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I thought Marquez won it convincingly

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akshay

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on: Nov 13, 2011, 11:13 PM
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Reply #1 on: Nov 14, 2011, 12:03 AM
I lot of people did. There were rounds where Pacquiao won, rounds where it was shaky and Marquez convincingly won a couple as well. But if I were to look at the entire fight, my vote would still go for Pacquiao. Marquez did one hell of a job though.


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Reply #2 on: Nov 14, 2011, 04:15 AM
Kung sa tingin ko ibinigay panalo kay marquez di rin ako convince na sya panalo.Pwede pa tabla na naman,dahil champion si pacquiao dapat manalo sya convincingly.e halos parehas lang.si manny pa rin ang aggressive.Di lang sanay mga tao na di bugbog sarado kalaban ni pacquiao gusto lagi blackeye.matibay talaga si marquez pero di sapat yung counter nya para sya tanghaling panalo.IMHO


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Reply #3 on: Nov 14, 2011, 05:27 AM
yan ang advantage ng champion.  dumaan din naman si pacman sa ganyan nung challenger palang siya.  lahat ng champion binugbog at pinatumba niya. 





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Reply #4 on: Nov 14, 2011, 07:58 AM
Niluto ang decision. I think it's quite obvious. Marquez is the better fighter yesterday, mga suntok niya on the dot. Pero pag pa paramihan ng suntok sa hangin panalo syempre si Pacman. Do they count those too? Hehehe

Pacman is not himself yesterday. Looks slow, tense & somewhat frustrated He can't get his game going. Marquez is defintely the toughest opponent He ever faced. Hirap talaga siya apg yun ang kalaban.

116-112 on a scorecard is a give away of what just happened yesterday in a dying game that will soon be overshadowed by UFC type fights.


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Reply #5 on: Nov 14, 2011, 09:31 AM
Ikaw ang challenger ikaw sumugod bakit champion pa pinapasugod mo kung wlang susugod wlang boxing mga kalbo suntukan ito hindi abangan walang ginawa yung marquez kung hindi umatras at magabang walang pinagkaiba kay clottey at delahoya...kung titignan nyo mabuti si pacquaio wala sa condition ung mga pisngi nya masyadong lubog na parang puyat or watever at mas malaki pa katawan ni marquez kung titignan...at nakakatatlong laban na sila kahit solid tama ni marquez kay pacquaio hindi nya kayang patumbahin...Expected kasi ng mga tao TKO si marquez lolz mga businessman pa naman tayong taga PMT so never expect hindi naman kayo ang lumalaban eh...It was a good fight not a great fight hindi na boxing ang focus ni pacquaio ngayon pagtulong na sa mga tao like Bill Gates doing pera pera na lang ang laban nya ngayon abangan nyo na lang yung kay mayweather alam ko last 2 fights na lang ata sya then magreretire na ang pambansang kamao... =)  :boxing:
« Last Edit: Nov 14, 2011, 10:12 AM by george88 »


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Reply #6 on: Nov 14, 2011, 01:04 PM
pede nga sya manalo, pero sa nilaro nya, di yun pedeng pang-agaw ng title. mas lalong di convincing na maging welterweight champ or pound for pound king, kung nakalmot mo lang ang champion. dahil di naman kinuha ni pacman yon ng pa-puchu-puchu lang, super convincing ang pagkuha nya nun.


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Reply #7 on: Nov 14, 2011, 01:20 PM
Merong isang talent show (I forgot kung ano yun) para madethrone ang defending champion,you need to get a higher score...If there is a tie, the champion will still be considered  the winner because you need to best the champion and not equal to become the champion..

Meron din naman akong nabasa,it was proven na mas mdami ngang naconnect na suntok si MP,yun nga lang kung titignan,parang mas malakas ang mga  naland ni JMM...


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Reply #8 on: Nov 14, 2011, 02:32 PM
dapt next match me sudden death after 12 rounds. kung sino una bumagsak, talo. :)
mp and jmm gave their best and fortunately the 3 people whos opinion counts the most were more impressed by mp's performance. they were given the bestseats, the best views, and it is what it is. jmm made manny look bad with his counterpunching but he didn't beat him.


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Reply #9 on: Nov 14, 2011, 02:52 PM
I just saw some interviews with Pac's corner and they say that he won it clearly.

But then during the fight after each round they told him he was losing and b4 the final round they said to him he had to KO Marquez to win.

Wish people would just be honest. At least they can say it was a very close fight.  :bahalaka:


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Reply #10 on: Nov 14, 2011, 03:29 PM
I just saw some interviews with Pac's corner and they say that he won it clearly.

But then during the fight after each round they told him he was losing and b4 the final round they said to him he had to KO Marquez to win.

