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Haha, natawa ako sa question na ito.
Syempre puro NO ang sagot kasi napaka unprofessional naman ng avenue ng recruitment ang online forums...

There are certain techniques to proper inviting, presentation and follow-up. And if you do it right, kahit anong business pa yan, you can definitely sponsor people under you or get them to commit to buying products.

Everything is in the technique :)


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There are certain techniques to proper inviting, presentation and follow-up. And if you do it right, kahit anong business pa yan, you can definitely sponsor people under you or get them to commit to buying products.

Everything is in the technique :)

^Technique = exploiting the gullibility of a person to obtain one's own financial gain

Is everything about money nowadays?

Can we not earned a decent income to feed our family without causing undue financial pain to other people due to their ignorance or being too trustful? 

If a person can spend a lot of time and effort developing a technique in selling or marketing a scheme, I am sure the person is intelligent to distinguish bad behavior from a good one.  Can we not use our talent or skill to uplift our own positive moral personal development?


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^Technique = exploiting the gullibility of a person to obtain one's own financial gain

Is everything about money nowadays?

Can we not earned a decent income to feed our family without causing undue financial pain to other people due to their ignorance or being too trustful? 

If a person can spend a lot of time and effort developing a technique in selling or marketing a scheme, I am sure the person is intelligent to distinguish bad behavior from a good one.  Can we not use our talent or skill to uplift our own positive moral personal development?

Have you tried attending training on how to become a better sales person?

Sales kasi is a process of listening to your customer, and presenting the best product which will best help them. The best network marketers, financial advisors, sales persons know how to do this well - and because of that mataas ang production nila.

Meanwhile those na nag e-exploit or those na scammy talaga yung dating ay yung hindi rin naman yumayaman. Dahil yes makakaloko nga sila ng 1-2 people but after that wala na.

Ganyan naman sa lahat ng fields. Those who focus on developing actual skills yung umuunlad. :)


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Decent income.

Create a product that almost everyone uses. Like food or hygene or health.

Say only one percent of the population will buy your product per year. (modest speculation)

And you have a clean one peso mark-up per unit of the product.

So, 1% of 200M is 2 Million X 1 peso = 2 Million a year.

Now couple it with a sophisticated MLM Strategy. It Changes everything.  :watchuthink:


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mlm selling does not consider the cost of effort to sell. a salesman typically get both commission and fixed salary to sell. if product is difficult to sell, the more is the cut of the salesman.

mlm products which to my opinion are difficult to sell (otherwise the mlm company would have just build a brick and mortar store) and does not take in account value of human effort.  the fixed commission is small that you may need to work double to be able to get the sales quota to match current salary of typical employed. no effort, means no sales, means no commission.

this is where recruitment comes in. since it is not humanly possible to meet sales quota everytime due to market saturation, a bigger income can be obtained by recruitment pyramid style. money is literally created from thin air which is used to feed the pockets of uplines, who by themselves don’t sell at all (or barely). notice that success stories on mlm is mainly by recruitment, a.k.a building a team who keep on recruiting. it’s not the new guy who sells a million unit in one month. no no no. it’s the guy who managed to sweet talk most people into recruitment.


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^Technique = exploiting the gullibility of a person to obtain one's own financial gain

Is everything about money nowadays?

Can we not earned a decent income to feed our family without causing undue financial pain to other people due to their ignorance or being too trustful? 

notice that success stories on mlm is mainly by recruitment, a.k.a building a team who keep on recruiting. it’s not the new guy who sells a million unit in one month. no no no. it’s the guy who managed to sweet talk most people into recruitment.

True!
On the company I work for (Call Center), a co-worker got involved with MLM.
She recruited and recruited and recruited.
She got a lot of money!
After several weeks, almost all my co-workers would invite each other for "business".
No one is selling any products!
Everyone is recruiting!


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mas madali kang kumita sa recruit kesa selling!
kaya ayun!
recruit nalang sila ng recruit! :D


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mas madali kang kumita sa recruit kesa selling!
kaya ayun!
recruit nalang sila ng recruit! :D

How can you say na mas madali kumita thru recruitment? Have you personally tried it before?

