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Hi madlang PMT  Pasensya na medyo ata't lang nagrereview ulit ako ng Bible. Sabi kasi ng iba ito daw ay isa sa pinakamagandang business dahil laway lang ang puhunan. Nasaad din sa bible na magingat sa mga nagpapanggap na propeta. Saan ba napupunta ang perang nakokolekta kada misa o meetings meron bang nakakaalam ng breakdown. Talagang bang 10% na kinikita mo ay dapat ipagkaloob mo sa diyos ito kasi ang turo ng mga financial adviser at ibang entreprenuer like kiyosaki? Sa mabuting paraan ba napupunta ang nalilikom na salapi o meron din hindi naisisiwalat sa katulad ko. Isa akong katoliko I believe in God of course and even Jesus Christ. katulad din sa mga pari sa iglesia ni kristo naman may mga salary/allowance o kung ano pa man tawag nila sa natatanggap ng mga mataas na namumuno dun. Ang duda ko lang kasi dito kung ang mga pari ba/misyonaryo etc etc eh mabubuti ang ginagawa sa likod ng puting kasuotan. Marami na rin pari at religous leaders nasangkot sa kung ano anong kontrobersya, pinagdedebatehang bible,diyos, religion...Kaya minsan nakakagulo na lang basta kung ano lang yung nasa puso ko at payo sakin ng mga magulang ko at nabasa ko sa bible sinusunod ko na lang. =)


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dba nabalita minsan, yung ibang pari/obispo may magagarang sasakyan tapos yung iba ata may perang invested sa stockmarket? :D

mahirap talaga ngayon, hindi mo alam kung ano totoo.

kaya ako, mula nung bata pako, d ako nagbibigay ng donasyon sa simbahan. matagal nako d nagsisimba. saka i prefer magdonate direkta sa charity/institution, or kaya magvolunteer na lang.
(yung ibang charitable institution, d rin natin alam kung may bogus din).


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Nabalitaan ko dati ng invest sila sa Philex..

Napansin ko din yan,I graduated from a christian school,and yung mga bishop namin,anlalaki ng mga bahay nila.Actually di bahay yun e,more of a mansion..Saka ang mga kotse,luxury pa talaga...Natanong ko rin sa sarili ko e kung they were called to leave everything and serve,pero bakit ganun,parang mas maluho pa sila


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parang Ponzi scheme na rin ang simbahan e. ginagamit nila ang religion para 'manakop' gaya ng mga Kastila :D


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Nabalitaan ko dati ng invest sila sa Philex..

Napansin ko din yan,I graduated from a christian school,and yung mga bishop namin,anlalaki ng mga bahay nila.Actually di bahay yun e,more of a mansion..Saka ang mga kotse,luxury pa talaga...Natanong ko rin sa sarili ko e kung they were called to leave everything and serve,pero bakit ganun,parang mas maluho pa sila
totoo ba yan sir? sabi pinakamayaman daw na religous group is Iglesia ni Kristo pati mga leader nito
« Last Edit: Nov 15, 2011, 03:16 PM by george88 »


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check nyo po ito

Church condemns mining but owns shares in Philex

http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/insideNews.htm?f=2011/may/24/news1.isx&d=2011/may/24

Catholic Church has billions invested in BPI, Philex, San Miguel

http://www.pinoymoneytalk.com/church-philippines-rich-wealth-stocks/


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ang nanay ko, lagi ineencourage mga batang lalaki sa amin na mag-pari.. para daw yumaman, kasi sayo lahat ng abuloy... :hihi:


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ang nanay ko, lagi ineencourage mga batang lalaki sa amin na mag-pari.. para daw yumaman, kasi sayo lahat ng abuloy... :hihi:
waaaa... paano yun eh isa sa turo ni Bo sanchez ginagawa ko 30% of your income take away para yung 10% tithing and 20% for investment...So what should I do now hindi ko na ba ifofollow yun basta ibigay ko lang kung magkano ang gusto ko ganun na lang>?


