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Title: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: binsyo on Apr 25, 2014, 06:39 PM
The next Philippine National Elections is roughly 24 months away from now.

Ngayon palang, dalawang pangalan na ang nangangamoy para sa susunod na mamumuno sa pagbubulsa sa kaban ng bayan, pagaalipusta sa karapatan ng ordinaryong mamamayan, pagtatago sa katotohanan, panonood habang minamanipula ng iba ang ating pamahalaan, este, mamumuno sa kaunlaran pala, sabi ni Batman.

Jejomar Binay versus Mar Roxas   :dont: :think: :thumbsdow

Binay for President:

Roxas for President:
The lists are just samples. Marami pa silang achievements and rewards.  :rofl: If anyone here has some additions, please feel free to share.

Ang tanong, wala na bang iba? Please naman, baka may taga-PMT dito na gusto maging Presidente mag-step up na kayo!  :clap:  :idol:

But seriously, sino kaya sa tingin ninyo ang pwede maging President?  :huh:
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Post by: INDO on Apr 25, 2014, 06:48 PM
baka si ERAP tatakbo uli, nagbunga yung pag punta nya sa hongkong simula na ng pogi points yun :)

how about LACSON for president?
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Post by: agui on Apr 25, 2014, 10:49 PM
How about M.D. Santiago?
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Post by: palailai on Apr 26, 2014, 08:24 AM
Mayor Duterte ng Davao puede!
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Post by: dideg on Apr 26, 2014, 08:56 AM
gibo....one more time...
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Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 26, 2014, 09:44 AM
gibo....one more time...
He just got elected as BDO director! Ü
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Post by: Wills on Apr 26, 2014, 10:36 AM
GORDON
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Post by: Prospera on May 01, 2014, 08:57 AM
How about Grace Poe? I understand she ranks second in the latest Pulse Asia survery, with 15% versus Binay's 40%.

Hindi ba tayo dapat mangamba sa posibilidad na masayang lahat ng kasalukuyang ginagawa ng Pnoy administration laban sa corruption kung mahalal na pangulo si Binay?  :help:
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Post by: pulubing_palaboy on May 01, 2014, 09:53 AM
^^ dapat mangamba
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Post by: freefront on May 01, 2014, 11:44 AM
gibo....one more time...

Make the Best Happen  :D


GORDON

+1

Mayor Duterte ng Davao puede!

or anybody who has the gumption to do an Angelo Reyes--->on a threat of dishonor, he gets to shoot himself  :watchuthink:
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: binsyo on May 01, 2014, 04:52 PM
Forty percent of 1,200 Filipinos queried on their first choice for next president named Vice President Jejomar Binay if the election were held now, according to a poll conducted last March by Pulse Asia Research Inc.

Pulse Asia grouped the presidential choice responses according to economic classes: ABC for the rich and middle class; D for the lower middle class and E for the poorest.
 
Among respondents who said they were in the ABC category, the vice president was the first choice of 47 percent. In the D category, he was the first option of 42 percent while among the poor, he got 34 percent.

Here's a list of the top ten would-be 2016 presidentiables:

More from this news - http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/358920/news/nation/vp-binay-leads-survey-of-pinoy-voters-for-president-in-2016 (http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/358920/news/nation/vp-binay-leads-survey-of-pinoy-voters-for-president-in-2016)
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Post by: FutureGizmo on May 01, 2014, 09:26 PM
Added a poll to spice things up! Vote now and let's see which Presidential candidate most PMT members will vote for! :)
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: agui on May 01, 2014, 09:41 PM
I heard the news Grace Poe will run for president and Kiko Pangilinan as her running mate.

They will cheer during campaign period Poe-Kiko!!! Poe-Kiko!!! :) Joke only. Cheers.
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Post by: kuray08 on May 02, 2014, 10:18 PM
i prefer to vote for Peter Allan Cayetano.. :applause:
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Post by: INDO on May 07, 2014, 07:00 AM
Added a poll to spice things up! Vote now and let's see which Presidential candidate most PMT members will vote for! :)

nangunguna c santiago sa taga PMT as of this writing :P
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Post by: pilyong_husband on May 07, 2014, 08:22 AM
nognog FTW :D

The only threat to nognog I think would be Grace Poe
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Post by: Prospera on May 07, 2014, 09:02 AM
Interesting result thus far...Wala pang boto si Mar Roxas; ganoon din si Kris. Buti pa si Bongbong Marcos. :p

I admire Miriam for her intellectual brilliance and her outrageous sense of humor, but I fear that her fiery temperament just might bring us to the brink of war.

I feel that  Grace Poe would make a better president: she's smart, sensible, hard-working, and -- being relatively untainted -- could do what's good for the national (as opposed to, vested) interest.
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Post by: vicces on May 07, 2014, 09:11 AM
I feel that  Grace Poe would make a better president: she's smart, sensible, hard-working, and -- being relatively untainted -- could do what's good for the national (as opposed to, vested) interest.
But... she's a girl! :P

joke lang... nakaka-dala si ate glo e..
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Prospera on May 07, 2014, 09:22 AM
FG was GMA's Achilles heel.  :thumbsdow

Enough said...
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Post by: vicces on May 07, 2014, 10:14 AM
^u a gma supporter?
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Post by: BrainDamage on May 11, 2014, 07:08 PM
Wag kayo magpapaniwala kay Binay na gaganda ang buhay,,, kung alam
nyo lang kung ano talaga meron dyan sa pinagmamalaki nya. Lalo na yang
yellow card.... birthday cake,, etc...
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Post by: pilyong_husband on May 11, 2014, 08:31 PM
Wag kayo magpapaniwala kay Binay na gaganda ang buhay,,, kung alam
nyo lang kung ano talaga meron dyan sa pinagmamalaki nya. Lalo na yang
yellow card.... birthday cake,, etc...

Care to elaborate?

There's this misconception na si Binay ang nagpaunlad sa Makati.. Pero in reality it's the Ayala's

One of the problems sa bansa natin is there are too many uneducated voters kaya nanalo kung sino sino
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: yllor on May 11, 2014, 09:19 PM
sa Pilipinas, kung umuunlad ang isang pamayanan, nauukol ito lagi kung sino ang namumuno at kung sino ang nasa pamahalaan at siyempre siya ay yumayaman.

sana ay mas magaling na si Juan sa pagpili sa susunod na halalan..
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Post by: bruklitanggala on May 12, 2014, 06:36 PM
like ko din si Mother Miriam .... para lagi tayong may bagong pick-up lines!  :rakenrol:
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: BrainDamage on May 13, 2014, 12:55 PM
Care to elaborate?

There's this misconception na si Binay ang nagpaunlad sa Makati.. Pero in reality it's the Ayala's

One of the problems sa bansa natin is there are too many uneducated voters kaya nanalo kung sino sino

Kung makikita mo lang itsura kung saan inaadmit yung mga naka yellow card,
kalunos lunos,, first time ko kasi ginamit yung card, ipapagamot ko yung bunso ko.
pag pasok mo, halo halo yung pasyente, maraming pasyente nasa semento na
nakahiga, yung para sa pedia 1 room na wala pa yatang 10sqm ang size. Hindi
pwedeng kumuha ng room kapag gagamit ng yellow card, kahit mag addtional na bayad, Kaya kung magpapagamot kayo sa osmak ,mas magandang hindi gumamit ng yellow card, kaya hindi ko rin makalimutan yung sinabi ng  1 doktor,, hanggat hindi kapa malapit mamatay hindi ka iaadmit ng osmak lalo na pag card holder.



Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: nepenthe on May 13, 2014, 08:21 PM
In our country it's very hard, and difficult I might say, to trust the politicians and the 'aspirants.' It is as if you are choosing who is the lesser evil.

Who among these men and women who dream to take control the most powerful post in the country will at least have that dream in making the Philippines an influential country in the world.

We had seen too much poverty and instability. So maybe, just maybe, it is time for the country to develop similar to Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore or South Korea with very impressive growth in their economy and standard of living.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: JovieYang on May 22, 2014, 04:59 PM
Who voted Kris Aquino for president? Hahaha!  :applause:
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Post by: oca1101uk on May 26, 2014, 04:19 PM
Miriam Defensor Santiago for President

Bongbong Marcos for Vice President

But the sure winner is Jejomar Binay as Philippine President in 2016...
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: george88 on May 26, 2014, 04:33 PM
Ang susunod na presidente ng Pilipinas ang yung mananalong presidente! Pustahan bahay lupat  :hihi:
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: scasil2003 on May 31, 2014, 03:23 PM
baka si ERAP tatakbo uli, nagbunga yung pag punta nya sa hongkong simula na ng pogi points yun :)

how about LACSON for president?

Mas mabuti pa si Miriam Defensor Santiago ang iboto natin sa susunod na election.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: scasil2003 on May 31, 2014, 03:25 PM
Ako go for Miriam Santiago for President.http://www.pinoymoneytalk.com/forum/Smileys/default/cool2.gif
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Post by: AMARANTH on Jun 02, 2014, 07:52 PM
If binay becomes president you can be assured that both enrile and jinggoy will be off the hook and probably many others on the list that would throw their support in his bid. 

Which is why a lot of people who hate greedy self righteous politicians are hoping that cases will be filed as soon as possible while Aquino is still president.
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Post by: cj_dfreestyler on Jun 05, 2014, 05:07 PM
Gordon or Duterte :-)
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Post by: INDO on Jun 07, 2014, 08:51 AM
hala may dalawang boto na c kris???? may mga joker din pala dito sa PMT :P
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Post by: Jut on Jun 25, 2014, 03:00 PM
As much as I believe that Miriam is a brilliant Senator, I don't think she has a chance of winning the presidency.
Politics is more than just your ability or your drive, it is more important for you to be able to rally the people and serve as their leader, as someone they will look up to.

Also, while I admire Duterte's vision and willful implementation of his laws, he also does not have the charisma necessary to be the head of a country.

This is why the likes of Gordon, Gibo, and Miriam will not win - they are unable to rally support from the most significant demographic, the masses.

All of us posting online in different forums and social networks comprise less than 10% of the voting population. We can never make a winner, only the masses can. The best case scenario that I see is if the middle/upper class can unite with the masses in a single candidate. This is the reason why I voted for Noynoy and not Gibo even if I thought that Gibo is more competent - Noynoy is able to rally the masses.

Back in college, I used to be one-sided and believed that ability trumps everything else. This is clearly not the case in public office.

With that, I believe that Grace Poe is the most feasible option for LP if they wish to continue the initiatives that PNoy started. I do honestly believe that she has good intentions for the country and is not blinded by greed. She is a champion of the masses, yet has good credentials.
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Post by: Rothschild on Jun 29, 2014, 05:02 PM
maganda labanan sa 2016
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Post by: Sleepyhead on Jun 29, 2014, 05:38 PM
Right now I dont see anyone beating Binay.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: oca1101uk on Jun 29, 2014, 06:28 PM
Masa's vote will go to Binay...
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: binsyo on Jun 29, 2014, 07:01 PM
I just hope a hero comes along...  :hihi: but that only happens on Fairy Tales and movies...

...atleast we're moving up (I think)... at natututo narin ang mga Pilipino sa pagboto (I think) :harhar:
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Post by: Sleepyhead on Jun 29, 2014, 08:09 PM
I support the idea that you don't pay taxes you don't vote.
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Post by: freefront on Jul 03, 2014, 12:12 AM
Imelda, Bongbong plot to reclaim presidency

July 2, 2014 10:24 pm

Well wishers greet Rep. Imelda Marcos as she arrives at a church to attend mass to celebrate her 85th birthday in Batac, Ilocos Norte, on Wednesday. The former first lady threw a birthday party at the family's stronghold. AFP PHOTO

Well wishers greet Rep. Imelda Marcos as she arrives at a church to attend mass to celebrate her 85th birthday in Batac, Ilocos Norte, on Wednesday. The former first lady threw a birthday party at the family’s stronghold. AFP PHOTO

BATAC, Ilocos Norte: Imelda Marcos, the Philippines’ most famous political survivor, toasted her 85th birthday on Wednesday as the former First Lady made plans for a triumphal return to Malacañang.

Wearing a flowing red gown and diamond rings, the self-declared “poverty-stricken” Marcos was serenaded by throngs of supporters as she emerged from her private chambers in the family mansion in their northern stronghold of Batac.

“My only wish is for God to give me a little more strength to prolong my life,” she told reporters who asked about her birthday wish.

Marcos said she had seen “the best, best, best and the worst, worst, worst” in life, but insisted she has no plans to ride into the sunset just yet.

“I still have a vision and hope to bring more help to the Filipino people,” she noted in a free-wheeling, often rambling, interview.

Marcos insisted that Sen. Ferdinand “Bongbong” Marcos Jr., her oldest child, was “qualified” to contest the presidency in May 2016 when President Benigno Aquino 3rd, son of the Marcoses’ top political foes, ends his six-year term.

“[Returning to] Malacañang would be a great help,” in implementing her projects, she said.

The flamboyant matriarch became the symbol of excess during the brutal 20-year regime of her late husband, who was also accused of looting state coffers and whose martial law rule was marked by human rights abuses.

While the rest of the country wallowed in poverty and thousands of activists were killed or went missing, Imelda Marcos and her children enjoyed a jet-setting lifestyle.

She amassed a jewellery collection valued in the tens of millions of dollars and acquired hundreds of paintings by international masters, including Monets and Picassos.

The government conservatively estimates that Marcos plundered government coffers of about $10 billion.

A military-backed “People Power” revolt in 1986 chased Marcos and his family into exile in Hawaii, where the strongman died three years later.

As the public stormed the abandoned Malacañang Palace, they discovered Imelda’s 3,000 pairs of shoes that came to symbolize the extent of her extravagance.

Imelda Marcos and her three children were subsequently allowed to return home, and have since regained significant political clout in the late strongman’s northern home province of Ilocos Norte. She won a second term as congresswoman representing Ilocos Norte last year, the same year her son was elected senator. He has hinted at joining the presidential race in 2016.

Her eldest daughter, Imee, is the provincial governor.

On Wednesday, a regal but tired-looking Imelda dramatically planted a kiss on her husband’s glass coffin as photographers jostled for position.

His wax-like remains are kept in an air-conditioned crypt at the family compound that has become a tourist attraction.

Declaring herself the “mother of world peace,” Imelda then hit out at plans by the Aquino government to auction off her jewellery collection.

She accused Aquino’s mother, the late democracy hero Corazon Aquino who was installed as President after the Marcos family fled, of persecution.

“Her first act was to confiscate and sequester all Marcos wealth even before we were tried, and that was illegal,” Marcos said.

She added that she would prefer to have the jewels put on public display “because I want the Filipinos to know what is world-class and see that.”

Marcos did not discuss her fragile health. She was rushed to hospital last year for extreme fatigue but later recovered.

#from the shoutbox at ni-post ko na ng buo at baka tamarin pa kayo. I think I'll start going to church regularly--- to beg for fortitude. Although, them running for that office might be a good idea. Some kind of wealth distribution? Think election money. Ang problema, may chance na manalo dahil tumakbo nga as opposed to zero chance dahil hindi naman tumakbo. Why don't we start impeachment proceedings for the president? It might do our national psyche some good.............and put the stock market in tailspin......anymore brilliant ideas? I sincerely do not want to leave this country.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: lemreyes on Jul 15, 2014, 04:36 PM
How come Duterte isn't in the choices?
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Post by: mackygoof on Jul 15, 2014, 05:51 PM
How come Duterte isn't in the choices?

Others probably.. :D
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Jul 29, 2014, 06:51 PM
How come Duterte isn't in the choices?

Vigilante.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Jul 29, 2014, 06:52 PM
Kawawang PMTers. Miriam with most votes so far.
May topak rin ba tayo?
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Post by: jrich69 on Jul 30, 2014, 10:43 AM
I find it most interesting that Miriam is by far the most popular in this poll. She has not declared and very probably will not run - also interesting that most of the others have similar numbers. Shows me that better educated Filipinos with jobs/money want a strong/honest candidate who will not stand for the old school politics which have held this country back for so long. Unfortunately, this is unlikely to happen!
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: mackygoof on Jul 31, 2014, 02:43 PM
IMO, It's popularity contest and always will be.
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Post by: george88 on Jul 31, 2014, 06:08 PM
Sad reality but I can't do anything Binay will win next election landslide masses will speak again unless Duterte step up =)
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Post by: mackygoof on Aug 28, 2014, 10:22 AM
wow...Santiago considering running for president. Sana matuloy at manalo.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: darkknight on Aug 28, 2014, 02:51 PM
If Mirriam decides to run for presidency...count my vote for her !
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Post by: palailai on Aug 28, 2014, 03:13 PM
I go for Meriam or Duterti for 2016
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Post by: Dong_Nguyen on Aug 29, 2014, 03:31 PM
Please add Duterte to the poll. Thanks.
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Post by: Prospera on Aug 31, 2014, 12:54 PM
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/634122/a-flighty-qa-with-kris-aquino-why-endorse-jejomar-binay
 (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/634122/a-flighty-qa-with-kris-aquino-why-endorse-jejomar-binay)

What can I say...except OMG! :bahalaka:

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: logicheart on Aug 31, 2014, 04:05 PM
Mirriam or Duterte also here  :D
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Post by: fisherman25 on Nov 14, 2014, 10:32 PM
meron gumawa ng poll for president. mukhang reliable kc naka-link sa fb. you might like to vote, check in below link....

https://epoll.me/vote/ACR_0EjDRmc/mannypinol-com/who-is-your-choice-for-president-2016

you can click the Result anytime in that page.

__________________________________________________________________________
LET'S HAVE A REAL SURVEY: WHO'S YOUR PRESIDENT?
By Manny Pinol

I have long been skeptical about the accuracy of the so-called poll surveys conducted by such group such as Pulse Asia, Social Weather Station and now a new group called Novo Trends.
My concerns are: "Who's funding the surveys?", "Who's responding to the surveys?" and "What's the coverage of the surveys?"
Early this morning, as I was browsing through my page, I found a simple survey form created by JG Zosa, a friend in this community, and I found it very interesting.
I tried it and clicked the box and it showed my profile picture. When I clicked it again, it erased my vote which means that you could not vote twice using the same account.
This is a survey where everybody is equal. There is no economic classification as in A, B, C, D or E. There is no biased grouping as in Very Rich, Rich, Middle Class, Poor and Dirt Poor.
I tried to share JG Zosa's survey form with my page but was not successful. With the help of another IT guy, I decided to copy the survey form of JG Zosa and post this in my page.
I am asking independent observers and respectable media groups to monitor this simple survey form because this will reflect the actual sentiment of the Filipino people today.
I also ask all the followers of this page with a combined readership of over 1.4 million to join this survey.
Let our voices be heard and let us give the whole country an insight into the feelings of the Filipinos today.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Dong_Nguyen on Feb 17, 2015, 09:37 AM
Will Chiz Escudero be running for president in 2016? Because if he will, I'm sure he's someone to beat. Almost all of the richest businessman will back him up.

(https://s1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/ndDMJnJ4fSDLQmZsKNwLoA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0yNTY7aWw9cGxhbmU7cT03NTt3PTUxMg--/http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/omg/2015-02-16/be8bfce0-b5b9-11e4-b603-1363050a92d8_800HeartChizNinongNinang.jpg)
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Post by: apingdaldal on Feb 17, 2015, 12:49 PM
there are 8 here who voted for Kris Aquino???  seriously?

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Post by: darkknight on Feb 17, 2015, 01:26 PM
If Senator M.Santiago doesn't want to run...my second choice will be Senator Allan Cayetano !
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Post by: Terzaghi on Feb 17, 2015, 03:57 PM
Will Chiz Escudero be running for president in 2016? Because if he will, I'm sure he's someone to beat. Almost all of the richest businessman will back him up.

(https://s1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/ndDMJnJ4fSDLQmZsKNwLoA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0yNTY7aWw9cGxhbmU7cT03NTt3PTUxMg--/http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/omg/2015-02-16/be8bfce0-b5b9-11e4-b603-1363050a92d8_800HeartChizNinongNinang.jpg)

if he runs and wins, then, our country we'll have a very very young first-lady. she'll just be 31 by 2016...  :D
i'll take chiz, miriam, or even roxas as president...just not binay!...
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: logicheart on Feb 17, 2015, 04:54 PM
Seriously Kris Aquino  :hihi:
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Post by: TulogSaPancitan on Feb 18, 2015, 03:16 PM
binay is almost certain to win. popularity contest lang yan. my only hope is he is jailed before election.
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Post by: izza on Jun 18, 2015, 01:11 PM
WHO WOULD YOU LIKE TO VOTE FOR PRESIDENT OF THE PHILIPPINES 2016, IF ELECTIONS HELD TODAY?

A) Vice President Jejomar Binay
B)  Sen. Miriam Defensor Santiago
C)  Grace Poe
D) Rodrigo Rudy Duterte
E) Manuel Roxas II
F) Joseph Erap Estrada
G) Panfilo Ping Lacson
H) others


curiosity lang po sa mga naglalabasan na survey.  This is not connection with other surveys companies.. just purely dito lang sa forum hehe

 :coffee:
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: mokoy222 on Jun 19, 2015, 08:43 AM
mar roxas,may puso sa mahihirap at maka masa tulad ni korina bagay lang na nadon silang dalawa sa malakanyang
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Post by: izza on Jun 19, 2015, 11:56 AM
mar roxas,may puso sa mahihirap at maka masa tulad ni korina bagay lang na nadon silang dalawa sa malakanyang

are you from Luzon?
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Post by: izza on Jun 23, 2015, 03:07 PM
kung hindi tatakbo si duterte hindi ako boboto.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: logicheart on Jun 23, 2015, 06:21 PM
Miriam - Duterte tandem
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Post by: darkknight on Jun 24, 2015, 10:07 AM
Ist choice : SAntiago-Duterte tandem
2nd choice : Poe - Cayetano
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Post by: palailai on Jun 25, 2015, 04:11 PM
duterte poe tandem
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Post by: ultimate on Jul 02, 2015, 04:58 AM
binay is almost certain to win. popularity contest lang yan. my only hope is he is jailed before election.

