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Re: Benefits of alkaline water

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dinaren

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« Last Edit: Aug 20, 2009, 09:34 PM by dinaren »


junapos

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you still dont get the point...


http://www.prevmedctr.org/


dinaren

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 :D
I got it, crystal clear. Now after all the facts were presented here with matching links and "assumptions" it is till up to the consumers to decide what's best for them. Im just here to remind everyone (yup that includes you), to be INFORMED of the facts surrounding a 'product' before indulging in it. Nasa huli palagi ang pagsisisi.

Have you noticed why the swine flu vaccine takes lot of time before it goes out of the market inspite of the urgency of the situation? Its because it undergoes clinical trials and safety tests first before it can finally be released in the market. Safety should not be compromised in favor of convenience. What im saying is if you're not sure of the product, then better leave it alone, otherwise, you'll just be part of the "experiment".

So for now, yun lang muna. And to the people here who would like to continue with their "business", good luck na lang po. Just be responsible. What is a few profit compared to the lives you might endanger.  :help:


mangben

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Well junapos and dinaren...

Pareho kayong tama sa mga tinuran ninyo.
Only probably, nagkaiba lang ng konti ang inyong views and points.

But anyway, I'm sure, what you're after is to inform the public,
and help them to be more knowledgeable.

Kanya-kanyang views talaga...
even the scientists don't exactly agree with each other pagdating sa huli.

Anyway, there's no harm in drinking alkaline water, as I said
Wag lang to the extreme, meaning drinking those with high pH value.

It helps, much easier to drink the water,
kesa naman umasa ka sa alkaline na makukuha
sa mga organically grown fruits and vegetables.

So, we just put it to rest, bahala na ang madla
kung pipiliin nila ang uminom ng alkaline water o purified distilled water.

Thanks to dinaren for being well informed.
Also salamat din kay junapos sa kanyang well research na mga pananaw.


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« Last Edit: Nov 08, 2009, 07:47 PM by dinaren »


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I've never thought there was a saying like that.. Thanks for sharing! Now I know why some medical practitioners are doing the best they can to save their livelihood, sickness business. I would like to share also a saying that "The mind is like a parachute, it is best when it is open"  :D

Sure! I think I could answer your thousand-fold questions, hope you could answer mine as well.

* you presented the number of adr's (adverse reactions)only of what particular drug? can you please be specific.. (lets say if its an antineoplastic, analgesic, or cardiovascular drug. which one?)
- I would like to. I presented an abstract of this research to give you an idea that adverse reactions are worth researching and can't be overlooked. I'll look for more detailed research.

* You didnt even cared to mention the number of lives or symptoms these drugs already saved or alleviated for the same period (1998-2005)
-because the research is entitled "incidence of adverse drug reactions in hospitalized patients: a meta-analysis of prospective studies", it would be out of its scope and delimitation.

* My friend while it may be true that these drugs presented adr's there had been millions or even billions treated by the mainstream medicines you are referring to.
- Could you give me a scienifc basis or proofs, such as research, that these mainstream medicines had actually cured millions or billions?

*YOu should come up with a statistics about the benefits of the drugs you are referring first and from there, you do the comparative study. Only then you can draw conclusions.
- It seems you did not also do a comparative study as well, that's why you are also asking me to do it for you. Thus, you have not concluded that these "mainstream medicines had actually cured millions or billions".

* Remember for each drug the benefit should outweigh the risk. So lets say if a cancer patient had these adr's in order to save his life, so be it. The ultimate goal is TO save LIFE.
- The risks of medicines despite proper usage can also be fatal. I have a different ultimate goal that is TO save LIFE with LEAST SIDE EFFECTS.

* Im sure before a patient receives his/her medicine it is sop that there should be an informed consent.
- That's the ideal. Im not sure about that in current practice.

*At the end of the day, statistically there are still more people treated with cancer today than in the old times wherein having a cancer means a death sentence already.
- Yet there are still patients who died in their treatment of cancer using chemotherapy and radiation. (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/11/13/2418640.htm). Chemotherapy, surgery and radiation did not stop cancer or else cancer would not be in the leading cause of deaths. (http://www.doh.gov.ph/node/1489). Thus we should not stop researching, exploring and studying alternative ways in curing cancer. Doctors can suggest or prescribed their treatment, however if the patient is capable, he or she should be the one to decide the treatment of his or her choice and whether to continue them or not. Because no one is more liable to his health, than himself.

*you mentioned only one case of uti which you "treated" with alkaline water, and you draw your conclusion from that one case?? where's the objectivity in that?
- Please read again the third paragraph of my previous post. I said, "But what convinced me is when i witnessed the curing effects of alkaline water to the people who drank alkaline water. One of the many incidents is a lady with a severe case of Uti,." I was convinced because of the various testimonies of the curative effects of alkaline water, in which most of them I became a witness. I indicated one of them.

