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SirZap

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Reply #15 on: Aug 19, 2009, 02:22 AM
I am suppose to buy alkaline water for my own consumption for the simple reason that I am acidic.
then I read this thread and got confused  :scratch:


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Reply #16 on: Aug 19, 2009, 04:22 AM

I am suppose to buy alkaline water for my own consumption for the simple reason that I am acidic.


exactly my point. as mr sirzap said he wants to drink alkaline water because he is "acidic". Maybe what he means is "hyperacidic" which pertains only to the stomach. Being "hyperacidic" or having gastritis due to excess production of acid in the stomach or injury in the stomach linings doesnt mean everything else outside the stomach is also acidic na rin including your blood and other body fluids. That condition is confined only in the stomach.

My point is, It is understandable to drink alkaline water with such condition like hyperacidity (even so, you also need to know how much alkaline is entering your system). IMO it is still better to drink medicines (like antacids) at least you know exactly how much the dosage of alkaline is entering your body. Unlike alkaline water (with ph of 7.5-9), wherein we supposedly use it as "water"? wow! You know liquid sosa? It is also alkaline and it's poisonous!

So once and for all, for normal people like us, do we still need to drink alkaline water? Do we have to mess up the normal biochemistry of our body? :cool2:


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Reply #17 on: Aug 19, 2009, 11:49 AM
@ dinaren, ok just to make it clear, yes indeed our body's natural ph is 7.4, neutral state (neither acidic nor alkaline). the big question is, does our body able to maintain the neutral state? As I oftenly say, modern diet and the toxic world around us tends to create clutter in the blood and diminish the blood's ability to carry nutrients. This inefficient state of the blood will inevitably result in the body becoming more acidic to try to speed the nutrient flow to vital organs. Our desire to be healthy is not just to be in the neutral state but more on the alkaline side (higher than 7.4 and up to 9). its not being too alkaline, its just being 70% alkaline and 30% acidic. You said that if we have too much acid in our system, our body also has natural ways of getting rid of excess acid. If that is true, then various diseases such as arthritis, gout, hypertension, diabetes, ulcer, cancer, etc.. will not exist. But why do we experience it?, its because our bodies could not maintain its alkaline state anymore. Burdened na sya kaya dapat we should help our bodies become alkaline for it to fight these diseases caused by acidity. You can search it for yourself in the net, google it (body ph) and you will have clear a understanding of that fact that being alkaline is the way to good health. :cool2:


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Reply #18 on: Aug 19, 2009, 04:25 PM
i still leave you the benefit of the doubt but overwhelming facts points that alkalinization of the body is just as detrimental to our health as acidification of our body. try reading this:
http://www.merck.com/mmpe/sec12/ch157/ch157d.html

also the diseases that you mentioned are not caused by too much acid and couldn't be treated by alkalinization either except for ulcer maybe

i "googled" them and here are the results:

hypertension- it is the increase in blood pressure caused by hardening of arteries, or some hormonal problems, 90% have still no known cause, they are usually hereditary. they are NOT caused by acids.

arthritis- is a degenerative condition of the joints due to wear and tear, they are NOT caused by acids

gout- caused by excess uric acid because the body fails to metabolize it. Again it is caused by uric acid ONLY and not by all the other acids that are useful in our body which are "eliminated" by your alkaline water. If you want to eliminate uric acid then why not treat it with a drug specific for uric acid only?

diabetes- is caused by lack or insufficient amount of insulin, sometimes its hereditary NOT caused by acid.

ulcer- is not entirely caused by hyperacidity, sometimes its caused by a tumor in stomach, its also may be caused by smoking and some harmful medicines which could damage the natural protection of its linings.

cancer- it's caused by oxidants and carcinogens(in fact only a few are acids and there are alkaline carcinogens too), it could also be hereditary, and sometimes by radiation. it is NOT entirely caused by acid.

my point is, if we have certain diseases like mentioned above, why dont we instead target the "offending agents" only and not the entire acid of the body which some of them are proven to be beneficial to our system.

me as an ordinary deciphering consumer, just asking lang naman. no offense meant really


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Reply #19 on: Aug 19, 2009, 05:39 PM
well, i respect your opinion. anybody is entitled to it. from my own personal experience, i got sick, terribly sick that i had to resign from my job. i tried all kinds of traditional medicines, yet to no avail. a friend introduced me to alkaline water. guess what? it cured me. and im living an alkaline diet ever since. im a living testimony to it. as a parting words to you my friend so that you will be enlightened, all sickness is caused by too much acid in our body...

here are some helpful articles:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/213268/unbalanced_ph_levels_in_your_body_how.html?cat=51
http://ezinearticles.com/?How-Body-pH-Can-Affect-Your-Energy-Levels&id=4670
http://www.naturalhealthschool.com/acid-alkaline.html
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Reply #20 on: Aug 19, 2009, 05:56 PM
junaphos: "all sickness is caused by too much acid in the body"

what i can say to that statement: ^its purely hearsay, unproven, no scientific and supporting evidences/studies from reputed organizations, and totally inaccurate.. that statement is only a hypothesis. Besides, if i really wanted alkaline diet, i'll just pick some vegetables in my backyard it could also give me some essential vitamins and minerals, plus the added antioxidants and anti-carcinogenic factors, and fibers, that are not found in alkaline water. ANd its also cheaper. :cool2:

nuff said. peace
« Last Edit: Aug 19, 2009, 06:02 PM by dinaren »


