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How much is your trading capital?

below Php50,000
Php50,000 - Php100,000
Php100,001 - Php500,000
Php500,001 - Php1,000,000
more than Php1,000,000

INDO

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on: Feb 07, 2014, 02:53 AM
wala lang magawa kaya naisip ko lang mag survey :P



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Reply #1 on: Feb 08, 2014, 09:19 AM
Actually maganda to.

Kasi a lot of theories or strategies involve buying and holding at one time or another. In actual practice, ang hirap, because our capital is limited so the theory or strategy becomes almost impossible to apply.

Say bumaba market so you buy some stocks, then bumaba pa but the stock inherent value is still good, paano ka na buy if you already ran out of capital. On the other hand, if you think dapat may reserve ka lagi for buying, when do you even use it for buying?

In short hindi ma maximize ang gain na indicated by your theories or strategies. Usually nagiging limited ang upside but not the DOWNside!



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Reply #2 on: Feb 08, 2014, 09:39 AM
oo nga... dami nga akong sinayang na opportunity dahil limited yung capital ko :(

may time na gustong gusto ko ng magdagdag kaso wala na capital eh, tapos ayun ilang araw lang kitang kita na sana :(



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Reply #3 on: Feb 08, 2014, 10:42 AM
Totoo yan.. kaya goal ko now dapat makaipon ng cash na 10m para madali na maglaro.  :rakenrol:

Bakit di po kayo sir nag lagay ng mas malaking amount? I think baka meron pa dito naglalaro ng more than 10m. :hihi: baka sila sir wills, bauer et al.


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Reply #4 on: Feb 08, 2014, 11:59 AM

Bakit di po kayo sir nag lagay ng mas malaking amount? I think baka meron pa dito naglalaro ng more than 10m. :hihi: baka sila sir wills, bauer et al.

di ko naisip yon palibhasa maliit lang capital ko  :hihi: :hihi:

di na pala pwede ma-modify yung choices, modify ko sana  :harhar:


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Reply #5 on: Feb 08, 2014, 12:34 PM
Paalala lang.... walang nakakaalam kung ano ang kinabukasan ng stock market. Hindi natin alam kung bukas ba ay dirediretso na pataas o bababa pa, kaya kayo nanghihinayang ay dahil yung bukas ay nakikita niyo pagkaraan ng ilang araw at dahil doon ay madaling gumawa ng conclusion, ang paggawa ng conclusion na ang basehan ay ang kahapon ay malapit sa o tiyak na kapahamakan at magdudulot lamang ito ng walang katapusang panghihinayang at sakit ng ulo.

Kung ikaw ay masaya sa pagbili mo ng stock ngayon dahil naniniwala ka na mura ito.... dapat lamang na ikaw ay makontento na sapagkat sa desisyon mo na iyan ay covered na ang downside. Ano ibigsabihin?  Stock "AAA" na binili mo sa halagang 2 pesos, binili mo ito dahil naniniwala ka na ito ay 4 pesos ang halaga. <---- base sa ganyang desisyon ang downside mo ay protektado dahil alam mo na sa 2 pesos pa lang ay tiyak na kikita kana(that is if you know the word patience). Kung ito ay lalo pang bumaba sa 2 pesos problema na ng ibang tao iyon at ikaw ay labas na sa problema na iyan. Ikaw ay walang problema sa pagbaba ng presyo sapagkat ayun sa iyong pagkakaintindi ang presyo ni stock "AAA" ay apat na piso ang halaga. Sino ngayon ang mga taong may problema kay stock "AAA"? yun ang mga taong hindi nakakaalam ng tunay na value ni stock "AAA" kaya karapatan nilang magpanic at wala kana dun, hindi mo na dapat isipin pa yun.

Alam nating lahat na walang nakakaalam ng bukas, kaya kung nadiskubre mo na si stock "AAA" at sigurado ka ng mura at sigurado ka na kikita ka, tanungin mo ang iyong sarili bakit ka pa magwander at magtira ng kapital sa ibang stocks na walang kasiguraduhan gayung itong nasa harap mo na si stock "AAA" ay 100% na tiyak o sigurado na ang kinabukasan. Sa stock market ang pangalan ng laro ay labanan ng kasiguraduhan. Kapag makahanap ka na ng siguradong stock, wala ng ibang tamang gawin kundi itaya ang lahat(bet heavily with high certainty) at matutong magantay.
« Last Edit: Feb 08, 2014, 01:09 PM by Wills »


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Reply #6 on: Feb 08, 2014, 07:11 PM
All in based on your research? Risky?

What if there is a disaster in the company operation (PX?) ? What if the govt decides that it should roll back its product's price (MWC?) How about taxes increased/decreased on its products (Sin Tax? Cement import tax?) International dispute (PXP?) Or any other unexpected events?

Is diversity out the window? Put all your eggs in one basket? All in.


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Reply #7 on: Feb 08, 2014, 11:50 PM
oo nga... dami nga akong sinayang na opportunity dahil limited yung capital ko :(

may time na gustong gusto ko ng magdagdag kaso wala na capital eh, tapos ayun ilang araw lang kitang kita na sana :(

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Maliit man or malaki ang capital a loss is a loss,a gain is a gain. Sa huli lang naman natin nakikita yung panghihinayang. Minsan naexperience ko na blessing in disguise pa yung wala ka na buying power. Maliit lang ang percentage loss. I've read a book of elder alexander about the old myth regarding the size of capital in trading, my point din naman siya IMO lang.


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Reply #8 on: Feb 09, 2014, 12:05 AM
@wilch

Your question has an assumption already. Ano bang klaseng tanong yan?

Of course you don't buy stock and hold without monitoring.

