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on: Feb 21, 2012, 12:40 PM
What good this "K+12" DepED curriculum do to us?

Just because other countries have 12 years of school before reaching college, ay gaya-gaya din ang ating gobyerno.

They don't even know what subjects shall be added para mapuno yung additional 2 years, kung ano-anong naiisip. Yung Science daw sa Grade III na ituturo?!?. My gush, sa private schools, pre-school palang tinuturo na yan!

Sana kung gusto ng gobyerno na competitive ang high school graduate natin, pagka-graduate ay dapat marunong na sa Economics, Calculus at higher Chemistry, hindi yung dagdagan ang oras ng P.E., values, Araling Panlipunan at "local languange" pa, para lang mapuno ang 12 years!

...STUPIDITY



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Reply #1 on: Feb 21, 2012, 12:48 PM
plus ang teacher to student ratio problems, classrooms problems,
books at school facilities (cr nga eh hindi maayos eh), ofcourse skills ng teacher na magtuturo..

dapat ba talaga unahin ang K-12 program na yan o ayusin muna ung mga existing na problema?


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Reply #2 on: Feb 21, 2012, 01:05 PM
ang nag-isip ata ng K+12 ay hindi nag-iisip!!!   >:(

like the pros and cons... like the cause and effect... ang objective lang ata is wag na magcollege at mag-work agad... ang tanong, me tatanggap ba sa mga company na high school grad?  dito nga sa company namin, bawal high school grad e... 2 years under-grad college minimum...

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Reply #3 on: Feb 21, 2012, 02:17 PM
gusto nila ng dagdag gastos sa ating mga Pinoy :D


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Reply #4 on: Feb 21, 2012, 10:50 PM
not really true. ako, pabor ako jan sa k+12  na yan. Since kitang kita ang epekto ng kawalan ng sapat na karunungan sa ating mga kabataan ngayon. why not add 2 years pa diba? di natin alam, baka yang extra 2 years na yan ang makakapag paangat sa pinas? :)

just saying


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Reply #5 on: Feb 21, 2012, 11:05 PM
may i ask how old are u & where have u been all these years?

sa current system nga e , kulelat na tayo sa ibang bansa. do u think first aid solution ang magdagdag ng extra years?
dont u think mas dapat nila unahin pagandahin & iimprove ang facilities, at ang turo sa mga skwelahan ngayon... at gawing sapat ang sweldo ng mga guro, among other issues? yan muna ang dapat atupagin nila.

sa kurakot napupunta yung ibang budget para sa edukasyon kaya d nila maiayos ang facilities etc... matagal na silang umaaray sa budget, etc...
would K+12 guarantee na magkakaroon ng sapat na facilities, manpower, etc?
dami nang tao na baon sa hirap at utang, dami na mga stujante na lumipat sa public from private schools.... may issues pa ng educational plans that went kapooof...
do u think implementing K+12 will reverse this trend? or will implementing it exacerbate the issues at hand?

they should address the current, decade-long issues first bago sila mag-implement ng 'reforms'

di natin alam, baka yang extra 2 years na yan ang makakapag paangat sa pinas?
sa panahon ngayon, wala ng oras para sa 'baka', 'malay', etc..
what we need are decisive & focused plans, solutions, actions.
« Last Edit: Feb 21, 2012, 11:09 PM by ferrariEverest »


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Reply #6 on: Feb 21, 2012, 11:11 PM
give it a chance, wag muna kontrahin. pag di umubra, ibalik sa dati.


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Reply #7 on: Feb 21, 2012, 11:11 PM
....fuel to the fire :D
http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/349141/deped-drops-science-pupils

Post Merge: Feb 21, 2012, 11:15 PM
give it a chance, wag muna kontrahin. pag di umubra, ibalik sa dati.
easier said than done.

dapat pag-usapan muna, wag i-railroad at shove it in our mouth type.

ang usaping ito ay hindi parang upuan na nilipat mo lang ng pwesto at madali mo maibabalik sa original na position anytime u want.
this issue is more like paglipat or pagpapagawa ng bahay... that is, hindi pwede biglain at dapat pinag-iisipang mabuti. madali ba maglipat/magpagawa ng bahay?
« Last Edit: Feb 21, 2012, 11:15 PM by ferrariEverest »


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Reply #8 on: Feb 21, 2012, 11:28 PM
21 po ako at andito po ako sa Pilipinas.

