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Title: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: FutureGizmo on Dec 06, 2015, 09:32 AM
Who's your bet for Vice-President and why? Boto na sa poll at i-explain din dito bakit siya ang kandidato mo for Vice President.

Vote wisely!  :watchuthink:
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: palailai on Dec 07, 2015, 03:34 PM
If si DU30 maging president (tapang), si Leni ang VP mahinahon/kalmado
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: jenofstructures on Dec 07, 2015, 05:28 PM
Mahalaga talaga tong vice presidential race kasi halos lahat ng Presidential aspirant e may issue
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: freefront on Dec 13, 2015, 03:15 AM
^Yep. VP is a very very important position right now.

Escudero is out for me. Huge personality problem.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: bauer on Dec 14, 2015, 03:06 PM
^Yep. VP is a very very important position right now.

Escudero is out for me. Huge personality problem.

^ Nanggaling ako sa bicol 3 weeks ago.  People told me Escudero DID NOTHING for Sorsogon or BICOL.  LENI is hands down their choice.............

Escudero was known to be a sweet talker (kaya pala Heart said YES agad) but not a DOER.  Stabbing behind the back is also one of the stories I was told.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: Ironkiwi on Dec 14, 2015, 05:19 PM
Escudero? sounds familiar, anak ba iyan ng dating crony ni Macoy? hmmm madami din nakulimbat iyan.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: gogoypmt on Dec 14, 2015, 05:22 PM
Bongbong Marcos sa akin.

Action at Long Term kung magisip. Hindi nagpapaapekto sa trapo at pamumulitika at Showbiz. Alan at Chiz trip trip lang wala mawawala sa kanila. Leni at Gringo napilitan lang. Kaya ang isang seryoso talaga ay si BBM.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: freefront on Dec 15, 2015, 05:45 AM
^ Nanggaling ako sa bicol 3 weeks ago.  People told me Escudero DID NOTHING for Sorsogon or BICOL.  LENI is hands down their choice.............

Escudero was known to be a sweet talker (kaya pala Heart said YES agad) but not a DOER.  Stabbing behind the back is also one of the stories I was told.

I've heard worse  :) ( I'm not surprised about Heart. She probably had the best brain sex with him. She did say she loved the talks she had with him *sorry, I is 110 years old already. Pardon the language. There is no Christmas contest in PMT, so I'm not donating money in the form of fines because there is no prize kitty :D Still, there is a bit of ewww factor that the lady-in-waiting had her salacious photos plastered on magazines knowing that her man is a public figure)

As for Leni Gerona-Robredo, she's good as long as she doesn't get voted and paired with Duterte. A male chauvinist/alleged human rights abuser paired with a progressive woman who is also a lawyer- can we not go there, whines and sucks thumb

It is too much too ask that she works her ass off, that she carries on like she has the position that is a 6 yr. dead-end job but still do it fantastically well because she won't be aiming for the presidency( I hope Korina is nice to her). I know it is too much too ask, but I'll ask anyway.

*Did you know ( client told me) that when GMA was VP to Erap, nakarating yan sa Apayao ( sa Region 2, malapit sa Aparri Cagayan ang access usually- para sa mga pasang awa sa Geography) para sa kanyang Vice prezzy duties daw? Can you imagine the gov't.resources she spent doing that thing? She went via helicopter.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Dec 15, 2015, 11:12 AM
Bongbong Marcos sa akin.

Action at Long Term kung magisip.
Please substantiate, I'd really want to know.

Long term mag-isip? Weh?

He couldn't even finish college despite being sent to expensive foreign school, at the expense (most likely) of Filipino taxpayers.

Ang masakit pa, ipipilit on national TV that the "special certificate" he got from Oxford is "still a degree". Kung totoo yan, ibig sabihin 4 years and 1-2 years courses e pareho lang. Mag-secretarial course na lang tayong lahat. Di ko alam kung saan ko sya icacategorize na pulitiko, sa mga tanga o sa mga sinungaling.

Action? Saan? Inuna pa ang magkaroon ng TV commercial against BBL when he should have been working double time for its passage (or kung hindi maibenta, its junking).

If you're referring to his term Governor of Ilocos Norte in which, a rabid loyalist informed me, he was able to improve the province status into 1st class province during his first term. Ang sagot ko naman, ABA DAPAT NAMAN. That's the Marcos' fiefdom for almost a hundred years na yata (his lolo was congressman in 1925).

Magresearch tayo, hindi yung kinakain na lang natin ang isinusubo sa atin.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Dec 15, 2015, 11:19 AM
If si DU30 maging president (tapang), si Leni ang VP mahinahon/kalmado

In one interview (didn't see it but read a short online discussion), Du30 was asked to react to Leni's statement that she didn't like Duterte's style of leadership. His answers were: "I don't like her" and "I don't like replying on issues raised by a lady candidate".

Pansinin nyo, while Leni was expressing her dislike/discomfort on the style of leadership, Duterte replied to attack the person. Leni was issues-based, Duterte talks about the person.

On his 2nd reply, its as if he thinks a "lady candidate" does not  merit a reply.


Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: mariamakiling on Dec 16, 2015, 01:46 AM
Leni Robredo for sure. SImple living at butihin asawa ng isang role model na politician.

Wise vote to make  :book:
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: freefront on Dec 17, 2015, 02:56 AM
Teka ka lang. What's the job description for the VP? Do you think it would be fitting to say that it would be a "good punishment' for Honasan?

What's the deal with Cayetano? Without visiting the sin of the father on him, of course.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: bauer on Dec 17, 2015, 02:31 PM
^ Honasan should never have been elected as Senator.  He spearheaded the rebellion to topple a government and then later on decided to participate in the same government he despise to bring down.  What a hypocrite!  Reminiscent of the hunger games trilogy........

Magaling mag rebelde pero mahina naman magpatakbo ng bayan sa matinong paraan (Ano naalala ninyo na magandang batas niya?). 

A rebel without a cause (James Dean???)
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: george88 on Dec 17, 2015, 07:00 PM
Duterte and Leni should win its like your Boss Dad and Loving Mom...
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: bauer on Dec 18, 2015, 02:46 PM
Duterte and Leni should win its like your Boss Dad and Loving Mom...

^Kawawa si Leni.  Ang babaero maliit ang tingin sa mga babae.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: freefront on Dec 18, 2015, 03:02 PM
[Quote from: george88 on Yesterday at 07:00 PM]
Duterte and Leni should win its like your Boss Dad and Loving Mom...

[quote from bauer]
^Kawawa si Leni.  Ang babaero maliit ang tingin sa mga babae.

^^^ Or as it goes with Boss Dad and Loving Mom---

Dad: Go ask your Mom ( para hindi mabawasan ang goodwill points)
Mom: Anong sabi ng Dad mo? ( Does not say anything for a looooonnng time  :D)

Alam na  :watchuthink:
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: junborgonos on Dec 21, 2015, 10:18 AM
For VP, I consider Cayetano. Because for me, siya lang ang pinaka visible at active na senator na nakita ko for the current term. And I'm hoping na he'll do better than that when he wins as VP. :)
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Dec 23, 2015, 06:23 PM
Teka ka lang. What's the job description for the VP? Do you think it would be fitting to say that it would be a "good punishment' for Honasan?

What's the deal with Cayetano? Without visiting the sin of the father on him, of course.

VP becomes cabinet member, iaappoint to head a certain department he/she is fit or prefers.

Pero pwede din macompare sa Ms Universe, ung 1st runner up (VP) is spare tire in case Ms. Universe fails to fulfill her role hahaha.

So if Poe is allowed to run and wins, subsequently disqualified, the elected VP will succeed/assume the Prez role. That kinda explains why Chiz convinced poe to run as Pres., to effectively eliminate her as a VP opponent. And if luck is really on his side, Poe gets disqualified after winning, lipat bigla ang korona k Chiz, walang kahirap hirap. Halata nyo ba na halos iniwan na nya si Poe to fend for herself pagtapos nyang sulsulan na tumakbo as Pres.? Ngayon he wont even comment or advise her how to handle her DQ case? This also shows kung gaano kahilaw at bagitong talaga si Poe, nagoyo sya nang harapan ni Chiz na alam naman nang lahat gano katuso.

Duterte and Leni should win its like your Boss Dad and Loving Mom...

Masyado yata itong sexist, or makaluma na pagtingin? Baka maoffend mo mga housebands dito, hehehe.

Btw, based on the latest businessworld survey, chiz still leads at 30%, leni and bbm at 19%, alan 17%...

Laki nang inakyat ni leni (from 4 to 2 spot).. also look at the charts ng monthly survey results, her trendline trajectory is upwards and ready to breakout! Wooohoo! Konting push pa! Responsible netizens, unite and campaign online for Leni! #LeniForVP #LabanLeni
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: GoodSteward on Dec 23, 2015, 10:31 PM

Btw, based on the latest businessworld survey, chiz still leads at 30%, leni and bbm at 19%, alan 17%...

Laki nang inakyat ni leni (from 4 to 2 spot).. also look at the charts ng monthly survey results, her trendline trajectory is upwards and ready to breakout! Wooohoo! Konting push pa! Responsible netizens, unite and campaign online for Leni! #LeniForVP #LabanLeni

Pansin mo bjj, as of today, yun pmt survey na 0 votes for pres and vp, siya ang number one sa labas... Binay and Cheez... hehe
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: freefront on Dec 24, 2015, 02:03 PM
pssttt jen! Baka si Alan nga ang manalo. Half German ang mokong   :hihi:#pilit tie-up sa Ms. Universe

10 things to know about Alan Peter Cayetano
What you may not know about 2016 vice presidential candidate Alan Peter Cayetano

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj02u6J6PPJAhVGYaYKHTz_BVAQFggdMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rappler.com%2Fnewsbreak%2Fiq%2F107438-fast-facts-alan-peter-cayetano&usg=AFQjCNFicqjYzmF0cQ7lHreT77IO-_NCLg&sig2=Ln7dY4CYnsXSF2h37dWjgQ

@bjj- that's why I said before, why make Honasan or Trillanes your VP if you are running for the Presidency  :D

So, if no President dies under questionable circumstances or due to natural causes( you know I've watched too much black ops themed tv  :hihi:), Honasan as VP is sitting on a chair that's being licked by the fires of hell. So near, yet so far  :evil:
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Dec 28, 2015, 09:27 PM

Pansin mo bjj, as of today, yun pmt survey na 0 votes for pres and vp, siya ang number one sa labas... Binay and Cheez... hehe

May naglakas loob na magsalita kanina laban kay Ahascudero, hopefully unti-unti na rin syang mademolish so that come May 2016, konti na lang malinlang...

In the mean time, laban lang Leni!!!

http://politics.com.ph/better-watch-out-chiz-sws-mangahas-says-leni-is-dark-horse-in-vp-race/ (http://politics.com.ph/better-watch-out-chiz-sws-mangahas-says-leni-is-dark-horse-in-vp-race/)

Senator Francis Escudero might be the consistent frontrunner in the vice presidential race in surveys conducted over the past few months, but this doesn’t mean he’s already the runaway winner in the 2016 elections.

Of the voter preference polls conducted by the Social Weather Stations (SWS) from Dec. 12 to 14, survey firm president Mahar Mangahas found Camarines Sur Rep. Leni Robredo’s ascent to second place the most interesting because of the seven-point increase she gained from the 12 points she posted in November.

At 19 points, the Liberal Party’s vice presidential candidate is now tied with Senator Ferdinand “Bongbong” Marcos Jr. for the second place.

In less than a month’s time, Mangahas said Robredo has managed to zoom past Senator Alan Peter Cayetano, who was initially ahead of her by nine points in the previous survey.

Marcos’ current rating, meanwhile, is a five-point decrease from the 24 points he scored last November.

Overall, Robredo’s ratings have risen by 16 points from the 3 percent she posted in November, the first time her name was included in the survey for vice presidential candidates.