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nasa sayo naman kung magkano ang ibibigay mo or kung kanino., basta bukal sa loob. i used to do that too, pero ngayon di na ko sa simbahan nagbibigay. medyo nakita ko kasi naging maluho din yung parish priest namin nung mga nakaraang taon.. tapos nadismaya ako lalo nung lumabas ung controversy noon about the SUVs ng mga pari... right now dinivert ko na lang sa mga foundations ang donation ko (world vision dati, ngayon unicef naman)... ganun pa rin naman, it comes back tenfold, so i suppose di naman nagalit ang diyos sa akin... :D


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its a wrong notion that priest had a lot of money, its other way around, walang pasahod ang simbahan(Catholic Churc) sa kanila, libre lang sila sa mga gamit like personal hygiene at pagkain pero pera pangtabi wala ang mga iyan. kung may nakita kang Pari o Bishop na mayaman tiyak bago siya naging pari o Bishop ay mayaman na dati ang angkan nila, but hindi sila yumaman dahil sa pagka pari o pagiging Bishop nila.

secondly, Catholic Church doesnt obliged her members to donate 10%, nasa iyo lang yan kung magkano ibigay mo according sa kaya mo.

Pajero Bishop? hindi totoo yon,  gawa-gawang kwento lang yon ng chairman ng pagcor,inamin nya yon sa harap ng senador at laking kahihiyan ang inabot niya. second hand na sasakyan(hindi pajejro) yes but lahat yon dumaan sa standrd procedure imposed by the government to grant those vehicles at lahat yon may kaakibat na tungkulin hindi binigay yon na walang kaakibat ng gagawin ng simbahan para sa mga tao.


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^e yung bishop na nanghingi kay gma ng bagong sasakyan as birthday gift? para sa mga tao rin ba yun? pupunta sya sa mga liblib na lugar kung saan ang mga tao ay ni hindi makabili ng tsinelas, dun nya ginamit ung sasakyan para mabisita sila... tama ba? tsk, martir pa pala dapat na ituring si bishop. my bad.


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huag naman sanang e-single out ang catholic church, marami din naman na religious sect are also in business and investment alike! :watchuthink:


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sa dati kong trabaho merong regular mass every friday. minsan nagpaikot ng sobre sa department namin e wala pa kaming 6 na nagbigay... nagtanong ung babaeng nagcocoordinate baka may gusto pa raw magbigay. kasi, P1000 daw ang minimum ni father, ung nakokolekta sa mass di rin naman daw umaabot ng P500... take note, sundo't hatid sya ng catholic group sa office namin, libre lunch, etc... at si father ilang misa ang ginagawa outside his parish everyday, so, do the mass este math pala...

di ko naman nilalahat, may ilan din naman na busilak ang kalooban, im sure.


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tama ka dyan!  :applause:
GOD BLESS YOU!


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@ vicces did you read what's inside the letter of the Bishop? yes its true may nilagay siya na birthday gift sa kanya but not the way you think tha t He's gonna use it for his personal use. the diocese will use it para mapaabot yong mga tulong o mensahe nang gobyerno na gustong ipaabot sa mga liblib at mga lugar na kung saan maraming rebelde, I lived in mindanao Vicces, the only bridge between government and NPA's or other rebel group is the Catholic church, no other sect that has the guts to mediate between those group.



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sa dati kong trabaho merong regular mass every friday. minsan nagpaikot ng sobre sa department namin e wala pa kaming 6 na nagbigay... nagtanong ung babaeng nagcocoordinate baka may gusto pa raw magbigay. kasi, P1000 daw ang minimum ni father, ung nakokolekta sa mass di rin naman daw umaabot ng P500... take note, sundo't hatid sya ng catholic group sa office namin, libre lunch, etc... at si father ilang misa ang ginagawa outside his parish everyday, so, do the mass este math pala...

di ko naman nilalahat, may ilan din naman na busilak ang kalooban, im sure.

K let's do the math vicces, what is 1000 pesos vicces versus 10% imposed by the other sect on each member, and who said that 1000? is that from the mouth of the priest or sa babae lang kasi gusto nyang malaki ang maibigay nya sa simbahan at hindi atleast nakakahiya ang grupong pinag misahan sa pari. then ito pa ang tanong... para sa pari personal consumption ang pera o sa buong diocese??

ang mali kung yong pera is for personal consumption ng pari.ang perang iyan ay bumabalik din sa mga parokyano.
« Last Edit: Nov 15, 2011, 05:33 PM by akoni »


 


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