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Why Did Yahweh Harden Pharaoh’s Heart?

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mannyron

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on: Jan 04, 2011, 06:39 AM
Exodus 7:1-5  NKJ Exodus 7:1 So the LORD said to Moses: "See, I have made you as God to Pharaoh, and Aaron your brother shall be your prophet.  2 "You shall speak all that I command you. And Aaron your brother shall speak to Pharaoh to send the children of Israel out of his land.  3 "And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply My signs and My wonders in the land of Egypt.  4 "But Pharaoh will not heed you, so that I may lay My hand on Egypt and bring My armies and My people, the children of Israel, out of the land of Egypt by great judgments.  5 "And the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD, when I stretch out My hand on Egypt and bring out the children of Israel from among them."
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Reply #1 on: Jan 29, 2011, 03:51 AM
Christians say the writers of the bible were inspired by god.  This is one of the passages in the bible that shows how psychotic some of the writers are.  These verses reflect the mindset of this particular writer.  He turned his supposed to be loving god into an evil god.


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Reply #2 on: Feb 02, 2011, 05:28 AM
‘The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction:
jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak;
a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser;
a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal,
pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously
malevolent bully.’ –Richard Dawkins


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Reply #3 on: Feb 05, 2011, 08:32 AM
Exodus 11:9-10   9 Then the LORD said to Moses, "Pharaoh will not listen to you, so that My wonders will be multiplied in the land of Egypt."  10 And Moses and Aaron performed all these wonders before Pharaoh; yet the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he did not let the sons of Israel go out of his land.

Exodus 12:29-30  29 Now it came about at midnight that the LORD struck all the first-born in the land of Egypt, from the first-born of Pharaoh who sat on his throne to the first-born of the captive who was in the dungeon, and all the first-born of cattle.  30 And Pharaoh arose in the night, he and all his servants and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt, for there was no home where there was not someone dead.


The writer of these verses reduced Yahweh into an evil maniacal bloodthirsty monster.



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Reply #4 on: Feb 11, 2011, 12:52 AM
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?  Then he is not all-powerful.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is evil himself.
Is he both able and willing?  Then where does evil come from?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" --Epicurus


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Reply #5 on: Feb 11, 2011, 04:32 AM
walang sumasagot sa iyo kasi mga cherrypickidian sila..iyong magagandang verses lang ang binabasa nila..LOL.
When properly read, the bible is the surest way to atheism..

Most people find the bible in fiction and myth section of the library...
Atheism you find in the philosophy section..


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Reply #6 on: Apr 18, 2011, 04:23 AM
God is love.  Yahweh loves to torture.


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Reply #7 on: Apr 18, 2011, 07:00 AM
another mere ingay from mannyron. :hihi:


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Reply #8 on: May 01, 2011, 05:00 AM
another mere ingay from mannyron.

I’m assuming you survived your nightly fear of death.
So why did Yahweh harden Pharaoh’s heart?


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Reply #9 on: May 04, 2011, 03:53 AM
@akoni
Everything is quiet.
Cricket chirping...


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Reply #10 on: May 04, 2011, 08:35 AM
kleng! klang! klang! klang!
a noise you've been looking for,,, peace!


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Reply #11 on: May 04, 2011, 10:52 PM
another mere ingay from mannyron.

What's the matter?
The holy spirit got your tongue tied.
Why did Yahweh harden Pharaoh’s heart?


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Reply #12 on: May 05, 2011, 12:08 AM
God in the old testament is strange. We are pawns to him. the case of pharaoh is but one arguments if God is really just and has respect for lives is a big question; for example he says do not Kill but if you look other text like this one:

Numbers 31:17-18 (King James Version)

 17-Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

 18-But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Whats this insanity??? God forbids man not to kill ! the 10 commandments says so! but Numbers verse 18 God orders to kill? Man woman and child! Dear God, what are you? you are forcing man to kill another! you are condemning them to hell by breaking your own LAW!

Why didnt God just send out a plague ang kill his enemies rather than letting his chosen people do the dirty work for him? isnt that more practical? no souls will be condemn to hell, just because he is God he can erase bad deeds they did for him. a crime is a crime but it seems in this scenario God can make excuses IF he wants it with Laws of his denied....parang Dictador "you do this because i said so!"

As for Pharaoh...lets just say he was a pawn to do God's bidding coz he fell for it  :hihi:
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Reply #13 on: May 05, 2011, 06:05 PM
special mention pala ako ni mannyron dito, malaki yata ang galit, hindi makatulog tong taong ito pag hindi nakabawi :hihi:

sigi na nga...

Why Did Yahweh Harden Pharaoh’s Heart?  (Exodus 7:1-5)

pero teka muna mannyron, unfair yata kasi pinapalabas mo lang ay ang   Exodus 7:1-5 stating that God hardened Pharaoh, what about the verses that also says that Pharaoh hardened his own heart....

Exodus 8:15; 8:32; 9:34.
15 But when Pharaoh saw that there was relief, he hardened his heart and would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the LORD had said.


problema talaga kung iyang verses mo lang sa itaas  ang ipapakita coz it will
cast doubt on God's goodness and moral self-consistency pero kung ipakita mo rin ang mga verses na ibinigay ko nang sa ganun mas lalong ma kumpleto at maintindihan ng mga nagbabasa.

it was Pharaoh talaga who hardened his heart at alam na nang at ne respeto nang Dios yan.

the writer(Israelites) also is not concerned about God's nature but rather in proclaiming His power over all nature.. What is important is to read Exodus according to its historical context.
« Last Edit: May 05, 2011, 06:10 PM by akoni »


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Reply #14 on: Mar 07, 2012, 08:37 AM
just because he is God he can erase bad deeds they did for him. a crime is a crime but it seems in this scenario God can make excuses IF he wants it with Laws of his denied....
God's ways are not our ways.
God gives life, so God can take life.
God separates the dirty from the pure (people).
God could have erased Earth right after Adam sinned...
It's like you had white paper, walang lukot, tapos nadumihan lang, gusto mo ng itapon nlng diba, at kumuha ng bagong papel.
But God let the people live...
We are all hell-bound already, because of original sin, only Jesus is our chance at Heaven.


 


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