* about the bubonic plaque, it is now sporadic as you noticed it is confined only to "undeveloped" places which means that science barely reached these places yet.
- Since it came from you that bubonic plague is sporadic you have refuted your own statement "Heard of bubonic plague that wiped out 1/3 of the population of europe before? now its completely eradicated"

*Understandably you cannot see it in developed countries where science flourished into a full bloom.
- The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reports that there are 10 to 15 cases of bubonic plague in the United States each year. - U.S. is a developed country where science flourished into a full bloom, however U.S. CDC CAN see that there are still cases of bubonic plague in their area.

* My point is without modern medicine how many more people could have died in that era? without these vaccines such as polio, bcg, tetanus, measles, rubella, influenza, how many percent of population could have further succumbed to once 'incurable' diseases?  
- In 1990, the Journal of the American Medical Association had an article on measles which stated " Although more than 95% of school-aged children in the US are vaccinated against measles, large measles outbreaks continue to occur in schools and most cases in this setting occur among previously vaccinated children." (JAMA, 21/11/90) (http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web2.html)

* Nowadays Can you just treat it with alkaline water?
- Why not? It would be much better if it is accompanied with good nutrition, living in a safe environment, and change into a better lifestyle.

 * as regards "doctors error" the term iatrogenic is so broad can you be specific with it? and how in earth could infections in hospital be attributed to doctor's error. Its not like the doctor himself intentionally infected this patients. Imo its beyond doctors' control
- iatrogenic is induced inadvertently by a physician or surgeon or by medical treatment or diagnostic procedures (Merriam-Webster). True, doctors did not intend to infect their patients, unintentionally they did. But, I want you to notice the 106,000 deaths per year caused by non-error, negative effects of drugs. These drugs were safely given to the right patients, yet it caused a great number of deaths.

* and so..these so-called mainstream medicines in the market have been around for some time already so continuous research was done in order to ensure the safety of the ones using it and also to continuously improve the product. Yes these researches could be expensive but no amount of money could equal the importance of saving lives especially if it is our loved ones.
-True, no amount of money could equal the importance of saving lives especially our loved ones. But the problem is there are people who has insufficient funds for drugs and treatment despite their insurmountabe desire to save their loved ones' lives. One of my goals is to find more cost-effective treatment in curing diseases. That's one of the reasons why I'm planning to pursue alternative medicine.

*At least these mainstream medicines were subjected to the most rigid experiments and studies imaginable to man. That's why they came out with these ADR's which was also incidentally mostly reported by doctors, nurses and scientists because HoneSTY matters in their business.
- The problem is when you study a symptom of a patient, is it caused by the course of the disease or the ADRs of synthetic drugs. Since honesty matters in their business, are they honest enough to to tell their patients the side effects of each drug they prescribed? Are they honest enough to tell the relatives of a deceased patient that he might have died from the drugs they prescribed or administered? Are they honest enough to tell the actual cure, telling them not to undergo unneccessary diagnostic exams, nor prescribing unnecessary drugs in which side effects generates income for the health professionals?

*Now going back to alkaline water. We understand that this is a relatively new product so there's not much research  done yet as regards this. YOu yourslef can do  a study its not that expensive even college students can do it. YOu can even have sponsors like the dost and bfad. Then you can release some journals revealing the results of your study and be accepted in the maistream. Who knows, in the course of your study you may stumble upon some adr's of alkaline water and try to improve your product (ADR's are discovered in years of using a product). That way, you will appear as legit and business will flourish.
- I do plan to conduct a research about alkaline water. A research was already made by a group of medicine students from a college in Pampanga according to an acquaintance of mine. They compared different alternative methods in curing cancer, and they've found out that alkaline water is the most effective. Patients showed no typical chemotherapeutic side effects, while undergoing alkaline treatment. I'm trying to get a contact from them to get a copy of their research. I know a person who has not only been drinking alkaline water, but living an alkaline lifestyle. Since 1986, he was never admitted in the hospital, nor consulted a doctor, nor took any synthetic drug. According to him, side effects of alkaline water is becoming a healthier and happier person.

*My whole point is, before we do this to human beings, can we at least do it first to the guinea pigs and rats?
- People who are promoting this alkaline water are those who have experienced the health benefits. Since they were cured, they wanted to share the information of alkaline water to their friends and relatives who are undergoing the same condition or worse. The alkaline water I've been using has already been approved by FDA. So it is guinea pig and rat-friendly :)


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« Last Edit: Nov 10, 2009, 11:24 PM by dinaren »


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The pH level or the acid - alkaline measurement of our internal fluids affects every cell in our bodies. These will just show how important the role of alkaline in our body. Generally speaking, our proper health starts with the correct acid-alkaline balance in your body.
« Last Edit: Oct 23, 2010, 02:39 PM by yeshadette21 »


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Other sources of vegetables that are rich in alkaline are a good substitute for a pricey alkaline water :b_peace:


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There has been much discussion over the past few years about the quality of the water we drink and the effects that this may have on our health. Alkaline water also is said to be better at hydrating the body because it penetrates cells more effectively.


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Alkaline water also is said to be better at hydrating the body because it penetrates cells more effectively.

oh really? how is that so?

and again what is the difference in eating cheaper vegetables and fruits from drinking "pricey" alkaline water?


tops5450

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. Alkaline water also is said to be better at hydrating the body because it penetrates cells more effectively.

Is this not a placebo effect :book:


 


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