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Reply #15 on: Apr 27, 2011, 07:37 PM
May minimum placement ba?   May lock in period ba?  How about projected returns?

Parang managed account nga siguro lalabas?  Kasi di naman siguro 1:1 ang client at traders, kaya lalabas ONE trader will make the trades for SEVERAL clients?

Sana maging mas transparent sa results ng trading ng bawat trader?



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Reply #16 on: Apr 27, 2011, 07:54 PM
RP,

careful about the 13B bragging rights of citisec for PCG.  check out the list of most active stock broker by VALUE.  i do not see them anywhere near the top! 

If someone will tell you some stories that are not closer to the truth, i will DOUBT EVERYTHING the story teller will share.

Post Merge: Apr 27, 2011, 07:16 PM
kung san miguel nga nahirapan makakuha ng 300 billion dollars (13.2 B in pesos) in equity share sale, paano naman ang citisec?  broker lang sila with limited market penetration reach.

Ay, my mistake, COL has a TOTAL investment portfolio of P13.7B in investments, and only P3.5B in PCG, with only about 150 PCG clients so far.

And yes, there is a minimum of P5M.


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Reply #17 on: Apr 28, 2011, 04:18 PM
rp,

try to check COL's financial statement and compare their data of 13.7B and 3.5B in PCG so you will know the real score.

Post Merge: Apr 28, 2011, 04:20 PM
i believe most stock brokers do not submit a very good financial report
(talking about this matter, the PSE demands a good report from publicly listed firms but in their own backyard, the brokers, frequently IGNORE good financial report practices).

whew, no wonder stock trading in the philippines always remain a laggard.
« Last Edit: Apr 28, 2011, 04:20 PM by bauer »


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Reply #18 on: May 05, 2011, 09:17 PM
yes ur right, if they can give us good returns... why not... its worth the charge. so how much would be the initial investment for PCG, is there any other requirements, thanks!


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Reply #19 on: May 06, 2011, 11:42 AM
Bakit po ba interesado kayong mag invest ng minimum 5M sa private client group na nag manage ng pera nyo ay isang stock broker?

marami naman pong mga bangko na marunong sa management ng equity funds.  Di po ba mas lower ang risk kung bangko ang hahawak ng equity fund nyo?

tingnan nyo po ang mga global players.  karamihan subsidiary ng mga higanteng bangko ang nag handle ng equity funds ng mga investors


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Reply #20 on: May 06, 2011, 02:39 PM
bauer, can you kindly refer a bank or banks that are good at managing equity funds?  Actually, tinitignan ko rin ang mga banko na pwedeng mag manage ng equities ko.

Medyo sigurista kasi ako.  I do intend to invest through PCG at their minimum amount ONLY.  Then, find other companies to manage my other funds.  

I am uncomfortable investing too much of my hard earned money into just one private bank, like they do in the US.  And so, I prefer to tap many wealth mangement departments of different banks and stock brokerages.

 

Post Merge: May 06, 2011, 02:43 PM
I like making these companies compete with each other...and if their recommendations are the same, then it is easier to decide on what funds to buy. If they differ from each other, then you can pit one against the other.

BTW, once I get my equity accounts running, I will post them here so you guys can both benefit and criticize their decisions.
« Last Edit: May 06, 2011, 03:12 PM by richpulubi »


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Reply #21 on: May 07, 2011, 11:24 PM
rp,

do you have a safety net on PCG of citisec?  i'm really concern with their financial strenght.  high tech na sila sa stocks trading pero kung ang controls nila ay hindi high tech baka magkaroon ng "flash" trades tulad sa amerika.  kung mangyari ito, baka hindi kayanin ng capital nila.  eh wala pa naman PDIC-like ang local stock brokers natin unlike sa ibang bansa.

nag invest ako sa bpi global equity thinking na magaling sila.  i was dissappointed. pm na lang tayo. 

Post Merge: May 07, 2011, 11:25 PM
nga pala,  paglalabanin mo ang mga investment managers sa pagalingan ng returns?  di ba ang hawak nila ay capital mo?  di kaya ikaw lang ang may risk?
« Last Edit: May 07, 2011, 11:25 PM by bauer »


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Reply #22 on: May 08, 2011, 12:00 PM


richpulubi,

This thread is very interesting to me, I'm in the same situation as you are.