Mulling over the surge in Robredo’s ratings, Mangahas said: “He (Escudero) stays in first, with a bigger lead over Marcos and Cayetano now but must watch out for the surging Robredo who has cut her deficit from 18 points to only 11.”
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: jenofstructures on Jan 04, 2016, 09:13 AM
Ang alam ko kapag na disqualify yung nanalong president., yung next presidential candidate with the next highest vote ang magiging president and not the VP. Ang VP magiging prex lang kung mamatay, may health conditions, at ma-impeach si President
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: GomerMagtibay on Jan 12, 2016, 12:08 PM
Wow, nakakatuwa naman yan result ng survey. Sana ganyan din sa buong Pilipinas!
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Jan 12, 2016, 03:55 PM
Ang alam ko kapag na disqualify yung nanalong president., yung next presidential candidate with the next highest vote ang magiging president and not the VP. Ang VP magiging prex lang kung mamatay, may health conditions, at ma-impeach si President


Under Article VII of the 1987 Constitution:

Section 7. The President-elect and the Vice President-elect shall assume office at the beginning of their terms.

If the President-elect fails to qualify, the Vice President-elect shall act as President until the President-elect shall have qualified.

If a President shall not have been chosen, the Vice President-elect shall act as President until a President shall have been chosen and qualified.

If at the beginning of the term of the President, the President-elect shall have died or shall have become permanently disabled, the Vice President-elect shall become President.

Where no President and Vice-President shall have been chosen or shall have qualified, or where both shall have died or become permanently disabled, the President of the Senate or, in case of his inability, the Speaker of the House of Representatives, shall act as President until a President or a Vice-President shall have been chosen and qualified.

The Congress shall, by law, provide for the manner in which one who is to act as President shall be selected until a President or a Vice-President shall have qualified, in case of death, permanent disability, or inability of the officials mentioned in the next preceding paragraph.

Section 8. In case of death, permanent disability, removal from office, or resignation of the President, the Vice-President shall become the President to serve the unexpired term. In case of death, permanent disability, removal from office, or resignation of both the President and Vice-President, the President of the Senate or, in case of his inability, the Speaker of the House of Representatives, shall then act as President until the President or Vice-President shall have been elected and qualified.

The Congress shall, by law, provide who shall serve as President in case of death, permanent disability, or resignation of the Acting President. He shall serve until the President or the Vice-President shall have been elected and qualified, and be subject to the same restrictions of powers and disqualifications as the Acting President.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Feb 18, 2016, 11:24 PM
So tama nga, if the candidate for president with the most number of votes gets disqualified, then the candidate with the next highest number of votes shall become president, since the latter will be the qualified president elect.

The winning vice president will only act as president if no candidate for president was proclaimed at the prescribed time required.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: bauer on Feb 19, 2016, 11:44 AM
 @wilch23, if the quote verbatim posted by byy is accurate, hindi binaggit anywhere na panalo ang presidential candidate with the next highest vote kapag ang president elect fails to qualify.

 
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 03, 2016, 10:09 PM
For VP, I consider Cayetano. Because for me, siya lang ang pinaka visible at active na senator na nakita ko for the current term. And I'm hoping na he'll do better than that when he wins as VP. :)

Alan Peter CAYETANO.

He did his homework as I have observed for the televised senate hearings. Well educated and talks sensibly. And he might be a good foreign secretary too.

Hahaha, much improved na sya compared to when he first went live on air, but that was only because of the depth whence he came from!
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 03, 2016, 10:23 PM
@wilch23, if the quote verbatim posted by byy is accurate, hindi binaggit anywhere na panalo ang presidential candidate with the next highest vote kapag ang president elect fails to qualify.

Actually it does say so right there.



Under Article VII of the 1987 Constitution:

Section 7. The President-elect and the Vice President-elect shall assume office at the beginning of their terms.

The term "-elect" here means the guy won the election but has not yet been sworn into office.

If the President-elect fails to qualify, the Vice President-elect shall act as President until the President-elect shall have qualified.

So here the winner of the presidential election is disqualified and will not be sworn into office, aka he can't sit as president. The VP-elect will ACT, not substitute for, (acting only) until the President-elect (The next guy with the highest number of votes. Why shld this still be the one with the highest number of votes since he was DQed already?) shall have qualified.

If a President shall not have been chosen, the Vice President-elect shall act as President until a President shall have been chosen and qualified.

See how this line reinforces the previous line about choosing a(nother) President (who is qualified)?

If at the beginning of the term of the President, the President-elect shall have died or shall have become permanently disabled, the Vice President-elect shall become President.

Here the term has begun, so the VP becomes the successor.

Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 03, 2016, 10:32 PM
In short, Chiz can sit as president only if both he and Grace won their respective elections, and were sworn in as VP and Pres respectively.
Then Grace will have to be DQed so Chiz can sit as Pres.

3 events need to happen here with the 1st and 2nd acting as pre-requisites for the 3rd before Chiz can become President, while the 3rd event can happen or not with no relation to the first 2 events.

So now you're saying this is the plan of Chiz?
Grace is 30-70 to win and 50-50 to be DQed before the election.
Meanwhile Chiz is also 40-60 on winning the VP race.
More than certain is that SC will rule on the qualification of Grace BEFORE the election.
IS that a DIABOLICAL plan, as in a movie thriller?
Or a very DUMB plan?
Who then planned it?
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: freefront on Mar 04, 2016, 12:00 AM
Soooooo.....which is it going to be? Parang Baranggay election lang na ang susunod na kagawad with the highest vote will sit as Baranggay Chairman pag patay/DQ'ed/permanently disabled ang elected kapitan or according to this,

"If at the beginning of the term of the President, the President-elect shall have died or shall have become permanently disabled, the Vice President-elect shall become President."

Si VP ang magiging Pres.

Naguluhan ako dyan sa huli na yan. "If at the beginning.........." How many days remaining sa term ng president who died bago mag-call ng bagong election? Pag lumampas ng 3 years, election na ulit?

[quote from wilch]

Quote from: bajoyjoy on Jan 12, 2016, 03:55 PM


Under Article VII of the 1987 Constitution:

Section 7. The President-elect and the Vice President-elect shall assume office at the beginning of their terms.

The term "-elect" here means the guy won the election but has not yet been sworn into office.

^You are anchoring on the start of their terms?

If the President-elect fails to qualify, the Vice President-elect shall act as President until the President-elect shall have qualified.

So here the winner of the presidential election is disqualified and will not be sworn into office, aka he can't sit as president. The VP-elect will ACT, not substitute for, (acting only) until the President-elect (The next guy with the highest number of votes. Why shld this still be the one with the highest number of votes since he was DQed already?) shall have qualified.

^ It's the same guy that needs to overturn the DQ.

If a President shall not have been chosen, the Vice President-elect shall act as President until a President shall have been chosen and qualified.

See how this line reinforces the previous line about choosing a(nother) President (who is qualified)?

^ Yes, but it did not explicitly say the presidential bet with the highest vote. Nor did it say, "pass your papers and you can sit as President since you are the second best popular." It didn't say "chosen by a commission" or by a special election.

If at the beginning of the term of the President, the President-elect shall have died or shall have become permanently disabled, the Vice President-elect shall become President.

Here the term has begun, so the VP becomes the successor.

This is the only clear line where it says the VP-elect can become the president. And since you anchored on "taken the oath of office- its the beginning of their term" avenue, then the President is a marked man on day one.

What if it means, "early days" like 100- 730 days?  Will there be a snap election for the Presidency to serve the next 4 years?

I just think we need some yellow color.

Can't see white unless you forgo being lazy. I dare you  :watchuthink: Here:

Patriotism for the day  :D

Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 04, 2016, 04:46 PM
"If at the beginning of the term of the President, the President-elect shall have died or shall have become permanently disabled, the Vice President-elect shall become President."

Si VP ang magiging Pres.

IN this case, YES. The VP becomes the President.

Naguluhan ako dyan sa huli na yan. "If at the beginning.........." How many days remaining sa term ng president who died bago mag-call ng bagong election? Pag lumampas ng 3 years, election na ulit?

[quote from wilch]

Quote from: bajoyjoy on Jan 12, 2016, 03:55 PM


Under Article VII of the 1987 Constitution:

Section 7. The President-elect and the Vice President-elect shall assume office at the beginning of their terms.

The term "-elect" here means the guy won the election but has not yet been sworn into office.

^You are anchoring on the start of their terms?
I don't get the "anchor" here.
I was only stating that the term "-elect" means getting the most number of votes but not yet sworn in, whether because it's not yet time, or the winner's QUALIFICATION is under question.


If the President-elect fails to qualify, the Vice President-elect shall act as President until the President-elect shall have qualified.

So here the winner of the presidential election is disqualified and will not be sworn into office, aka he can't sit as president. The VP-elect will ACT, not substitute for, (acting only) until the President-elect (The next guy with the highest number of votes. Why shld this still be the one with the highest number of votes since he was DQed already?) shall have qualified.

^ It's the same guy that needs to overturn the DQ.
He may be or it may be the next guy or gal with the 2nd most number of votes.

If a President shall not have been chosen, the Vice President-elect shall act as President until a President shall have been chosen and qualified.

See how this line reinforces the previous line about choosing a(nother) President (who is qualified)?

^ Yes, but it did not explicitly say the presidential bet with the highest vote. Nor did it say, "pass your papers and you can sit as President since you are the second best popular." It didn't say "chosen by a commission" or by a special election.

I know.
That is precisely why the VP will ACT as the President UNTIL a candidate will become the winner for President.
Where did the commission or special election come from? Only from you.
The winner will still come from the result of the President votes.


If at the beginning of the term of the President, the President-elect shall have died or shall have become permanently disabled, the Vice President-elect shall become President.

Here the term has begun, so the VP becomes the successor.

This is the only clear line where it says the VP-elect can become the president. And since you anchored on "taken the oath of office- its the beginning of their term" avenue, then the President is a marked man on day one.

Well, he is a marked man from that day on for anyone who wants to grab the Presidency by force or stealth.

What if it means, "early days" like 100- 730 days?  Will there be a snap election for the Presidency to serve the next 4 years?

NO it doesn't.
This part of the Constitution deals with the election process.
There is another article that deals with succession in case the President dies, gets real sick, etc.
That is why it says here, "... at the beginning of the term ..."
Context lang.


I just think we need some yellow color.

Can't see white unless you forgo being lazy. I dare you  :watchuthink: Here:

Patriotism for the day  :D
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 06, 2016, 11:36 AM
In short, Chiz can sit as president only if both he and Grace won their respective elections, and were sworn in as VP and Pres respectively.
Then Grace will have to be DQed so Chiz can sit as Pres.

3 events need to happen here with the 1st and 2nd acting as pre-requisites for the 3rd before Chiz can become President, while the 3rd event can happen or not with no relation to the first 2 events.

Kaya ang sabi ko ang plano ni chiz macorner ang VP race kaya pinilit iconvince si GP mag-prez... at kung talagang SWERTE sya, madisqualify si GP eventually. Emphasis on LUCK. Sa anggulong ito pa lang, litaw na litaw na na walang muwang (binola ang word ni Mar) si GP sa abilidad ni chiz na magpaikot ng tao. Puppet nga ang sabi ng iba, and they both need to make a PUBLIC DENIAL na puppet si GP ni chiz, kaya dumistansya sii chiz.. nung nasabihan syang ahascudero saka na naman sya nag ingay at nagdefend na ulit kay GP. Anybody here even notice?  :bahalaka:

Actually kaya ko pinost ung consti provisions, bcoz I dont wanna go into interpreting the law, nakaka-blood clot sa utak hahaaha. Nalimutan ko na rin election law ko at pasang awa lang kasi ako dun. And this GP case is also a landmark case (foundling, natural born, residence issues all in one). kaya no one can really say how the law will be finally interpreted--even the SC justices have oppposing views hindi pa man... Buti pa si justice wilch natyaga himayin at may sagot agad hehehe  :applause:

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So now you're saying this is the plan of Chiz?
Grace is 30-70 to win and 50-50 to be DQed before the election.
Meanwhile Chiz is also 40-60 on winning the VP race.
More than certain is that SC will rule on the qualification of Grace BEFORE the election.