Wish people would just be honest. At least they can say it was a very close fight.  :bahalaka:
Pinupush lang nila si Pacquiao iTKO si Marquez dahil yun ang inaantay at inaabangan ng tao..kaya akala din ni pacquaio talo sya kita nyo naman after 12 rounds hindi sya nagtaas ng kamay pareho lang sila may maga at galos ang mukha, solid man ang tama ni marquez kay pacquaio it consider 1 point  :boxing:. Walang ginawa si magrquez kundi magabang action ang boxing hindi pelikula..Bakit kaya ganyan nung unang fight na draw ang laban pero ilang beses naknockdown si marquez at tabla ang resulta sabi si pacquaio nanalo ngayon nanalo si pacquaio na hindi napabagsak si marquez dapat si marquez daw nanalo...Bakit ganun?  :watchuthink:
« Last Edit: Nov 14, 2011, 03:32 PM by george88 »


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Reply #11 on: Nov 14, 2011, 03:35 PM
ito post ng friend ko sa FB:

Why Manny won:

In a 10-point system, the boxer who wins a round is given 10 points, and the other boxer gets 9 points. (10-9). If there was a knockdown in the round (10-8).
2 Knockdowns (10-7)
If a Judge can't decide who won the round, it is scored 10-10. Now if you are the challenger, you must be the aggressor (Pacquiao vs Cotto) in a very close rounds the Champion gets 10. For example if Pacquiao would just stay still and Marquez does not Attack, Pacquiao get 10 and Marquez 9. In this case Manny(Champion) was always Aggressive while Marquez (Challenger) waits for an attack and counters.
Marquez's body language fooled a lot of people. Making people feel that he was the winner or at least it was a draw. It may look like he was landing more punches but the tricky part here is he was on the Defensive, luring Pacquiao into his tactical TRAPS ( remember the challenger must be the one who is aggressive to be awarded 10). So even if Marquez did connect more punches, he gets only 9 for being Defensive and Manny gets 10 for being the ATTACKER.
Pacquiao got more "10" than Marquez. Manny wins. -Rene Araneta








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Reply #12 on: Nov 14, 2011, 04:04 PM
i remember that first major boxing title fight ni manny against chatchai sasakul, thailands own "people's champ", it was held in thailand. manny was the challenger then and it was obvious that manny was going to lose that fight, dahil home advantage and palitan lang ng suntok ang nangyari and lagi sya nakokorner.. until came the 8th round one-punch knockout.  same story when he beat marco barrera via an 11th round knockout. kung di nya na-knockout, malamang talo sya dun. he was the challenger in these fights, and he brought the game to the title holder, he was relentless and chased his opponent everytime. sya ang may gustong makuha, kaya sya ang sumusugod.

if we also look back at the first pacquiao-marquez fight, si pacquiao din ang challenger noon, si marquez ang title holder. 3x na knockout si marquez, but nabalewala yun dahil nasurvive ni marquez at umabot din sa scorecard ang desisyon. again, since si marquez ang titleholder, di nakuha ni pacquiao ang title from him and we settled for a draw.

ngayong baliktad na. si marquez ang may gustong patunayan, so the burden was on him to get that decisive victory. even he has acknowledged that, kaya nga ang press release nya iti-TKO nga daw nya si manny pero di nangyari. fortunately, manny has that unwritten privilege to cash in on his stature as the pound for pound king. And he has earned that privilege too, so he managed a narrow escape.

Kung sa basketball, a game can be won by relying more on your defense, in boxing that’s not the case esp if you are the challenger. You have to put yourself out there, you stand toe-to-toe with your opponent. Yan ang ginagawa ni manny sa bawat laban nya for the past 16(?) years, kaya talagang exciting and very sweet ang victory lagi. But those were the days, bago sya naka-kolekta ng 8 titles from different divisions and naging bilyonaryo.


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Reply #13 on: Nov 14, 2011, 04:37 PM
Oh ayan gaganda ng mga explanation so sa mga mexicanong luhaan at gusto matalo si pacquaio o kaya naglalaro sa isip nila na si marquez dapat nanalo dahil nakita nila mga solid na tama ni marquez kesa mga mabibilis na combo ni pacquaio bahala na kayo...Accept defeat and MOVE ON...


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Reply #14 on: Nov 14, 2011, 04:38 PM
My opinion is the better fighter on the night deserves the win.

I dont think previous accomplishments should come into play, the scoreboard starts at 0-0 in round 1. Every fight is a new challenge.

How can we tell a guy what kind of strategy he should use? It's clear if Marquez played into Pacman's strategy he would lose. Its already hard enough to fight the P4P king, how can there be even more disadvantage by asking him to even abandon his gameplan and start aggressing.

The truth is, Marquez came up with a masterful gameplan, lured Pacquaio in, and controlled the fight. At the end Pac usually raises his hands but this time he just went to the corner with his head down knowing he was bested on the night.

Marquez attacked more in the first 2 fights and still lost even though many people feel he won. So this time he came with a new and brilliant gameplan, and still he loses. This would've been his career highlight yet it was not to be.

Just my opinion.


 


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