Actually 3 SKILLS kasi ang dapat i-develop if someone wants to be a successful network marketer.
First is product sales, second is recruitment, third is training.
And in increasing difficulty yung skills na yan.

May nagsabi na dito that the top-earners are those who are able to build a team who can recruit...
Yan actually ang PINAKA mahirap na task (kaya yung mga nakakagawa nyan ay pinaka financially compensated rin).

Have you ever tried leading a group of people from different backgrounds, to promote a product/company WITHOUT a fixed salary? Napaka hirap kaya gawin nun. Loyalty cannot be bought over the long term, kaya only the leaders who are able to inspire, motivate and train their team din ang nakakakita ng big income sa MLM.

Conversely, EVEN IF you're the best recruiter or product sales person in MLM, pero hindi mo naman ma train yung team mo, then you'll still have a big (but limited income).

Think about this as a smaller scale franchising - Even if you have the best siomai/burgers/chickens in town - kapag hindi mo mareplicate yung system mo across different locations at a fast enough pace, your income will still be limited. :)


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thank you for proving my point about mlm. uplines with most recruit gets the bulk of money. and may i ask if you don’t have a problem with that?

well i do. perhaps you may not have studied economics but creating value out of thin air is a deliberate fraud. mlm products are just there to hide the true intention of the fraud which is to recruit and defraud people.
too many scams in mlm. we have seen this with our own eyes. too many bad apples means there is problem with the whole orchard of mlm. i hope you get the analogy.

don’t compare mlm with franchising. franchising has value in its products/services. mlm have very little to show for value in products other than the paid claims by actors. well, if i am the mlm company i would not invest in product development when my true intent is recruitment. 

good products sell itself. mlm will charge you to be able to sell a product that is hard to sell. double jeopardy. so there is really very little income from products. recruitment is the only way to recoup your joining fee and by so doing you defraud others, and the defrauded will defraud others as well and so on goes the ponzi.

yes one can be rich by mlm recruitment but can you take in your morals to defraud others? maybe the answer is yes.


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thank you for proving my point about mlm. uplines with most recruit gets the bulk of money. and may i ask if you don’t have a problem with that?

well i do. perhaps you may not have studied economics but creating value out of thin air is a deliberate fraud. mlm products are just there to hide the true intention of the fraud which is to recruit and defraud people.
too many scams in mlm. we have seen this with our own eyes. too many bad apples means there is problem with the whole orchard of mlm. i hope you get the analogy.

don’t compare mlm with franchising. franchising has value in its products/services. mlm have very little to show for value in products other than the paid claims by actors. well, if i am the mlm company i would not invest in product development when my true intent is recruitment. 

good products sell itself. mlm will charge you to be able to sell a product that is hard to sell. double jeopardy. so there is really very little income from products. recruitment is the only way to recoup your joining fee and by so doing you defraud others, and the defrauded will defraud others as well and so on goes the ponzi.

yes one can be rich by mlm recruitment but can you take in your morals to defraud others? maybe the answer is yes.

I think our point of conflict is that you no longer distinguish between good MLMs and bad mlm companies.

Good MLM companies are those that invest in their products. Yung may mga matinong R&D Departments that continually produce new products to offer in their respective markets. (One example I can think of here is NuSkin - as all their products have independent third party researches done. And you can see their products evolve na dati their products were mostly of topical treatments, then now they are into Gene/DNA manipulation with their AgeLOC line). - I'm not a distributor of NuSkin here, but a customer kaya alam ko ito. (I'm also a customer of their competitor USANA, for their supplements)

Bad MLM companies naman are those who put up 'pseudo' products, yung tipong para masabing may product lang. Ito yung mga nakikiuso tulad ng barley, coffee eklat, or generic products na sold at outrageously high prices. I'm sure you're very familiar with these kinds of companies...

Ang point lang naman dito is that you distinguish which companies offer REAL value.

Eventually din naman kasi yung mga companies na walang value na inooffer, they collapse within the first 5 years. (Kaya nga I don't recommend any company that hasn't exceeded 5 years in age.) Also, this article may help on how to choose an MLM company:

>> gameofwealthonline.com/honest-guide-if-network-marketing/

So yun lang, don't generalize  :D


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How can you say na mas madali kumita thru recruitment? Have you personally tried it before?