Anyway just some clarification na rin. This pending case of GP in the SC is not DQ in the strict sense, more of generic word kaya yun ang tawag. Kung matatandaan nyo, COMELEC made the decision to CANCEL THE COC of GP, and this is what she appealed to the SC. Her name was not stricken off the ballot becoz of the TRO isssued. And that TRO was issued, not becoz she is correct that she is natural born filipino and can run for prez (as what her pol ads misrepresent), but bcoz... TRO is an immediate relief generally granted when no other speedy and adequate relief is available, in the mean time that the main legal controversy is pending in court. Kailangan isyuhan ng TRO kasi kung hindi, aalisin sya sa list ng candidates sa balota. Pag inalis sya tapos eventually magdecide SC na eligible sya to run, e too late na, naprint na balota mas mahirap solusyunan as compared to just consider the GP votes as stray kung hindi pala sya qualified. So ung pinapalabas sa tv na kinatigan sya ng SC, KASINUNGALINGAN yun. And yet openly nagagawang magsinungaling at lokohin ang mga botante. Nagpapabugbog muna... charing!  :boxing:

Anyway, nililinaw ko ito para maintindihan din ng lahat na kung sakaling mag-decide next wk ang SC... ang dinidesisyunan ay kung tama ba ang COMELEC na icancel ang COC ni GP. SC may or may not delve into the issue of her being a natural born, or just the residency requirement. If youve been following the oral arguments (im not hehehe), I think may mga justices na nagpapahiwatig of their opinion to allow GP to run and LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE. Hindi ako pabor dito.   :watchuthink:

Yung cancellation of COC, is more on the question of whether GP has the right to be VOTED FOR - karapatang tumakbo. Thats DIFFERENT from pre-proclamation controversy which may also be filed if there is allegation of iregularities during the election...

If she wins the elections, the next legal battle is if she is ELIGIBLE TO BE PRESIDENT kung hindi sya natural born citizen. This matter will be raised in a petition for QUO WARRANTO-- that David guy will surely have another go at it and poop on GP's victory party. Wag nyo ko tanungin kung ano yang QW, hahaha... basta nireraise pa rin jan ang eligibility or qualification.

Bukod pa rin jan ang anuman election protest na pwedeng isampa ng nakakuha ng next highest votes. Gaya ng nangyari kay Miriam nung 1992 presidential bid nya na dinaya daw sya ni FVR.. nahalal na ulit syang Senator bago nagdecide ang SC -- not to say if shee was really cheated or not.. but to sayy the case has become moot --dahil nagdecide sii miriam tumakbong senador which means she abandoned her pending protest. SC just dodged answering the real question.
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Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 06, 2016, 11:54 AM

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IS that a DIABOLICAL plan, as in a movie thriller?
Or a very DUMB plan?
Who then planned it?

So ang point ko lang, maraming pwedeng mangyari at maisip na panggulo sa labanan ng pagka-pangulo. Make no mistake about it, mas gugulo pa ang usapan kung magpapabebe ang SC at hindi magbigay ng direchong desisyon.. Na pwede namang maiwasan kung malinaw sa lahat sa simulat simula kung ano ang hinihinging pamantayan ng batas. Kung ssabihin na naman na naapaka-legalistic na pananaw, natural lang dahil saligang batas ang pinag uusapan dito.

Napansin ko lang din kasi, mga pilipino kase sanay at tanggap natin ang ugaling, kung makakalusot, magpapalusot. Ano nga ba naman ang masama kung kulang ng 2 buwan na residence si GP? Round off natin, 10yrs na rin, mabuting tao at gobyernong may puso naman sya (charot!!! Diba nga, tinalikuran ang pagkapilipino dahil sa puso, dahil sa LABLAYP!)... Pero kung tatanggapin natin yan, e di 6 yrs residence lang dapat pwede na, pag niround off mo to nearest 10, kuha na ung 10yrs reqt. mali diba, naging negotiable ang requirements ng constitution. Dapat hindi, dapat strikto, kulang ng isang araw o apat na taon, not eligible tumakbo. Wag pumayag sa palusot.

Pero kung ang SC maghuhugas kamay and will LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE (patakbuhin muna, pag nanalo na saka natin pagtalunan ang citizenship), mas mabigat ang pressure sa kanila to rule in GP's favor dahil WILL OF THE PEOPLE na ang babanggain nila... at pwedeng magplay safe na rin sila para maging friendly ang relasyon ng executive at judiciary.

Babala, kuro kuro ko lang itey, wag funny..walain... :rofl:

Weyt, dpt yaata sa presidential vote na thread akO nagpost hahaha ang gulo na tuloy... suri naman... :hihi:
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Post by: freefront on Mar 07, 2016, 05:18 PM
Galing sa taong kapareho ko na parang telegrama magsalita minsan: "Chiz or Marcos?"

Me: Go.a.way.  :hello:

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If a President shall not have been chosen, the Vice President-elect shall act as President until a President shall have been chosen and qualified.

See how this line reinforces the previous line about choosing a(nother) President (who is qualified)?

^ Yes, but it did not explicitly say the presidential bet with the highest vote. Nor did it say, "pass your papers and you can sit as President since you are the second best popular." It didn't say "chosen by a commission" or by a special election.



I know.
That is precisely why the VP will ACT as the President UNTIL a candidate will become the winner for President.
Where did the commission or special election come from? Only from you.
The winner will still come from the result of the President votes.

^^^I am not sold on that idea. We will vote one president. We are not going to rank them as fitting to unfit or  On Bat, On Deck, and Hoping. One. I would suppose we will vote differently if it would mean ranking the presidentiables according to the possibility that they might sit as president if the president-elect dies or becomes permanently disabled.

As for this : "Only from you." <---throw in the scenario from Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan becoming president  :hihi:  See here. There was a joint session. There was a bomb. Jack becomes president  :D

Going back...... Parang baranggay election talaga? Ganerns?!
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 08, 2016, 01:47 PM

Actually kaya ko pinost ung consti provisions, bcoz I dont wanna go into interpreting the law, nakaka-blood clot sa utak hahaaha. Nalimutan ko na rin election law ko at pasang awa lang kasi ako dun. And this GP case is also a landmark case (foundling, natural born, residence issues all in one). kaya no one can really say how the law will be finally interpreted--even the SC justices have oppposing views hindi pa man... Buti pa si justice wilch natyaga himayin at may sagot agad hehehe  :applause:

Hahha, fact is I did no such "himayin". All I did was read it for what it is, plain English lang naman. Now if there are other laws that contravene these lines, ibang usapan na yan. Basta for me, I base it on this passage lang.

Anyway just some clarification na rin. This pending case of GP in the SC is not DQ in the strict sense, more of generic word kaya yun ang tawag. Kung matatandaan nyo, COMELEC made the decision to CANCEL THE COC of GP, and this is what she appealed to the SC. Her name was not stricken off the ballot becoz of the TRO isssued. And that TRO was issued, not becoz she is correct that she is natural born filipino and can run for prez (as what her pol ads misrepresent), but bcoz... TRO is an immediate relief generally granted when no other speedy and adequate relief is available, in the mean time that the main legal controversy is pending in court. Kailangan isyuhan ng TRO kasi kung hindi, aalisin sya sa list ng candidates sa balota.

That is the reason for a TRO, to PREVENT damage or loss, potential or real, due to unresolved issues, so status quo muna yan. BTW a TRO from the SC has no time limit.

Pag inalis sya tapos eventually magdecide SC na eligible sya to run, e too late na, naprint na balota mas mahirap solusyunan as compared to just consider the GP votes as stray kung hindi pala sya qualified. So ung pinapalabas sa tv na kinatigan sya ng SC, KASINUNGALINGAN yun. And yet openly nagagawang magsinungaling at lokohin ang mga botante. Nagpapabugbog muna... charing!  :boxing:

Baka she meant CJ Sereno, who is obviously sympathetic to Grace. Wala kasing experience as justice eto CJ natin kaya yon, sobrang obvious ang bias, whether tama or hindi.

Anyway, nililinaw ko ito para maintindihan din ng lahat na kung sakaling mag-decide next wk ang SC... ang dinidesisyunan ay kung tama ba ang COMELEC na icancel ang COC ni GP. SC may or may not delve into the issue of her being a natural born, or just the residency requirement. If youve been following the oral arguments (im not hehehe), I think may mga justices na nagpapahiwatig of their opinion to allow GP to run and LET THE PEOPLE DECIDE. Hindi ako pabor dito.   :watchuthink:

Count me in.
Kasi kung ganyan nag reasoning, bakit pa may SC, bakit pa may any court of law? Eh di MOB RULE nalang!?

Yung cancellation of COC, is more on the question of whether GP has the right to be VOTED FOR - karapatang tumakbo. Thats DIFFERENT from pre-proclamation controversy which may also be filed if there is allegation of iregularities during the election...

If she wins the elections, the next legal battle is if she is ELIGIBLE TO BE PRESIDENT kung hindi sya natural born citizen. This matter will be raised in a petition for QUO WARRANTO-- that David guy will surely have another go at it and poop on GP's victory party. Wag nyo ko tanungin kung ano yang QW, hahaha... basta nireraise pa rin jan ang eligibility or qualification.

I believe this issue is already with the SC also, which will also be decided on soon.

Bukod pa rin jan ang anuman election protest na pwedeng isampa ng nakakuha ng next highest votes. Gaya ng nangyari kay Miriam nung 1992 presidential bid nya na dinaya daw sya ni FVR.. nahalal na ulit syang Senator bago nagdecide ang SC -- not to say if shee was really cheated or not.. but to sayy the case has become moot --dahil nagdecide sii miriam tumakbong senador which means she abandoned her pending protest. SC just dodged answering the real question.

Parang walang ruling ang SC dyan sa accusation ni Miriam, if I remember correctly. It was ruled that the madam had abandoned her plea since she ran for the Senate.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 08, 2016, 01:54 PM
BTW, BJJ, hindi ka ba na Blood Clot dyan sa clarification mo re the DQ, COC, and TRO of COMELEC, Grace and SC?
Legal din yon at Constitutional Provisions din.
Hahha
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Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 08, 2016, 04:04 PM
BTW, BJJ, hindi ka ba na Blood Clot dyan sa clarification mo re the DQ, COC, and TRO of COMELEC, Grace and SC?
Legal din yon at Constitutional Provisions din.
Hahha

mga nadidiscuss naman kasi mga yang topics na yan kasi hot issue sya, all i did is reiterate what's been said in various news articles and commentaries.

 
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Hahha, fact is I did no such "himayin". All I did was read it for what it is, plain English lang naman. Now if there are other laws that contravene these lines, ibang usapan na yan. Basta for me, I base it on this passgae lang.

well you and ff are in going into the very words of the provisions. Nagdadalwang isip ako makisali, lalong gugulo hahaha

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That is the reason for a TRO, to PREVENT damage or loss, potential or real, due to unresolved issues, so status quo muna yan. BTW a TRO from the SC has no time limit.
 


What I’m pointing out is the “false advertising” from GP’s ad which an ordinary voter may construe as the truth – pinayagan ng SC na tumakbo si GP. Obviously she’s trying to hold on to her would-be voters for them not to “abandon” her (sorry for that word, may hugot yan sa kanya).

Pero syempre bilang botante at may pagpapahalaga ka rin sa boto mo na may posibilidad na mabasura (stray vote), you would want an honest feedback kung ano talaga ang lagay. Para din naman makapaghanda ka ng plan B. Nakaka-confuse din para dun sa mga nakumbinse nya na sabi pwede tumakbo tapos ngayon may hinihintay na desisyon. And it’s also an indirect pressure on the SC to decide in her favour kasi nagpapasalamat na mga tao sa SC.

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I believe this issue is already with the SC also, which will also be decided on soon.
Not if they go the ‘let the people decide’ route, in which case, they’ll hold off until GP gets the highest votes.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 08, 2016, 10:01 PM
The "let the people decide" theory was what the then SC did for FPJ.
I wonder if this is the same principle used, now that the dota had also found favor with the current SC.

Advice ko lang kay Gracia, kung matalo sya, huwag idaan sa inuman, baka history will repeat itself.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 20, 2016, 03:44 PM
Why is Bongbong becoming a strong contender?

Noy attacked him in a personal way.
Bongbong replied that he will shun mudslinging and dirty tactics but rather will stick to the issues facing the country.

My conclusion:
Noy and his yellow army's attacks only make Bongbong shines brighter.
Do Noy etal really believe that Martial Law was a bad thing for all Filipinos, and not only for the oligarchs?
Do they really think that the son should bear the burden or reap the rewards of the father ?
If so then why is he so chummy with Chiz ?
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: bauer on Mar 21, 2016, 10:41 AM
^Ang tingin ko lamang kulang pa ang pagpapakita sa mga kamalian, pang aabuso, at pagsira sa kasarinlan ng mga MARCOSES.