I have to agree with you on this.  The candidate who is always on any mass media format will win sadly.  Too bad status quo is not an one of the options. 
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: freefront on Jul 02, 2015, 09:39 AM
I have to agree with you on this.  The candidate who is always on any mass media format will win sadly.  Too bad status quo is not an one of the options. 

He worked on his candidacy for the longest time. Makati has a lot of sister cities. He gave away scholarships to students as far as the ends of Mindanao. Think about it. If the first college graduate of the family got his diploma thru' Binay and that family has 6 voters, 48---if you count all his relatives---wouldn't they vote for Binay? May utang na loob na, familiar name pa. If you are a senior citizen and your own children don't even call you at all, then you receive a birthday cake-----awwwwwww....... Very difficult to sway those emotionally invested people.

It was floated a long time ago that the Cojuangcos would rather back Binay, just to ensure that Noynoy won't suffer the fate of Gloria and Erap. I wouldn't discount that possibility. Hey, hey. It's PHL politics. The devil is cozy around here.

Besides, sa mga kwentong bote lang, those machines and the system they use during elections? Alam na.

Lastly, he amassed a huge amount of funds just to be the president. And he who has the money...........

One Year to this day. That's what we have. For what?

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Post by: Jayumaster on Jul 03, 2015, 01:32 PM
Binay as president would mean the dark ages of our country... :watchuthink:
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Post by: izza on Jul 03, 2015, 03:07 PM
He worked on his candidacy for the longest time. Makati has a lot of sister cities. He gave away scholarships to students as far as the ends of Mindanao. Think about it. If the first college graduate of the family got his diploma thru' Binay and that family has 6 voters, 48---if you count all his relatives---wouldn't they vote for Binay? May utang na loob na, familiar name pa. If you are a senior citizen and your own children don't even call you at all, then you receive a birthday cake-----awwwwwww....... Very difficult to sway those emotionally invested people.

It was floated a long time ago that the Cojuangcos would rather back Binay, just to ensure that Noynoy won't suffer the fate of Gloria and Erap. I wouldn't discount that possibility. Hey, hey. It's PHL politics. The devil is cozy around here.

Besides, sa mga kwentong bote lang, those machines and the system they use during elections? Alam na.

Lastly, he amassed a huge amount of funds just to be the president. And he who has the money...........

One Year to this day. That's what we have. For what?

but the administration won't stop until he's in jail before elections.
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Post by: tinny_rn on Jul 28, 2015, 10:51 PM
Wow! Its nice to know andaming may gusto kay Miriam... Suportahan natin si Madam!!!  :applause:
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Post by: kobabear on Jul 29, 2015, 03:41 AM
Seriously Kris garnering 6%. I expected a better judgement from PMTers although this a mock polls. We Pinoys have the tendency to equate election with showbiz and popularity. Though I respect your choice, we should be more responsible voters. Unless we mature, we are the laughing stock of the world.

When Dolphy was asked why he was not running for public office, he said. " Paano kung manalo ako?.
I hope we will do our due diligence in voting in the coming elections. Parang stocks din yan. Our future is at stake.
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Post by: jenofstructures on Jul 29, 2015, 06:47 AM
D. Santiago-Duterte is a lethal tandem

Parehas kasing mahigpit. Sa tingin ko sa una lang magugustuhan ng Pinoy si Duterte. Karamihan kasi sa atin ayaw ng mahihigpit. Hindi porke nagagawa sa Davao e magagawa rin sa buong Pinas.

Si Miriam baka magdeklara agad ng digmaan sa tsina kapag naupo wehehehehe.

Pero im still a pro Santiago- Duterte. Alam ko magiging maganda ang pagpili ng mga tao sa cabinets.
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Post by: palailai on Jul 29, 2015, 08:51 AM
DU30 na or Meriam...if di sila tatakbo siguro Roxas na lang sayang din ang boto ko di magamit!
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Post by: bajoyjoy on Jul 29, 2015, 11:59 AM
Seriously Kris garnering 6%. I expected a better judgement from PMTers although this a mock polls. We Pinoys have the tendency to equate election with showbiz and popularity. Though I respect your choice, we should be more responsible voters. Unless we mature, we are the laughing stock of the world.

When Dolphy was asked why he was not running for public office, he said. " Paano kung manalo ako?.
I hope we will do our due diligence in voting in the coming elections. Parang stocks din yan. Our future is at stake.
maybe they took the "mock" part seriously, and voted for kris as a form of mockery. :rofl:

its hard to make a choice right now when no one, except binay, has declared his/her intention to run. but definitely NO (for any position) to binay, marcos, erap, kris, bong, jinggoy. no to duterte too, sorry... miriam has health issues... chiz is too talkative not much action... alan peter not my kind of president either...

that leaves me with...?
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Post by: kobabear on Jul 29, 2015, 04:52 PM
D. Santiago-Duterte is a lethal tandem

LITERALLY
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Post by: TulogSaPancitan on Jul 29, 2015, 08:54 PM
Seriously Kris garnering 6%. I expected a better judgement from PMTers although this a mock polls. We Pinoys have the tendency to equate election with showbiz and popularity. Though I respect your choice, we should be more responsible voters. Unless we mature, we are the laughing stock of the world.

When Dolphy was asked why he was not running for public office, he said. " Paano kung manalo ako?.
I hope we will do our due diligence in voting in the coming elections. Parang stocks din yan. Our future is at stake.

hey, at least zero si bong. haha. but in reality, i expect more than 10% will vote for him. kris is just about right.  :hihi:
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Post by: freefront on Jul 29, 2015, 10:50 PM
maybe they took the "mock" part seriously, and voted for kris as a form of mockery. :rofl:

its hard to make a choice right now when no one, except binay, has declared his/her intention to run. but definitely NO (for any position) to binay, marcos, erap, kris, bong, jinggoy. no to duterte too, sorry... miriam has health issues... chiz is too talkative not much action... alan peter not my kind of president either...

that leaves me with...?

Mar. And wherever it was they stashed Korina, she should STAY there. No talk, no mistake  :hihi:
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Post by: ferrariEverest on Jul 30, 2015, 03:38 PM
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/public-urged-join-online-survey-000000316.html (https://sg.news.yahoo.com/public-urged-join-online-survey-000000316.html)
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Post by: freefront on Jul 31, 2015, 04:26 PM
Here.we.go.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/source/inquirer-net

bananapepper!$#*@&
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Post by: bajoyjoy on Jul 31, 2015, 05:29 PM
Mar. And wherever it was they stashed Korina, she should STAY there. No talk, no mistake  :hihi:

Trulaloo! korina was mar's achilles.. and the blue shirt! kakabasa ko lang ng piece ni raissa robles on him, investment banker pala si mar before he entered into politics.. well-educated and could carry on the daang matuwid slogan because hindi naman sya nasangkot sa anumang corruption or anomalies and he distanced himself from GMA . but his consistency and ability to deliver hindi ganun ka-impressive. I hope Mar gets better election managers and teach him to act presidential. i mean VP was in the bag for him until the come-from-behind and upset win from Binay. Now Binay will capitalize on that psychological advantage, that's why the demolition job on Binay started really early.  This is practically a re-match, on a higher weight division.

Grace Poe is also an option should she decide to run. but then i think mas mabuti for her na magpahinog muna and settle for VP ... that is kung payagan sya ni Chiz who seems to be the one pushing her to go for the presidency...

eto na, si korina, nagsisimula na...

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/709479/is-korina-sanchez-ready-to-become-first-lady (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/709479/is-korina-sanchez-ready-to-become-first-lady)
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Lavalier on Aug 13, 2015, 10:11 PM
The next Philippine National Elections is roughly 24 months away from now.

Ngayon palang, dalawang pangalan na ang nangangamoy para sa susunod na mamumuno sa pagbubulsa sa kaban ng bayan, pagaalipusta sa karapatan ng ordinaryong mamamayan, pagtatago sa katotohanan, panonood habang minamanipula ng iba ang ating pamahalaan, este, mamumuno sa kaunlaran pala, sabi ni Batman.

Jejomar Binay versus Mar Roxas   :dont: :think: :thumbsdow

Binay for President:
  • http://kensanph.wordpress.com/2013/08/23/jejomar-binay-and-family-corruption-and-scandal/ (http://kensanph.wordpress.com/2013/08/23/jejomar-binay-and-family-corruption-and-scandal/)
  • http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/04/30/10/binay-admits-infidelity (http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/04/30/10/binay-admits-infidelity)
  • http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/340530/news/nation/vp-binay-on-dasma-incident-mayor-junjun-deserved-some-courtesy (http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/340530/news/nation/vp-binay-on-dasma-incident-mayor-junjun-deserved-some-courtesy)

Roxas for President:
  • http://manilastandardtoday.com/2014/04/24/wack-wack-suspends-mar-roxas/ (http://manilastandardtoday.com/2014/04/24/wack-wack-suspends-mar-roxas/) http://manilastandardtoday.com/2014/04/20/-incident-marred-roxas-2016-plan-/ (http://manilastandardtoday.com/2014/04/20/-incident-marred-roxas-2016-plan-/)
  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDC-PvxMwmc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDC-PvxMwmc) http://www.manilatimes.net/arrogance-of-power-bahala-kayo-sa-buhay-nyo/60108/ (http://www.manilatimes.net/arrogance-of-power-bahala-kayo-sa-buhay-nyo/60108/)
  • http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/05/21/13/bong-revilla-hits-mar-roxas-obsession (http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/05/21/13/bong-revilla-hits-mar-roxas-obsession)[/url]
The lists are just samples. Marami pa silang achievements and rewards.  :rofl: If anyone here has some additions, please feel free to share.

Ang tanong, wala na bang iba? Please naman, baka may taga-PMT dito na gusto maging Presidente mag-step up na kayo!  :clap:  :idol:

But seriously, sino kaya sa tingin ninyo ang pwede maging President?  :huh:
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Aug 15, 2015, 11:56 AM
Sana may mas qualified pa.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: kobabear on Aug 15, 2015, 06:47 PM
MVP...anyone?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: magforex on Aug 16, 2015, 02:48 PM
sa totoo lang mas gusto ko pa si Donald Trump nalang maging presidente natin hehehe. parang wala kasing seryosong kandidato satin ngayon sa tingin ko lang ha.  :harhar:
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Aug 19, 2015, 11:12 AM
The problem with the Noynoy LP slogan (stupid really) is that it only sounds good to the regular Pinoy who is fed up with our govt officials.

Competence vs Corrupt.
According to JICA, Traffic woes (more like absence of traffic, puro parking on the street, hehe) in NCR and its surrounding areas (Bulacan, Rizal, Laguna, and Cavite) is costing us about 876 Billion pesos/year!

Say, only a 4th is due to govt incompetence that is still almost 220 Billion Pesos/year!
Traffic problem palang eto. Incompetence beats corruption di ba?
No wonder, even as many believe Binay to be corrupt, they say they will still choose him over Mar.

That is the tragedy of our country, more dramatic than any Shakespearean play.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Aug 19, 2015, 11:14 AM
Pahabol, remember that Incompetence can also breed corruption.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Aug 21, 2015, 11:04 AM
And with the quantitative report from JICA,
we can also say
INCOMPETENCE can be MORE COSTLY than CORRUPTION.

Incompetence is also harder to correct and almost impossible to prosecute.
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Post by: GoodSteward on Aug 21, 2015, 12:10 PM
^^^ Speaking of traffic and incompetence,
The interconnection of NLEX and SLEX was promised by PNOY on his first SONA. His term is almost ending and its far from being half-way completed. And yet, during the same period of time, China built an entire artificial island...
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Post by: jenofstructures on Aug 21, 2015, 12:12 PM
^^^^ nagaantay pa si PNoy ng sign galling sa kanyang ina
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Post by: wilch23 on Aug 22, 2015, 02:26 PM
^^^ Speaking of traffic and incompetence,
The interconnection of NLEX and SLEX was promised by PNOY on his first SONA. His term is almost ending and its far from being half-way completed. And yet, during the same period of time, China built an entire artificial island...

The artificial island was done in less than 1 year.

Hindi lang yon, other announced projects incl the LRT to Cavite, and another  LRT to Fairview/Bulacan.

On a smaller scale, what happened with the renovation of NAIA terminal 1?
Naging minor renovation na lang but still took more than 1 year.

At least , it's not fatal daw.
Unless you ask the Yolanda, Visayas earthquake, Zamboanga siege victims, and of course the SAF teams.
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Post by: Nabbi on Sep 29, 2015, 02:25 PM
seryoso! people open your eyes! sure ba kay Mar, Grace, and Binay matud pa kay Heneral Luna

"PARANG KAYONG MGA BERHEN NA NANINIWALA SA PAG-IBIG NG ISANG p*ta!"-HL


forgive me Mr. Admin but I find this post very bias dapat sinali mu si Duterte...
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Post by: Nabbi on Sep 29, 2015, 02:30 PM

On a smaller scale, what happened with the renovation of NAIA terminal 1?
Naging minor renovation na lang but still took more than 1 year.


6 months project  matatapos ng 1 taon
1 yr project matatapos ng 6 yr project



Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: empleyado on Sep 30, 2015, 11:42 AM
Duterte
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: palailai on Sep 30, 2015, 12:51 PM
DU30
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Post by: GoodSteward on Sep 30, 2015, 01:41 PM
Duterte.

Poll list is no longer updated.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Sep 30, 2015, 04:04 PM
Kung sa panahon natin ngayon mangyari ang digmaan, halimbawa, sinakop tayo ng China dahil sa spratly islands, Mauulit kaya ang ating karanasan sa panahon ni Heneral Luna?

Hindi kaya magkakaroon ng pagkakaisa ang mga pilipino?

Si Duterte ay nagmumungkahi ng regionalism or federalism.  Hindi kaya natin maabot ang national unity?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: palailai on Oct 14, 2015, 11:34 AM
Kung ayaw ni DU30...Miriam at Marcos final answer.

Miriam at Cayetano :thankyou: pinaka final answer.
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Post by: GoodSteward on Oct 14, 2015, 11:52 AM
http://media.philstar.com/images/the-philippine-star/headlines/20151011/bongbong-marcos-4.jpg


Sa mga boboto na hindi namuhay sa panahon ni Marcos, o nakalimutan yun history sa sibika nila sa klase,.

Si Enrile, secretary ( Minister) of Defense ni Ferdinand Marcos.. He led the people power revolution against Marcos.

Now he is raising Bongbongs hand.

Just think nalang:
Image lang nga ba?
nakapagtawaran na sila?
may napag usapan ba?
Nagsisi ba si Enrile for leading the edsa revolution?
No permanent foes in politics?
Allegiances for their own benefits?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Oct 14, 2015, 02:24 PM
^Additional information during the MARCOS DICTATORSHIP (1965 to 1986):

- External foreign debt US$ 599 MILLION (1965); By 1986 debt was US$ 28 BILLION

- Peso to dollar exchange rate $1.0= Php 3.90 (1965); By 1986 exchange rate was $1.0= Php 20

- about 60,000 Filipino opponents were imprisoned and based on official Marcos victims' claims on US dollars compensation more than 10,000 deaths were directly attributed to Marcos.

- 1979 UP study (Mahar Mangahas) concluded that about 3/4 of total households were considered POOR between 1961 to 1971 period.  After 1975, scientific methodology in measuring poverty incidence became incredulous to be considered accurate.

- The armed forces strength QUADRUPLED during the first few years of Martial Law (from 70,000 plus to 270,000 plus soldiers)

- Unicameral legislature (almost all elected officials were members of KBL party of Marcos)

- TV stations channels 4,9,13, and 7 (channel 2 were shut down); 3 TV stations under Marcos control.

- Power supply, water supply, and telephone were under MARCOS control. No competition (Monopoly) and very poor service.

- Cartoons (enjoyed by the youth) were banned (i missed Voltes V, Mazinger Z, Daimos, etc.).

Motto of Marcos: "Sa ikauunlad ng bansa, bisikleta ang kailangan".

Marcos STOLE ALL THE MONEY and GOLD from our country's Central Bank.

Marcos had his ROLEX 12 of CRONIES (that includes ENRILE - who betrayed him later)

Today, Are we going to elect his son?
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Post by: jenofstructures on Oct 14, 2015, 04:14 PM
^^^^ Hindi daw ganyan ang nangyari noon sabi ni Bong bong
So meron din syang alternative truth  :D

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Post by: bauer on Oct 14, 2015, 05:58 PM
^ All my data are based on historical records.

Hindi kasi naparusahan ang pamilya Marcos kaya ang tatapang sumagot hanggang ngayon.  Gaya ni Enrile, malapit na mag 100 ayaw pa magsisi sa mga kasalanan sa bayan.
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Post by: apingdaldal on Oct 14, 2015, 07:52 PM
not a Marcos supporter for all I cared.  but after EDSA what happened? 


Corazon Aquino -  Kamag-Anak Incorporated.  Failed Agrarian Reform.  Sold government assets. Massive brownouts. Coup d' etat here and there just showed she cannot even control her armed forces given she is the Commander-in-Chief.  Philippines was named "The Sick Man of Asia" (reference: AsiaWeek magazine 1989 I forgot which month).

Fidel Ramos - won the election allegedly via "Dagdag-Bawas"  (btw, I voted for Miriam Defensor Santiago at that time).  Advertised his "Philippines 2000" promise though Philippines indeed had some improvements (Philippines; along with Thailand, were coined named "Asia's Tiger Cub": reference: AsiaWeek magazine 1993 forgot which month again) which we still ended lackluster when his term ended.  Blamed the 1997 Asian Financial Crisis for his failed expectation yet other Southeast Asian countries was able to recover, move on, and even surpassed our economic performance i.e.  Vietnam.  With regards to our military, he enacted the 1995 AFP Modernization Law which aims to upgrade the capability of the AFP.  Php 300+ billion is allotted for this Law mainly for the acquisition of new military assets; within a 15-year timeframe (1995 to 2010).  What happened to the AFP Modernization Law? we will see in the next administrations. 
   
ERAP Estrada -  Made his famous speech "Walang kaibigan. Walang kumpare" yet had "kasugalan". Famous for his Jueteng Gate scandal.  Made it to the Forbes' List of Most Corrupt Leaders of all Times (with Marcos). 

Gloria Arroyo - Magdalo group mutiny due to claims that the military/government itself is selling ammunition to the enemies of the state.  Fertilizer Fund Scam, Jose Pidal account, ZTE NBN Scam, Hernani Perez power deal, overpriced road and railway projects, Hello Garci scandal, Micky Arroyo's PNP helicopter scam, and lots more. Majority of Janet Napoles dealings were from Arroyo's administration.


And during the 2010 election.... ERAP was 2nd place among the presidential candidates!

My point?  There is really something very wrong with us Filipinos and we indeed deserve to suffer.   Just look at the "2016 President Voting Poll" here in PMT;  13 "educated" Filipinos voted for Kris Aquino.  If they find it entertaining...well its not.   
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Post by: bauer on Oct 15, 2015, 09:16 AM
My point?  There is really something very wrong with us Filipinos and we indeed deserve to suffer.   Just look at the "2016 President Voting Poll" here in PMT;  13 "educated" Filipinos voted for Kris Aquino.  If they find it entertaining...well its not.   

^I fully understand your disappointment on our leaders.  It seems you have given up that we can rise again from our miseries.

Do not lose HOPE.  Everyday is a new beginning.  Social networks are now closing the gap on knowledge and information dissemination among our people both locally and overseas.

Learning and understanding needs a lot of time to be develop and once we overcome the threshold, a sudden leap will take place and things will be better in the future.

Let us just continue to dissect and discuss online so we can contribute to the learning experience of other people.
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Post by: GoodSteward on Oct 15, 2015, 09:29 AM
I read from my fb newsfeed that makes sense. Aparently A B C class will have divided support on Poe, mirriam, roxas, duterte (if he decides to run last minute). While generally the D and E class will have solid support on Binay. So dont be surprised if Binay actually wins.

Of course there are other factors in "block-supporting" a candidate in terms of regional, sectorial, advocacy votes etc..
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Post by: palailai on Oct 15, 2015, 12:53 PM
ayaw ni Digong DU30 tumakbo,  Meriam at Cayetano na...laglag ko na si Marcos....na convince kasi ako sa posts dito...
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Oct 18, 2015, 03:04 PM
My Personal Opinions:

1. Mar - Non performing Asset,
may be VERY COSTLY;
Drags - Korina, His MOM

2. Binay - Corrupt but able,
will he be different as President? probably not,
will be costly due to tong-pats, Drags - his family and allies

3. Miriam - May topak, unstable,
Unpredictable Cost;
Drags - Herself and Hubby

4. Grace - Seems smart, seems only
Can't say, UNKNOWN Quantity
Drags - American connection,Political Padrinos
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Oct 18, 2015, 03:07 PM
My Opinion, PS:

5. Duterte - Killer Instinct, can he handle the BIG FISH too?
May actually be good economically, but still needs to show his competence on economics
Drags - Violent fav daughter, GFs and mistresses, Human Rights Violation, Federalism (?)
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Oct 19, 2015, 10:26 AM
Food for THOUGHT
From Manila Times

"Pollsters Social Weather Stations and Pulse Asia have been fooling us with their pseudo-scientific opinion surveys. Their polls distort the real state of public opinion on urgent issues and people’s current preferences for candidates in an electoral contest. This is because they conceal the fact that there is a huge percentage of respondents who do not really have opinions on topics they are asked about, or in the case of their presidential voter preference polls, have not decided yet on which candidate to vote for many months before Election Day. A quintessential banner-headline, horse-race treatment by a newspaper on false polls. (Candidates’ names and photos blocked to foil the real aim of such polls.)