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Reply #23 on: May 08, 2011, 12:20 PM
rp,

do you have a safety net on PCG of citisec?  i'm really concern with their financial strenght.  high tech na sila sa stocks trading pero kung ang controls nila ay hindi high tech baka magkaroon ng "flash" trades tulad sa amerika.  kung mangyari ito, baka hindi kayanin ng capital nila.  eh wala pa naman PDIC-like ang local stock brokers natin unlike sa ibang bansa.

nag invest ako sa bpi global equity thinking na magaling sila.  i was dissappointed. pm na lang tayo. 

Post Merge: May 07, 2011, 11:25 PM
nga pala,  paglalabanin mo ang mga investment managers sa pagalingan ng returns?  di ba ang hawak nila ay capital mo?  di kaya ikaw lang ang may risk?

bauer, I think you do much better than these fund managers.  I've observed it in the past few months when I compare your recommendations with the head fund managers of FOUR of the biggest banks...who I was in direct contact with by phone and email.  You read the market right, and they were all wrong.  Unfortunately...I listened to THEM.

Nevertheless, I didn't lose any money, and actually made some.   But I would've made more money...if I listened to your advice.

Your question about them holding my money and they having no risk.  It's the same when you trade on your own, di ba?  But the managers and owners of the company whose stock you bought hold the cards.

Why not try opening your own fund?  I'd certainly buy!

 

Post Merge: May 08, 2011, 12:21 PM

richpulubi,

This thread is very interesting to me, I'm in the same situation as you are.

Welcome, nelson!  Can you share about your present situation so we may be able to help each other?
« Last Edit: May 08, 2011, 12:21 PM by richpulubi »


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Reply #24 on: May 08, 2011, 09:04 PM
nice info RIch.... I asked before kaso nung sinabi 5M minimum di ko na tinuloy since wala ako pera. You can make on your own research naman and hold it for long. Somehow yung dalawang pick ko is halos same lang ng intrinsic value. You can compute naman like Buffett style. Its low risk in a sense you are basing on its cash flow. I do watch nalang if may big changes sa company that will affect the price in a long term


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Reply #25 on: May 08, 2011, 09:14 PM
ahock,

Thanks, also you see, it's part of my long term plans.  These expert fund managers will continually defend their decisions to me, and for me, it is the best way to learn the ropes.  I intend to stay with these companies only if I'm happy with their performance, or only until the time I'm comfortable to do it on my own. 



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Reply #26 on: May 11, 2011, 04:17 PM
yellowminded,

Well, you've made me feel better...I guess, for the sake of politeness...let's just call it 'tsismis'.

BTW, the 'tsismis' so far is still Lepanto, that it will continue to rise until September...up to P2.00 DAW.  So, let's see...


Sir RP, I guess the tsismis was true!!! :)


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Reply #27 on: May 20, 2011, 10:19 AM
Magandang araw sa lahat.  Bago lang ako dito sa PMT pero para sa akin, pagdating sa mga "stock advice" o management, wala pa ring tatalo sa sariling sikap.  Oo, mahirap pag simula pero ganun naman lahat ng bagay.  Mas gusto ko kung ako yung gagawa ng desisyun.  Kung mali, de mali.  Walanag sisihan.  Kung hindi ko naiintindihan de hindi papasok o mag-aaral. 

Halos 20 taon na din ako sa nag-tra-trade at lahat na ng paliwanag narinig ko kung bakit umakyat o bumaba ang isang stock.  Masarap nga makinig o magbasa ng mga reports ng iba-ibang broker pero dapat sa atin ang desisyon.  Tignan natin kung ok itong grupong ito. 



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Reply #28 on: May 23, 2011, 11:14 AM
yellowminded, so, did you buy Lepanto?

Talley, does our market finally behave like a real stock market?  No more manipulation from the 'good old boys' or friends of malacanang?



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Reply #29 on: May 27, 2011, 05:26 PM
magandang araw bat sabi ng citisec wag daw bili sa lepanto??


 


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