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Reply #21 on: Aug 19, 2009, 07:17 PM
here are additional articles to help you be enlightened more...some of it are based on real life experience, contrary to what you are defending which i say is purely theoritical. i dunno where is your information coming from. maybe ur a dealer of a certain soda company that sells acidic beverages? (just joking)


here are additional articles to help you be enlightened more:

http://www.alkalife.com/page.php?&cms=article&articleid=22
http://showbizandstyle.inquirer.net/lifestyle/lifestyle/view/20090213-189226/Alkaline-water-for-better-health

as i oftenly say, just keep an open mind. i am a living testimony of the wonder of alkaline water and diet. you can't refute that.  :watchuthink:


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Reply #22 on: Aug 19, 2009, 09:43 PM
« Last Edit: Aug 19, 2009, 10:02 PM by dinaren »


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Reply #23 on: Aug 19, 2009, 09:59 PM

drinking alkaline water helps our bodies to achieve that alkaline state which is 7.5 to 9.


here are some of the text in medscape (ill just paste it here for your 'enlightenment'):
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Mortality/Morbidity
Severe metabolic alkalosis (ie, blood pH >7.55) is a serious medical problem. Mortality rates have been reported as 45% in patients with an arterial blood pH of 7.55 and 80% when the pH was greater than 7.65.

Severe alkalosis causes diffuse arteriolar constriction with reduction in tissue perfusion. By decreasing cerebral blood flow, alkalosis may lead to tetany, seizures, and decreased mental status. Metabolic alkalosis also decreases coronary blood flow and predisposes persons to refractory arrhythmias.
Metabolic alkalosis causes hypoventilation, which may cause hypoxemia, especially in patients with poor respiratory reserve, and it may impair weaning from mechanical ventilation.
Alkalosis decreases the serum concentration of ionized calcium by increasing calcium ion binding to albumin. In addition, metabolic alkalosis is almost always associated with hypokalemia, which can cause neuromuscular weakness and arrhythmias, and, by increasing ammonia production, it can precipitate hepatic encephalopathy in susceptible individuals.

source:medscape
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/243160-overview



hth


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Reply #24 on: Aug 19, 2009, 11:59 PM
hmm...i think case to case basis yan...like accupuncture, some have good testimonials, some naman lalong lumala yun sakit pagkatapos ng pagtuturok ng karayom....



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Reply #25 on: Aug 20, 2009, 09:01 AM
According to many health researchers, total healing of chronic illness takes place only when and if the blood is restored to a normal, slightly alkaline pH. In case you missed it, let me say it again...

Total healing of chronic illness takes place only when and if the blood is restored to a normal, slightly alkaline pH.

The magnitude of meaning behind this research is of incredible importance to someone who is fighting a disease, overcoming an illness, or just desiring to feel better. What it means is this...

Your Body pH Affects EVERYTHING.

The issue here is being on the alkaline side, not just drinking alkaline water per se. Most vegetables and fruits are highly alkaline, but it doesnt mean that if i eat a lot of fruits and vegetables everyday ill have alkalosis. Again we are not talking about just drinking alkaline water, its the totality of being alkaline, which is the way to good health. No products are being sold whatsoever, as dinaren wrongly interprets.


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Reply #26 on: Aug 20, 2009, 02:38 PM
« Last Edit: Aug 20, 2009, 02:45 PM by dinaren »


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Reply #27 on: Aug 20, 2009, 05:04 PM
The theory is that degenerative disease is the result, at least in large part, to an acidic body. In other words, when someone's ph levels stay acidic too long, disease and aging happen.

I have some personal beliefs around that. Even though our bodies has their own internal ways of balancing ph levels, they were never designed to carry the acidic load the modern diet dumps into them. Our typical diet today is so high in acid-producing foods that I believe our bodies cannot stay balanced.

There explains why our average mortality rate is rapidly decreasing from 90 to 80 and now 70 due to diseases brought about by modern living.


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Reply #28 on: Aug 20, 2009, 07:20 PM
« Last Edit: Aug 20, 2009, 07:22 PM by dinaren »


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Reply #29 on: Aug 20, 2009, 09:01 PM


So how would you explain this? Now that its proven (with supporting links) that Our life now is actually better now than before.

Again, why fix what is not broken?


Those figures are are not the actual figures my friend. and our life is better than before? hahahaha...you make me laugh and almost fell off my chair...How do you compare our life now than before? our life now is more convenient than before, maybe thats what you meant. Is it? In our life now, we like convenience, but our diet suffers. We have busy, stressful lives, but don't exercise enough. We like our motor vehicles, yet they pump toxins into the air. There are health consequences to these trade-offs. Heart disease, diabetes, and cancer are now thought to be a direct result of diet, lack of exercise, environmental factors, and other lifestyle factors.  Our foods are filled with chemical additives and our bodies serve as depositories for these toxins, which disrupt our natural chemistry.

These and other non-communicable diseases are the cause of more and more deaths every year. The medical community is tirelessly researching and conducting studies, scrambling to find answers. Though poor health is often the result of many factors, in the end, all fingers point to a single culprit. It's us. We're damaging our bodies through the foods we eat, the environments we live in, and the lifestyles we lead.

The good news is that we do have the ability to take preventative measures against deadly disease. By starting the fight now, we reduce the chance of a future diagnosis. THE BIGGEST MISTAKE PEOPLE MAKE IS TO WAIT UNTIL THEY'RE BROKEN TO BE FIXED. Simple lifestyle changes can make the body stronger and more resilient, making it less susceptible to future problems. I hope you get the point now.


 


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