A quintessential banner-headline, horse-race treatment by a newspaper on false polls. (Candidates’ names and photos blocked to foil the real aim of such polls.)

Consider how SWS and PulseAsia have fooled us with their voter-preference polls in the 2010 presidential elections and for the coming 2016 balloting:


Focus on the “undecided” figure: the three different surveys report that only 2 to 3 percent of Filipinos about six months before Election Day had not decided who to vote for.
That’s really preposterous: 97 to 98 out of 100 Filipinos had already decided who they will vote for, many months before the election? This even goes against your common sense and experience: Ask your staff, boss, or friends if they have made their choices for the top posts, and I’ll bet you dinner four out of five will tell you they haven’t decided. Have you, dear reader, decided and won’t change your mind?
One pollster kindly responded to my queries on this flaw of opinion polling when he disclosed that his firm, per request of their clients and on a confidential basis, had asked the question whether the respondents would still change their minds on their voting preferences. The result was that 35 to 40 percent said they might still change their preferences. That question is really a proxy for the more proper question respondents should have answered first:

Have you already decided on which candidates to vote for on Election Day?

This basic flaw of voter-preference polls have long been known in the US and elsewhere, so that in many countries such polls are totally banned (as in Singapore) or banned for a certain period of time before elections (France and Italy). Few broadsheets in the West, in fact, report such polls on their front pages, much less – as is the prevalent practice here – make them the banner headline for the day.

The founder of modern opinion polling, George Gallup, himself pointed out this flaw in 1947, early on in the development of that business. He proposed that this flaw be corrected by requiring as a first step (in what he dramatically called a “quintamensional plan”) any poll, for the respondent to be asked if he has heard of the issue, or has an opinion on it, before he is asked to respond to a question on it. If the respondent says no, he is automatically excluded from the pollsters’ sample.

Gallup Poll itself undertook in 2007 a variation of this procedure when, in conjunction with the usual poll, it had a special one in which it asked first if the respondent had decided or was still unsure of which candidate to vote for as US President.

The results of the special poll changed drastically the portrayal in the usual poll that Giuliani and Romney were way ahead:


This is what has been called by political scientists as the problem of “nonattitudes” in all opinion polling.
Even an American textbook on polling (Asher, Herbert, “Polling and the Public: What Every Citizen Should Know,” 2012) pointed out: “The presence of nonattitudes is one of the simplest, yet most perplexing problems in public opinion polling … People respond to questions about which they have no genuine attitudes or opinions.”

“No distinction is made between people with real views on an issue and those whose responses are simply artifacts of being asked a question in the first place,” the book explained. “Few people in such circumstances want to admit they are uninformed, particularly on a popular or timely issue.”

Neither SWS nor PulseAsia asks that crucial question in voter-preference polls – whether the respondent has decided or not – which in effect forces them to choose, even if they haven’t really yet made a choice.

Both SWS and PulseAsia’s voter-preference questionnaires ask: “Of the people on this list, whom would you vote for as President (or Vice President) if the 2016 elections were held today.” (Emphasis mine).

But the elections are not being held on that day when they may have not yet made up their mind.
Crucially, the respondents are not given this choice: “You may answer that you haven’t decided yet.” Respondents would, therefore, give off-the-top-of-their-head names, which might not necessarily be their considered choices and could change their minds about at the flip of a coin.

In such a forced-choice survey, and especially since the question is one of the 150 or so questions SWS and PulseAsia typically ask a respondent, the respondent is likely to choose a candidate he had recently seen on TV or heard over the radio.

That is why the newspaper Manila Standard recently reported that Grace Poe-Llamanzares and her running mate, Francis Escudero, were “miles ahead” in a poll it commissioned. The survey was done Sept. 21 to Oct. 1: Llamanzares and Escudero have been hogging the headlines since Sept. 16 when they launched their candidacies showbiz style.

Similarly, Manuel Roxas 2nd spent P258 million on a TV ad blitz from Aug. 15 to Sept. 15, which pushed up his rating in the poll undertaken by PulseAsia from Sept. 8 to 14.

SWS and PulseAsia have been fooling us by portraying in their reports that the percentage of people who have no opinion on a topic, or who haven’t decided yet (in voter preference polls), is in their “undecided” (in SWS reports) or “Don’t know/Refused/None” (for PulseAsia) items.

This is a lie. Responses placed in that category are those who are adamant in cooperating in any way with a pollster. It also simply represents human errors either in data gathering or in the tabulation of results, typical in any scientific inquiry gathering data and collating them.

This is the reason why in all their polls, whether they be about hunger, satisfaction with government, love, or voting preference, SWS and PulseAsia always report an insignificant percentage of respondents – typically from 2 to 4 percent — as being “undecided” or have “no response.” This is the percentage in the “undecided” or “don’t know” response in any kind of poll here or elsewhere.

Other than the 35 to 40 percent mentioned above as reported by a pollster as those who would change their minds, do we have an idea how many really haven’t decided in such voter-preference polls?

For the vote for Parliament scheduled next week in the United Kingdom, a poll found that 34 percent of voters haven’t yet decided.
In Canada, which is holding its federal election on October 19, 50 percent of voters haven’t yet decided, according to a reputable poll.
Despite the prime-time TV Republican and Democratic debates, only 27 percent of Americans in a poll say they are “paying attention” to the elections in November.

If we assume that 35 percent of Filipinos haven’t decided on whom to vote for, and assume that the percentages reported in the three polls above represent only those who have decided, the landscape of the 2010 contest and the 2016 poll should be:
 

 
 
The landscapes if one uses a more accurate 35 percent undecided, are so different from the table at the start of this column, which used an insignificant and inaccurate 2 percent undecided.
 
 
More importantly, the fact that 35 percent are undecided could more than eat up the survey’s 3 percentage points plus/minus margin of error. This makes the poll actually nearly useless, which would mean big trouble for someone like SWS President Mahar Mangahas, whose entire professional income has been based on the idea that polls really reflect public opinion.

SWS in 2010 undermined democracy by portraying that a huge number of Filipinos — 42 percent — at that early date (December 2010 ) already had chosen Benigno Aquino 3rd, when the reality was, if those undecided were properly reported, it would turn out only 27 percent did, which was within Villar’s striking distance.

 
Moore (2012), who was a former vice president of Gallup Poll, lamented in his book that bogus pre-election polls, which do not accurately reflect the extent of the undecided, falsely create the front-runners.
These consequently attract more volunteers to their campaign, stimulate contributions to their kitty, and increase their media coverage – which, in turn, raise their name-recall.

The effects of such false polls are magnified in the Philippine setting, as campaign finances are mostly donations from big businessmen, who allocate their contributions depending on candidates’ ranks in the polls. They were fooled by Aquino’s fake lead in December, which SWS and PulseAsia maintained at the 40 percent levels in the succeeding months. Being opportunists the businessmen were, they threw their money behind Aquino, making the initial bogus poll findings of 40 percent preference a self-fulfilling prophecy.

A tool for democracy, to crystallize public opinion?
Hardly. And I understand now why the late Marcos, through the Development Academy of the Philippines, had Mangahas and Felipe Miranda (who founded PulseAsia) develop the method starting in 1982."

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Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Oct 19, 2015, 10:28 AM
See the article with charts and tables here:
http://www.manilatimes.net/how-sws-and-pulse-asia-have-been-fooling-us-and-undermining-democracy/224492/
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Ironkiwi on Oct 19, 2015, 11:49 AM
Bawii ko na boto kay Miriam, pinatunayan nya na sya si Brenda ng kunin nyang VP si Bongbong
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: freefront on Oct 19, 2015, 01:27 PM
See the article with charts and tables here:
http://www.manilatimes.net/how-sws-and-pulse-asia-have-been-fooling-us-and-undermining-democracy/224492/

lols. Parang PMT lang  :hihi:

Ganito:

Bago sagutin ang tanong na ---" Saan mo gustong pumunta pag namatay ka? Sa langit o impiyerno?"

Itanong muna kung---"Naniniwala ka ba sa Dios?"
O kaya pag may comedy lang dahil lumalabas naman na ang mga may Kaunteh----" Mamamatay ka ba?"  :hihi:

Mga ayaw ko:

Anak ng dating presidente, mga celebrity and/or anak ng mga artista

Dating Vice president.

Gurl. Lalo na kung walang work experience at todo sympathy vote.

Ano pa ba? Buti na lang hindi tumakbo si Duterte. Pag Erap din lang magsalita at mambabae.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Oct 19, 2015, 04:28 PM
^^^^
meron pang nakaexperience lang pumila sa MRT once akala mo alam na nangyayari sa buong bansa.


Isa sa mga nakakainis na imahe sa daan yung mga taong naninigarilyo habang naglalakad. Sorry sa mga mao-offend, pero dahil ditto, napakaraming hindi naninigarilyo ang expose pa rin sa lung cancer. Bagay na hidni ata alam ni Miriam kahit nagkaroon pa sya ng lung cancer. Kung alam nya ang nangyayaring ito sa daan matagal na syang nagpasa ng batas laban sa smoking while walking.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: TulogSaPancitan on Oct 20, 2015, 03:27 PM
Bawii ko na boto kay Miriam, pinatunayan nya na sya si Brenda ng kunin nyang VP si Bongbong

yup. that's my first reason not voting for her. 2nd, she might die at any moment. health is important too.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Jayumaster on Oct 20, 2015, 05:11 PM
It is very regrettable to say that binay has a huge chance to win.  :bahalaka:
Not only that he gets the C -E vote. Even big businessmen will vote for him.
While in tambay mode sa mga bars sa manila with some businessman friends, chatting about politics, mostly if not all of them said they will support nog.
Bakit? Tanong ko. Iisa lng ang tema ng mga sagot:
Dun malaki ang ganansya eh.  Buset :boxing:
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: freefront on Oct 20, 2015, 11:29 PM
^ 6 years of that amoral b*tch? barf.

Any candidate that said, " I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA......" >>>Nope.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: behemoth09 on Oct 21, 2015, 06:44 AM
Lets vote Rodrigo Duterte if his going to run for presidency!  :rakenrol:
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Oct 21, 2015, 06:51 AM
May chance pa si Duterte until December 10. Wala pa atang announced ang partido nila na presidential candidate
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Namron on Oct 21, 2015, 10:44 AM
Rodrigo 'Digong' Duterte for President.......parang awa nyo na sa mga OFW

 :thankyou: :thankyou: :thankyou:
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: keera on Nov 25, 2015, 11:39 AM
I did not read the entire thing because my choice for president is not on the list. Can you please edit the list and our mayor Dingong on the list? He proclaimed he's running last weekend. Yes, he hasn't filed his coc yet and there are hindrances but I think he can run.

I'm from Zamboanga Sibugay but in the 6 years of the last 10 years of my life I lived in Davao, I'm in Makati now. I've seen his works. He is more walk than talk. Everything you see or hear on the internet with our 911, our police, the no smoking, the speed limit and everything is true. So why Digong? Because he is what we need right now.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: palailai on Nov 25, 2015, 12:34 PM
DU30....final answer!
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: freefront on Nov 25, 2015, 12:53 PM
Yep. Clean up the choices in that poll TS( the owner of this site is far too busy drinking martini in some faraway beach)
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Post by: bauer on Nov 25, 2015, 02:41 PM
DU30....final answer!

^Paano yan tapos na period of filing?

Yung papalitan naman niya halimbawa si martin dino (PDP Laban) yung form na ginamit application for President pero sa personal certification niya "I hereby certify to run for MAYOR of Pasay City" using the same application form.

Mas malala pa legal problem niya kesa kay POE sa kanyang kandidatura.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Nov 25, 2015, 03:42 PM
@ Bauer,
hindi ba pagkakamali ng comelec un?
filing for national post yun e, bakit merong Mayor form

Pagnanalong president si Duterte mas malaki ang legal problem na kahaharapin nya. Maraming maglalabasan na human rights advocate na paiimpeach sya. hehehehe
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: palailai on Nov 25, 2015, 04:39 PM
^Paano yan tapos na period of filing?

Yung papalitan naman niya halimbawa si martin dino (PDP Laban) yung form na ginamit application for President pero sa personal certification niya "I hereby certify to run for MAYOR of Pasay City" using the same application form.

Mas malala pa legal problem niya kesa kay POE sa kanyang kandidatura.

If walang duterte...balik Miriam D.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: darkknight on Nov 25, 2015, 06:52 PM
Alam naman natin na attorney rin si DU30 kaya alam nya ang mga legality sa kanyang kandidatura. Hindi naman sya magpapahayag ng kandidatura sa pagka -Pangulo kung magdidis-qualify din sya sa bandang huli,di ba?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: DreamWalker on Nov 25, 2015, 07:27 PM
Yep. Clean up the choices in that poll TS( the owner of this site is far too busy drinking martini in some faraway beach)

puwede na siguro edit ng admin kasi matagal ng MIA ung nag start ng poll, and besides confirm na ung choices ng for president.

TS Last Active:
Apr 02, 2015, 05:40 PM
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Nov 26, 2015, 02:03 PM
Alam naman natin na attorney rin si DU30 kaya alam nya ang mga legality sa kanyang kandidatura. Hindi naman sya magpapahayag ng kandidatura sa pagka -Pangulo kung magdidis-qualify din sya sa bandang huli,di ba?

^A practicing lawyer is quite different from a lawyer by title and working in executive department for a long time.  Kaya nga ang SC requires a mandatory training every 3 years kasi kinakalawang kapag walang review.  Legal is not Science.

Iba kay Duterte -- man-made mistake kaya may problema sa pagtakbo niya kung bakit ba naman kase ang daming arte eh kung nag file siya on time, maiiwasan sana ito.  Yung disqualification cases kay POE was a problem not made by POE (circumstances lang talaga na naging pulot siya kaya may problema).

Si Roxas napaka hipokrito na tao pagkatapos niya ligawan si POE at na reject ngayon sasabihin hindi daw dapat tumakbo ang foreigner.  Sus! Kaya sira-sira mga tren natin ngayon eh.

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: ghanie on Nov 27, 2015, 12:36 AM
Kris Aquino. :)
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: apingdaldal on Nov 28, 2015, 03:12 PM
Kris Aquino. :)

you think this is entertaining and funny?

sorry but its not.   :thumbsdow
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on Nov 29, 2015, 01:55 AM
Meron ako narinig na isang gustong mangyari ni Poe. Ang magkaroon ng Loan sa education para sa mga kapuspalad na gustong makatapos ng pag aaral narinig ko ito doon sa interview kay Isko Moreno hindi kasi ako nagbabasa ng political news pero gusto ko itong plano ni Mam Grace. Maaring ang batang gustong makatapos ng pag aaral ay makakautang para makapag patuloy at pag nakatapos na at magka trabaho ay saka niya babayaran ang utang malaking posibilidad na magyari ang ganito at gustong gusto ko ito saludo ako.

Hindi ko na iniisip ang pansariling interest boboto ako hindi lang para sa kapakanan ng mga anak ko para rin sa mga kabataan at sa mga susunod na henerasyon na itong mga ganitong bagay maging precedent at maipagpatuloy ng mga susunod na pangulo.

Iboto po natin si Poe para sa kinabukasan ng mga kabataan.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jumi07 on Dec 01, 2015, 08:07 PM
@gineto. Well, sorry about what happened to Grace Poe's candidacy. Indeed her platform is good. Student loans ala US Style. But much more bearable since mas maliit lang ang tuition fee dito sa RP kung icocompare sa US.

With the issue at hand, who do you think will Poe's supporters will turn to?

As of now, all Grace Poe's supporters are lost sheep.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on Dec 02, 2015, 03:24 AM
@gineto. Well, sorry about what happened to Grace Poe's candidacy. Indeed her platform is good. Student loans ala US Style. But much more bearable since mas maliit lang ang tuition fee dito sa RP kung icocompare sa US.

With the issue at hand, who do you think will Poe's supporters will turn to?

As of now, all Grace Poe's supporters are lost sheep.

Nanghinayang ako kung iisipin mabuti ganito ang nangyari kinukuha siya ng administration para tumakbong Vice President ni Mar ano ang ibig sabihin nito ang talagang trabaho ng Vice President kung hindi siya bibigyan ng assignment ng President ay pumunta lang sa tabi at maghintay na mamatay ang Presidente at kung mawala na ang kasalukuyang Presidente ay siya ang papalit.

So kung siya pala ay tumakbong Vice at manalo at nawala ang nanalong Presidente ay siya rin naman din ang magiging presidente. E ang kaso nilabanan niya ang administration kaya gumawa ngayon ng dahilan para madisqualify siya ito tuloy ang kinahinatnan niya.

Ang ganda ganda ng gobyerno ang galing BULOK  :applause: ilan kaya ang nakaka intindi nito:  watchuthink:
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: palailai on Dec 02, 2015, 08:18 AM
Am totally disappointed with DU30 final answer ko pa naman siya...listening to his proclamation made me realise that were not compatible...isip isip uli sa natitirang prsentiables.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Dec 02, 2015, 08:30 AM
Miriam D or Duterte pa rin, mas ok na sa akin si Duterte, yung tipong walang iniingatang pangalan katulad ng ibang politicians kaya ok lang sa kanya na tumira ng ibang tao tutal sya naman nag eexpose ng sarili nyang baho. Baka nga naman high time na na magkaroon tayo ng isang president na gaya nya. Nalulungkot ako para kay Leni, OT lang, pero parang sa way nang pagsasalita nya nacoconvert na sya  ng palasyo sa pamumulitika
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Dec 02, 2015, 08:39 AM
Di na ako naniniwala sa plataporma. Lahat ng naranasang kong presidente , panay salita lang, walang nagawa. Si Ramos lang siguro yun nagpabuhay ng ekonomiya after kapalpakan ni Cory, pero super kurakot naman.

Kaya basehan ko is track record. And Im not against it. Du30 pa rin. Some  may dislike his style, I dont.

Another difference. Hindi siya banal na aso , santong kabayo.

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Ironkiwi on Dec 02, 2015, 11:34 AM
Mayor D. sayang naman yung boto ko para sa iyo sana, Presidente ng buong Pilipinas hindi isang bayan o barangay lang. tsk tsk tsk
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Dec 02, 2015, 01:33 PM
Kwento na may kinalaman sa DAAN

Ano ang slogan ni PNoy  ------- Matuwid na DAAN

Slogan ng Iglesia ni Cristo ------- Harangan ang DAAN! (Edsa)

Slogan ni Eli Soriano -------------- Lumang DAAN

Slogan ni Binay  -------------------- Limang DAAN

Slogan ni Duterte ------------------ May tutumba sa DAAN

Slogan ni Enrile -------------------- Walang pinagkatanDAAN
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: george88 on Dec 02, 2015, 01:35 PM
1 down 3 more to go. Binay will go to jail before election. Miriam will withdraw its candidacy due to health condition or worst she might gone before election if she do national campaign. Cancer love stress
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Dec 02, 2015, 01:40 PM
Ang taong walang respeto sa DIYOS at PAMILYA

Ang taong walang respeto sa MAAYOS AT MALINIS na PANANALITA lalo na sa harap ng mga bata

Ang taong walang respeto sa KARAPATAN ng bawat tao ipagtanggol ang kanilang sarili sa bintang na pagkakasala sa batas

AY KAILANMAN WALANG KARAPATAN HIRANGIN PRESIDENTE NG BAYAN.

Marami pa tayong pwedeng pagpilian.  Si duterte ay hindi Diyos. Si duterte ay hindi mas mataas pa sa batas ng lipunan.

Kung kaya natin tanggapin ang ganitong klaseng tao, ANO NA TAYO?


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Post by: george88 on Dec 02, 2015, 01:58 PM
Ang taong walang respeto sa DIYOS at PAMILYA

Ang taong walang respeto sa MAAYOS AT MALINIS na PANANALITA lalo na sa harap ng mga bata

Ang taong walang respeto sa KARAPATAN ng bawat tao ipagtanggol ang kanilang sarili sa bintang na pagkakasala sa batas

AY KAILANMAN WALANG KARAPATAN HIRANGIN PRESIDENTE NG BAYAN.

Marami pa tayong pwedeng pagpilian.  Si duterte ay hindi Diyos. Si duterte ay hindi mas mataas pa sa batas ng lipunan.

Kung kaya natin tanggapin ang ganitong klaseng tao, ANO NA TAYO?




Naiintindihan kita pero yun ang personality nya pero the way he work makes the difference. Tignan mo kung gaano kakupal si Steve Job pero yun ba ang tinitignan ng tao?

Tama na ang banal na aso at santong kabayo. Ng dinaanan ng Yolanda ang Tacloban ginusto ba ito ng Diyos mo? Bumaba ba sa langit ang diyos na sinasabi mo para tulungan ang mga nasalanta? Hindi kundi ang mga tao sa ibat ibang panig ng mundo ay tumulong sa mga nasalanta. Ito ay natural calamity ng ating mundo at kahit inosenteng tao wala syang pakialam dito.

Walang tamang batas sa pumapatay at nanggagahasa lalo na at ito ay brutal na ginagawa. Buhay ang kinuha buhay din ang kapalait simple lang kung malinis ang kulungan hindi na kailangan pang mag alot ng budget para sa Jail at idagdag na lang sa pondo ng edukasyon.