Si Bongbong ay hindi na bata nang mangyari ang mga pang aabuso kaya alam na alam niya ang mga kamalian na ginawa ng kanyang pamilya.  Dahil siya ay matalino, umiiwas na lang siyang sumagot sa mga atraso na kanilang ginawa tulad ng pag iwas ni BINAY sa pagsagot sa pagnanakaw sa kaban ng Makati.

Maiintindihan natin si PNOY kung bakit ganoon na lamang ang galit niya sa Marcoses.  Pinatay ang kanyang ama.  Pero makikita natin na kahit dalawa na ang naging Presidente na mga Aquino, hindi sila gumanti sa mga Marcoses tulad na nangyari sa kanilang mahal sa buhay.

Did we really lose ourselves that we find it hard to see the TRUTH behind all of these events?  Did all the repeated peddling of LIES in mass media and social media BLINDED US?

If we find doubt in verifying the TRUTH, we need to seek UTMOST PRAYER to grant us the GRACE to DISCERN the TRUTH so that we can make better decisions.
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Post by: jenofstructures on Mar 21, 2016, 05:25 PM
^^^^ ang problema din kasi, kapag usapang martial law at EDSA revolution, ang mas naipapakita yung pangyayari sa mga Aquino. E walang wala naman yun sa mga kinukuwento ng guro namin nung kapanahunan ko. Wala na ang mga henerasyon na makakapagkwento ng ibang nangyari nung martial law. Kulang ang panahon natin sa pagbubukas ng mga kuwentong naganap ng Martial Law. Kahit nga ako di ko alam na meron palang video si bongbong na nasa party, naka red ribbon na umiilaw ilaw pa habang nagkakagulo sa Pilipinas
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Post by: bauer on Mar 22, 2016, 11:08 AM
^ Napabayaan kasi ng ating gobyerno ang edukasyon.  Mga libro sa pampubliko na paaralan, imbes na dekalidad, puro wrong spelling, grammar, at mababa ang antas ng kalidad.

Wala ring pondo sa maayos na "training" at refresher courses para sa mga guro kaya ang ating kasaysayan ay hindi maituro ng maayos.

Actually, hindi lang sa mga Marcoses mahina ang pagtuturo ng kasaysayan, hanggang sa pagtuturo ng kasaysayan ng panahon bago dumating ang mga kastila.  Kulang rin ang kwento ano ang buhay ng Pilipino noong panahon sakop tayo ng Kastila, Amerikano, Hapon at kahit na mga "danish" at "british" occupiers.
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Post by: jenofstructures on Mar 22, 2016, 11:17 AM
^^^^ maaari ring "out of respect" sa mga Marcoses kaya kulang ang binibigay na impormasyon sa mga libro. Kung kay Aguinaldo nga na pagkatagal nang nangyari, madalang lang ipakita ang anggulo ukol sa pagdawit sa kanya sa kamatayan ni Luna at Bonifacio. Out of respect daw dahil sa unang republika at bandera na pakana nya or out of respect dahil mejo matagal na syang nabuhay nung kapanahunan ng mga Amerikano
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Post by: wilch23 on Mar 22, 2016, 03:56 PM
I strongly disagree.
Martial Law was a GOOD time for most of us.
Nawala ang Anarchy and nabawasan ang mga Oligarchs.

Of course it's not good for Ninoy who was salivating after the presidency.
It was not good for the NPAs.
Tragically it lasted too long and spun out of control.

Under then Pres Ramos, RP was considered in a very good place.
(I will never forget how the Queen of Darkness plunge the whole of Luzon into hell before we were rescued by Ramos.)
It took less than 3 years of Erap and even less time of public protest to bring the economy back on its knees.
Compare that to how much protest and how long it took to bring the RP economy down during the time of then Pres Marcos.

Furthermore, was the 2 Aquino Presidencies any better?
The answer will come in the 2016 VP race.
As of now, the frontrunners are Chiz and Bongbong, both are products of the Martial Law era.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: bj71 on Mar 25, 2016, 10:25 AM
bong bong marcos
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 26, 2016, 12:51 PM
Interesting that Bongbong is the leading candidate here at PMT.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 27, 2016, 07:11 PM
Bongbong seems to be attractive to the young people.
He is also popular in the North, naturalmente.

Among middle aged to seniors-to-be voters, it's more of a division in preference.
Many people I know in this age group will vote for him just to tell Noy to shove it up his AquinoA ss!

Hahaha
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Post by: bauer on Mar 28, 2016, 12:47 PM
(http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y376/bauer2015/Marcos/BBM%201_zpsn0vwjsdx.jpg) (http://s1031.photobucket.com/user/bauer2015/media/Marcos/BBM%201_zpsn0vwjsdx.jpg.html)
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Post by: GoodSteward on Mar 28, 2016, 01:38 PM
Bongbong seems to be attractive to the young people.
He is also popular in the North, naturalmente.

Among middle aged to seniors-to-be voters, it's more of a division in preference.
Many people I know in this age group will vote for him just to tell Noy to shove it up his AquinoA ss!

Hahaha

Haha... True, dont under estimate emotional votes and proper timing.

Roxas was supposed to be presidential candidate last 2010. But gloria scandals plus corys demise propelled noy to presidency, to the regrets of many...hehe

Lets see how the vp result will be... Marcoscudero on a neck to neck battle...
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Post by: wilch23 on Mar 28, 2016, 08:40 PM
ERAP just endorsed Grace and BB.

Significance?
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: bauer on Mar 29, 2016, 01:59 PM
^^ Ganti lang ni ERAP sa NOYBI operation last 2010 election.

If we will check bilangpilipino.com data, we can learn the following facts:

ERAP was voted second to PNOY garnering 213,747 votes last 2010 election.

GRACE POE's senate run last 2013 got her 440,009 votes (#1).

It is interesting that BBM got 394,549 votes while Escudero got 380,050 votes last 2013 Senate run.

My short take?  Even without ERAP's endorsement, POE will win Manila but now it will be a SURE WIN for her in Manila.

Without ERAP's endorsement, BBM and Escudero will have a close fight in Manila.  However, BBM's winning rate will be higher due to Erap's endorsement.

ERAP can bring votes to his chosen candidates BUT not strong enough to make a significant effect.  COMELEC said we had 54 million registered voters this 2016 election.

200,000 solid ERAP voting block is only 0.37% of total registered voters.  Not even close to 1%!
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Post by: bauer on Mar 31, 2016, 02:43 PM
(http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y376/bauer2015/Marcos/BBM%203_zpskxxnbf2h.jpg) (http://s1031.photobucket.com/user/bauer2015/media/Marcos/BBM%203_zpskxxnbf2h.jpg.html)
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Post by: wilch23 on Mar 31, 2016, 10:30 PM
^^ Ganti lang ni ERAP sa NOYBI operation last 2010 election.

If we will check bilangpilipino.com data, we can learn the following facts:

ERAP was voted second to PNOY garnering 213,747 votes last 2010 election.

GRACE POE's senate run last 2013 got her 440,009 votes (#1).

It is interesting that BBM got 394,549 votes while Escudero got 380,050 votes last 2013 Senate run.

My short take?  Even without ERAP's endorsement, POE will win Manila but now it will be a SURE WIN for her in Manila.

Without ERAP's endorsement, BBM and Escudero will have a close fight in Manila.  However, BBM's winning rate will be higher due to Erap's endorsement.

ERAP can bring votes to his chosen candidates BUT not strong enough to make a significant effect.  COMELEC said we had 54 million registered voters this 2016 election.

200,000 solid ERAP voting block is only 0.37% of total registered voters.  Not even close to 1%!

I don't believe you have the right numbers.
That can't be right.

Erap had more than 9M votes in 2016
Total number of voters around 51M
Votes casted >38M
Invalid votes >2M
Votes counted >36M
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: bauer on Apr 01, 2016, 10:53 AM
I don't believe you have the right numbers.
That can't be right.

Erap had more than 9M votes in 2016
Total number of voters around 51M
Votes casted >38M
Invalid votes >2M
Votes counted >36M

^You maybe misunderstood my point.  The data is accurate because it is the RESULT OF ELECTION LAST 2013 HELD IN MANILA.

The data I presented is not about the 2010 election when ERAP run and lost to PNOY.

I use the City of Manila's last 2013 election result because the AUDIENCE of ERAP are residents of Manila only because he will run again for re-election.  His target is local not national in scope. 
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: jenofstructures on Apr 01, 2016, 04:58 PM
Pag nanalong bise si BBM, ano next? presidency?

amp$%^@ para san pa at nagkaroon ng edsa revolution, magbabalik din pala ng Marcos sa Malacanang.
Hello to twinkling red ribbon
(Aga mag connect sa 2022 presidential election pero di ko talaga mapigilan)
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 01, 2016, 05:01 PM
^^ Ganti lang ni ERAP sa NOYBI operation last 2010 election.

If we will check bilangpilipino.com data, we can learn the following facts:

ERAP was voted second to PNOY garnering 213,747 votes last 2010 election.

GRACE POE's senate run last 2013 got her 440,009 votes (#1).

It is interesting that BBM got 394,549 votes while Escudero got 380,050 votes last 2013 Senate run.

My short take?  Even without ERAP's endorsement, POE will win Manila but now it will be a SURE WIN for her in Manila.

Without ERAP's endorsement, BBM and Escudero will have a close fight in Manila.  However, BBM's winning rate will be higher due to Erap's endorsement.

ERAP can bring votes to his chosen candidates BUT not strong enough to make a significant effect.  COMELEC said we had 54 million registered voters this 2016 election.

200,000 solid ERAP voting block is only 0.37% of total registered voters.  Not even close to 1%!

Hindi ata tama yang data that turned blue.

^You maybe misunderstood my point.  The data is accurate because it is the RESULT OF ELECTION LAST 2013 HELD IN MANILA.

The data I presented is not about the 2010 election when ERAP run and lost to PNOY.

I use the City of Manila's last 2013 election result because the AUDIENCE of ERAP are residents of Manila only because he will run again for re-election.  His target is local not national in scope. 

Just because Erap is running for mayor of Manila doesn't mean he has no "command vote", aka influence, over voters outside of Manila, dba?
I concede tho that it won't have as much impact since he will be devoting his time and effort in Manila.
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Post by: bauer on Apr 03, 2016, 08:49 AM
^Yes probable so.  btw, ERAP may also influence voters in San Juan sine he also helps his other wife.
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Post by: wilch23 on Apr 03, 2016, 05:42 PM
Pag nanalong bise si BBM, ano next? presidency?

amp$%^@ para san pa at nagkaroon ng edsa revolution, magbabalik din pala ng Marcos sa Malacanang.
Hello to twinkling red ribbon
(Aga mag connect sa 2022 presidential election pero di ko talaga mapigilan)

That might just be the plan.
Bongbong has to win as VP first though, overwise tapos na dream nya to be President. One thing he has going for him is that if Noy can be president, why not him.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 03, 2016, 05:48 PM
Winning the VP race is important.
No loser in a VP race has ever become president in our country.
 Attention: Mar, Mar to the ...
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Post by: bauer on Apr 04, 2016, 07:54 AM
I don't believe you have the right numbers.
That can't be right.

Erap had more than 9M votes in 2016
Total number of voters around 51M
Votes casted >38M
Invalid votes >2M
Votes counted >36M

^The data I shared is all about the VOTES IN CITY OF MANILA ONLY during 2010 and 2013 elections.
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Post by: wilch23 on Apr 05, 2016, 12:43 PM
Bakit marami gusto kay Leni dito sa survey?
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: bauer on Apr 05, 2016, 04:32 PM
Bakit marami gusto kay Leni dito sa survey?

^1. walang bahid ng corruption

2. bago lang sa pulitika hindi traditional politician na marami nang karanasan sa "backroom deals" at marami nang compromise sa mga pulitiko sa pang sariling interes.