Nakikita ko nga pong kulelat tayo sa pag dating sa edukasyon. ang sakin lang eh pwede namang i try i implement ang k+12 na yan. Baka lang po kako, yan ang maka solve sa problema natin. And besides, Pinag aralan na naman siguro yan ng mga taong nagisip nyan sa DepEd. Di lang naman ang mga miron ang marunong mag isip at mag salita.

Gastos? Nag aral po ako ng halos walang gastos. public school po ako mula grade 1 to 4th year at nag self support nung college. determinado po kasi akong makatapos noon.

kung nuon pa madadagdagan pa ng 2 years, go ahead, kaya ko pa din makatapos. Pag determinado kasi ang tao magagawa at magagawa nya.

sige nga, anong excuse ng ibang tao?


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Reply #9 on: Feb 21, 2012, 11:44 PM
....fuel to the fire :D
http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/349141/deped-drops-science-pupils

Post Merge: Feb 21, 2012, 11:15 PM
easier said than done.

dapat pag-usapan muna, wag i-railroad at shove it in our mouth type.

ang usaping ito ay hindi parang upuan na nilipat mo lang ng pwesto at madali mo maibabalik sa original na position anytime u want.
this issue is more like paglipat or pagpapagawa ng bahay... that is, hindi pwede biglain at dapat pinag-iisipang mabuti. madali ba maglipat/magpagawa ng bahay?
well, matagal ko na yan naririnig, matagal na yang pinagusapan, pinagdebatehan sa academic community, matagal ng nagkapublic hearing ng maraming maraming beses sa ibat ibang sulok ng bansa, matagal ng diniscuss sa kongreso, at kailangan ulit ng public hearing/consultation bago yan naisabatas... at naextend/delay pa nga ata ang implementasyon para maipakalat ang impormasyon... kung nagulat ka pa at sabihin mong "biglaan", e ikaw lang nahuli sa balita... pag nagka-K+12, konti na lang ang mahuhuli sa balita. you can never, can tell -- until you try... :hihi:

lagi natin nadidinig, kailangan ng pagbabago sa pilipinas para umasenso. tapos pag may pagbabago, unang gagawin magrereklamo, magproprotesta.



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Reply #10 on: Feb 22, 2012, 12:10 AM
Gastos? Nag aral po ako ng halos walang gastos. public school po ako mula grade 1 to 4th year at nag self support nung college. determinado po kasi akong makatapos noon.
d naman lahat ng nasa gobyerno or DepEd ay pinakamatalino/pinakamagaling or mabuti ang hangarin para sa lahat.

mapalad ka at wala kang gastos masyado nung nag-aaral ka.
ang kaso, hindi ganyan ang sitwasyon ng karamihan sa atin.
sa tingin mo ba, sa libo libong mag-aaral, ikaw lang ang bukod tanging determinado?

tama yang pagiging determinado. pero may panahon na paligid o sitwasyon talaga or yung 'agos' yung kumokontra sayo... yan ang nangyayari dito satin.
posible ang pag-ahon para sa mga determinado, pero mas magaang sana ang pasanin kung walang kumokontra sa paligid... lalo na kung kapwa Pinoy yung gumagawa ng kontra-agos.

lagi natin nadidinig, kailangan ng pagbabago sa pilipinas para umasenso. tapos pag may pagbabago, unang gagawin magrereklamo, magproprotesta.
tama kayo sir, pagbabago ito. pero gaya ng sabi ko, hindi ito ang tipo ng 'reporma' na kailangan natin ngayon.

the government is barking at the wrong tree & trying to escape a hole by digging deeper, ika nga.
« Last Edit: Feb 22, 2012, 12:11 AM by ferrariEverest »


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Reply #11 on: Feb 22, 2012, 01:15 AM
give it a chance, wag muna kontrahin. pag di umubra, ibalik sa dati.