Kung makukulong si Binay wala ka ng pagpipilian pa si Mar para ituloy ang tuwad na daan o ngyayari sa iyong kapaligiran o yung isa na hinusgahan natin dahil lang sa pananalita nya. Pag hindi nakulong si Binay pwede mong tanggapin ang limang daan at pumikit ka na lang pagkaboto mo sa kanya

Walang pumupilit sa kanyang bumoto willing syang magwithdraw. Kaya malamang hindi nya rin kailangan ng boto mo
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Dec 02, 2015, 03:41 PM
I respect everyones opinion here... After all, votes are opinion based.

Roxas track record... Sweet talking... Madaldal... Salita lang... Check niyo yun nag epal siya at nagtraffic sa edsa. Siya ang nagpatraffic sa edsa habang nagtatrafic sa edsa... Lol.. And as what george says - yolanda, nakurakot. Matuwid na daan...papunta sa bulsa...lol

Poe - amgirl. Track record, nada. Ayyy mali, track record- tatay niya.

Mirriam - my other alternative... Too much what ifsss... Hope she recovers and be healthy soon.

Binay - track record, makati... Really? Compare makati cbd and makati tagiliran. Tagilid talaga...trapo... Old school...

Duterte - track record- davao. Really!! What he says he does. Doer.  Human rights violation? Sino nagmamahal sa CHR dito, taas ang kamay....hehe

@bauer, dunno if you mentioned it already earlier, but if you dont mind me asking, who is your personal choice? No worries if you want to keep it private..

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: george88 on Dec 02, 2015, 04:09 PM
Davao could be a prototype city for entire philippines. Kahit magbago tayo pero hindi nagbabago yung mga nakaupo nothing will change. Tadtad ng premature TV ads ang 2 higanteng TV station ngayon using the people money from underspending
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on Dec 02, 2015, 08:23 PM
See D30 ang inyong presidente nag speech ng lasing.


Right click highlight and go to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOJdHfy7pHE
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: darkknight on Dec 02, 2015, 09:29 PM
Of all the candidates, I choose...DU30 !
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Dec 03, 2015, 07:43 AM
Napapaisip ako kung kaya ba ni DUterte na gawin ang nagawa nya sa Davao sa buong Pinas. Iba ang national sa local scene. Pero malay mo nga naman magawa nya talaga yun, wag lang syang mag ala Marcos na magkaroon ng maraming desaparecidos

Kung si Poe, mejo bago pa lang. Di ko minamaliit ang kakayahan nya pero sa dami nang matatalinong politicians na nasa paligid nya baka kung anu ano ang maging desisyon nya dahil sa pagpapaikot ng mga taong yan. Kung si PNoy nga na matagal nang pulitiko hindi kayang I-analyze kung ano ang mali sa mga advice ng advisor nya. (See the 30minute -application of business  statements)

Kay Poe para kang may CCTV camera na makikita mo ang nangyari AFTER na ng krimen, wala kasing nagbabantay talaga sa camera, pinabayaan lang.

Binay? Nagpayaman naman sa Makati mga Ayala e. Questionable na wala syang magagawa sa Makati kahit isa sa laki ng taxes sa Makati

Si Mar, sya lang ang kandidatong walang issue. Baka sya pa ang manalo. SI Binay may kaso, si Poe may issue sa citizenship, si Duterte may issue sa COC at si Miriam may health problem.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Dec 03, 2015, 07:49 AM
Si Gloria nasa harap na ng bahay nya yung simbahan may issue sa corruption
Si Bong yumakap pa sa pari sa mga pictures may issue sa corruption
Si Panlilio, pari may issue sa undeclared campaigns at non performance sa Pampanga.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Dec 03, 2015, 10:08 AM
From a netizen :

Excuse me dear Archbishop Socrates Villegas. I respect YOUR point of view against the immoral acts of Mayor Duterte but im sorry to tell YOU that all the candidates that the catholic church have supported since YOUR so called "saint" Madam Cory Aquino up to her son Noynoy have FAILED this country so many times.

I do not know what your STANDARDS are when YOU suggest for a candidate for the whole catholic population of the Philippines to vote for. But again NONE of them who won were a SOLUTION to YOUR so called "CORRUPTION".

If YOU could look at all the candidates as if YOU were god, i believe none of them will fit the category as a righteous leader. I have faith in YOU that YOU memorize by heart the holy gospel therefore YOU are aware that there is no one above god who is perfect and i believe YOU do agree to that.

This country does not need a HOLY MAN who cannot heal the sickness of the Philippines but it needs a doctor to uproot this so called disease in the government.

SOME of the candidates are EVIL and the obligation of the Filipino people is to choose the lesser evil . If you are not satisfied with any of the presidential candidates why dont you run for president yourself. Im sure the catholic church would support YOU.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Dec 03, 2015, 10:21 AM
Di na ako naniniwala sa plataporma. Lahat ng naranasang kong presidente , panay salita lang, walang nagawa. Si Ramos lang siguro yun nagpabuhay ng ekonomiya after kapalpakan ni Cory, pero super kurakot naman.

Kaya basehan ko is track record. And Im not against it. Du30 pa rin. Some  may dislike his style, I dont.

Another difference. Hindi siya banal na aso , santong kabayo.



:hello: GS!

if you like his style then you’re like saying killing is not morally wrong if a person in power does it. Or its not ok if Binay does it or Chiz does it. Its ok if Duterte does it because he makes a difference?

Its funny how we can easily make compromises (morally) to accommodate a person we believe will SAVE us. In the first place, why do you feel we need a savior? Victim mentality? Si Duterte ang ating makabagong super-hero kaya ok lang patayin nya ang mga taong pinaniniwalaan nyang kriminal without the benefit of due process/trial?

I have fb friends who were up in arms when the Francis Tolentino-sponsored sex-simulation dance happened in an LP sortie, but when Duterte was greeted last sunday with scantily-clad ladies sitting on his lap.. and he admitted he has killed a number of people... and he is a womanizer.... no reaction. 

Please see beyond the drama. wala tayo sa kalyeserye, dont be mesmerized by the thug life portrayals na parang mga asong ulol na nagpapalakpakan sa bawat mura na lumalabas sa bibig nya.

buti matagal pa eleksyon... sasabayan ko na lang si alma moreno na magdasal.. dasal lang talaga yan... :D
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Dec 03, 2015, 10:58 AM
Hi bjj!! :)

I get you ü  for me, im just choosing the lesser evil.

It took decades for davao to be what it is now. Im realistic enough and I knowDuterte cant do it within 6 years. But we gotta start somewhere.   I dont think he is a super hero at all. Not at all.

This cliche saying or to that effect: "we need to change. Change is within us. We dont expect the government to change us"  to some degree its true. But how can we change if theres no discipline. The sad truth is freedom according to a lot of filipinos is freedom to obey or disobey the law. Obeying the law has become an option.

Dumaan na ako sa 6 na presidente. Hmmm... Halos pareho lang tayo? Hehehe...

And no change. They promise change and there is no change. It has to start somewhere.

Lalaban ako ng pustahan, there will be no change kung si Binay, roxas o Poe ang uupo. We cant see the starting point pag sila uupo. Im sure of that. But kay Du30, im willing to take that chance.

Regarding who is morally upright, roxas? Binay? Poe? Mirriam?

Im choosing the lesser evil who is a doer. I wont choose the "morer evil" who is just a talker. :)

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on Dec 03, 2015, 01:14 PM
Ito lang po ang masasabi ko kahit sinong presidente ang uupo wala talagang change; Ang inaasahan ko lang improvement hindi pagbabago.

Hindi lang peace and order ang problema ng Bansa Kung ang bawat Filipino masagana walang crooked na pulis, walang magnanakaw, walang mag corrupt, wang mang hostage, walang magbenta ng drugs, walang krimen etc.... Dito pa lang alam na natin kung saan dapat mag concentrate ang bagong administration.

Hindi na bayan ang pinag uusapan buong bansa napakalawak at ang pinakamahalaga na unang magawa ay paano mapag iisa ang bawat bayan ang pag kakaisa.



Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: george88 on Dec 03, 2015, 05:19 PM
Unusual from a newspaper it seems they care too. Maybe for their kids future

(http://s224.photobucket.com/user/hisoka28/media/12313848_10153759013687012_2807129358699687106_n_zpsfehi0lrd.jpg.html)

http://s224.photobucket.com/user/hisoka28/media/12313848_10153759013687012_2807129358699687106_n_zpsfehi0lrd.jpg.html (http://s224.photobucket.com/user/hisoka28/media/12313848_10153759013687012_2807129358699687106_n_zpsfehi0lrd.jpg.html)
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Wills on Dec 03, 2015, 11:58 PM
Bajoyjoy is right.

We are all frustrated with what's happening in our country that's why a lot of people wants Duterte(a quick fix solution).

In my experience a quick fix solution usually produces more problems in the future.

What I'm scared about Duterte is his leftist view, imagine what kind of policies he will change or dictate if he became a president.

Dig deeper especially on Duterte.
Title: Updated candidates Poll : Your President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Dec 04, 2015, 12:59 AM
Updated list..

You can change your vote. I click the PMT setting that allow users to change vote...So for example you vote for Poe and she gets disqualified, or lets say youre for Duterte and he withdraws... you can change your vote... apparently.

You can keep your anonymity.

If you are vocal about your candidate, suggested format:

I vote for xxxxx. Reason : xxxxx
Im not voting for yyyyyy. Reason : yyyyy
Im not votingfor zzzzz. Reason: zzzzz

Edit : It works. There is a Remove Vote button after you cast your vote. So you can change your mind unlimited times...


Urgghh.. wanted to add other candidates like Seneres, Syjuco etc but it seems i cant edit the poll list. Nor can i delete this poll.... tsktskk.....

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Dec 04, 2015, 01:36 AM
I dont think so. Duterte is not a quick fix solution. Thats the misconception a lot of people think. Especially those who are not voting for him.

He even admitted in one of his interviews that he cannot do it in 6 years. Thats why its gonna be dictatorship, dicatorship with stiff consequence for the corrupt... I believe it is doable....

Dont vote for him if you are not willing to take the chance. Vote for the candidate who you think can make a positive impact. The irony is, he/she only has 6 years to make that impact...after that, reset reboot rewind and replay, another round of bruhahaha like what we are having here now...hehe

For me there is really no better alternative even I agree with jenostructures that he may not actually win.. Win or lose, cast your vote according to your conscience.
Most likely, he will just be a "what Phil could have become  if he had won"...

You are right though, Will. Dig deeper especially on Duterte.
http://www.rappler.com/nation/politics/elections/2016/111096-leadership-duterte-style (http://www.rappler.com/nation/politics/elections/2016/111096-leadership-duterte-style)
Title: Re: Updated candidates Poll : Your President in 2016?
Post by: darkknight on Dec 04, 2015, 12:11 PM
 I will vote for DU30 : Reason : MAD for Change !
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: darkknight on Dec 04, 2015, 12:23 PM
He even admitted in one of his interviews that he cannot do it in 6 years...ok lang kahit 6 years lang basta ba naumpisan. Maybe Senator Allan Cayetano will continue (if will win the vice presidency).. so thats another 6 years.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Dec 04, 2015, 03:17 PM
@bauer, dunno if you mentioned it already earlier, but if you dont mind me asking, who is your personal choice? No worries if you want to keep it private..


^I already divulged my preference over twitter.  Pero, tingnan natin kapag 1 month na lang bago mag election for final preference dahil sa dami ng kaso ng ilang presidentiables.  On dec.11, we will know kung hindi rin DQ si DU30.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Dec 04, 2015, 11:30 PM
^I already divulged my preference over twitter.  Pero, tingnan natin kapag 1 month na lang bago mag election for final preference dahil sa dami ng kaso ng ilang presidentiables.  On dec.11, we will know kung hindi rin DQ si DU30.

Sayang.. I dont have a twitter account... Jut hoping Du30 will be in the ballot list....
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Dec 04, 2015, 11:55 PM
Lets dig deeper for Duterte.... Lots of points mentioned. Some you may agree, some you may dont. Some are more important to you, some are less important. Compare with other candidates.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_Fg8CgiCCg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_Fg8CgiCCg)
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Market_Market on Dec 05, 2015, 03:23 AM
He even admitted in one of his interviews that he cannot do it in 6 years. Thats why its gonna be dictatorship, dicatorship with stiff consequence for the corrupt... I believe it is doable....

Personally hindi ko gusto ng violence, kahit sa masasamang tao.  I'm against death penalty.  (Although sometimes I feel happiness kung me napapanood akong video na me napatay sa masasamang loob - Yes, I'm a bit ashamed of myself for feeling joy.)

I do not like people like Duterte who would resort to killing instead of rehabilitation.

Naiiyak man ako, pero agree ako ke GoodSteward.  Gusto ko ng change!
For now, I guess I have to sacrifice my beliefs, a little bit of what makes me a moral person in order to support him.
Halos lahat naman ng masasagang bansa dumaan sa dark ages.  Dumaan na tayo nung martial law kaso hindi tayo tumino.
So baka ito na yung dark age natin in terms of finding solution for corruption.
It won't be moral... but it might be what we need to change as a nation.

PD: I'm torn between Duterte and Miriam.

FYI: All my family members are voting for Duterte.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: ferrariEverest on Dec 05, 2015, 12:51 PM
Unusual from a newspaper it seems they care too. Maybe for their kids future

(http://s224.photobucket.com/user/hisoka28/media/12313848_10153759013687012_2807129358699687106_n_zpsfehi0lrd.jpg.html)

http://s224.photobucket.com/user/hisoka28/media/12313848_10153759013687012_2807129358699687106_n_zpsfehi0lrd.jpg.html (http://s224.photobucket.com/user/hisoka28/media/12313848_10153759013687012_2807129358699687106_n_zpsfehi0lrd.jpg.html)
Haha Dapat pareho sila magbago :D
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: ferrariEverest on Dec 05, 2015, 12:54 PM
Sayang.. I dont have a twitter account... Jut hoping Du30 will be in the ballot list....
Mukhang Grace Poe si Sir bauer
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: lorenoops on Dec 05, 2015, 03:12 PM
naalala ko yung isang video sa facebook..

Huwag mong iboto si duterte kung gusto mo manalo yung mga bait-baitan at galing-galingan effect sa kampanya wala naman nagagawang matino kapag nakaupo na.. noh? XD
Title: Re: Updated candidates Poll : Your President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on Dec 05, 2015, 06:02 PM
Ok na rin naman kahit hindi na baguhin tuloy ang usapan magbasa basa na lang ako baka di na lang ako boboto. Pero hintay parin ako ng campaign nila yun ang deciding factor.
Title: Re: Updated candidates Poll : Your President in 2016?
Post by: Market_Market on Dec 06, 2015, 12:52 AM
Wow!  100% Duterte including my vote.
But I'm still having second thoughts... morality concerns.

I just finished watching an Anime about Demons and Angels.  The angel and the "good" side would sacrifice innocents for what they believe would be the greater good.  The demon won't allow innocents to be sacrificed.  Anyway, at the end the demon won.  No innocents died.  The viewer of the anime would see the demon as the hero. (Wala lang.)

Amazing!  We can change our votes!   :cool2:
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: FutureGizmo on Dec 06, 2015, 09:31 AM
Merged all threads about the Philippine Presidential election and updated the poll to include only those who have officially announced their intention to run. Boto na sa poll natin!
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Dec 06, 2015, 10:09 AM
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1259890417371272 (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1259890417371272) :)
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: heero on Dec 06, 2015, 12:21 PM
What about Miriam-Duterte tandem?

If you think about what motivates each one of them to run for presidency - Miriam wants to leave her legacy and ultimately sacrifice her life for the country;
and Duterte heeds the people's calling for change, but he's willingness to run for the love of his country remains to be proven. He consistently dares voter not to vote him if they don't like him. Whatever runs to his head is definitely mind-boggling.

A scenario where Miriam as president, she would be able to incept the most needed reform to our constitution, having been able to seat as a legislator for decades and witness how people interpret / follow / violate and work around our laws, she would be the most fit candidate to reform our constitution.

Once Miriam's legacy is completed, she could resign, and enjoy the rest of her private life with her family. Duterte can take over the executive position and do what he does best to bring back the respect and long-lost integrity of public institution in our country.

The iron-lady do what he does best, constitutes and reforms the charter, the dirty harry, executes and enforces the law. They're the only people (the one's running) and only scenario I see which can bring meaningful change to our country.

Honestly, i don't trust the people around them, their political parties, trapo lobbyist, influential oligarchs sponsors. Having this two people talk together and if both parties truly cares for the country and its people, one will give way for the other. Both aspires the better for the country, it's just regrettable if they don't unite, as both compliments each other. Maybe, and just maybe, if it ever happens that's going to be the golden years for Filipinos.

Regarding the vote, am torn between Madam Miriam and Sir Duterte, am still hoping for their union.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Dec 07, 2015, 01:05 PM
Mukhang Grace Poe si Sir bauer

^Hala......... may twitter account ka?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Dec 07, 2015, 01:08 PM
Wow!  100% Duterte including my vote.
But I'm still having second thoughts... morality concerns.

I just finished watching an Anime about Demons and Angels.  The angel and the "good" side would sacrifice innocents for what they believe would be the greater good.  The demon won't allow innocents to be sacrificed.  Anyway, at the end the demon won.  No innocents died.  The viewer of the anime would see the demon as the hero. (Wala lang.)

Amazing!  We can change our votes!   :cool2:

^ Just happened to read this quote from Boo Chanco (Philippine star):

"It is dangerous for SURVIVAL of our DEMOCRACY if government gets this habit of failure or inability to govern. 

A STRONGMAN can use it to gain the support of DISENCHANTED people who are sick and tired of the mess we are in."
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on Dec 07, 2015, 05:38 PM
Be aware beware!

Whenever election time is near

Every politician's action is a publicity every photo ops is a publicity every interview is a publicity, everybody wanted to get credited for even a small deeds they make.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: freefront on Dec 09, 2015, 04:18 AM
I dont think so. Duterte is not a quick fix solution. Thats the misconception a lot of people think. Especially those who are not voting for him.

He even admitted in one of his interviews that he cannot do it in 6 years. Thats why its gonna be dictatorship, dicatorship with stiff consequence for the corrupt... I believe it is doable....

Dont vote for him if you are not willing to take the chance. Vote for the candidate who you think can make a positive impact. The irony is, he/she only has 6 years to make that impact...after that, reset reboot rewind and replay, another round of bruhahaha like what we are having here now...hehe

For me there is really no better alternative even I agree with jenostructures that he may not actually win.. Win or lose, cast your vote according to your conscience.
Most likely, he will just be a "what Phil could have become  if he had won"...

You are right though, Will. Dig deeper especially on Duterte.
http://www.rappler.com/nation/politics/elections/2016/111096-leadership-duterte-style (http://www.rappler.com/nation/politics/elections/2016/111096-leadership-duterte-style)

Duterte is a very seductive figure. I don't mean in a sexual way. Although a lot of women will probably shed light on  that area.

Consider this, and I'm familiar with it ( being that I've gone thru' 6 presidents, too)---Duterte is that person na " your face sounds familiar". I had a good rolling laughter with some of his pronouncements. Example, yung sa ayaw nya tumakbo daw. That touched a nerve. He's like a pick-up artist. Tipong, "matigas din lang ang ulo nyo, bahala kayo kung anong kahihitnan nyo". Perfect cop out mechanism for when things go bad and the blame game gets played. The hook there--- if you don't mind him really well, it will be your fault if he misbehaves because you tolerate his crassness, the drinking, the womanizing whatever... he's got you. And then, newspapers tell of a story of him apologizing, he'll try to tone it down, and he'll pay a fine every time he cusses on media.

See that? If that doesn't seduce people into thinking that, "here's a bad boy, but he'll be responsive to what you feel", ewan ko na kung ano pa ang ikaka-kilig ng masa. Because at this point, we are in that place where we feel nobody listens anymore! Much less do something about it ( could be anything from traffic, floods, peace and order, education blah blah blah).

He doesn't project desperation either. Thus, he gets more attractive. Duterte- 2, Mar Roxas- 0 and going to the negative left.

Not that they'd admit it openly, there's a few men and women in all walks of life who are raring to express their noble side. People who want to do the right thing but are drowning in the system. They think they have a chance to be dutiful to God, Country and family with Duterte at the helm. Bless their cotton socks, I wish them well. If only their future president doesn't get smothered in politics. Oh... he thinks he'll get assassinated if he follows through with what he says he'll do----and he gets more votes for that.

Which brings as to due process. I invite everybody to please drop dead if you haven't actively or passively aided to the corruption of the justice system. If you are related to people in our justice system, back up slowly and move away. Right. Who said I killed all my idealism. I believe Duterte is capitalizing on another seductive move- the kiss you imagined is a thousand times better than the one you actually had. He fires up the imagination that he'll mow down every criminal element that dares to enter his turf, and it works as a deterrent. Nothing new there. If anyone of you happened to go to Olongapo in the late '80s, you will fell like you needed a passport to go there and you hope nobody asks to see a visa. The peace and order was awesome. There were no barriers in the middle of the road, yet the people will walk a distance to cross the street via the zebra crossing ( that's Ped'xing to you, people). You won't see any candy wrappers or cigarette butts on the street. None. I think Dick Gordon managed to ride on the reputation of his late father( deterrent reputation  :D), if he didn't gain one himself.

Yes, It comes down to the choice for lesser evil. Five, as in 5, months away.  In the meantime, his cordon sanitaire will sweat at putting him in shape for the bigger arena.

On to the DQ's. Did Duterte get a pass on that Comelec issue? Should Miriam be compelled to disclose her medical records re her cancer?



Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Dec 09, 2015, 11:16 AM
Duterte is a very seductive figure. I don't mean in a sexual way. Although a lot of women will probably shed light on  that area.

Consider this, and I'm familiar with it ( being that I've gone thru' 6 presidents, too)---Duterte is that person na " your face sounds familiar". I had a good rolling laughter with some of his pronouncements. Example, yung sa ayaw nya tumakbo daw. That touched a nerve. He's like a pick-up artist. Tipong, "matigas din lang ang ulo nyo, bahala kayo kung anong kahihitnan nyo". Perfect cop out mechanism for when things go bad and the blame game gets played. The hook there--- if you don't mind him really well, it will be your fault if he misbehaves because you tolerate his crassness, the drinking, the womanizing whatever... he's got you. And then, newspapers tell of a story of him apologizing, he'll try to tone it down, and he'll pay a fine every time he cusses on media.

See that? If that doesn't seduce people into thinking that, "here's a bad boy, but he'll be responsive to what you feel", ewan ko na kung ano pa ang ikaka-kilig ng masa. Because at this point, we are in that place where we feel nobody listens anymore! Much less do something about it ( could be anything from traffic, floods, peace and order, education blah blah blah).

He doesn't project desperation either. Thus, he gets more attractive. Duterte- 2, Mar Roxas- 0 and going to the negative left.

Not that they'd admit it openly, there's a few men and women in all walks of life who are raring to express their noble side. People who want to do the right thing but are drowning in the system. They think they have a chance to be dutiful to God, Country and family with Duterte at the helm. Bless their cotton socks, I wish them well. If only their future president doesn't get smothered in politics. Oh... he thinks he'll get assassinated if he follows through with what he says he'll do----and he gets more votes for that.

Which brings as to due process. I invite everybody to please drop dead if you haven't actively or passively aided to the corruption of the justice system. If you are related to people in our justice system, back up slowly and move away. Right. Who said I killed all my idealism. I believe Duterte is capitalizing on another seductive move- the kiss you imagined is a thousand times better than the one you actually had. He fires up the imagination that he'll mow down every criminal element that dares to enter his turf, and it works as a deterrent. Nothing new there. If anyone of you happened to go to Olongapo in the late '80s, you will fell like you needed a passport to go there and you hope nobody asks to see a visa. The peace and order was awesome. There were no barriers in the middle of the road, yet the people will walk a distance to cross the street via the zebra crossing ( that's Ped'xing to you, people). You won't see any candy wrappers or cigarette butts on the street. None. I think Dick Gordon managed to ride on the reputation of his late father( deterrent reputation  :D), if he didn't gain one himself.

Yes, It comes down to the choice for lesser evil. Five, as in 5, months away.  In the meantime, his cordon sanitaire will sweat at putting him in shape for the bigger arena.

On to the DQ's. Did Duterte get a pass on that Comelec issue? Should Miriam be compelled to disclose her medical records re her cancer?


A pretty neat piece of writing! A whole lot better than independent articles I've been reading in Rappler... I must admit, nose bleed a bit here and there though :)

Anyone one of you guys subscribed to News page in FB, especially ABSCBN? You'll notice how ABSCBN send subtle messages not to vote for Duterte. Nothing to report except giving  second hand opinion reports on Duterte's cussing. Virtual demolition job ongoing...

Think twice if you think Duterte is an urong-sulong kinda guy based on his "indecisiveness" to run for presidency before.

On the contrary, Duterte is freaking smart! He knows all along the YELLOW media will be the wrecking crew... Binay, who announced his presidential dream too early, suffered all the negative publicities. I'm not saying he does not deserve it.. my point is we see the power of mainstream media.

One good thing about social media. People voice out their sentiments, both sides. But what's more worth noting is, majority of the comments i read are pro-duterte, that may not be an accurate statistic to conclude duterte will get more votes. But we should consider that these people , using their real identities, not fake accounts, are all out in their support, despite his cussing. Anyone out to support Binay when he was being the target of demolition journalism? Very few...

Oh well, if Duterte does not win, we can still survive, I've survived 6 presidents. Another 6 years of same old same old, does not mean much.  But win or lose, I'm willing to take the chance on Duterte. Unless he is disqualified. Well, even Duterte told COMELEC to just disqualify him if they find any justification for doing so. He is not power-hungry.


Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Dec 09, 2015, 11:52 AM
Kung iisipin mo nga naman, kung sya yung ama mo na nirerespeto mo malalaman mo na minumura ng kapitbahay nyo, magwawala ka rin talaga. Kaya marami ang off sa ginawa ni Duterte. Pero may chance na mapatawad pa rin sya ang tema ng Jubilee ngayon ay "Mercy", :D

Buti si Miriam di maexkomunikado ng simbahan dahil sa primary endorser ng RH Bill

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on Dec 10, 2015, 12:27 AM
Be aware kayo sa mga style ng mga kandidato ingatan ang inyong boto.

Panahon ng yolanda may nagpa picture na epal kasama ng mga donations old style malayo pa may balak na.Yung isa naman unang una siya sa lahat nagpa interview ng paiyak iyak may balak rin yun bagong style parehas lang sila mag ingat dahil bawat kilos ay publicity. Do not be easily deceived be wise.

I am very vocal kasi natatakot ako yung isa he is really smart he wants everybody to lay down their cards before he enter yung isa kasi maka puti at siya kung tutoo man dalawa ang grupong kaibigan maka kaliwa at iba pang mga grupo na namumundok sa Mindanao sila ba ang nag utos kaya bigla na lang siya umeksena? Dahil delikado sila kung mananalo yung dating puti.

Kaya hindi ako magtataka kung babalik ang death penalty dahilang ideology ng isang grupo kailangan pantay pantay ganun din yung isang grupo. Ano na lang ang mangyayari sa Spratly maka kaliwa din ang gobyerno ng China.  Tahimik lahat pantay pantay tikum ang bibig may curfew, aplicable ba sa lahat? Kung hindi at may mag oppose e di magulo. Pag dumampot ka ng buhangin at higpitan mo marami ang umaalpas sa kamay mo.

Isipin po nating mabuti maraming paraan upang mapabuti ang kalagayan ng bayan bawat isa sa kanila may katangian.

Ang kasabihan It is easier to deceive the people than to convince. Meron pong tinatawag na reverse psychology.

Mag ingat po mas mabuti pang alam na natin ang baraha ng kandidato kaysa doon sa urong sulong.

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: freefront on Dec 10, 2015, 04:15 AM
@GS

Duterte and  Binay took opposite tactics. One tried to stave off the early demolition job, the other probably banked on  our trait of having the attention span of a rabbit in heat. DoThirty ( that is what the DU30 sounds like, di ba  :D) seems more sympathetic because, who doesn't like a person who admits to his folly fast and hard? And looking sheepish while apologizing about it, too. The other, is just too slimy to even throw a glance at.

I apologize to the animals used for references  :hihi:
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Dec 10, 2015, 08:02 AM
^^^^ girls love badboy image ba? wehehehehe

Sa tingin jan sa death penalty kahit sino pa manalo sa pagkapangulo hindi basta basta mabubuksan ang batas na yan. Marami pwede ibalandra para hidni yan maisabatas ulit. Pangit naman ang justice system natin, kaya mahirap pa rin isabatas ang death sentence. Pero kung yung suspect ng Maguindanao Massacre para sa akin ok lang. Tapos sa kanya lang matapos.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: TulogSaPancitan on Dec 10, 2015, 04:58 PM
that we have the likes of duterte as a candidate and is popular is a sign of desperation to the part of the people who are tired of the mess we are in. but the catch is, the same people are unwilling to change. they want the govt to change but not themselves. good going. it’s like taking a pill and wishing hard everything will be ok.

not that i doubt duterte may bring change, better or worse. however, it is clear that he playing to filipino’s mind who are fickle and capricious. sunod sa uso. lapida mentality. only few have clear political viewpoint, and vast majority are swayed by popularity and sweet talk.

i just hope duterte voters understand deeply the implications he might bring to governance. i hope that people understand clearly what they are bargaining for and will not sell out their values and ideals just becoz they are desperate. and most important that change in themselves is more potent force for better society than any messianic leader.

myself don’t give a sh*t who will be the next president. the congress will always be batsh*t stupid anyway. and the mass population are no better for voting these. 
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Dec 10, 2015, 05:23 PM
but the catch is, the same people are unwilling to change. they want the govt to change but not themselves. good going.

Where did you get that from? Trash. At least site some source or statistics. Well, if its just your opinion, its all bull.

Ill tackle the rest later.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: TulogSaPancitan on Dec 10, 2015, 05:52 PM
Where did you get that from? Trash. At least site some source or statistics. Well, if its just your opinion, its all bull.

Ill tackle the rest later.

how many govt change since marcos? and what type of political roster do we have? binay? estradas? dynasty?

who voted these guys? almost every election the theme is ito ang bagong simula. paulit ulit na problema. diff government same problem. anu ang common denominator? ang mga tao.

ningas kugon ika nga. change for a day in the heat of frenzy then balik sa dating gawi. it will be the same cycle.

we as society has lot to learn. its about time to bring responsibility in our heads than blame leaders of our own choosing.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Dec 10, 2015, 06:12 PM
how many govt change since marcos? and what type of political roster do we have? binay? estradas? dynasty?

who voted these guys? almost every election the theme is ito ang bagong simula. paulit ulit na problema. diff government same problem. anu ang common denominator? ang mga tao.

ningas kugon ika nga. change for a day in the heat of frenzy then balik sa dating gawi. it will be the same cycle.

we as society has lot to learn. its about time to bring responsibility in our heads than blame leaders of our own choosing.

Lakas ng kabig ah.. First its about dutertes supporters.

And now, you are generlizing voters in general.

Make up your mind.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Dec 10, 2015, 09:10 PM
who voted these guys? almost every election the theme is ito ang bagong simula. paulit ulit na problema. diff government same problem. anu ang common denominator? ang mga tao.


You are wrong. Hindi lang ang tao ang common denominator.

Pinoys became law abiding people abroad. A lot, when thay come back, they cant even cross the zebra lane (hi freefront ü) properly.  Its the people you say?  Or the overall system/ environment?

True, change should start fr ourselves. Such cliche, i mentioned that in my previous post. But lets get real here. Good leaders can initiate change. Tell me you dont agree with it.

Lets face it, all presidentiables bear certain public image, just look at those political ads on tv now. They try to create an image that can relate to the masses, who has the volume of voters. Dutertes image, whether intentionally crafted or he is how he is ( i believe the latter) may attract or turn off voters. And how i wish he gets the "popular" vote.

 only few have clear political viewpoint, Duterte is one of them, he is consistent with his interviews as well as his actions and track record. and vast majority are swayed by popularity and sweet talk. I hope Duterte will be popular for the vast majority, so he can win.  His way of "sweet" talking is accompanied by his "sweet" actions and achievements as evidenced by the transformation davao and davaoenos had.

Do not under estimate the power of a good leader.

If you build an army of 100 lions and their leader is a dog, in any fight, the lions will die like a dog. But if you build an army of 100 dogs and their leader is a lion, all dogs will fight like a lion. - Napoleon Bonaparte



Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: DreamWalker on Dec 10, 2015, 11:32 PM
You are wrong. Hindi lang ang tao ang common denominator.

Pinoys became law abiding people abroad. A lot, when thay come back, they cant even cross the zebra lane (hi freefront ü) properly.  Its the people you say?  Or the overall system/ environment?

True, change should start fr ourselves. Such cliche, i mentioned that in my previous post. But lets get real here. Good leaders can initiate change. Tell me you dont agree with it.

Lets face it, all presidentiables bear certain public image, just look at those political ads on tv now. They try to create an image that can relate to the masses, who has the volume of voters. Dutertes image, whether intentionally crafted or he is how he is ( i believe the latter) may attract or turn off voters. And how i wish he gets the "popular" vote.

 only few have clear political viewpoint, Duterte is one of them, he is consistent with his interviews as well as his actions and track record. and vast majority are swayed by popularity and sweet talk. I hope Duterte will be popular for the vast majority, so he can win.  His way of "sweet" talking is accompanied by his "sweet" actions and achievements as evidenced by the transformation davao and davaoenos had.

Do not under estimate the power of a good leader.

If you build an army of 100 lions and their leader is a dog, in any fight, the lions will die like a dog. But if you build an army of 100 dogs and their leader is a lion, all dogs will fight like a lion. - Napoleon Bonaparte


then sino na ang nasa numerator kung pati ang presidentiable ay nasa denominator?

Do not under estimate the power of a good leader but don under estimate kung ano ang iba iba ugali ng >100M pilipino na hindi kayang baguhin kahit sino pa ang naka upo

oo hindi natin puwede i undes estimate un leader pero kahit gaano kagaling ang leader mo ang ang constituent mo ay panay naka asa sa leader, naniniwala din ako katulad ni tulogsapancitan na kahit sino i-upo mo sa trono kung ang constituent ay hindi magbabago walang mangyayari.

ung sinabi ni napoleon eh totoo lang yan kung ang pag uusapan eh 1:1, kahit na lion ang leader mo kung ang hahawakan niya ay x100 na aso na dating hawak niya at nakalagay sila sa loob ng x122 ng area niya dati.

kung mananalo si du30 sana lang ung mga bumoto sa kanya na magiging apektado ng ipapatupad niya ay huwag magsisi like kung maghihigpit sa traffic at ipa alis ang lahat ng naka illegal parking sa daan. sa ngayon nililinis ang mabuhay lane pero mapapanood mo sa balita kung ano ang mga katwiran ng mga nahuhuli meron pa sinisi ang mmda at hindi daw sila binigyan ng parking bullsh*t matinong katwiran ba yan tapos sila mismo magrereklamo sa traffic

minsan naisip ko bakit kailangan pa ng filipino na may mag disiplina sa kanila bakit hindi natin magawang disiplinahin ang ating mga sarili, kailangan pa ba nating umasa sa gobyerno ng ikauunlad ng buhay natin bakit hindi tayo mismo sa sarili mag isip kung paano uunlad. kahit sino ilagay mo diyan ung mga tamad na nakaasa sa ibibigay ng gobyerno ay sila pa din ang mga naka asa.kung sino ang mga nagra rally eh sila pa din ang magra rally o maaring madagdagan pa ng chr at mga pari
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: DreamWalker on Dec 10, 2015, 11:35 PM
that we have the likes of duterte as a candidate and is popular is a sign of desperation to the part of the people who are tired of the mess we are in. but the catch is, the same people are unwilling to change. they want the govt to change but not themselves. good going. it’s like taking a pill and wishing hard everything will be ok.

not that i doubt duterte may bring change, better or worse. however, it is clear that he playing to filipino’s mind who are fickle and capricious. sunod sa uso. lapida mentality. only few have clear political viewpoint, and vast majority are swayed by popularity and sweet talk.

i just hope duterte voters understand deeply the implications he might bring to governance. i hope that people understand clearly what they are bargaining for and will not sell out their values and ideals just becoz they are desperate. and most important that change in themselves is more potent force for better society than any messianic leader.

myself don’t give a sh*t who will be the next president. the congress will always be batsh*t stupid anyway. and the mass population are no better for voting these. 


agree!!!
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: TulogSaPancitan on Dec 11, 2015, 05:03 AM
@gs

this is the whole prob of the system we are in. people are stubborn and unwilling to change. they aspire for a messianic leader that will solve their problem without them doing anything. name one election that u didn't notice this. every single time.

true there is problem in leadership but the people are in deeper sh*t not realizing they are part of the bigger problem. its about time for people to own their faults and stop this messianic complex. the politicians understand this hence duterte is being fronted as the pill to solve away all these problems. and the mass is feeding on it. and many now have turned rabid.

but then again i don't care a sh*t about president. u can make a dog sit there still all will be well. my bigger problem is the congress and senate. the people sitting there are becoming more stupid every election. people are so rabid who is sitting in malacanang that they overlooked who craft the laws that directly affect them.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Dec 11, 2015, 07:57 AM
Sabi ni Duterte sa isang interview nya sa Radyo Singko, magpapakamatay na lang sya kesa solusyunan ang heavy traffic. Dahil mahirap syang solusyunan. Mahirap solusyunan ang heavy traffic dahil sa dami na ng volume ng sasakyan.

Siguro kung ikakalat nga ang mga magagandang kumpanya sa ibat ibang parte ng bansa baka gumaan ng konti ang katrapikan. Imbes na magtipon tipon sila sa Makati, Ortigas at South.

Ang unang pagbabago na dapat meron ang Pinoy ay ang pamamaraan nila sa pagboto. Boto ng boto ng mga sikat lang, tapos sisisihin ang gobyerno dahil hindi nagbabago.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Dec 11, 2015, 08:38 AM
I lOve the irony of your post tsp. When binay was leading the survey, you think he is the messaonic leader that people aspire? How about when Poe was leading?

See, your post is too generic and yet you single out Duterte to be the One. Mag dilang anghel ka sana.

And obviously based on your posts, you really dont care about the presidency, and gave up hope on senate and congress. And yet here you are preaching your point. Im not saying its completely wrong but you are tuned in to the wrong frequency.

Fyi, duterte mentioned if he wins, after consultation ( im not sure if he means referendum), senate and congress may be gone... Im looking forward to that overhaul. Sounds like punching the moon but im willing to take the chance.

I actually dont see duterte winning (still he has my 1 vote)but you keep on mentioning he is that messainic leader that people go crazy about. Sana magkatotoo yang sinabi mo.

DreamWalker, your post about people changing or not is so generic too.. But ypu single out Duterte supporters as well. Di ba the same value of change apply whoever the president will be? Kaya sablay reasonings nyo. D ba boboto ka pa rin whether people change or not? ang labo.





Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Dec 11, 2015, 12:17 PM
Breaking News : Grace Poe disqualified by COMELEC...

May habol pa ba siya sa Supreme Court?

Next in line and i hope Im wrong: Duterte(COC prob), Binay(patong patong na kaso prob)..

Easy route for Roxas, lol... 




Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: TulogSaPancitan on Dec 11, 2015, 01:46 PM
I lOve the irony of your post tsp. When binay was leading the survey, you think he is the messaonic leader that people aspire? How about when Poe was leading?

See, your post is too generic and yet you single out Duterte to be the One. Mag dilang anghel ka sana.

And obviously based on your posts, you really dont care about the presidency, and gave up hope on senate and congress. And yet here you are preaching your point. Im not saying its completely wrong but you are tuned in to the wrong frequency.

DreamWalker, your post about people changing or not is so generic too.. But ypu single out Duterte supporters as well. Di ba the same value of change apply whoever the president will be? Kaya sablay reasonings nyo. D ba boboto ka pa rin whether people change or not? ang labo.

maybe u didn't get the point dw and i are making. i say it direct to the point. it doesn't matter who sits in there. ke duterte binay or poe. same ol same ol. the people is the problem. perhaps the messianic complex in duterte campaign is that strong hence u interpreted im hitting on him. well marami sa mga supporters nya beleive he has god like power (bit exag there u get the point)

im not singling out at all. like i said the hell care hu u vote. unless people realise they are the bigger problem and stop all these messianic complex nothing will change at all. i hope to be proven wrong but i lived long enuf to notice that change is hated here. can't even pass law related to rh or foi. well rh passed but decades after.

all this hype for election means nothing. in the end people will be shortchanged. so try to limit ur expectations. all i ask for a leader is to leave private individuals alone to pursue their goals and happiness. that i said even a dog sitting there will qualify.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Dec 11, 2015, 01:58 PM
that we have the likes of duterte as a candidate and is popular is a sign of desperation to the part of the people who are tired of the mess we are in. but the catch is, the same people are unwilling to change. they want the govt to change but not themselves. good going. it’s like taking a pill and wishing hard everything will be ok.

i just hope duterte voters understand deeply the implications he might bring to governance. i hope that people understand clearly what they are bargaining for and will not sell out their values and ideals just becoz they are desperate. and most important that change in themselves is more potent force for better society than any messianic leader.



maybe u didn't get the point dw and i are making. i say it direct to the point. it doesn't matter who sits in there. ke duterte binay or poe. same ol same ol. the people is the problem. perhaps the messianic complex in duterte campaign is that strong hence u interpreted im hitting on him.

Nice back pedalling, Tigasin Sa Palusot... Its always been your style. thank you for proving your consistency.

"The problem is  the people, you said". Then lets not vote. You dont even have to participate here in the discussion since you dont even care who will be president.

You are tuned in to the wrong frequency. I love your avocate about change in people via themselves. Create a topic for that.  Ang labo mo. Same old pala... Lakas ng kabig...

Btw, i cant blame you if you think there is that strong messianic complex in Dutertes campaign. It is because he is a transformational leader. He is a transformational leader as evidenced by his works in Davao. In the beginning, people in Davao were also skeptic with his leadership, but the rest is history..,  As ive said, it is an unintended image, people support him because they recognize and acknowledge the transformation he has done to Davao. And yes, there is such a thing called transformational leader. He was one in Davao, and Im taking my chance that he will be one in the Philippines.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: freefront on Dec 11, 2015, 02:22 PM
^ Fascinating  :D

@TSP- GS has a point. That philanthropist  guy, Mr. Melo---he observed on the ground that those squatter/poor people they helped relocate thru' Gawad Kalinga behaved themselves because the first thing they did was to make way for those people to gain their human dignity back. They weren't just given handouts. They were made to participate and find ways to help themselves. Give people the proper environment and they more or less conform to what is acceptable for the common good. I think I saw him in a talk once and got that all people are not religious or believers. They sorta go with the AA steps of " there is a higher power blah blah blah..."
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: DreamWalker on Dec 11, 2015, 07:43 PM

DreamWalker, your post about people changing or not is so generic too.. But ypu single out Duterte supporters as well. Di ba the same value of change apply whoever the president will be? Kaya sablay reasonings nyo. D ba boboto ka pa rin whether people change or not? ang labo.


you felt that i single out du30? that was because im replying to you and you are du30 supporter. kung hindi si du30 ang ire reply ko mukha naman ako tanga non.

sa pagkaka alam ko sa malayang debate walang tama o mali, sablay o hindi sablay na opinyon. so kung sasabihan mo ng sablay ang sinabi ng kausap mo pinapalagay mo na opinyon mo ang pinaka tama.