3. isang abugado kaya may kakayahan at talino na mamuno.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: bauer on Apr 05, 2016, 04:44 PM
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Post by: jenofstructures on Apr 06, 2016, 07:42 AM
Bakit marami gusto kay Leni dito sa survey?
Sa tinagal tagal ni Jesse sa pulitika, di man lamang nabago ang buhay nila. Nakikitira pa rin sila sa biyenan. Simple pa rin ang buhay nya. At kahit pumasok na rin sa pulitika si Leni, ganon pa rin ang buhay nila. Siguro maganda ring grounds yun para isipin na wala nga syang bahid pulitika.
Naaalala ko si Jesse nong pista ng Penafrancia. Nakapaa lang at wala man lamang guard. Dami pamandin pogi don.
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Post by: bauer on Apr 06, 2016, 09:22 AM
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Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 06, 2016, 02:17 PM
Sa tinagal tagal ni Jesse sa pulitika, di man lamang nabago ang buhay nila. Nakikitira pa rin sila sa biyenan. Simple pa rin ang buhay nya. At kahit pumasok na rin sa pulitika si Leni, ganon pa rin ang buhay nila. Siguro maganda ring grounds yun para isipin na wala nga syang bahid pulitika.
Naaalala ko si Jesse nong pista ng Penafrancia. Nakapaa lang at wala man lamang guard. Dami pamandin pogi don.

Parang DU30?
Sub the names, places and ...
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 08, 2016, 12:30 PM
LP Heavy artillery now trained on the young Marcos.
Is it because in the real no nonsense surveys, BBM is actually leading already?
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 08, 2016, 01:21 PM
^^fun and ironic politics...

Marcos haters hate Martial Law and corruption.

Marcos haters hate cronies like Danding Cojuanco...

Danding Cojuanco has super ties with Grace Poe.

Some Marcos haters will vote Grace Poe.

Marcos haters who will vote for Grace Poe is into an infinite logical loop... Lol
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: jenofstructures on Apr 08, 2016, 02:28 PM
^^^ Plus magkapatid pa daw sila....  :D

Parang DU30?
Sub the names, places and ...

Wait, may debosyon ba si Du30?
shocks traffic sa Alabang ngayon dahil sa kanya.... Kung minura nya dati ang Papa, sya naman mumurahin ng mga nasa BPO ngayon
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 09, 2016, 03:20 PM
^^^ Plus magkapatid pa daw sila....  :D

Wait, may debosyon ba si Du30?
shocks traffic sa Alabang ngayon dahil sa kanya.... Kung minura nya dati ang Papa, sya naman mumurahin ng mga nasa BPO ngayon


Hhaha, sige try nyo ...
Pero malamang wa effect yan, parang terms of endearment pa yan sa kanya!
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Post by: TulogSaPancitan on Apr 10, 2016, 06:16 AM
^^^ Plus magkapatid pa daw sila....  :D

Wait, may debosyon ba si Du30?
shocks traffic sa Alabang ngayon dahil sa kanya.... Kung minura nya dati ang Papa, sya naman mumurahin ng mga nasa BPO ngayon

that's blasphemy. u can tell the pope to fck off but not his holiness du30. unless u want death threats.  :D
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: TulogSaPancitan on Apr 10, 2016, 06:18 AM
bbm really? ok i give up. i don't get this joke.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 10, 2016, 01:49 PM
Meron debate for VP candidates today
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 10, 2016, 08:41 PM
Anyone watched the VP debate?
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 10, 2016, 08:42 PM
I wonder how it became a bash Marcos show ... hahaha.
Parang bias ang moderators vs Marcos and a little bit against Honasan.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 10, 2016, 08:42 PM
Escudero still sounded like Escudero - I'm still not impressed, why do I feel like he is all talk only?

Honasan turned out ok. He made some very sensible comments.

Trillanes is still a bully and illogical whilst offering to break the law.

Leni was weak. She seems to have prepared some materials but once rebutted, was easily rendered speechless.

Marcos was defensive off the bat but recovered nicely. With 5 adversaries (except Honasan), he was a bit flustered at times. BTW even the audience seems to be anti Marcos.

Alan was glib and slick. He has improved tremendously from the first time he was on TV. He put on quite a show. Regardless, I still don't like him even if he is the VP of DU30.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 10, 2016, 08:44 PM
Surprisingly, Alan sounded desperate towards the end when it was brought up that allegedly DU30 is not 100% for Alan.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 10, 2016, 09:21 PM
As for the closing statements:

Honasan - ok lang
Alan - naubusan ng dialogue, remix nalang
Leni - pa cute
Bongbong - direct to the point
Trillanes - delusional pa rin, haha
Chiz - veiled attack on Alan
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: jenofstructures on Apr 11, 2016, 07:20 AM
that's blasphemy. u can tell the pope to fck off but not his holiness du30. unless u want death threats.  :D

Meron pa ngang nagbantang mangrerape ng anti Du30

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Anyone watched the VP debate?

Sayang, late ko nang nalaman..... konti lang tuloy napakinggan ko sa radio.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Apr 11, 2016, 12:00 PM
Sa tinagal tagal ni Jesse sa pulitika, di man lamang nabago ang buhay nila. Nakikitira pa rin sila sa biyenan. Simple pa rin ang buhay nya. At kahit pumasok na rin sa pulitika si Leni, ganon pa rin ang buhay nila. Siguro maganda ring grounds yun para isipin na wala nga syang bahid pulitika.
Naaalala ko si Jesse nong pista ng Penafrancia. Nakapaa lang at wala man lamang guard. Dami pamandin pogi don.

But Leni is not really about Jesse. She can stand on her own merits. She never even mentioned him during yesterday's debate.

Anyway, she killed it with her final statement - "Sa amin pong 6, may the best WOMAN win."

She packed a wallop on that one. Indirectly calling her opponents, ‘WOMEN/GIRLS’ – which most men would probably feel so slighted. Diba mga koya? The fact that wilch describes her last statement as ‘pa-cute’, hahaha, nag-uumapaw ang kamachohan! Pero ang mga ateng natin sa stage, di na nakareact, and leni’s final statement made her surge all of a sudden in the debate’s real-time scorecards (see CNNPH and Rappler). :P

But really, sa pinag-asta din naman nila in some parts of the debate, para kang nanonood ng chismosa’t palengkera, kulang na lang magdaster at curlers sila sabay magsabunutan. Hahaha. But that’s understandable naman din, kasi heat of the moment yung mga binibitiwan nilang mga salita, lalo na si Cayetano. I guess he’s not going to take it sitting down na nilalaglag sya ng mga Du30 in favour of BBM. Aside from the fact na taga-UP ito si Cayetano, by default sinusuka ng UP ang mga Marcos. Cayetano came out swinging, and really was out to get BBM who couldn't do much but nervously fake a laugh or snicker. BBM got heckled the moment he opened his mouth, and boy did he get flustered from the get go.

Napaganda rin yun sa ibang nangunguna sa survey like Chiz and Leni, they don’t have to make cheapshots to expose BBM’s biggest flaw – he’s a liar. Cayetano did it for them, unapologetically and he also came out strong dahil nga hindi sya nagpapigil at tumalak-talak sya ng harapan. He’s always been good with confrontation, kahit during senate hearings, kung mang-duro ng kausap ganun-ganun na lang. But really, is that what a VP would do in the next six years? I’m trying to picture him as VP and hindi ko pa din makita kung saan ang dapat nyang kalagyan.

In terms of substance, zero si BBM at chiz. Motherhood statements pa more. The things that came out of their mouths, mababasa mo sa mga editorial pieces ng amateur political bloggers, if not culled straight from their PR/advisers's spiels. Nakakabobo.

Honasan actually came off dignified, even if his main task was to defend Binay. Like a good soldier that he is (following his party’s order to run as VP), he was there to make sure issues against Binay are neutralized and he was able to quiet down the debate when tempers started to flare. He really is a reformed rebel. :cool2:

Trillanes, was an activist, really, living up to his image as an alternative candidate. Not going to win, but in fairness, mas may substance mangatwiran.

Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Apr 11, 2016, 12:09 PM
Meron pa ngang nagbantang mangrerape ng anti Du30

May tweet ako the other day about Mar, which got retweeted a few times. tapos dinumog na ako ng mga du30. lol.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 11, 2016, 01:42 PM
The reason I said pa "cute " last statement ni Leni was that it was obviously scripted and meant to elicit some humor. Dba yan ang technique ng public speaking to create rapport with the audience?
And why even look at rappler - thru and thru yellow colored ang rappler so no surprise. If down si Leni sa rappler, that would be the real shocker.

In truth lahat naman sila motherhood statements.

The biggest revelation is Honasan. He really came across as the best bet for VP in that "debate". He was level headed, composed and made some very sensible comments.

The reason I felt the 2 "moderators" (hostesses?) were biased against him and Bongbong is because the moderators almost always let Alan & Trillanes   had the last say even though the latter two usually initiated the attack against the prior two.
In a debate, shouldn't the rebuttal be have the last say? That is to ensure equal number of times each side can argue its respective point.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 11, 2016, 01:48 PM
SWS Mar30-Apr2 survey shows Bongbong has taken the lead in the VP race.

Will the debate change the standings?
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Apr 11, 2016, 02:36 PM
The reason I said pa "cute " last statement ni Leni was that it was obviously scripted and meant to elicit some humor. Dba yan ang technique ng public speaking to create rapport with the audience?
And why even look at rappler - thru and thru yellow colored ang rappler so no surprise. If down si Leni sa rappler, that would be the real shocker.
Lol. The men got summarily castrated in one quick blow (nobody even noticed until its all over). That was the hidden point there. and its really funny becoz men like you didnt get it, eh kase nga, ateng. lol.

rappler and CNN are the sponsor/media partners for this leg of the debate. i actually watched through cnn’s livestreaming. previous debates, digong was runaway winner in rappler voting.

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In truth lahat naman sila motherhood statements.
of course not. basahin mo yung (magiging) transcript baka magets mo na ano ang motherhood ano ang konkreto. eg., trillanes mentioned 2 autonomous regions and not comibining those two sides to solve mindanao conflict. that's the first time i heard of such a proposition. i dont know if its feasible or not, but its a new idea.. cayetano echoed the federalism idea of digong. i dont agree with that proposal but he is correct in stating we need a new approach to old problems. and bbm's? ipinila ko ang sarili kong bersyon ng bbl. he didnt even go into details which specific parts of the bbl he came up with on his own. he even claimed the "antipolitical dynasty provision" in SK law, like its such a high achievement. sa SK level lang yun. and most importantly, hindi sya nakaisip nung provision nayun. see the motherhood now? pwede rin naman nating gawin fatherhood para mas makarelate ang mga paminta... :D

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The biggest revelation is Honasan. He really came across as the best bet for VP in that "debate". He was level headed, composed and made some very sensible comments.
best bet agad agad? pero teka.. kanina ung naunang post sabi mo, honasan - ok lang

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The reason I felt the 2 "moderators" (hostesses?) were biased against him and Bongbong is because the moderators almost always let Alan & Trillanes   had the last say even though the latter two usually initiated the attack against the prior two.
In a debate, shouldn't the rebuttal be have the last say? That is to ensure equal number of times each side can argue its respective point.

sensitive ka lang para kay BBM. rebuttals allowed as long as there is a new issue that's left unanswered. kung di na makasagot ipipilit mo pa bang magrebut.

And its golden rule too, don’t talk too much if you’ve not enough facts to work with dahil lalo kang madidiin sa bawat mali mong masasabi. 3 or 4 times nagka-chance si BBM sagutin ung hidden wealth judgments na ayaw nilang ibalik, and his reply in all instances, I cannot give what I do not have.  If he expounds beyond these words, he knows he will be hammered, kaya hindi na sya nagrerebuttal. Note, he never said, they have no hidden wealth, he never denied they stole. He only said, I do not have them.
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Post by: jenofstructures on Apr 11, 2016, 02:41 PM
Kahit sa radio lang ako nakasunod, inasahan ko na si Cayetano sa kumprontasyon. During Villar's run ganyan na sya, ang galling humanap ng idadahilan. Feeling ko Duterte-Cayetano ang lihim na dinadala ng Nacionalista Party. Laki ng dinulot nilang katrapikan sa South nung biyernes. Hindi lang sa Muntinlupa yun ha
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Post by: wilch23 on Apr 11, 2016, 08:02 PM
Lol. The men got summarily castrated in one quick blow (nobody even noticed until its all over). That was the hidden point there. and its really funny becoz men like you didnt get it, eh kase nga, ateng. lol.

Where did you get the idea that nobody caught on to that joke?
I actually expected it a split sec before she finished her line.
What is funny is the illusion of girls that they are equal to men.
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Post by: wilch23 on Apr 11, 2016, 08:16 PM
Too bad there was no follow up on the point raised that the Senate subcommittee on persecution was "namumulitika lang".
Up to now, no one has dared to come out say it outright that the 2 stooges "Trilla and Alan" have personal axes to grind against the VP.