Why hold a stock if you think it has lost its value?


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« Last Edit: Feb 09, 2014, 12:07 AM by Wills »


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Reply #9 on: Feb 09, 2014, 12:41 AM
Paalala lang.... 


Alam nating lahat na walang nakakaalam ng bukas, kaya kung nadiskubre mo na si stock "AAA" at sigurado ka ng mura at sigurado ka na kikita ka, tanungin mo ang iyong sarili bakit ka pa magwander at magtira ng kapital sa ibang stocks na walang kasiguraduhan gayung itong nasa harap mo na si stock "AAA" ay 100% na tiyak o sigurado na ang kinabukasan. Sa stock market ang pangalan ng laro ay labanan ng kasiguraduhan. Kapag makahanap ka na ng siguradong stock, wala ng ibang tamang gawin kundi itaya ang lahat(bet heavily with high certainty) at matutong magantay.

Medyo nalilito ako dito ah... yung nakaBOLD na statement mo sir wills, magkasalungat ang dating sa akin  :watchuthink:

...i will never go 100% sa iisang stock, sa akin lang naman.
« Last Edit: Feb 09, 2014, 12:43 AM by INDO »


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Reply #10 on: Feb 09, 2014, 06:00 AM
^Ang ibig sabihin lang niyan ay hindi natin alam kung bababa pa ang presyo o tataas in the short term kaya iputok mo na baril mo kung meron ka ng nakitang sigurado, gusto ng lahat pagbumili ng stock wag na bumaba ang price ang gusto diretso na pataas at yan ang expectation ng lahat and that is the reason why we can't pull the trigger. Hindi ba pwedeng mamahinga muna ang presyo sa baba bago magtuloy tuloy paitaas? bawal ba iyon? yung value ba ng stock mo bababa kapag bumaba ang presyo sa merkado?

Kapag ba bumaba ang presyo ng GLO at TEL kumpara sa kanyang fair value doon sa merkado ang ibig sabihin ba noon ay mawawalan na ng gana ang mga tao na magtext, magtawagan at gumamit ng mobile internet? ano sa palagay mo?

If you are 100% sure na ang stock mo ay hindi malulugi at sure ka na magiging dominant ito balang araw sa kanyang industriya bilhin mo na! natural lamang sa short run pwede pang bumaba ang price pero definitely pagwala na ang alikabok makikita ng lahat ang value ng stock mo.

Don't gauge your success in picking stocks through markets short term pricing, ano sila masmarunong pa sa iyo ??? If that's the case at admitted ka na masmarunong pa sila sa iyo aba'y dapat mag mutual fund ka na lang. Hindi ba parang ang hirap noon? yung tipong pagbili mo ng stocks sabay tanong sa katabi kung tama ba desisyon mo, tapos pagyung katabi mo bumili ng kaparehong stock sa masmababang halaga nagpapanic ka dahil baka nagkamali ka o kaya naman naiinggit ka na sana ganun din kababa ang pagkabili mo. Pati sa stock market may inggitero? :hihi:

Ang hirap naman nun kung ganyan paulit ulit ang nararamdaman mo wala ka ng peace of mind. Palaging ba talagang magbabago ang isip mo sa tuwing nagbabago ang presyo sa stock market? wala na ba talagang katapusan ang dilemma?

Bro INDO discussion lamang ito, hindi ko tinutulak ang aking pananaw. Nangbubulabog lang ng kaisipan para maslalo tayong lahat maging sharp, sino pa ba magtutulungan kundi tayo tayo rin mga pinoy.
« Last Edit: Feb 09, 2014, 07:14 AM by Wills »


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Reply #11 on: Feb 09, 2014, 01:10 PM
Agree ako sau,Sir Wills


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Reply #12 on: Feb 10, 2014, 09:26 AM
huwaw buti pa dito sarap magbasa di tulad sa news walang kwenta(yung ibang news lang naman :D)  anyway, agree ako kay sir wills kelngan pa ba imemeroize yan eh preho ata tlga magisip lahat ng VI diba :D sample pustahan sa NBA, pde ka pumili ng 5 player pde ding umulit,kahit galing sa anong era pde, sino pipiliin mo?  ako simple lang 5 jordan :D
hindi natin kaya ipanalo lahat ng bets natin, darating tlga yung time na kahit ubusin mo na lahat ng brain cells mo, sh*t happens, kung every motnh naman merong salary hindi ito issue kasi sure na every month merong pangtopup :D minsan tlga may biglaang sale kaso wala kang pambili, ibig sabihin hindi iyon para sa yo  mamigay ka muna sa iba :p kung hindi ka kumportable na wlang cash palagi ka magiwan ng pang emergency sale pero minsan magagamit at magagamit mo iyon, kunyari mmya piso nalang ang TEL magtitira ka pa ba ng cash sa port mo? :D wag na kayong malungkot normal lang na magkamali, ang mahalaga matuto at wag na ulitin  :rakenrol:


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Reply #13 on: Feb 10, 2014, 10:24 AM
Pati sa stock market may inggitero? :hihi:

When you are getting 30% returns then you know someone who is getting 40%-50%++ returns, there is a tendency to abandon our sound investing approach in order to imitate the one with the greater gains despite how risky his methods may be.
Was guilty of this and maybe I still am. :D


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Reply #14 on: Feb 10, 2014, 12:16 PM
^you know your post reminded me of what Munger said to most investors, he said most investors do foolish things in stock market because they are not contented with 12% compounded annual return.

Lemreyes magingat ka sa kwento ng iba maaaring one side lang ng story ang nakikita mo.

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Compounding your returns from dividend and stock appreciation and sitting in a company that wisely compounds their earnings requires another set of skill.


 


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