Di ba the same value of change apply whoever the president will be? by this statement mukha nga nasa numerator ang presidentiable at nasa denominator ang common/same value/tao

actually excited din ako kung sakaling manalo si du30, gusto ko kasi makita kung ano ang gagawin niya solusyon sa traffic kaso lang sabi nga ni jen magpapakamatay na lang si du30 kesa solusyunan ang traffic swerte ni cayetano siya kagad ang presidente sa issue pa lang ng traffic  :watchuthink:

alam niya pala mahirap solusyunan ang traffic pero traffic din ang dahilan kung bakit siya nakapag mura nong na traffic siya nong andito ang pope
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on Dec 11, 2015, 09:18 PM
Ulit po ingat sa iboboto sa ngayon maganda ang economy ng bansa at kumikita ang mga industry na may kinalaman ng interaction sa mga foreign neighbors yan pong BPO at mga OFW natin mga pangunahin na nagbibigay ng maraming trabaho at nagsasalba sa ating economy panahon po ng globalizaton kaya kailangan po natin ng presidenteng hindi lang marunong kung hindi mahilig makipag kaibigan at makipag cooperate sa mga foreign countries at maipagpatuloy sana ang pagbuti ng takbo ng economy.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Wills on Dec 11, 2015, 11:02 PM
I agree with GS regarding the political will. It's so simple the leader has all the cards and if he/she has a strong political will he/she can change the public.

Why does the people in davao are more disciplined than manileños?

Duterte can deliver the result I'm 100% sure of that and he can bring change to our nation the only question in my mind is the effects in the long run especially on the policies.

Given the choices that we have I think Duterte is the best and in my book he is next to Dick Gordon.

Best example for GS's point is Vince Lombardi and the Greenbay Packers.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Wills on Dec 11, 2015, 11:08 PM
maybe u didn't get the point dw and i are making. i say it direct to the point. it doesn't matter who sits in there. ke duterte binay or poe. same ol same ol. the people is the problem.


I definitely disagree on this. People will change if they fear and respect their leader. let me say this again, look at the story of Vince Lombardi and Greenbay Packers. It's so simple we shouldn't debate on this.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Dec 11, 2015, 11:45 PM
you felt that i single out du30? that was because im replying to you and you are du30 supporter. kung hindi si du30 ang ire reply ko mukha naman ako tanga non.

sa pagkaka alam ko sa malayang debate walang tama o mali, sablay o hindi sablay na opinyon. so kung sasabihan mo ng sablay ang sinabi ng kausap mo pinapalagay mo na opinyon mo ang pinaka tama.

Di ba the same value of change apply whoever the president will be? by this statement mukha nga nasa numerator ang presidentiable at nasa denominator ang common/same value/tao

actually excited din ako kung sakaling manalo si du30, gusto ko kasi makita kung ano ang gagawin niya solusyon sa traffic kaso lang sabi nga ni jen magpapakamatay na lang si du30 kesa solusyunan ang traffic swerte ni cayetano siya kagad ang presidente sa issue pa lang ng traffic  :watchuthink:

alam niya pala mahirap solusyunan ang traffic pero traffic din ang dahilan kung bakit siya nakapag mura nong na traffic siya nong andito ang pope

Thank you for your clarification.

Thank you sa clarification nyo na di niyo single out si Duterte. Kasi kausap niyo ako at alam niyong Du30 supporeter ako, kaya ginawa nyo lang si Duterte as example na di niya kaya magpabago (fr mess to order),. In other words, sa pangkalahatan, you are saying walang leader o presidentiable ang kayang magpabago, kasama na dyan yun iboboto mo kung sino man siya.  At least klaro. Wala ako nakitang dahilan kung bat ka pa boboto kung ganun. Nasasayo na yun and i respect that.

Ngayon sa traffic kamo, he is cussing the incompetence of the Daang Matuwid regime. Akalain mo, 6 years, naging ganyan ang traffic. Eh yun panahon pa ni Gloria, d ganun kalala a.... Naalala mo yun pangako ni Noynoy sa SONA niya? Niyabang niy na ididikit niya ang nlex at slex... wat happened? ni kalahati wala pa... Dun siya nagmura, dun sa walang kwentang pangako... Mahirap masolusyonan ang traffic kasi naging pabaya gobyerno nato.. pati mrt at lrt , sira sira... 

Mahirap isolusyon ang traffic dahil hindi naging priority ang infrastruture. Duterte has plans, and I have confidence he is going to implement it, based on his track record as a doer. Eto yun mga sinabi niya. decongest the city. move the port to batangas and other parts. utilize clark airport with construction of high speed train to connect manila and clark etc... its hard, daming pera kelangan dyan. But Im willing to take the chance, he is a proven doer. Kesa sa yun ibang presidentiables na nagbibigay mga pangakong napapako, pang feel good lang kung baga, nothing to back up their words, marami pa din ang hindi nadadala...they just talk and talk, while Duterte walks the talk. What sets him apart from the rest? Clean political service, hindi Epal, doer, achiever. And ya, you can add this, a foul mouth, and I dont care.

It is saddening. In job applications, employers look at the applicants resume, what he has  accomplished that relates to the requirements of the employers. Interview follows and applicants can sweet talk his way based on his expertise and experience written on his resume...

It is saddening because a lot of employers (voters) just buy the applicants' (presidentiable) slogan. Without checking his resume.

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: DreamWalker on Dec 12, 2015, 01:27 AM
Thank you for your clarification.

Thank you sa clarification nyo na di niyo single out si Duterte. Kasi kausap niyo ako at alam niyong Du30 supporeter ako, kaya ginawa nyo lang si Duterte as example na di niya kaya magpabago (fr mess to order),. In other words, sa pangkalahatan, you are saying walang leader o presidentiable ang kayang magpabago, kasama na dyan yun iboboto mo kung sino man siya.  At least klaro. Wala ako nakitang dahilan kung bat ka pa boboto kung ganun. Nasasayo na yun and i respect that.

Ngayon sa traffic kamo, he is cussing the incompetence of the Daang Matuwid regime. Akalain mo, 6 years, naging ganyan ang traffic. Eh yun panahon pa ni Gloria, d ganun kalala a.... Naalala mo yun pangako ni Noynoy sa SONA niya? Niyabang niy na ididikit niya ang nlex at slex... wat happened? ni kalahati wala pa... Dun siya nagmura, dun sa walang kwentang pangako... Mahirap masolusyonan ang traffic kasi naging pabaya gobyerno nato.. pati mrt at lrt , sira sira... 

Mahirap isolusyon ang traffic dahil hindi naging priority ang infrastruture. Duterte has plans, and I have confidence he is going to implement it, based on his track record as a doer. Eto yun mga sinabi niya. decongest the city. move the port to batangas and other parts. utilize clark airport with construction of high speed train to connect manila and clark etc... its hard, daming pera kelangan dyan. But Im willing to take the chance, he is a proven doer. Kesa sa yun ibang presidentiables na nagbibigay mga pangakong napapako, pang feel good lang kung baga, nothing to back up their words, marami pa din ang hindi nadadala...they just talk and talk, while Duterte walks the talk. What sets him apart from the rest? Clean political service, hindi Epal, doer, achiever. And ya, you can add this, a foul mouth, and I dont care.

It is saddening. In job applications, employers look at the applicants resume, what he has  accomplished that relates to the requirements of the employers. Interview follows and applicants can sweet talk his way based on his expertise and experience written on his resume...

It is saddening because a lot of employers (voters) just buy the applicants' (presidentiable) slogan. Without checking his resume.

ang sinasabi namin ay walang lider na makapagbabago kung hindi magbabago ang mga tao, patuloy mo kasi dini deny na hindi lang lider ang kailangan natin para magbago.

hindi mo puwede compare ang traffic situation regime kasi araw araw me nari rehistro na sasakyan pero hindi araw araw me natatanggal na sasakyan sa kalsada, parang tao yan hindi mo puwede compare situation sa bawat presidente kasi mas madaming ipinanganganak minu minuto kesa sa namamatay minu minuto. kung halimbawa pag upo ng bagong president wala ng dagdag na sasakyan, wala na pinapanganak don masasabi na incompetent ung presidente. worst pa mas madaming mag anak ang mahirap so paano mapapababa ang poverty kung dumami naman lagi ang ipinanganganak na below poverty line.dagdag krimen pa yan kasi ginagawa nilang katwiran ang pagiging mahirap para gumawa ng katarantad*han

with regards to nlex - slex connector siguro mas maganda basahin mo to, hindi ho LEGO blocks ang tintayo na connector na madaling gawin. siguro pabasa mo din yan ke du30 para hindi na siya magmura
http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/PPP/projs/nlexslex.htm (http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/PPP/projs/nlexslex.htm)

hindi lang gobyerno ang nagpabaya kundi lalo na un mga tao, bibili ng sasakyan tapos walang garahe sisisihin gobyerno pag may traffic juice ko day!!!! so i can say congrats to cayetano then...

diba may port na sa batangas? saka madami ng port sa pinas, kung sa malayong port manggagaling ang raw materials mo mas tataas ang production cost mo then tataas ang product cost.

mrt/lrt sira sira, eh sira na un talaga dahil sa wear and tear and depreciation at over capacity. alam mo din ba na may mga nabili ng mga bagon na naka sked na dumating and if you argue na bakit matagal, hindi ho ganon kadali bumili ng isang makina for example in my case halos isang taon bago dumating ung laser repair na makina, im directly involved sa feasibility and technical aspect at roi/yield computation kaaya alam ko na hindi ganon kadali. for example ung manufacturing/buyoff/setup pa lang ng makina halos 8 months na. mas lalo matagal sa transportation kasi it involves buhay ng nakasakay.

ung train from manila to clark diba me feasibility na yan... try mo search sa google daming lalabas.
http://www.mb.com.ph/editorial-a-high-speed-train-to-clark/ (http://www.mb.com.ph/editorial-a-high-speed-train-to-clark/)

ung infrastructure hindi ho lego block, ung transportation system hindi ho matchbox, ung train system hindi ho tamiya track na madali ma setup. idagdag mo pa reklamo ng pinoy habang ginagawa mga yan
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: DreamWalker on Dec 12, 2015, 01:31 AM
pahabol, kaka check ko lang....

http://www.rappler.com/business/industries/171-aviation-tourism/83728-nlex-slex-connector-road-completion-2017 (http://www.rappler.com/business/industries/171-aviation-tourism/83728-nlex-slex-connector-road-completion-2017)

dagdag ko lang sa pagpapatayo ng ganitong project meron technical at legalities na kailangan consider, dagdag mo pa ang right of way at baka me mga squatters pa sa tatamaan ng daan mo. or meron tatamaan na hindi naman government property so kailangan mo pa bilhin ung lupa. kailangan mo din consider ung tatamaan na infrastructor sa taas at baba at ilalim ng gagawin. dagdag  mo pa ang traffic planning and mostly ung budget.

saka meron tplex at sctex na karugtong ng nlex, maaring project ni gma to at sa kalukuyang administrasyon na lang natapos kasi nga hindi ganon kadali.

medyo OT na pero kailangan ko lang kasi elaborate, isipin na lang natin ang bahay natin pag pinatayo inaabot ng 6+ months yan pa kayang connector
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: DreamWalker on Dec 12, 2015, 05:01 AM

It is saddening. In job applications, employers look at the applicants resume, what he has  accomplished that relates to the requirements of the employers. Interview follows and applicants can sweet talk his way based on his expertise and experience written on his resume...

It is saddening because a lot of employers (voters) just buy the applicants' (presidentiable) slogan. Without checking his resume.


sa employer-applicant, ung employer meron na siyang halimbawa 1000 naghahanap na lang siya ng magsasabi na tutulungan kitang paluguin ang 1000 mo base sa resume ko

sa voter-aspirant, naghahanap ung voter as employer ng makakapagbigay sa kanya ng 1000 tapos pag me nagsabi na kayang magbigay ng 1200 un ang iboboto nila. in the end kapag 200 lang ang naibigay ng ibinoto nila sasabihin hindi sila naiangat sa buhay. after mo bumoto nagbago ka at nagsikap kumita ng 1000 tapos nabigyan ka ng ibinoto mo ng 500 edi me 1500 ka. kung hindi ka nagsikap edi meron ka lang 500 below poverty line ka pa din kung 1000 ang poverty line.masama nito nag anak ka pa ng madami kaya mas madami na kayong nasa below poverty line. sumunod na botohan hindi ka pa din nagsikap meron ka lang 500 below poverty line ka pa din. tapos nag anak ka padin kaya angkan mo nag grow na exponentially   :hihi:
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Dec 12, 2015, 09:10 AM
ang sinasabi namin ay walang lider na makapagbabago kung hindi magbabago ang mga tao, patuloy mo kasi dini deny na hindi lang lider ang kailangan natin para magbago.

hindi mo puwede compare ang traffic situation regime kasi araw araw me nari rehistro na sasakyan pero hindi araw araw me natatanggal na sasakyan sa kalsada, parang tao yan hindi mo puwede compare situation sa bawat presidente kasi mas madaming ipinanganganak minu minuto kesa sa namamatay minu minuto. kung halimbawa pag upo ng bagong president wala ng dagdag na sasakyan, wala na pinapanganak don masasabi na incompetent ung presidente. worst pa mas madaming mag anak ang mahirap so paano mapapababa ang poverty kung dumami naman lagi ang ipinanganganak na below poverty line.dagdag krimen pa yan kasi ginagawa nilang katwiran ang pagiging mahirap para gumawa ng katarantad*han

with regards to nlex - slex connector siguro mas maganda basahin mo to, hindi ho LEGO blocks ang tintayo na connector na madaling gawin. siguro pabasa mo din yan ke du30 para hindi na siya magmura
http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/PPP/projs/nlexslex.htm (http://www.dpwh.gov.ph/PPP/projs/nlexslex.htm)

hindi lang gobyerno ang nagpabaya kundi lalo na un mga tao, bibili ng sasakyan tapos walang garahe sisisihin gobyerno pag may traffic juice ko day!!!! so i can say congrats to cayetano then...

diba may port na sa batangas? saka madami ng port sa pinas, kung sa malayong port manggagaling ang raw materials mo mas tataas ang production cost mo then tataas ang product cost.

mrt/lrt sira sira, eh sira na un talaga dahil sa wear and tear and depreciation at over capacity. alam mo din ba na may mga nabili ng mga bagon na naka sked na dumating and if you argue na bakit matagal, hindi ho ganon kadali bumili ng isang makina for example in my case halos isang taon bago dumating ung laser repair na makina, im directly involved sa feasibility and technical aspect at roi/yield computation kaaya alam ko na hindi ganon kadali. for example ung manufacturing/buyoff/setup pa lang ng makina halos 8 months na. mas lalo matagal sa transportation kasi it involves buhay ng nakasakay.

ung train from manila to clark diba me feasibility na yan... try mo search sa google daming lalabas.
http://www.mb.com.ph/editorial-a-high-speed-train-to-clark/ (http://www.mb.com.ph/editorial-a-high-speed-train-to-clark/)

ung infrastructure hindi ho lego block, ung transportation system hindi ho matchbox, ung train system hindi ho tamiya track na madali ma setup. idagdag mo pa reklamo ng pinoy habang ginagawa mga yan


Bold part : Bro, dimo magets. Hindi ko dinedeny na hindi lang lider ang kelangan natin sa pagbabago. But leader is a factor, And this is about electing a leader. And for you, you insist on "self-change". Self change is noble and I ecourage that too., but this is not the proper forum, We can discuss bout self-change in another forum. We are talking about leader as factor of change. If you dont agree hat a leader can be a factor of change, then I dont see any reason why you are voting. And  based on your generalization, the leader that you are going to vote for is not a factor of change. I feel sorry.

The rest:

Alam na. hehehe

Wala naman nagsabi lego block o matchbox o tamiya yan, Defensive ka masyado. Its the incompetence.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: DreamWalker on Dec 12, 2015, 11:13 AM
Bold part : Bro, dimo magets. Hindi ko dinedeny na hindi lang lider ang kelangan natin sa pagbabago. But leader is a factor, And this is about electing a leader. And for you, you insist on "self-change". Self change is noble and I ecourage that too., but this is not the proper forum, We can discuss bout self-change in another forum. We are talking about leader as factor of change. If you dont agree hat a leader can be a factor of change, then I dont see any reason why you are voting. And  based on your generalization, the leader that you are going to vote for is not a factor of change. I feel sorry.

The rest:

Alam na. hehehe

Wala naman nagsabi lego block o matchbox o tamiya yan, Defensive ka masyado. Its the incompetence.

try to visit this thread para mabasa mo kung ano din ang reply nila sa thread, leadership and governance pa din hindi sinagot ung title ng thread. mga maling ugali ng tao na sinisisi pa din sa leader

http://www.pinoymoneytalk.com/forum/index.php?topic=48853.0 (http://www.pinoymoneytalk.com/forum/index.php?topic=48853.0)

but expecting a 13.5km project to finished at least half of it parang sinabi mo na din na madali lang gawin yang connector na yan. nakita mo na ba kung saan dadaan ung connector? based on project milestone and timeline connected na ang slex at nlex ang problema kasi sa ibang tao literal meaning na pagkabit ang hinahanap. so target date based on timeline is 2020 so maaring sabihin mo ang galing ni du30 siya ang nakapag connect ng slex at nlex

so if ever mahalal si du30 at matapos ung term niya ung high speed train to clark wala kang makita kahit 1/4 non sasabihin mo ba na incompetent siya? or siguro kahit ground breaking o ilang poste may makikita ka kasi ung feasibility at ground work ay ilan taon bago siya. so kung hindi ma decongest ni du30 ung city area sasabihin mo ba na incompetent siya?

sa malalaking projects dont expect ng tangible evidence sa iilang taon kasi ang pinaka matagal dyan ay feasibility studies at planning/budgeting, kagaya ng pagi expect mo ng atleast half of nlex-slex connector tapos pag wala nakita incompetent na.

based on the timeline ng nlex-slex connector i can say success ang ground work. groundwork can be credited to pnoy and implementation can be credited sa susunod na uupo. problema lang ang mamamayan tiyak sa susunod na regime maki credit kasi don lang sila makaka kita ng physical na connector
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Dec 12, 2015, 11:39 AM

sa malalaking projects dont expect ng tangible evidence sa iilang taon kasi ang pinaka matagal dyan ay feasibility studies at planning/budgeting, kagaya ng pagi expect mo ng atleast half of nlex-slex connector tapos pag wala nakita incompetent na.

based on the timeline ng nlex-slex connector i can say success ang ground work. groundwork can be credited to pnoy and implementation can be credited sa susunod na uupo. problema lang ang mamamayan tiyak sa susunod na regime maki credit kasi don lang sila makaka kita ng physical na connector


Nitong Hunyo po, nagsimula na ring umusad ang proseso para sa LRT Line 1 Cavite Extension project, na magpapaluwag sa trapik ng Las Piñas, Parañaque, at Cavite. [Applause] Dagdag pa diyan, para lalong mapaluwag ang traffic sa Kamaynilaan at mapabilis ang pagtawid mula North Luzon hanggang South Luzon Expressway, magkakaroon ng dalawang elevated NLEX-SLEX connector. Matatapos po ang mga ito sa 2015. [Applause] Magiging 1 hour and 40 minutes na lang ang biyaheng Clark papuntang Calamba oras na makumpleto ang mga ito. Bago po tayo bumaba sa puwesto, nakatayo na rin ang mga dekalidad na terminal sa Taguig, Quezon City, at Parañaque na paparadahan ng bus biyaheng probinsya, [applause] upang hindi na sila makisiksik pa sa EDSA.
http://www.gov.ph/2012/07/23/benigno-s-aquino-iii-third-state-of-the-nation-address-july-23-2012/ (http://www.gov.ph/2012/07/23/benigno-s-aquino-iii-third-state-of-the-nation-address-july-23-2012/)

Depensa pa more! Alam na! Obvious na.....haha....

All talk... Thanks Dreamwalker for back pedalling for Pnoy...

Edit ko nalang  ng maayos yun format mamaya.... Busy day.....
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: DreamWalker on Dec 12, 2015, 01:45 PM
Nitong Hunyo po, nagsimula na ring umusad ang proseso para sa LRT Line 1 Cavite Extension project, na magpapaluwag sa trapik ng Las Piñas, Parañaque, at Cavite. [Applause] Dagdag pa diyan, para lalong mapaluwag ang traffic sa Kamaynilaan at mapabilis ang pagtawid mula North Luzon hanggang South Luzon Expressway, magkakaroon ng dalawang elevated NLEX-SLEX connector. Matatapos po ang mga ito sa 2015. [Applause] Magiging 1 hour and 40 minutes na lang ang biyaheng Clark papuntang Calamba oras na makumpleto ang mga ito. Bago po tayo bumaba sa puwesto, nakatayo na rin ang mga dekalidad na terminal sa Taguig, Quezon City, at Parañaque na paparadahan ng bus biyaheng probinsya, [applause] upang hindi na sila makisiksik pa sa EDSA.


http://www.gov.ph/2012/07/23/benigno-s-aquino-iii-third-state-of-the-nation-address-july-23-2012/



Depensa pa more! Alam na! Obvious na.....haha....