Let me say I believe Binay is dirty but then again I also believe the same apply to Trilla  and Alan albeit on a smaller scale, which may be attributable to opportunities rather than character.

So let me continue, why does Trilla hates Binay?
Because Binay left him to hang during his misadventure in the silly Oakwood mutiny. I heard Binay supposedly was supporting him until it became clear that Trilla was pretty much incompetent in planning and executing the whole affair.

Why does Alan hate Binay? BGC and its taxes.
Why does he wanted all that money in Taguig?
Why does a politician want all that money?

Yan ang real reasons for the Senate show. They just happened to go up against a guy with plenty of skeletons. So let them destroy each other.

And wasn't Cayetano (the father) a crony underling of Enrile during the time of then President Marcos? So who says he didn't dip his fingers in the cookie jar? Why nobody dare to point this out to Alan is beyond me. Maybe he has become a real "bad bully " that nobody wants to cross now.

One thing he has going for him (same with Trilla) is he's got nothing to lose.
He is not expected to win as VP anyway.
The odds are he's not going to win either.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 11, 2016, 08:22 PM
Kahit sa radio lang ako nakasunod, inasahan ko na si Cayetano sa kumprontasyon. During Villar's run ganyan na sya, ang galling humanap ng idadahilan. Feeling ko Duterte-Cayetano ang lihim na dinadala ng Nacionalista Party. Laki ng dinulot nilang katrapikan sa South nung biyernes. Hindi lang sa Muntinlupa yun ha

What if DU30 is really for Marcos but doesn't want Alan picking on him so officially si Alan ang pinili nya?
Anyway wala naman block voting sa Pinoy.
Kelan ba nanalo ang magkakampi President and VP?
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Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 11, 2016, 08:24 PM
Nothing against the ladies, just imagine poe wins the presidency and robredo gets vp. Its gonna be the first in the world i think

Btw, feminists might actually vote poe- robredo combo... Hehe

For me that was a very witty punchline. If gender is reversed, the male candidate throwing that similar type of 'pinch-line' will be considered sexist or male chauvinist. Lol...

Last btw, it would be fun to make our hula whos gona win pres-vp combo, taking aside personal preference. Hope may ganung thread. I think its gonna poe-robredo or poe-bbm

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Post by: wilch23 on Apr 11, 2016, 08:27 PM

sensitive ka lang para kay BBM. rebuttals allowed as long as there is a new issue that's left unanswered. kung di na makasagot ipipilit mo pa bang magrebut.

Might be true. But they did allow Alan to keep talking more than the others. Truth be told, Alan always wanted to put in the last word even if it was only to repeat what he had already said. But that's just me.

And its golden rule too, don’t talk too much if you’ve not enough facts to work with dahil lalo kang madidiin sa bawat mali mong masasabi.

Not quite, as long as you speak forcefully forceful and keep repeating the lies ... Hail Goebbels. That seems to be the strategy of some of them, one just needs to practice it and soon enough he will be a brazen liar.

Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 11, 2016, 08:41 PM
As for the closing statements:

Honasan - ok lang


The biggest revelation is Honasan. He really came across as the best bet for VP in that "debate". He was level headed, composed and made some very sensible comments.



best bet agad agad? pero teka.. kanina ung naunang post sabi mo, honasan - ok lang


Thank you for pointing that out.
If you noticed, my "ok lang" comment was made right after the "debate", meaning my initial impression.

After talking to some people about the whole thing and thinking a little more about what happened, I made my comment today. So what's the big fuss?
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Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 11, 2016, 08:45 PM
From a tweeettttt

Probably going through Robredo's mind the whole debate: CAN I SAY MY BEST WOMAN LINE NOW CAN I CAN I WHAT'S TAKING SO LONG CAN SAY IT NOW...

Lol
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Post by: wilch23 on Apr 11, 2016, 08:47 PM
From a tweeettttt

Probably going through Robredo's mind the whole debate: CAN I SAY MY BEST WOMAN LINE NOW CAN I CAN I WHAT'S TAKING SO LONG CAN SAY IT NOW...

Lol

uhOh, Male Chauvinist Pig Alert!
Brace yourself for the feminist backlash!
Hahhaha
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Post by: jenofstructures on Apr 12, 2016, 07:07 AM
I think its gonna poe-robredo or poe-bbm

Hulanalysis ko Poe-BBM or Duterte-BBM
My gulay, pero di ko pa rin iboboto si BBM


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Post by: wilch23 on Apr 13, 2016, 09:09 AM
Bakit ang mga magaling - either you love them or you hate them?

Katulad sa basketball - Jordan, Kobe, Lebron

Hmmm, si Curry lang ata walang real haters - mabait naman kasi talaga.
Go Warriors!
OOoops, OT
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Post by: wilch23 on Apr 13, 2016, 09:43 AM
Who let the dogs out?!
Seems like Alan send in the dogs.
Word is that the hecklers who started right off the bat barking at Bongbong are brought in by Alan.

Pero syempre walang hard evidence pa.
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Post by: jenofstructures on Apr 13, 2016, 10:11 AM
Bakit ang mga magaling - either you love them or you hate them?

Katulad sa basketball - Jordan, Kobe, Lebron

Hmmm, si Curry lang ata walang real haters - mabait naman kasi talaga.
Go Warriors!
OOoops, OT

Ako hater ni Curry.... Well, kasi #forever Duncan fan ako.... Batrip nung nanalo ang GS vs Spurs sa home court  OT rin to wahahaha
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Post by: bauer on Apr 13, 2016, 10:40 AM
Nothing against the ladies, just imagine poe wins the presidency and robredo gets vp. Its gonna be the first in the world i think

Btw, feminists might actually vote poe- robredo combo... Hehe

 
 

WHY NOT?

WOMEN ARE LESS CORRUPT THAN MEN.

MORE COMPASSIONATE THAN MEN.

DO MORE IN ACTION THAN MEN.

YOUNGER (and looks slimmer too) THAN THE OTHER BETS.  Huwag na itsura, hands down panalo na sila hahaha.
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Post by: bauer on Apr 13, 2016, 10:48 AM
^^fun and ironic politics...

Marcos haters hate Martial Law and corruption.

Marcos haters hate cronies like Danding Cojuanco...

Danding Cojuanco has super ties with Grace Poe.

Some Marcos haters will vote Grace Poe.

Marcos haters who will vote for Grace Poe is into an infinite logical loop... Lol

^What can we do?  It's Philippine politics.  We need to choose leaders found on the table. Nothing else but limit the risk whom to vote for.

DU30 is supported by ZAMORAS and ONGPIN.  2 Marcos cronies.

Marcos almost decimated the RICH GUYS during his time in power and PLENTY OF RICH GUYS TODAY are former Marcos cronies.
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Post by: Ironkiwi on Apr 13, 2016, 11:35 AM
Kapag nahangal si BBM ay nahalal pala, nakakahiya tayo sa ibang bansa. Isinuka na ang mga Marcoses ngayon ibabalik?
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Post by: Ironkiwi on Apr 13, 2016, 11:54 AM
^What can we do?  It's Philippine politics.  We need to choose leaders found on the table. Nothing else but limit the risk whom to vote for.

DU30 is supported by ZAMORAS and ONGPIN.  2 Marcos cronies.

Marcos almost decimated the RICH GUYS during his time in power and PLENTY OF RICH GUYS TODAY are former Marcos cronies.
Sir Bauer
In Philippines Politics No permanent Friends and Enemies but have permanent Interest, tsk tsk tsk
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Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 13, 2016, 12:12 PM
^What can we do?  It's Philippine politics.  We need to choose leaders found on the table. Nothing else but limit the risk whom to vote for.

DU30 is supported by ZAMORAS and ONGPIN.  2 Marcos cronies.

Marcos almost decimated the RICH GUYS during his time in power and PLENTY OF RICH GUYS TODAY are former Marcos cronies.



Because some of your posts against Duterte distributing vague information (biggest example is your post about contractualization)to malign him, whether its intentional, or not, you lose some credibility.

So readers should be skeptical, especially with claims not supported in your quoted post..

Your reply is not good to rebut  "Marcos haters who will vote for Grace Poe is into an infinite logical loop".

Granting your claim is true, what does Duterte have to do with your argument? You should instead search for candidates who are not supported by Marcos cronies.

Are all candidates supported by Marcos cronies?

Unless you want to also claim Roxas is supported by Marcos cronies. Unless you also want to claim Santiago is supported by Marcos cronies.

I hope you get the groove. 

So, Marcos hater supporting Poe who is obviously supported by Danding committed logical breakdown. tamaan wag pong magalit.
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Post by: jenofstructures on Apr 13, 2016, 12:15 PM
Kapag nahangal si BBM ay nahalal pala, nakakahiya tayo sa ibang bansa. Isinuka na ang mga Marcoses ngayon ibabalik?

Pag nanalo kayang president, or kahit bise na lang muna si BBM, pahihintulutan kaya ang selebrasyon ng EDSA uno?

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Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 13, 2016, 12:16 PM
Sir Bauer
In Philippines Politics No permanent Friends and Enemies but have permanent Interest, tsk tsk tsk

I agree to this. But if you are a real Marcos hater, dont you hate Marcos cronies as well?

And if you hate Marcos cronies, will you vote for candidate who is supported by Marcos cronies?

Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: bauer on Apr 13, 2016, 02:31 PM


Because some of your posts against Duterte distributing vague information (biggest example is your post about contractualization)to malign him, whether its intentional, or not, you lose some credibility.

So readers should be skeptical, especially with claims not supported in your quoted post..

 

^DU30 made conflicting statements on CONTRACTUALIZATION on different time and places.  It is public news.

I am just asking for CLARITY.  Maybe you can help answer it with a final statement by DU30 with regards to his labor policy specifically on "contractualization".
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: bauer on Apr 13, 2016, 02:37 PM


 
Are all candidates supported by Marcos cronies?

Unless you want to also claim Roxas is supported by Marcos cronies. Unless you also want to claim Santiago is supported by Marcos cronies.

I hope you get the groove. 

So, Marcos hater supporting Poe who is obviously supported by Danding committed logical breakdown. tamaan wag pong magalit.


^Santiago is definitely supported by MARCOS, its well known Isn't it?

Roxas and Binay supported by Marcos cronies just like Poe and Duterte, Maybe...... most likely..... only we do not have public knowledge on it yet.

You see Marcos stayed in power for over 2 decades, he got a lot of cronies and friends in businesses and a lot of those people are still one of the RICHES families in our country.

Let us concentrate our guns on what the candidates are saying in public.  The record they stand and the actual things they do so we can established a convincing support statement on our chosen bets.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 13, 2016, 03:14 PM
^Santiago is definitely supported by MARCOS, its well known Isn't it?

Roxas and Binay supported by Marcos cronies just like Poe and Duterte, Maybe...... most likely..... only we do not have public knowledge on it yet.

You see Marcos stayed in power for over 2 decades, he got a lot of cronies and friends in businesses and a lot of those people are still one of the RICHES families in our country.

Let us concentrate our guns on what the candidates are saying in public.  The record they stand and the actual things they do so we can established a convincing support statement on our chosen bets.

Tsktsk boss bauer.... Im still waiting for you to substantiate your claim regarding ongpin and zamora duterte....From unsupported claim to more assumptions and speculations...

 A credible person slowly is becoming a liability, just to support his argument.

Bauer, oh bauer...
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 13, 2016, 10:26 PM
Reminder:

VP Thread eto, not President.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: bauer on Apr 14, 2016, 12:55 PM
Tsktsk boss bauer.... Im still waiting for you to substantiate your claim regarding ongpin and zamora duterte....From unsupported claim to more assumptions and speculations...

 A credible person slowly is becoming a liability, just to support his argument.

Bauer, oh bauer...

^ YOu mentioned that POE is supported by Danding (a crony of Marcos) and I did not deny it.

I mentioned that DU30 is supported by Zamora (Nickel mines) and Ongpin (Alphaland) and you want it to be substantiated?  I thought you are a loyal Duterte supporter (you should know your candidate better).  Please go to PSE and people will tell you who are the big businessmen supporting him.  It is known in the financial world.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: bauer on Apr 14, 2016, 12:57 PM
Reminder:

VP Thread eto, not President.