gagawin nilang trial and error, pera ko at time ng anak ko ang gagamitin nila para sa experiment nila!

kung plantsado na itong K+12, bakit may pino-propose sila na ituro sa grade 1 yung NATIVE DIALECT "reading & writing" and teaching English at Filipino language ay medyo later than usual ituturo. yan ba ang magbibigay sa atin ng edge sa other countries?!?

again...stupidity

 


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Reply #12 on: Feb 22, 2012, 03:57 AM
BAKET DI NA LANG INVESTMENT, & financial literacy, ang idagdag sa mga academic.

naka-K+12 ka nga baon ka nmn sa utang kc wala kang natutunan sa financial? school teaches us how to become employee..and how to work for money, and pay for credit card.

..pero nag iba na mundo, we need academic as well as financial literacy More financial literacy, ngaun kung ang ituturo nyo DEP ED  e Filipino English, PANITIKAN, and sandamukal na VALUES with none stop HISTORY, e parang nag repeater lang yung BATA  :thankyou: :thankyou:!!!!!

We need Investor from our own LAnd so tech those kids what they need...di ung gagaya nalang!!!!!

Post Merge: Feb 22, 2012, 03:59 AM
tinda nalang ako pizza..........

UU nga pala just to mention may teacher ako nung hayskul pro k+12, pero financially ruin sya dahil sa credit card,,,

and di sya nag iisa madami sila.......
« Last Edit: Feb 22, 2012, 04:04 AM by spidermannn »


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Reply #13 on: Feb 22, 2012, 06:04 AM
Maganda at nararapat lang patuparin ang K+12 na reporma sa ating sistema edukasyon.

Hindi lahat nakapagtapos ng Kolehiyo at kung HS graduate lang ang natamasa ng isang indibidwal ay mabigyan ng sapat na kaalaman at kakayanan na nauukol sa pangkasalukuyan industriya ng paggawa. Mabigyan ng bokasyonal na kurso na naayon sa kanyang kagustuhan para sa pagpasok niya mundo ng paggawa ay may sapat na siya kaalaman at kakayanan magtrabaho na.

Ako aminado, Ng ako ay nagtapos ng kolehiyo sa inheniyero maraming bagay ang di naituro ng pamantasan na nauukol sa mundo ng trabaho. Nagkakaroon ng mismatch at kakulangan sa kaalaman at kakayanan. Dapat bigyan natin ng sapat at gugol na panahon ang edukasyon sa layunin ng K+12 dahil  sa ayaw o gusto natin aminin - marami nagtapos ng kolehiyo na hilaw pa at di na naangkop sa pangdaidigan pamantayan na. Ang papel ng diploma ay wala saysay kung ito hindi kaya patunayan ng sa kanya personal na kaaalaman o kakayanan.
« Last Edit: Feb 22, 2012, 06:08 AM by nanashi »


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Reply #14 on: Feb 22, 2012, 08:11 AM
At the naysayers of K+12, I can't help but feel that sometimes our efforts at condemning could have been better spent in researching before we make conclusions. It is so easy to accuse na hindi pinag aralan ang isang programa. Has anybody given this as much study as its progenitors without the any taint of bias?

Aminado naman ang government that there are deficiencies in classrooms and teachers. In fact, kaya nga may RH Bill to address that. Even if you continue to build classrooms and hire teachers at our current CBR the costs of these additional expenses would take up much of the national budget.

As the government proposes, the program is the least disruptive to the current curriculum (12-year curriculum taught in 10 years), least expensive for the government and families, and in line with international practice.

please take time to read this:
http://www.deped.gov.ph/cpanel/uploads/issuanceImg/K12new.pdf

And I am assuming that there would be ones who would think to themselves that this document may be biased. You could see that there are several local and international studies that support the claim. I would take those over any single article written out of opinion that is far from being highly competent to understand the intricacies of the situation.

It is so easy to say "do this" or "do that", but we fail to realize that programs like this take so much effort to be able to counteract the inertia of what is convenient for the public. Since this opportunity has come to be within reach, it being a justifiable program at the very least, I say go!


 


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