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We should respect each other's belief.  Each would have their reason for the way they think.  What really irks me are people(both religious and athiest) who try to bad mouth other beliefs in the hope of rationalizing their own.

I myself am a casual catholic.

But let's use history, and I have posted this query on and on in this forum for years.

What society or civilization in our thousands of years of history, has flourished as an atheist society?  With no belief in a God or gods, or ancestral spirit worship?  One with no temples of worship?

And this, I post as a truly curious enthusiast of history. 

None I think, unless there's an ancient civilization several million years ago that vanished for whatever reason!
Even if you wipe out everything and start all over again we would still create god/gods/deities.
It is human to create deities.
I read an article before on how they are necessary to fill in the gaps in knowledge.
To be a temporary answer to questions beyond the understanding of a young civilization.
Perhaps it would happen one day if we evolve.

About bad mouthing,they do that especially if the belief is something you consider wrong.
Bad thing is, they just bad-mouth!  They should state their reasons why they are against the belief or non-belief.
Take the case of ISIS or Boko Haram.
How many of us state our disgust to those who follow their way?
How many nations condemn their acts?
They are just following their beliefs.
Why?   Why are we not respecting their beliefs?
Are their beliefs unacceptable for us?
Perhaps they are asking the same questions.
- Why?  Why are those nations find it hard to understand that women should not be educated?
- Why? Why are those people do not believe that you can rape your slaves?
« Last Edit: Dec 20, 2014, 09:49 AM by Market_Market »


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http://dailycurrant.com/2014/07/29/radical-atheists-kill-29-in-middle-east-suicide-bombing/


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@MM
I respect your opinion. We may be both atheists, but still differ in beliefs. (me, pantheist)
You choose to act. I choose to live at peace.
I hope you find fulfillment in what you do.
Ironically, I wish you a merry Christmas. hehe   :hihi:

@RP
The moment our ancestors stopped hunting and learned to raise crops, they learned religion.

Religion has greatly affected history. Both in a good way and a bad.
I'm also curious, what if there is no religion, would we still be those spear slinging cavemen like our ancestors?

Having religion is good. It helped a lot of people and molded them as it is today.
And it also has its bad effects. It has its own piece of mishaps along the way.
Maybe that's the reason for the atheism revolution.
Humans are evolving in reason. Maybe its time to try living in a society free from it.


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pare pareho lang. mlahat ng religion may rogue, may renegade, may radical. pati atheist ganun din.

lahat ng religion may radicals, quiet, madaldal, preach preach, pati atheist ganun din.

Marami akong kakilalang atheists. Tahimik lang sila. They dont bad mouth. They dont have faith and they kep it their own.

Marami din akong kakilalang Christians. Some quiet lang. Some mahilig mag debate, some mahilig mangconvert

Bahala na kayo kung saan kayo nakacategorize.

Last post ko na to here. Peace out.

*ill just copy and paste this in case humaba ang thread para maging visible. LOL


Footnote :
First Church of Atheism.
http://firstchurchofatheism.com/
May simbahan na din pala sila.
Define church. LOL  (para tax free? bwahaha)

O, palakihan pa..
http://www.salon.com/2013/09/22/atheism_starts_its_megachurch_is_it_a_religion_now/

Sabi nga e, pare pareho lang.
« Last Edit: Dec 20, 2014, 10:20 AM by GoodSteward »


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I'm curious...what do atheists do in their churches if they don't worship anything?



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Just as I thought. Just like in the other forums. Said my piece. Time to jump out. Sad.


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I'm curious...what do atheists do in their churches if they don't worship anything?


they dont have church p0


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@RP
The moment our ancestors stopped hunting and learned to raise crops, they learned religion.

Religion has greatly affected history. Both in a good way and a bad.
I'm also curious, what if there is no religion, would we still be those spear slinging cavemen like our ancestors?

Having religion is good. It helped a lot of people and molded them as it is today.
And it also has its bad effects. It has its own piece of mishaps along the way.
Maybe that's the reason for the atheism revolution.
Humans are evolving in reason. Maybe its time to try living in a society free from it.

It's true, some religions, especially the catholic church, has lost much of its power and influence.  But some are gaining strength and numbers, like islam and charismatics...In fact, there are some studies that show that countries like France and others in Europe will eventually be dominantly muslim in the near future due to their migration laws.

But I think there has been numerous atheism revolutions in the past.  What happened to all the societies they have established?  Why do they no longer exist?