^Point taken. dapat lumipat kami ni GS sa kabilang thread.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: bauer on Apr 15, 2016, 10:34 AM
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Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 15, 2016, 01:11 PM
Among Martial Law babies 35-44 yrs old voters, the leading candidate is Bongbong - SWS

Many think this is because the government administrations after Marcos were mostly pathetic and performed even worse.
So while they may not think of FM as a hero, they tend to think of the others as villains.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 15, 2016, 02:00 PM
Among Martial Law babies 35-44 yrs old voters, the leading candidate is Bongbong - SWS

Many think this is because the government administrations after Marcos were mostly pathetic and performed even worse.
So while they may not think of FM as a hero, they tend to think of the others as villains.

Makes sense.

Kaya another viewpoint to the commentary : "philippines will become a laughingstock if Marcos win" can be...

"It will be a big wild in your face slap to previous adminstrations' faces if Marcos wins", meaning they are worse than Marcos.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 15, 2016, 06:28 PM
Sounds right except for the laughingstock part.
If USA can vote GW Bush into the White House why should ....
Mas bobo pa yon.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: TulogSaPancitan on Apr 16, 2016, 02:00 AM
Among Martial Law babies 35-44 yrs old voters, the leading candidate is Bongbong - SWS

Many think this is because the government administrations after Marcos were mostly pathetic and performed even worse.
So while they may not think of FM as a hero, they tend to think of the others as villains.

my take is that this is miseducation. the universities did not take history seriously.  yes u are right, others president looks like villains becoz there are so much open criticism. while during fm, those critics are long dead. the history books only mildly criticize fm and martial rule. 
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: freefront on Apr 16, 2016, 05:11 AM
^Walan hilig sa history ang mga Pinoy. Pero pag tinignan mo ang record ng mga despot, dictators, etc., ang mga anak nila learned sitting on the knees of those dictators AND THEN SOME on their own. Example: Bongbong growing up like they owned the Philippines + PDAF, the son of Assad of Syria plus lessons from modern day terrorists and the tactics of Israel, that son of a North Korean so and so, and a lot more.

If there is a Marcos worth the reputation of Ferdinand, they should have thrown Imee in the ring. You should have seen that girl during her Kabataang Baranggay days. She made Ferdinand proud :) Oy di mas madale nila mabawi lahat ng tinago nilang kulimbat. Dahil totoo naman yata na wala kay bongbong ang kwarta. Nasa mga beneficiaries ni Imee.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: pulubing_palaboy on Apr 16, 2016, 05:39 AM
^^kung walang kwarta si bongbong galing sa kinulimbat nila during martial law,
ang pera ni bongbong galing sa sariling kulimbat niya since naging public servant siya?
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 16, 2016, 08:46 AM
Ya, only politicians learn history well. They know they will get away with corruption. So they continue to do so. And those numbers, may be bigger than what marcoses have accumulated.

Thats the thing, corruption is highlighted in dictatorship while corrupt officials now hiding under the mask of democracy. Talo sa hide and seek ang dictators. Magaling mag hide yun mga ngayon.

Btw, Hi to the late Mr. Lee Kuan Yew. 

Im just showing the other side of the coin.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 16, 2016, 11:34 AM
my take is that this is miseducation. the universities did not take history seriously.  yes u are right, others president looks like villains becoz there are so much open criticism. while during fm, those critics are long dead. the history books only mildly criticize fm and martial rule.

That is so untrue.
I lived thru the Martial Law years as a thinking, discerning person - I'm over 44 y/o
Since we are not oligarchs nor depend on govt contracts and positions, we were not anti Marcos. I distinctly remember how the adults (parents to us n our friends) were so glad the anarchy was suppressed and some form of discipline was at last being practiced.

I understand the latter years were bad, but that is not all because of Marcos/Imelda, ok more from Imelda. What I'm saying is that while we have a free press now, it is a bane not a boon. Why? because the press really does act like a bully also. It is just as corrupt as the other branches of govt.

Anyone noticed how the moderators in the VP forum took exception and argued with one of the VP candidates when this was brought up?

The same view might be shared for these "Martial Law babies".
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 16, 2016, 11:39 AM
Disclosure:

Let me qualify pala, I do have a cousin, older than me, who was an activist.
He was picked up after Martial Law and detained for some time.
At the time, we didn't know where he was taken.
Later, after his release, he told us he was manhandled.

He was anti-Marcos.
But guess what, he was anti all the administrations that came after Marcos also, haha.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 17, 2016, 05:09 PM
:applause:
CAYETANO: BRAINS AND MODERATION.

 :huh:   :thumbsdow

I have to admit, medyo may brains na sya lately, pero moderation?

What moderation? Desperado lang
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 17, 2016, 05:32 PM
Why is there a survey via mobile phone?
Is this via voice call or SMS?

Napaka non scientific naman ng SWS.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: Jasonandallo1st on Apr 17, 2016, 09:06 PM
(http://rodlle.com/assets/uploads/2016/02/duterte-cayetano.jpg)

BREAKING NEWS: G12 Christian Group Supports Duterte-Cayetano Pair

CEBU, Philippines - A group with 7,000 strong Evangelical Christian churches in the country manifested its support for the Duterte-Cayetano tandem in a meeting yesterday attended by Senator Alan Peter Cayetano.

Bishop Oriel Ballano, national coordinator of G12 and founder of Doulos for Christ World Harvest Ministry, believed that it is the obligation of the Christians to select the right leaders, not necessarily a perfect person but somebody who can deliver the goods that the country needs.

“As Christians, we have an obligation not just to vote but also to campaign for the right people,” Ballano said in an interview.

G12 or Government of 12, is a Christian movement that envisions national transformation.

“We believed that Christians in the Philippines bring transformation and change. Because transformation starts from God and we do that in national scope,” Ballano added.

Cayetano for his part said they presented their platform of government to the group.

“Pinakita namin ang aming plataporma at nagustuhan naman nila lalo na iyong peace and order and regional economic growth or federalism,” he said.

The tandem’s nationwide tour dubbed as “Hamon ng Pagbabago” is covering major cities, provinces, and different sectors in the country.

Last week, the two were in Cebu for the launching of their platform of government.
Yesterday’s meeting of G12 was held at Shangri-La’s Mactan Resort and Spa in Cebu.

— Credited to (FREEMAN)



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Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 18, 2016, 08:55 AM
Marcos pa rin
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 18, 2016, 09:26 AM
How can "Daang Matuwid" be a NICKNAME???!!

AND how can it be the nicknames of BOTH Mar AND Leni?!?!?
And since LENI must have sign off on it (naka pirma syempre sya sa COC nya etc), is she now on a win AT ALL COST mode na rin?

Isn't that a TRAPO trait?
Be very careful of these new to politics "clean" ones, kulang lang yan sa opportunities.

COMELEC approved the outrageous move of LP.
Dba obvious na ang BIAS ng COMELEC?
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 18, 2016, 09:29 AM
The VCMs must the machinery LP is crowing about.
Is that how they expect to win in the counting?
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 18, 2016, 08:32 PM
COMELEC declares that unsanctioned debates (by COMELEC of course) air on TV will be counted against the allowable TV air time of the candidates who participated.

Hmmm ... in hind sight, good move pala ang ginawa ni Bongbong and Honasan in not participating in that ABS CBN VP show.

That show is 2 hours long with >40 mins of ads daw.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: bauer on Apr 19, 2016, 01:10 PM
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Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: jenofstructures on Apr 19, 2016, 02:37 PM
COMELEC declares that unsanctioned debates (by COMELEC of course) air on TV will be counted against the allowable TV air time of the candidates who participated.

Hmmm ... in hind sight, good move pala ang ginawa ni Bongbong and Honasan in not participating in that ABS CBN VP show.

That show is 2 hours long with >40 mins of ads daw.


Akala ko nga walang gagawin ang COMELEC sa programa na yan nang dos. Di ba nga sabi isa lang ang debate sa vice presidency? Meron pamandin na-circulate na memorandum sa lahat ng media outfit regarding sa pagbanggit, o paglitaw ng mga tatakbo sa mga programa nila
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 20, 2016, 09:32 AM
Has SWS lost all integrity?
What's with the Mobile Survey using cellphones?
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 20, 2016, 09:34 AM
ABS CBN commissioned Pulse Asia survey show the leading VP candidates as Bongbong Marcos.

Hmm ... ABS, Lopez ... interesting
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: bauer on Apr 20, 2016, 01:06 PM
Has SWS lost all integrity?
What's with the Mobile Survey using cellphones?

^Mr. Mangahas stated in detail about their cutting edge mobile survey and it looks fast, efficient, and updated in real time than actual face to face interview.

It is similar to the TV ratings survey where rating agencies gives out gadgets connected to TV sets for monitoring of TV shows being watched by viewers.

In the case of SWS, they give out cellphones equipped with a customized survey APPS.  After the election, participants will get to keep the phones.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 20, 2016, 04:01 PM
^Mr. Mangahas stated in detail about their cutting edge mobile survey and it looks fast, efficient, and updated in real time than actual face to face interview.

It is similar to the TV ratings survey where rating agencies gives out gadgets connected to TV sets for monitoring of TV shows being watched by viewers.

In the case of SWS, they give out cellphones equipped with a customized survey APPS.  After the election, participants will get to keep the phones.

For this type of surveys, random sampling of the population is a must.
I still consider this a farce.

Sa bagay, most of their survey are jokes anyway.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 20, 2016, 04:08 PM
Ginawang NICKNAME ang "Daang Matuwid"??!!

How can BOTH Mar AND Leni have the SAME NICKNAME?!?!?
And since LENI must have sign off on it (naka pirma syempre sya sa COC nya etc), AT ALL COST rin pala?

Isn't that a TRAPO trait?
Be very careful of these new to politics "clean" ones, kulang lang yan sa opportunities.

COMELEC approved the outrageous move of LP.
BIAS ang COMELEC?
WIth Matching YELLOW HIGHLIGHTS sa "sample ballots"

Bakit nga ba DAAN lang may sample ballot?
s MAR tmatic kasi?
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: jenofstructures on Apr 20, 2016, 06:48 PM
Binabago daw yung mga boto ng mga Pinoy sa Japan. Nagiging Mar daw yung nabibilang sa boto nila
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 21, 2016, 08:19 AM
You mean DAYA NG MATUWID pala!?!?!?

Why am I not surprised?
Very devious talaga yan MarNoy-LP, lalo na yung mga shadows dyan na BigBOY and aBAD, dba?
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 21, 2016, 08:27 AM
Has SWS lost all integrity?
What's with the Mobile Survey using cellphones?

^Mr. Mangahas stated in detail about their cutting edge mobile survey and it looks fast, efficient, and updated in real time than actual face to face interview.

It is similar to the TV ratings survey where rating agencies gives out gadgets connected to TV sets for monitoring of TV shows being watched by viewers.

In the case of SWS, they give out cellphones equipped with a customized survey APPS.  After the election, participants will get to keep the phones.

For this type of surveys, random sampling of the population is a must.
I still consider this a farce.

Sa bagay, most of their survey are jokes anyway.

Going senile na ba si Mang ahas?
Giving out free cell phones makes it even worse!
Outright show of influencing the subjects of the "survey"
Baka sure-vey pala yan?
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 22, 2016, 11:20 AM
Why is it ok for Kris Aquino to use the Presidential Helicopter to campaign for LP MaR Leni?

Noy - Pwede daw maki sakay sister of president sa helicopter ng Office of the president.

For POLITICAL CAMPAIGNING?!?!?!
Pati nga si NOy mali rin and ginagawa.
Another form of corruption din eto!

Do we hear LENI????
Selective din ba - ala NoyLP?
Pati sa nickname nya "Daang Matuwid", dumb and mute din si LENI
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: jenofstructures on Apr 22, 2016, 11:32 AM
Alam ko nasa batas na bawal gamitin ang mga vehicles during election period for election/campaigning purposes. Matatawa ka sa dahilan ni kuya. Si baby sis naman daw ang may pinakamalaking tax na binabayaran.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 22, 2016, 01:01 PM
Hmmm ...

Since maliit lang nabayad kong tax compared to Kristeta,

Bukas gamitin ko lang yung fire truck, hiram din lang naman, for joyride na rin.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 24, 2016, 09:52 AM
LENI Campaigned in Cebu with LP
Afterwards, Barangay Officials were asked to "pledge" the number votes they can deliver.
Then, as "attendance record" they must sign off after receiving 5000 pesos each

DESPERATION?
Or Carelessness lang?
Or CALLOUS na?