We don't need to try to make an observation.
Me mga mata naman tayo.  Me utak so we can do the math.
Like what I said (on my experience), the recruiter made a lot of money.
And the recruiters who followed her also made a lot of money.
You can see this on their Facebook posts.  You will see their new "sports car" (Probably worth more than 500k).
Like I said...  No one is selling.
They are all recruiting!
Why?  The money is in recruitment!
Again!  Call Center!  My starting salary is 12,500 pesos.  Now I believe the starting at my company is 14,000 pesos.
That means you will get 6k-8k every cutoff (kinsenas).
Would you buy a food supplement (60 -100 tablets) for 2 thousand pesos?
No!   Libo kami sa call center.  Ang nakikita ko lang na umiinom ng food supplement ay yung mga sumali sa MLM (d kasi mabenta kaya sila na umiinom).
Walang nagbebenta kasi alam ng lahat hindi mabebenta!
More than 5 years ako sa call center.  Halos every week me nagre-recruit, WALA as in WALA akong nakitang nag-alok ng products!
(You can sell if your target market is outside the call center industry, yung mga yayamanin.)

One of the reasons why I don't like MLM is how you make money.
Remove the product and what do you get?  CLUE:  P_____ding.
Base sa obserbasyon ko, since walang nagbebenta, anong silbi ng produkto?  Front dba?
"product-based" pyramiding!


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Base sa obserbasyon ko, since walang nagbebenta, anong silbi ng produkto?  Front dba?
"product-based" pyramiding!

^Quite true indeed!

Sweet talkers causes a lot of pain in the wallet.......... there are a lot of gullible persons walking around looking for quick fixes in their lives.


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Yes, kasi ito ay income opportunity. MLM is good basta gagawin ng tama ang business. Marami na ang nag-succeed sa ganitong industry. Kaya lng nag mumukhang hindi maganda ang MLM ay dahil sa maling paraan ng pag gawa ng business. If sa product nag-invest ang client and self development hindi mahirap na makapag-invite ng downlines. The real product of MLM is the people who excel in promoting their selves and products. Hindi ung basta maka-invite at makapag pay-in is pwede na. :) -> http://junborgonos.blogspot.com
« Last Edit: Jun 16, 2015, 04:14 PM by junborgonos »


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I think our point of conflict is that you no longer distinguish between good MLMs and bad mlm companies.

Good MLM companies are those that invest in their products. Yung may mga matinong R&D Departments that continually produce new products to offer in their respective markets. (One example I can think of here is NuSkin - as all their products have independent third party researches done. And you can see their products evolve na dati their products were mostly of topical treatments, then now they are into Gene/DNA manipulation with their AgeLOC line). - I'm not a distributor of NuSkin here, but a customer kaya alam ko ito. (I'm also a customer of their competitor USANA, for their supplements)

Bad MLM companies naman are those who put up 'pseudo' products, yung tipong para masabing may product lang. Ito yung mga nakikiuso tulad ng barley, coffee eklat, or generic products na sold at outrageously high prices. I'm sure you're very familiar with these kinds of companies...

Ang point lang naman dito is that you distinguish which companies offer REAL value.

Eventually din naman kasi yung mga companies na walang value na inooffer, they collapse within the first 5 years. (Kaya nga I don't recommend any company that hasn't exceeded 5 years in age.) Also, this article may help on how to choose an MLM company:

>> gameofwealthonline.com/honest-guide-if-network-marketing/

So yun lang, don't generalize  :D

all mlms with recruitment is bad mlm. now that leaves less than 1% of all mlms. that’s how i discriminate.
if there is a good product, the worst way to distribute is by mlm/pyramiding. it will make ur product look cheap and fake. good product sells itself. no need for pyramid recruitment.

besides i would not buy a p200 soap what i can buy for p50 of a known and tested brand.


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Well mlm is a marketing strategy used by the company.
Not taking all the money from the customer but also providing additional income for those members as well which is beneficial.


 


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