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But I think there has been numerous atheism revolutions in the past.  What happened to all the societies they have established?  Why do they no longer exist?

They were killed by their theist neighbors and were put in the theists holy book as bad people that got punishment from the theists god.
The atheist society tried to reason with their neighboring theist country, unfortunately, the neighboring theist country can't be reason with as they believed that they were chosen by their god to claim the land of the atheist society.  Hence the massacre.
(Fictional story by Market_Market)


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@MM
I respect your opinion. We may be both atheists, but still differ in beliefs. (me, pantheist)
You choose to act. I choose to live at peace.
I hope you find fulfillment in what you do.
Ironically, I wish you a merry Christmas. hehe   :hihi:

Thank you Jayumaster!  I also respect your opinion.

This is the first time I became aware of Pantheism.

Wikipedia:
Pantheism is the belief that the universe (or nature as the totality of everything) is identical with divinity,[1] or that everything composes an all-encompassing, immanent God.[2] Pantheists thus do not believe in a distinct personal or anthropomorphic god.[3] Some Eastern religions are considered to be pantheistically inclined.

I apologize but I do not understand Pantheism.  Can you find it in your heart to explain it to me in words that I can understand?

Also, MERRY CHRISTMAS and a HAPPY NEW YEAR!


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d0 atheists believe in miracle? how do they explain the unexplainable? maexplain sana ni sir tulogsapancitan, curious lng din ak0 sa thinking ng mga atheist. sa believers kasi, pag di maexplain, credit is given to God (stage 4 cancer patients surviving or bigla gumaling)..
« Last Edit: Dec 21, 2014, 10:51 AM by lowije_dapogs »


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d0 atheists believe in miracle? how do they explain the unexplainable? maexplain sana ni sir tulogsapancitan, curious lng din ak0 sa thinking ng mga atheist. sa believers kasi, pag di maexplain, credit is given to God (stage 4 cancer patients surviving or bigla gumaling)..

hi lowije_dapogs. first of all merry krismas nga pala sa lahat. i'm an atheist but i do believe in the solidarity in tradition and culture. christmas in PH is more tradition now than a religious exercise.

i try to answer the best i can. miracles don't exist. everything has a scientific explanation. science being continuous search for knowledge and answers. in fact, when a thing is discovered, it will surely give birth to more questions prompting more searching. this is how we have built our current scientific knowledge.

i acknowledge that there are many hard questions that science have not yet answered, like how does life began or what really transpired during the beginning of the universe (or what is the best build for a particular dota hero) . these are hard questions indeed but the scientific world is working on it. for me, it is cowardly just to invoke a deity as an answer to those "mysteries" that science is facing now. i would rather side to those who are doing hard work, research and reasoning to come up with scientific explanation of things which can be replicated, experimented and proven logically.

miracles are just product of inadequate thinking. say you bring a cave man from thousand of years ago to this present time. he will surely rationalize that our celpone, computers and other stuff are miraculous. he is forgiven when this cave man claim as such due to the inadequacy of science in his time. but apply that to our present day man and it will sound ridiculous. hence, for me miracle is ridiculous and is just a product of inadequate thinking. thus now, we don't see epileptics being hanged as we have understood adequately this disease and we now know it is not caused by evil spirits.


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They were killed by their theist neighbors and were put in the theists holy book as bad people that got punishment from the theists god.
The atheist society tried to reason with their neighboring theist country, unfortunately, the neighboring theist country can't be reason with as they believed that they were chosen by their god to claim the land of the atheist society.  Hence the massacre.
(Fictional story by Market_Market)

Would it be possible that they eventually convert?  There are no records (that I know of) of atheist civilizations that have been killed off.  But many civilizations that were ASSIMILATED.

What do you think? 


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Would it be possible that they eventually convert?  There are no records (that I know of) of atheist civilizations that have been killed off.  But many civilizations that were ASSIMILATED.

What do you think? 

"Convert or die".
Hmm, what would an intelligent and reasonable person do?
Ever heard of Isis?  On how they put to death those that won't convert.
In my fictional story, the atheist civilization was destroyed by the conquering theist civilization.
Do we write in "Filipino" or do we write in Baybayin?

I'm consider myself 95% atheist.  If someone would barge into my house and force me at gun point to at accept his GOD and religion then I would.  Practicing it is another story.
« Last Edit: Dec 22, 2014, 10:02 AM by Market_Market »


 


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