Ano nga ba ang VOTE BUYING?
At btw dba apolitical daw ang barangay officials?

YELLOW YELLOW YELLOW
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 24, 2016, 10:45 AM
LENI Campaigned in Cebu with LP
Afterwards, Barangay Officials were asked to "pledge" the number votes they can deliver.
Then, as "attendance record" they must sign off after receiving 5000 pesos each

DESPERATION?
Or Carelessness lang?
Or CALLOUS na?

Ano nga ba ang VOTE BUYING?
At btw dba apolitical daw ang barangay officials?

YELLOW YELLOW YELLOW

You know what, I might eventually settle for marcos than cayetano. Do-the-math-voting malamang ang gagawin ko sa vp  para mapigilan yang yellow na yan.

I know its bleak, but in case du30 wins, and in case Leni wins, I smell impeachment, which is a very political process. lol
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: jenofstructures on Apr 25, 2016, 06:52 AM
^^^^Ang alam ko bawal sumangkot muna sa eleksyon ang mga tiga barangay... o baka mali lang ako ng pagkakaintindi sa kalalabas lamang na notice nila?

Of all vp, si Leni pa?
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: jenofstructures on Apr 25, 2016, 06:54 AM
Feeling ko magulo tong presidential election na to. Hindi kasi malaki ang margin ng bawat isa maliban na lang kay MDS at sa Undecided voters

Hay Miriam... Hindi mo man lamang inabot ang katandaan ni Enrile bago ang detrimental ng intelligence.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 25, 2016, 08:49 AM
Leni leads in latest vp survey. (statistically tied actually, with BBM)

Pacquiao number 3 na! (couldnt find the pacquiao thread)
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 25, 2016, 01:58 PM
Leni leads in latest vp survey. (statistically tied actually, with BBM)

Pacquiao number 3 na! (couldnt find the pacquiao thread)

SWS? Mobile? Joke?

Pulse Asia survey result today has Bongbong extanding his lead with Chiz falling into the 3rd spot. Leni is in 2nd. LP needs to buy more votes.
Is that what LP meant by machinery?
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 25, 2016, 02:28 PM
http://www.rappler.com/nation/politics/elections/2016/130671-sws-vice-presidential-senate-survey-april-18-20

According sa sws survey yun post ko.

As to whether sws is a joke or not, kayo na bahala... Hehehe
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 25, 2016, 07:12 PM
^^^^Ang alam ko bawal sumangkot muna sa eleksyon ang mga tiga barangay... o baka mali lang ako ng pagkakaintindi sa kalalabas lamang na notice nila?

Of all vp, si Leni pa?

Malakas maka hawa ang LP?
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 25, 2016, 07:15 PM
http://www.rappler.com/nation/politics/elections/2016/130671-sws-vice-presidential-senate-survey-april-18-20

According sa sws survey yun post ko.

As to whether sws is a joke or not, kayo na bahala... Hehehe

Rappler is also all out YELLOW.
That, in my book, means they're just a shout out, not credible as news media.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 26, 2016, 09:10 AM
SWS LP trying hard to project Leni as winner for vP.

Setting the stage for "Vote Counting"??!
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 27, 2016, 08:49 PM
Leni is "see no evil, hear no evil" at this time.
LP-SWS manipulating data to show her ascend - what a gigantic crap of work!

Latest SWS "survey" that shows Leni tied with Bongbong has a special new feature.
Responses received from the "survey" were subject to validation.
How?

Well, instead of just asking the respondent to select a candidate and writing down the result, SWS opted to let the respondent mark a paper "ballot".
These "ballots" were later "validated" with some rejected as "spoiled ballots"
And who has exclusive right to validate the results?
At least 7 % were rejected.
Guess whose votes were rejected.

Ano yan?! Practice for "counting" the votes on Election Day?!!
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 28, 2016, 09:27 AM
LENI is the WINNER ...
      as     BIGGEST SPENDER among the VP Candidates!

Wow na wow!

So new
      SO Young
            So Cor.....
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 28, 2016, 09:28 AM
And worse for LENI

She has American Citizens and companies as donors!!!
With her knowledge?
Mga Friends nya yan na based in the USA

Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 28, 2016, 09:29 AM
Saan kaya galing ang pang gastos ni Leni?
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 28, 2016, 10:01 AM
???????

(http://s5.postimg.org/y3e9m7lh3/leni_robredo_smile_husband_coffin.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
image hosting 10mb limit (http://postimage.org/)
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Post by: jenofstructures on Apr 28, 2016, 11:36 AM
alam ba ni Leni yan? E mas maraming ad si Cayetano
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: freefront on Apr 28, 2016, 09:34 PM
wow GS, even if that photo wasn't a masterfully done photoshop, you would suspect you'd vomit in your own throat for posting that. Good job  :applause:
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 29, 2016, 10:01 PM
Photoshopped?
Dba sa funeral ni Jessie yan?

The question is, what is the message for posting it?
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 29, 2016, 10:03 PM
Do not be a rabid supporter for any of the candidates.
They couldn't care less about you after the election.

All the candidates will be chummy or at least civil toward each other after the election.
However the supporters who went overboard may be treated differently.

Yan ang usual aftermath.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 29, 2016, 10:04 PM
Sabi ng friend ko, Bongbong VP nya para daw hindi ma impeach si DU30.
Hahhaha
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 29, 2016, 10:05 PM
Honestly dumadami ang boboto kay Leni.
Down the wire ata eto.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 30, 2016, 01:31 PM
Came from the market earlier:
Posted on the Market Wall = ROXAS LENI - I guess the owner is pro LP or pwede rin did so to avoid harassment.

However most of the stalls has DU30 stickers/posters
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: ghanie on Apr 30, 2016, 01:46 PM
BBM daw ieendorso ng INC? True ba to?
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on May 01, 2016, 11:20 AM
No official word from INC yet.
But "news" on the ground indicates so.

But the real battle is still after the election.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on May 01, 2016, 11:21 AM
After the election kasi only then ...

Will we see the power os sMARmatic LP Magic at work.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on May 01, 2016, 11:23 AM
Data Stolen from COMELEC.

These data are already in the hands of multiple entities - SCARY.

A COMELEC commish said no worry, it can't be used for flying voters, mahirap daw and not practical. Can somebody please kick his butt?!
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on May 01, 2016, 11:25 AM
First off it can be used for non election related crime and mischief.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on May 01, 2016, 11:27 AM
AND for ELECTION mischief and CHEATING.

Memory cards with pre-installed votes with voters info (obtained from these data) can be prepared and then substituted as the genuine stuff for "vote counting"
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on May 01, 2016, 11:38 AM
Did DU30 flip flop on having BPI Accounts?
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on May 01, 2016, 11:41 AM
News says - More Cavite and Bicol Pols Expressed Support for DU30.

Turns out it was more of the Pols seeking endorsement from DU30!
They probably found out that voters in their area are ALREADY for DU30.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on May 01, 2016, 11:41 AM
Does DU30 really own 41 properties?
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on May 01, 2016, 11:43 AM
ROXAS is really all GUNS ablaze now on DU30
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on May 01, 2016, 11:46 AM
How tragic will it be for MAR if Binay should win because MAR destroyed DU30's reputation?
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: sinagpower on May 01, 2016, 11:55 AM
Robredo
I don't really like Leni as a VP, but if I have to vote for her to prevent BBM from becoming VP then I will
I'm tired of being offered sincerity and honesty - those should be a given
BUT having BBM is 100x worst than getting sincere & honest  incompetence

nothing personal Mrs Robredo
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on May 01, 2016, 04:01 PM
Well, Bongbong is sincere din naman
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on May 01, 2016, 04:03 PM
Robredo
I don't really like Leni as a VP, but if I have to vote for her to prevent BBM from becoming VP then I will
I'm tired of being offered sincerity and honesty - those should be a given
BUT having BBM is 100x worst than getting sincere & honest  incompetence

nothing personal Mrs Robredo

Why don't you like her?
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on May 01, 2016, 04:05 PM
Robredo
I don't really like Leni as a VP, but if I have to vote for her to prevent BBM from becoming VP then I will
I'm tired of being offered sincerity and honesty - those should be a given
BUT having BBM is 100x worst than getting sincere & honest  incompetence

nothing personal Mrs Robredo

Why don't you like her?

And why not Bongbong?
Did someone put a yellow ribbon inside your brain too?
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: sinagpower on May 01, 2016, 04:51 PM
hi wilch

i dont like her as VP because she doesn't have experience ( parang si cory)
weve been there and done that electing because they are honest and sincere
diba dapat given na yun? diba ok kung competent and experience and has a vision?

im actually old bro and have lived through the Marcos era, it was hard to put it mildly
google is your friend - that is a privilege we have now

http://www.forbes.com/2004/03/25/cx_vc_corruptslide_2.html

The World's All-Time Most Corrupt Leaders - marcos is number 2
we have 2 out of the top 10 :-(

maybe because we don't remember our past?


the outside world looked up to us when we, as a nation, had an unarmed revolution
it really seems like bad decision to bring his son to power after they raped our nation for 20 years

well we get what we deserve

"Those who do not remember their past are condemned to repeat their mistakes"

peace bro

have nothing against you - just wishing what is good for our nation and our children
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on May 01, 2016, 06:43 PM
hi wilch

i dont like her as VP because she doesn't have experience ( parang si cory)
weve been there and done that electing because they are honest and sincere
diba dapat given na yun? diba ok kung competent and experience and has a vision?

im actually old bro and have lived through the Marcos era, it was hard to put it mildly
google is your friend - that is a privilege we have now

http://www.forbes.com/2004/03/25/cx_vc_corruptslide_2.html

The World's All-Time Most Corrupt Leaders - marcos is number 2
we have 2 out of the top 10 :-(

maybe because we don't remember our past?


the outside world looked up to us when we, as a nation, had an unarmed revolution
it really seems like bad decision to bring his son to power after they raped our nation for 20 years

well we get what we deserve

"Those who do not remember their past are condemned to repeat their mistakes"

peace bro

have nothing against you - just wishing what is good for our nation and our children

You know what?
I'm over 50 myself and lived thru it as well.
Can't really say it was much worse then than now.

Maybe it's because I wasn't an activist nor was our family doing business with the govt.
Not getting dole outs either.

With age and hindsight, it seems like over hyped ng yellow army and its oligarch BFFs
Even the failed economy was very much influenced by economic sabotage (by our very own  "progressive" Filipinos ) and the devious US Arab scheme of easy loan via their accursed Petro Dollars.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: TulogSaPancitan on May 02, 2016, 12:22 AM
bbm may have a real chance as vp. well, my middle finger to all of ph. certified masokista.
i stopped additional investment and remittance in ph. my little gesture of disgust.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: GoodSteward on May 02, 2016, 12:41 AM
bbm may have a real chance as vp. well, my middle finger to all of ph. certified masokista.
i stopped additional investment and remittance in ph. my little gesture of disgust.

Congrats to you.
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on May 04, 2016, 07:22 PM
ETO na!!!

sMAR tied with Grace na daw ???!
Leni tied with Bongbong???!

YARI na ELECTION 2016!!!
Tapos an ang Counting ni sMAR matic!?
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: sinagpower on May 04, 2016, 08:15 PM
http://sa.kapamilya.com/absnews/abscbnnews/media/2016/nation2/05/03/final-vp-survey.jpg

Stop BBM! :-)
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on May 06, 2016, 09:19 PM
Did Leni really say she'll resign as VP (in case DAYAANG MATUWID partially succeeds only) should DU30 wins the presidency?
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on May 09, 2016, 10:56 AM
How is DAYANG MATUWID coming along?
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: TulogSaPancitan on May 09, 2016, 12:19 PM
How is DAYANG MATUWID coming along?


pretty good i suppose. that's according to all the trashy blogs and webpages posted by my fantards fb friends (unfortunately).
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: jenofstructures on May 10, 2016, 06:58 AM
hindi pa tapos ang laban, huring baraha ng mga dilaw si robredo kapag nanalo sa pagka bise....
Title: Re: Survey: Who will you vote for as VICE-PRESIDENT in the 2016 elections?
Post by: wilch23 on May 10, 2016, 06:43 PM
Transfer to VOTE COUNTING THREAD