All talk... Thanks Dreamwalker for back pedalling for Pnoy...

Edit ko nalang  ng maayos yun format mamaya.... Busy day.....

hahaha do you really think pro presidentiables ako, nakalimutan mo na ba na sinabi ko na kahit sino iupo mo diyan eh walang mangyayari hanggat hindi nagbabago ang mga tao. kaya ko naging halimbawa ung nlex-slex issue dahil eto na naman ikaw ang nag mention non. nong napanood ko ang sona na sinabi niya yan sinabi ko kagad sa sarili ko na imposible yan pero ikaw asahan mo ba naman me makita kang connector in just 6 years.

nalimutan mo na ba na sinabi ko pa na ung sctex/tplex ay maaring project ni gma at natapos lang ke pinoy kasi alam ko na hindi ganon kadali ang ganon mga project.i've been working in engineering field for almost 20 years and naiitindihan ko na hindi ganon kadali ang mga bagay when it comes into building/designing something. if you know basic statistical tools like fishbone diagram or 5 why's tryo mo gamitin sa kinakaharap na problema ng bansa or sa ongoing/pending project ng LAHAT NG PRESIDENTE.

fyi unang post ko dito ay OT pa about sa updating ng poll  :watchuthink:
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Dec 12, 2015, 03:37 PM
Major government projects like expressways, trains, airports, ports, hospitals, and other big ticket projects usually takes

TWENTY YEARS (20 years) or almost 4 presidents (assuming 6 yr term each)

- concept to award of work pa lang po yan (another delay kung may mga kaso sa awarding)

TWENTY-FIVE YEARS (25 years)

- concept to actual COMPLETION (assuming smooth ang construction at walang problema sa cost escalation)
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Dec 12, 2015, 03:41 PM
MYANMAR and CAMBODIA, cellar dwellers in ASEAN for the past decades will OVERTAKE US (PHILIPPINES) in 2016

on NUMBER OF FOREIGN TOURISTS

Their secret?  Nothing much, we know what it is but we don't know how to implement it efficiently:

Good infrastructure connections from their International airports to Tourist Destinations.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Dec 12, 2015, 03:47 PM
Matigas talaga ang ulo ni Pres PNOY --- pinipilit niya ang kanyang 'manok' (ROXAS) na lunukin sa pagka presidente ngunit hindi talaga kaya tanggapin ng karamihan sa atin.

Comelec is hell bent to disqualify POE. 2 divisions made their rule.  Only a miracle will reverse it on the other 2 DQ cases. 

Only the Supreme Court can help save democracy again in our country.

BINAY vs. ROXAS vs. DUTERTE vs. MIRIAM

Rumors abound that Binay will be jailed early next year.

Duterte's substitution case will decided in the next few days.

Mag people power kaya ang mga Pilipino kung ang matira sa balota natin ay si ROXAS vs. MIRIAM?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Wills on Dec 12, 2015, 06:49 PM
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nakalimutan mo na ba na sinabi ko na kahit sino iupo mo diyan eh walang mangyayari hanggat hindi nagbabago ang mga tao

Wrong! Twisted logic!

You're basically saying that Davao is a successful city because all davaeoños voluntarily change their ways in a single direction without the proper guidance of their mayor.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: DreamWalker on Dec 12, 2015, 09:16 PM
Major government projects like expressways, trains, airports, ports, hospitals, and other big ticket projects usually takes

TWENTY YEARS (20 years) or almost 4 presidents (assuming 6 yr term each)

- concept to award of work pa lang po yan (another delay kung may mga kaso sa awarding)

TWENTY-FIVE YEARS (25 years)

- concept to actual COMPLETION (assuming smooth ang construction at walang problema sa cost escalation)

agree!!! so GS don't expect a nlex-slex connector in 6 years at dont expect train to clark in 6 years. problema lang madaming nagi expect ng infrastructure sa loob ng isang term ng pangulo at sila ay twitter/fb user
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: DreamWalker on Dec 12, 2015, 10:13 PM
Wrong! Twisted logic!

You're basically saying that Davao is a successful city because all davaeoños voluntarily change their ways in a single direction without the proper guidance of their mayor.

we are in a forum, everyone is entitled to his/her opinion its not appropriate to say one's opinion was wrong.

davao ay para lang lansones kumpara sa melon, sabihin na natin na same population ng pinas maging kasin ugali ng population ng davao eh pano na ung >95% remaining population.  compare nio din ang population density ng davao at manila at isipin nio kung si du30 ang mayor ng manila kung kaya niya ang ganong population density
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: DreamWalker on Dec 12, 2015, 10:40 PM
MYANMAR and CAMBODIA, cellar dwellers in ASEAN for the past decades will OVERTAKE US (PHILIPPINES) in 2016

on NUMBER OF FOREIGN TOURISTS

Their secret?  Nothing much, we know what it is but we don't know how to implement it efficiently:

Good infrastructure connections from their International airports to Tourist Destinations.

we have ~100 myanmars in the company and i have 20 myanmar failure analysis assistant tinanong ko sila kung maganda ba pumunta sa myanmar kasi nga nag open na sila. sabi nila hindi daw kakayanin ang tourist kasi hindi ganon kaganda ang facilites baka lang daw madissappoint ako kung sasama sa kanila. Buti na lang nagtapos na ang military junta sa kanila pero pag kausap mo sila maiiyak ka kasi mga kamag anak nila walang awa mina masaker ng militar sinusunog ung mga bahay, ung pagkain at tubig na galing sa UN hindi lahat nakakarating. sabi nga ng isang myanmar engr mas maganda pa daw sa pinas lagi me bagyo pero hindi sa ngayon iilan na lang namamatay sa kanila walang bagyo baha lang pero libo ang namamatay. buti na lang inalis na daw ung tax sa overseas worker sa kanila dati hindi ka makakapasok at makakalabas kung overseas worker ka kung hindi ka magbabayad ng napakalaking tax. hehehe OT nakwento ko lang

http://skift.com/2013/08/12/myanmar-races-against-the-clock-to-build-airports-and-hotels/
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/aec/Poor-aviation-infrastructure-hinders-Myanmars-avi-30256951.html
http://www.elevenmyanmar.com/tourism/insufficient-infrastructure-restricting-tourism-growth
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Dec 12, 2015, 11:28 PM
agree!!! so GS don't expect a nlex-slex connector in 6 years at dont expect train to clark in 6 years. problema lang madaming nagi expect ng infrastructure sa loob ng isang term ng pangulo at sila ay twitter/fb user

You are pointing at the wrong finger. lol... You are pointing at the wrong person.

I am not expecting. I was expecting before because the president said so.(JunWuXiYan - King's words are to be taken seriously) And with your explanation, , lalong na prove na incompetent yun administration ni Pnoy. His SONA script is already an example of incompetence. How low can you get, speech palang, palpak na.

ALAM pala niya di kaya, nagyabang pa siya.... I mean DI NIYA PALA alam na hindi kaya, nagbroadcast pa siya. Whichever..... Kabobohan. Incompetence at its finest.

Thank you for your explanation, which furthermore exposes Noynoys administrations incompetence.

Wag mo akong sisihin, si Yellow ribbon Chairman ang nagsabi going to deliver nlex-slex in 2015. Hindi ako nagsabi nyan.


Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Dec 12, 2015, 11:32 PM
we are in a forum, everyone is entitled to his/her opinion its not appropriate to say one's opinion was wrong.


This guy has twisted logic talaga. 

Why say that to Wills? you just said everyone is entitled to his/her opinion and its not appropriate to say ones' opinion is wrong. Sinermonan mo siya violating your own quote with your own quote. Lolololololol....


Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: DreamWalker on Dec 13, 2015, 12:46 AM
You are pointing at the wrong finger. lol... You are pointing at the wrong person.


hehehe diba ikaw nagsabi nito ni kalahati wala pa... sabay bawi ka wahahaha

ngayon me pa quote quote ka pa kasi nag post si bauer na hindi talaga ganon kadali ang mag build  :applause:

basta ba king paniniwalaan mo na  :applause: kaya siguro naniwala ka sa sinabi ni pinoy kasi hindi ka aware na hindi ganon kadali ang mga project, base sa post ni bauer siguro ma judge mo na kung posible ba ung sinabi ni du30 para hindi mo siya sabihan ng incompetent siya after 6 years

ako hindi naniwala sa sinabi niya sa sona kasi hindi naman engr si pinoy, mga sinabi lang un ng mga nakapaligid sa kanya. wala namang presidente na all in one package na engr/lawyer/doctor/economist/militar para malaman ang lahat ng sinasabi niya. parang sa trabaho lang yan pag tinatanong ka ng amo mo ng "can"? sasabihin mo "can" pero alam mo at ng nakaka alam ng trabaho mo na "can not". pasensiya na puro can/can not/alamah nadidinig ko dito sa loob ng 10 taon

hindi ko kasi ugali na maniwala sa sabi sabi kailangan meron ako proof or nakapag research ako, maaring sa opinyon nio twisted ang mind ko ako kasi hindi naka asa sa ibibigay ng ibang tao gumagawa ako ng paraan para magkaroon ako

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Dec 13, 2015, 12:58 AM
hehehe diba ikaw nagsabi nito ni kalahati wala pa... sabay bawi ka wahahaha

ngayon me pa quote quote ka pa kasi nag post si bauer na hindi talaga ganon kadali ang mag build  :applause:

basta ba king paniniwalaan mo na  :applause: kaya siguro naniwala ka sa sinabi ni pinoy kasi hindi ka aware na hindi ganon kadali ang mga project, base sa post ni bauer siguro ma judge mo na kung posible ba ung sinabi ni du30 para hindi mo siya sabihan ng incompetent siya after 6 years

ako hindi naniwala sa sinabi niya sa sona kasi hindi naman engr si pinoy, mga sinabi lang un ng mga nakapaligid sa kanya. wala namang presidente na all in one package na engr/lawyer/doctor/economist/militar para malaman ang lahat ng sinasabi niya. parang sa trabaho lang yan pag tinatanong ka ng amo mo ng "can"? sasabihin mo "can" pero alam mo at ng nakaka alam ng trabaho mo na "can not". pasensiya na puro can/can not/alamah nadidinig ko dito sa loob ng 10 taon

hindi ko kasi ugali na maniwala sa sabi sabi kailangan meron ako proof or nakapag research ako, maaring sa opinyon nio twisted ang mind ko ako kasi hindi naka asa sa ibibigay ng ibang tao gumagawa ako ng paraan para magkaroon ako



Twisted logic indeed pa more.

OO,ni- kalahati wala pa yun nlex-slex connecor, ang basehan ko is yun pangako ni Pnoy na idedeliver niya ng 2015. 2015 na, ni kalahati wala pa...Anong binawi ko? Its a fact na walapa sa kalahati yun progress samantalang 2 weeks nalang paalis na 2015.... Nalito ka na sa sequence of discussion.... Be sober first. Ang labo mo. 

Ikaw na magaling. Pero halata ka e, pilit mo binabaliwala yun sinabi ni Pnoy na 2015. Ako pa sisihin mo. si Pnoy ang nangako.  Ang galing mo din ano, Kinonsider mo na "ordinaryong sabi sabi lang" ang salita ng isang Pangulo...

Si Pnoy na ang incompetent. Script pa lang, incompetent na.

At salamat, nag agree ka na nambobola si Pnoy.

So si Roxas  pa din iboboto mo? Yun handpicked by proven mambobola ?

Naku, sinabi na ni Du30, di niya masolve within 6 years sa mga interview niya. Ikaw mismo alam mo yan, sinabi mo na nahirapan isolusyonan ang traffic si Du30 ayon sa kanya. That just proves he is realistic. He does not hide anything. What he thinks, he says. Thanks again for helping me prove the candidate I support does not sugar coat. Malaking Thank you sa inyo, seryoso yan, no sarcasm.

with your twisted reasoning, you are indirectly discrediting Roxas and affirming Du30.....
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: freefront on Dec 13, 2015, 02:45 AM
^^^^ girls love badboy image ba? wehehehehe

Tons of literature on that one. The allure daw is thought that you can "improve" the guy. The pathetic part there is, if there is a good guy who poses as a badboy just so........ you know.

I'll add to that, have you ever wondered why " I'll catch a grenade for you", "the Filipino is worth dying for", "ang pumatay ng dahil sa yo" works?  :watchuthink:

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Sa tingin jan sa death penalty kahit sino pa manalo sa pagkapangulo hindi basta basta mabubuksan ang batas na yan. Marami pwede ibalandra para hidni yan maisabatas ulit. Pangit naman ang justice system natin, kaya mahirap pa rin isabatas ang death sentence. Pero kung yung suspect ng Maguindanao Massacre para sa akin ok lang. Tapos sa kanya lang matapos.

Me, I'm totaly fine with drug-related cases.

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: freefront on Dec 13, 2015, 03:08 AM
Matigas talaga ang ulo ni Pres PNOY --- pinipilit niya ang kanyang 'manok' (ROXAS) na lunukin sa pagka presidente ngunit hindi talaga kaya tanggapin ng karamihan sa atin.

Comelec is hell bent to disqualify POE. 2 divisions made their rule.  Only a miracle will reverse it on the other 2 DQ cases. 

Only the Supreme Court can help save democracy again in our country.

BINAY vs. ROXAS vs. DUTERTE vs. MIRIAM

Rumors abound that Binay will be jailed early next year.

Duterte's substitution case will decided in the next few days.

Mag people power kaya ang mga Pilipino kung ang matira sa balota natin ay si ROXAS vs. MIRIAM?

There is one thing that Roxas can do that may win him this election--- but he will have to damn Noynoy's admin.. I'd like to hear him say, he'll fire people( the guy sitting next to the seat of power who was recorded buying bootleg dvd, the woman caught in the casino, that police person who made awarded that contract to a certain courier service--- we all know we don't lack talent. Sure, I can pay utang na loob but with a caveat that you can be fired if you weaken my organization) he'll go against party line if it hobbles the delivery of services for the people. That kind of thing. And a gag order( for his wife, his mother, etc.), including him. That man just comes across as cold  :) Train spokespersons well, is all.

@b- you read about that luncheon meeting with Seneres and 2 Supreme Court justices?  Question is, will those 2 inhibit themselves when Poe goes to SC?

And Miriam may be out of the loop already. Same story. Her health concerns. Shivers me timbers that BBM will take the helm if something happens to her. And stress on a body that is already weak is deadly.

This conversation might have to head back here: http://www.pinoymoneytalk.com/forum/index.php?topic=49500.msg529448#msg529448
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Dec 13, 2015, 05:29 AM

@b- you read about that luncheon meeting with Seneres and 2 Supreme Court justices?  Question is, will those 2 inhibit themselves when Poe goes to SC?


^ brotherhood fraternities have a very strong bond. I know, I am a Frat member too. those 2 justices have been caught dipping their hands in the cookie jar. They must inhibit themselves in order that justice will be fair.

Heaven forbids if BBM shall win, it only means we did have a very short memory. Rewarding the family of crooks.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Dec 13, 2015, 05:39 AM
@GS,

I do believe that it must not take 25 years for major projects to be done. It is doable in 6 years or within a presidential term limit. but it needs a strong political will from the leader.

I also believe that the leader will move the people to the right path if the leader possess the right skills and right public relations.

A good example is lee Kwan yew of Singapore.  Their citizens back then is one of the most difficult to manage due to diverse cultural background but he was able to enforce discipline and sense of national pride.  unfortunately, I do not see DUterte as another lee Kwan yew of our country.

Imagine the horror that we will face if Duterte gets elected and after a few years we do not like his management style, we cannot blame the man for our ills.  he said it now that he will do this and do that so we cannot do anything or complain later on once his actions fails. Where will it leave us then?


Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Dec 13, 2015, 05:45 AM
Whoever will be the next President will have enough luck without doing anything yet.

The LRT extension up to Bacoor will be completed

The Slex-NLEX connector road will be running assuming that San Miguel will not go bankrupt.

the NAIA skyway will be open.

Calax will be operational.

bulacan will not run out of water but flooding will be another issue.

mactan and Bohol airport will be operational.

LRT line 2 extension up to Antipolo will be operational.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Dec 13, 2015, 09:00 AM
@bauer, you are right. I really thought Pnoy can keep good his words. Unfortunately talk is greater than walk for him.

Indeed, other countries infrastructure gets completed in an amazing pace. Like for example there is this sea bridge in China, longest in the world, got completed in 4 years from start of construction, the length is at least triple the slex-nlex connector. ground work is under sea...  At philippines pace, they couuld have completed it in almost 2 decades.

It took beijing to retrofit a bridge in just 43hours, thats freaking less than 2 days. While it took us almost  7-8months to just repair Ayala bridge, another sign of incompetence. DOTC, LTO all executive, all under Noynoy....sad...

Speaking of LTO, i already sold my old car and the buyer said he still hasnott gotten his new plates yet. My paper license expired already but i can still use it because my regular card type license is not available yet. Only in Noynoys admin...

As for your question what if Duterte doesnot live up ttoo his words, and we dont like his management style, , then he will be branded as a failure, just like previous admins. HOWEVER, based on his track record, he gets the job done.  His political will and actions has been proven.
That is why when you see my posts, I almost always say that im willing to take the chance.
Please give me suggestion among the pool of presidentiables who has better track record than him, or at least a doer or action man like him.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Dec 13, 2015, 09:12 AM
@f, @b,  aka fb, if dutertes candidacy gets voided, if binay gets jailed, if mirriam is out of the loop due to health problems, who is the last man standing?  Roxas.

Assuming Mirriam insists on running, and Du30 and binay disqualified, I foresee their names, duterte and binay, to be still in the ballot list to provide confusion....

Seemingly the yellow ribbon want to stay in power by means of legal hook or legal crook... Lol... I hope Im wrong....

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Dec 13, 2015, 09:22 AM
Tons of literature on that one. The allure daw is thought that you can "improve" the guy. The pathetic part there is, if there is a good guy who poses as a badboy just so........ you know.

I'll add to that, have you ever wondered why " I'll catch a grenade for you", "the Filipino is worth dying for", "ang pumatay ng dahil sa yo" works?  :watchuthink:

Me, I'm totaly fine with drug-related cases.



Hail hail freefront! Hahahaa... Made my morning : "ang pumatay nang dahil sayo" .... That is too clever!  :D
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on Dec 13, 2015, 03:58 PM
Tons of literature on that one. The allure daw is thought that you can "improve" the guy. The pathetic part there is, if there is a good guy who poses as a badboy just so........ you know.

I'll add to that, have you ever wondered why " I'll catch a grenade for you", "the Filipino is worth dying for", "ang pumatay ng dahil sa yo" works?  :watchuthink:


Di ba ang sabi magbago tayo So? Ang magmahal o ang mabuhay ng dahil sa iyo is more logical. Just a thought.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Dec 14, 2015, 02:55 PM

As for your question what if Duterte doesnot live up ttoo his words, and we dont like his management style, , then he will be branded as a failure, just like previous admins. HOWEVER, based on his track record, he gets the job done.  His political will and actions has been proven.

 

^ I'm sorry if you misinterpreted a little bit my earlier comments.  What I meant really was IF DUTERTE did DO what he promise us to do if he gets elected BUT the outcome still fails and does not meet our expectations, Saan na tayo pupulutin?   Hindi naman natin siya pwede na sisihin siguro kasi sinabi naman niya umpisa pa kung ano ang gagawin niya.

Magandang halimbawa si ERAP, tulad ni DUTERTE maganda at magaling ang palakad niya sa San Juan at maayos rin ang palakad niya sa Maynila ngayon pero nang Presidente na siya, ERAP failed.

Like Duterte, Erap is an ACTION man and KEPT his words.  But it was not enough on a NATIONAL level. Pang lokal lang si ERAP.  Ganoon din tingin ko kay DUTERTE.  I fear DUTERTE more than ERAP.  Why? Duterte SHOOTS pero si ERAP hindi (at least publicly speaking).
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Dec 14, 2015, 03:01 PM

Please give me suggestion among the pool of presidentiables who has better track record than him, or at least a doer or action man like him.


^Sadly, I can only think of MIRIAM but CANCER will get her ahead even if she manages to win the election.  Clearly, she cannot finish her term.  BTW, if by miracle, and it can happen, she finishes her term, there is a BIG chance she will fail in the job due to frailty.  I think one big reason she did not eventually SIT on the international court of justice was due to her poor health condition.

As President, you need to WORK LONG hours, conduct surprise inspections, FLY overseas, ATTEND official functions, etc.

Maybe, like @freefront just mentioned ------ we should CONCENTRATE on the QUALITY of VP we will VOTE.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on Dec 14, 2015, 03:20 PM
Check the people behind the candidates if many GOOD VALUABLE people do not support you it will be very hard to get the action done.

Kaya nga pinanonood ko sila sila nagsisiraan yung may pinakamararing kaaway at yung kokonti ang mga kaibigan na magagaling sa lipunan will most likely fail.

Just like in business kung magaling kang leader you will hire people with better specific skills than you.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: freefront on Dec 15, 2015, 05:07 AM
@b- you totally got what I said re DU30. May disclosure na nga eh, nung una pa lang. Kaya walang sisihan pag pinatulan nyo pa sya. Tsaka yang pampelikula na one-liners, usually walang follow through yan kasi iba ang local arena sa national scene, isama mo na world stage. Why do you think mafia dons have territories, eyy bauer? The force required to put to action the words coming from his mouth would entail mas grabeng corruption.There are, allegedly, active/former members of our armed forces who moonlight as guns for hire. Can he keep tabs on all his people on a national scale?

I would rather he says, he will hire 10,000 more court officials, fast track 10 detention facilities in the middle of nowhere, with adjoining courts and hostels for visiting family members for Metro Manila alone---instead of giving business tips like "funeral parlors will be most profitable"  :rolleyes:

I actually liked what Miriam Defensor-Santiago purportedly done in her stint in the Bureau of Immigration. She made threats, she did not bluff, and she made deals with the syndicates to the effect daw na, this much you can do until such time only. Get your criminals out, process your illegals---until the end of the year only. And then, I'll come after you without reservations.( I'm sure GS and bauer have hair-raising tales about that one#only if you're telling  :D )She knew that it is a huge industry and the syndicates have to turn their own people out gradually.

But, you are right. Her body can't take any more beatings. If she sits in office and gets frail, we are a doner. You know what animals do when they perceive weakness( rant topic coming up, seriously).  That would be worse than another round of election. 

The problem with Mar, is Korina #j/k, only half  :hihi: This:

Check the people behind the candidates if many GOOD VALUABLE people do not support you it will be very hard to get the action done.

Kaya nga pinanonood ko sila sila nagsisiraan yung may pinakamararing kaaway at yung kokonti ang mga kaibigan na magagaling sa lipunan will most likely fail.

Just like in business kung magaling kang leader you will hire people with better specific skills than you.

Mar doesn't inspire, motivate, etc. If that's the soft sell side, what about his partymates. You know those A's- Abad, Abaya, Allan. Then we move on to B's. Sino nga ba, Belmonte?  ( may tama kayo if you thought I meant the other A's. well done  :D )

Oh hey! A conspiracy theory for you. DU30 is pro-BINAY. He's there to demolish ROXAS  :watchuthink:

Hindi talaga pinapansin si Seneres? Ano yun? Basta mailagay lang sa bio nya na once ran in President of the Phils. election  :D

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Dec 15, 2015, 08:01 AM
Dear @fb,

First, the disagreement. Using Erap as an example is really a bad one. Just because he succeeded in San Juan and fail as president does not imply Du30 will be the same. Its only an unsupported opinion. Erap succeeded in San Juan, why does he fail on a local level now being mayor of Manila? Erap has lost it, but erap and du30 are 2 different people. And Duterte bluffing? We shall see, i hope he wins... Oh no, i mean i have to hope that he does not get disqualified first...lol..

Now the agreement. Indeed ff, he laid out his cards already. He said it, dont vote for him if you dont like him. And if i may add, dont for him if you doubt his capacity despite his proven track record.

That is the problem, Mirriam is my second choice actually. And i was so disappointed when she lost to Ramos after leading most of the way.

Who else is left? binay, roxas. Poe is disqualified as of posting. Id choose Binay over Roxas. Roxas upenn education is inversely proportional to his actual work output. Should Upenn be embarassed or otherwise? Lol... Binay is like Ramos, old school....  But as vice president, tila wala siya nagawa... About corruption, parehas lang silang dalawa..Yolanda funds? The only difference, yun isa, garapalan yun isa pasimple...Hehehe... Come to think of it, if they are the last two to choose from, im actually not going to vote.

And again, due to lack of choices, its really hard for me to consider anyone now beside Du30.

Ff, Seneres... Hmmm... At least I mentioned his name... Hehehehe
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Dec 15, 2015, 11:37 AM
Dear @fb,

First, the disagreement. Using Erap as an example is really a bad one. Just because he succeeded in San Juan and fail as president does not imply Du30 will be the same. Its only an unsupported opinion. Erap succeeded in San Juan, why does he fail on a local level now being mayor of Manila? Erap has lost it, but erap and du30 are 2 different people. And Duterte bluffing? We shall see, i hope he wins... Oh no, i mean i have to hope that he does not get disqualified first...lol..

Now the agreement. Indeed ff, he laid out his cards already. He said it, dont vote for him if you dont like him. And if i may add, dont for him if you doubt his capacity despite his proven track record.

That is the problem, Mirriam is my second choice actually. And i was so disappointed when she lost to Ramos after leading most of the way.

Who else is left? binay, roxas. Poe is disqualified as of posting. Id choose Binay over Roxas. Roxas upenn education is inversely proportional to his actual work output. Should Upenn be embarassed or otherwise? Lol... Binay is like Ramos, old school....  But as vice president, tila wala siya nagawa... About corruption, parehas lang silang dalawa..Yolanda funds? The only difference, yun isa, garapalan yun isa pasimple...Hehehe... Come to think of it, if they are the last two to choose from, im actually not going to vote.

And again, due to lack of choices, its really hard for me to consider anyone now beside Du30.

Ff, Seneres... Hmmm... At least I mentioned his name... Hehehehe


i hope you likewise substantiate exactly what Pnoy failed to do, para malinaw din sayo at sa ating lahat ano exactly yung pagkukulang na hindi mo mapatawad.
Do you remember Pnoy's platform in 2010? Was he able to deliver on that promise? Do you consider your life during Pnoy admin WORSE than your life during Arroyo’s? Mas mahirap kumita the past 5 years, walang opportunities? You don’t attribute any booming business (including the stock market) in the last 5 years due to the confidence of the WHOLE WORLD on the Philippines’ turn around story anchored on Pnoy’s flagship agenda to fight corruption and bring to justice GMA, pork barrel senators, et al?

Yung SAF 44 issue? That was obviously an executive decision. The operations was doomed to fail the soldiers were led to a slaughterhouse (parang mga biktima lang ng hype ng mga stocks gurus). They were sacrificial lambs. Major blunder on everyone involved. K, noted. Can we move on already?


as for Roxas, i still believe he is losing this race because of his incompetent or non-existent PR people. Yung lahat ng kapalpakan nya nadyadyaryo, yung tama nyang ginawa walang nakakaalam. It's bad rep enough he married Korina and he lost any kind of amor from the people thereafter... but to have a campaign team na hindi marunong kumuha ng pulso ng bayan, susmaryosep.

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Dec 15, 2015, 12:08 PM
@b- you totally got what I said re DU30. May disclosure na nga eh, nung una pa lang. Kaya walang sisihan pag pinatulan nyo pa sya. Tsaka yang pampelikula na one-liners, usually walang follow through yan kasi iba ang local arena sa national scene, isama mo na world stage. Why do you think mafia dons have territories, eyy bauer? The force required to put to action the words coming from his mouth would entail mas grabeng corruption.There are, allegedly, active/former members of our armed forces who moonlight as guns for hire. Can he keep tabs on all his people on a national scale?

Totally agree ff. May pasintabi na agad-agad. IF he f*cks up, which is guaranteed, uulit-ulitin nyang, ayaw naman nya talaga maging presidente, pinilit lang sya ng mga tao, wag nyo syang sisihin.

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I would rather he says, he will hire 10,000 more court officials, fast track 10 detention facilities in the middle of nowhere, with adjoining courts and hostels for visiting family members for Metro Manila alone---instead of giving business tips like "funeral parlors will be most profitable"  :rolleyes:
its the reverse of what will actually happen. wala nang silbi ang mga criminal lawyers, baka dapat isara na rin ang mga korte, that's total waste of time already, si duterte na ang magsasabi sino o gaano ka-guilty ang isang akusado.

and those apologizing on his behalf for his "colorful" language and explain pa more on what he really meant (someone even said Duterte will not tolerate "extrajudicial killings" samantala yun exactly ang gusto nyang gawin, 5 crooks dead per week)... this means duterte's words will be subject to interpretation, every time?!? pero ang mga boboto sa kanya, salita lang nya ang pinanghahawakan.

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I actually liked what Miriam Defensor-Santiago purportedly done in her stint in the Bureau of Immigration. She made threats, she did not bluff, and she made deals with the syndicates to the effect daw na, this much you can do until such time only. Get your criminals out, process your illegals---until the end of the year only. And then, I'll come after you without reservations.( I'm sure GS and bauer have hair-raising tales about that one#only if you're telling  :D )She knew that it is a huge industry and the syndicates have to turn their own people out gradually.

But, you are right. Her body can't take any more beatings. If she sits in office and gets frail, we are a doner. You know what animals do when they perceive weakness( rant topic coming up, seriously).  That would be worse than another round of election. 


I was caught by surprise when she decided to run, considering her state of health. she is a constitutionalist, she's the first to know how problematic it would be to have a physically incapacitated person elected as president (not that she would win). baka ineentertain na lang din ang sarili nya.

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The problem with Mar, is Korina #j/k, only half  :hihi: This:

Mar doesn't inspire, motivate, etc. If that's the soft sell side, what about his partymates. You know those A's- Abad, Abaya, Allan. Then we move on to B's. Sino nga ba, Belmonte?  ( may tama kayo if you thought I meant the other A's. well done  :D )

Oh hey! A conspiracy theory for you. DU30 is pro-BINAY. He's there to demolish ROXAS  :watchuthink:

Hindi talaga pinapansin si Seneres? Ano yun? Basta mailagay lang sa bio nya na once ran in President of the Phils. election  :D

In one article the writer said Mar is most qualified but considered "boring". Parang sa pagpili ng stocks, we here in PMT know what "boring" means --fundamentally valuable but does not excite, kaya kulelat.

 
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Dec 15, 2015, 02:16 PM


i hope you likewise substantiate exactly what Pnoy failed to do, para malinaw din sayo at sa ating lahat ano exactly yung pagkukulang na hindi mo mapatawad.
Do you remember Pnoy's platform in 2010? Was he able to deliver on that promise? Do you consider your life during Pnoy admin WORSE than your life during Arroyo’s? Mas mahirap kumita the past 5 years, walang opportunities? You don’t attribute any booming business (including the stock market) in the last 5 years due to the confidence of the WHOLE WORLD on the Philippines’ turn around story anchored on Pnoy’s flagship agenda to fight corruption and bring to justice GMA, pork barrel senators, et al?

Yung SAF 44 issue? That was obviously an executive decision. The operations was doomed to fail the soldiers were led to a slaughterhouse (parang mga biktima lang ng hype ng mga stocks gurus). They were sacrificial lambs. Major blunder on everyone involved. K, noted. Can we move on already?


as for Roxas, i still believe he is losing this race because of his incompetent or non-existent PR people. Yung lahat ng kapalpakan nya nadyadyaryo, yung tama nyang ginawa walang nakakaalam. It's bad rep enough he married Korina and he lost any kind of amor from the people thereafter... but to have a campaign team na hindi marunong kumuha ng pulso ng bayan, susmaryosep.



BIG YES, bjj.. My productivity is much WORSE in Noynoys reign compared to Glorias, especially the past 2-3 years..  Its primarily because I move around. Not making it on time translates to loss of income.

Substantiate :
1.Deterioration of mrt lrt...
2.Rotten nfa rice... Im not referring  to yolanda rice...  My mom raised me up to consume the last piece of rice on the plate. One peck of rice equivalent to one dropof sweat of farmers. It just boils me up letting these rice rot..

3.Anti-Corruption? I call it selective anti-corruption. Prosecute gloria while the people seated continue their corruption ways... Just go to bureau of customs and you will kmow what i mean.

4.Paper drivers license, imaginary new plate number...

Where did the money collected go? Simple. Pockets. Campaign. Incompetent. Inefficient.

5.Anti- corruption? Thats more of a joke.... Bilibid prison. Drugs and arms syndicate operate inside... Dont tell me its inherited since glorias time. The fact that it goes on until now means this government is incompetent and corrupted that they allow it to happen...

6.More tax collected, yeah.. But  did it translate to more services rendered? Big no.. 

7. Been almost 6 years, and yeah, blame everything to glorias regime.

Incompetent.  Selective anti-corruption campaign...
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Dec 15, 2015, 02:28 PM
Bjj, i beg to disagree, kahit sinong kandidato, salita naman nila ang panghahawakan ng mga susuporta sa kanila e...
Sabi ni Mirriam kaya niya to run, yun boboto sa kanya di ba salita din pinanghahawakan nila?
Sabi no Poe sa commercial niya, di ba salita din pinanghahawakan ng boboto sa kanya?
Sabi ni Binay  siya na pandak, pero siya ang tumutulong, di ba salita din pinanghahawakan ng botante?
But kay Du30, di lang salita ang pinanghawakan ko, again, track record.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Dec 15, 2015, 06:42 PM

I would rather he says, he will hire 10,000 more court officials, fast track 10 detention facilities in the middle of nowhere, with adjoining courts and hostels for visiting family members for Metro Manila alone---instead of giving business tips like "funeral parlors will be most profitable"  :rolleyes:

 

^Government statistics on our current state of justice system:

- There are about 2,500 courts in our country (MTC, RTC, special courts, etc.)

- about 25% VACANCY RATE on judges (no one wants to apply for 25% of the courts)

- about 1 million pending cases

- there are about 350,000 to 400,000 new cases being filed each year

- to create a new court, one has to make it into a law first.  budget is another issue.

Trivia --- In Tagytay City, there is only 1 court (1 judge too) with 4,000 active cases.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Dec 15, 2015, 06:52 PM
@GS,

My biggest fear against DUTERTE is his pronouncement to abolish Congress and declare a revolutionary government.

I'm sure you are well aware that we have 3 branches in government having an equal power and counter checking on each branches' performance.  This is the hallmark of democracy.  If you abolish one branch (even if it is pack up with wolves and alligators), you are leaving 2 branches.  It's NOT EQUALLY BALANCE.

Congress has the power to check how the executive SPEND the people's money.  The Supreme Court does not.

Congress has the power to create new laws, abolish old ones, amend existing ones.  The Supreme Court does not.

Who will now check and analyze the budget of the executive branch every year?  I suppose it will be DUTERTE alone to make.

Who will now create new laws, abolish old laws, or amend existing laws? I suppose it will be DUTERTE alone to make.

How can the Supreme Court stop DUTERTE?  The executive branch controls the police and the military.

Do we go back again to the time of the Marcos dictatorship?  Nakalimutan siguro ng mga kababayan natin ang famine sa Negros Island.

Maganda na ang takbo ng ating ekonomiya kailangan lang ay lalong palakasin at bilisan ang pag unlad. 

Kung magtatayo tayo ng revolutionary government, masasayang lahat ng pinaghirapan natin.

Naniniwala ka sa salita niya na nangako na I-abolish ang Congress at magtayo ng revolutionary government --- ganoon din ako. 

Heaven forbids what our country will suffer due to that actions. 
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Dec 15, 2015, 07:05 PM
Thanks for your reply GS. Dahil xmas party mode na sa office, I have time to write my thoughts.

Babanggain ko the things you mentioned, as revalidation.

1.   Transport problem, I very much agree. Pag nagdidiscuss kami ng mga kaibigan ko, bugbog sarado si Abaya sa akin sa lahat ng kapalpakan nya. Parang mas maigi pang walang DOTC sec kesa kay Abaya na puro kalechehan ang naranasan nating lahat.

2.   I don’t know anything about NFA rice, but I will ask a collegemate who works there whats up with that (they actually have a program called rice guardians or samting).

3.   Selective anti-corruption. That’s what you think. Look at the latest report of the Ombudsman: posted a conviction rate of 75 percent in the first semester of 2015, higher than the 45 percent recorded for the same period last year. One or more accused were convicted (including guilty pleas) in 81 out of 108 decided cases.
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/746464/ombudsman-increases-conviction-rate-in-first-half-of-2015

The problem in Customs (and BIR) is systemic. No one has succeeded in trying to reform Customs, and if there’s anyone who attempted, sila ang kinain ng sistema.

4.   Another DOTC issue. I actually attempted to get a license 3 times this year, and all failed.

5.   I disagree. Bilibid or not, it was not inherited during Gloria’s time, but the other presidents before her. None were able to solve it. And are you not surprised this thing you’re complaining of actually made it to the news this time?  Sa tinagal-tagal na panahon, nabunyag, may mga Jacuzzi at kung ano ano pang luxuries ang mayayaman na criminal sa loob ng kulungan… nagkaroon ng ilang ulit na “raids” and searches inside Bilibid. Led by no less than the DOJ Sec de Lima. How many bureau of correction officials were sanctioned, I lost track already.

6.   Big no, I agree again. I am disgusted about the persistent poor government spending. Ang daming pera, hindi ginagastos. If Greece is nearly dying because of national debt, our problem is how to spend our collected taxes. Both are indications of poor budget management, but ours is a “good kind of money problem”. Now take into consideration the anti-corruption measures. Bago makalabas ang dokumento, at least 5 tao ang kailangan tumingin at mag-approve (lalo na kung multi-million project, Board of Directors/Trustees pa ang mag-aapprove or the NEDA Board itself or mas may higher pa yata). Hindi pa kasali ang COA. Now take into consideration the PDAF ruling of the SC. Takot na si Abad gumalaw nang walang approval or go-signal from legal people, from malacanang, from whoever else. Takot na rin lahat ng mga heads ng government agencies. Gusto natin ng malinis na proseso. Ito ang kapalit, pagong na pag-usad ng papel.

Gagatulan pa kita ng mas malinaw na halimbawa.  Ano nangyari sa PPP? 12 approved yata as of last month. In 5 years, 12 lang na-proseso for approval? At ilan ang completed so far? Gumawa pa ng isang bukod na ahensya para jan ha, walang ibang gagawin kundi mag-asikaso ng PPP biddings and proposals. Para siguradong malinis, but kung mapapabilis nito ang mga proyekto, is another matter.

7.   Nakakaloka naman talaga na si Gloria ang maya’t mayang binabanggit at binubuntunan ng sisi. But again, ito ang ipinangako ni Pnoy na gagawin nya. For all those times na may special mention si GMA, PNoy is making good on his promise/platform. If you’re the speech writer, GMA was the obvious target because the fact is, she is the unifying thread to all his 5 SONAs.  He promised to bring to justice those who have wronged this country (we’re talking recent past), nalimutan nyo na ba? Yung nagpataob ng kaldero ng bayan and scraped the barrel. Yung ni singko walang tinira. Maski kasi ako, hindi pa nakaka-move on. At hindi dapat mag-move on dahil hindi pa tayo nakakapaningil.

For everything you’ve listed down, sa transport office tayo nagkasundo. But DOTC is not PH govt. How about the successes in BIR, DOT, BSP, NEDA, PAGASA, etc.? Hindi ako maka-PNoy, ok, hindi ko sya ibinoto. But I also try to be objective and see the good portions of his leadership. At muli, it is his anti-corruption agenda, nakakasiguro kang wala syang nakulimbat and you compare and contrast that to the previous admin,  wala namang dudang he passed with flying colors. and how that success influenced the world's sentiment/view on PH as an investment destination, would be another discussion.

I still have a lot to say about the traffic/transpo problem, but some other time, ang daldal ko na masyado, :hihi:. But just a sneak peek: I actually agree with Mar’s comment before, that the monstrous traffic is an indication of the country’s growth. But that is not the whole story, and it’s an epic fail on his part to have left out the real root of the problem which is POOR/LACK OF URBAN PLANNING (na mas nadiscuss pa ng maigi dito sa PMT). That would have been a juicier and more compelling discussion point. Eh dahil nga walang matinong PR advisor, lalo syang na-tsugi sa madlang pipol sa naging comment nya.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: TulogSaPancitan on Dec 15, 2015, 07:33 PM
@GS,

My biggest fear against DUTERTE is his pronouncement to abolish Congress and declare a revolutionary government.

I'm sure you are well aware that we have 3 branches in government having an equal power and counter checking on each branches' performance.  This is the hallmark of democracy.  If you abolish one branch (even if it is pack up with wolves and alligators), you are leaving 2 branches.  It's NOT EQUALLY BALANCE.

Congress has the power to check how the executive SPEND the people's money.  The Supreme Court does not.

Congress has the power to create new laws, abolish old ones, amend existing ones.  The Supreme Court does not.

Who will now check and analyze the budget of the executive branch every year?  I suppose it will be DUTERTE alone to make.

Who will now create new laws, abolish old laws, or amend existing laws? I suppose it will be DUTERTE alone to make.

How can the Supreme Court stop DUTERTE?  The executive branch controls the police and the military.

Do we go back again to the time of the Marcos dictatorship?  Nakalimutan siguro ng mga kababayan natin ang famine sa Negros Island.

Maganda na ang takbo ng ating ekonomiya kailangan lang ay lalong palakasin at bilisan ang pag unlad. 

Kung magtatayo tayo ng revolutionary government, masasayang lahat ng pinaghirapan natin.

Naniniwala ka sa salita niya na nangako na I-abolish ang Congress at magtayo ng revolutionary government --- ganoon din ako. 

Heaven forbids what our country will suffer due to that actions.

not gonna happen. this is called yabang and people are buying it. since i don’t care who will be the president i may like now duterte to win and let’s see the reaction of the people who voted him after failing the high hopes.

thereafter this to be rubbed in the faces of the voting public. that ur elected government is just as stupid as the voting public.
btw there is a nice commentary by prof. monsod on why threat of violence to discipline is not the only way. i agree with her that duterte’s responses so far in terms of economics and social reform is not impressive at all.

and btw, i will not be surprised if carlos celdran will be shot dead by duterte supporters. apparently, duterte’s approach of violence is already catching on.

 :D
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on Dec 15, 2015, 08:23 PM
Stock market Tips

1. Roxas - If you are satisfied with the current admin and want to hold for long term, he will just continue Pinoy styles and ways and still under the influence and guidance of the former Pres. Target price I mean year 2.5 years and maybe do his own thing after that. Good fundamentals.

2. DU30 - Good fundamentals and volatile, High risk high reward speculative because of the radical change he is promising.

3. Miriam - Undervalue. fundamentals good for short term only because of her health problem.

4. Binay - Overvalued with good fundamentals.

Note: All four is not liquid.

Modify it kayo ng bahala.  :D
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Dec 15, 2015, 09:11 PM
For everything you’ve listed down, sa transport office tayo nagkasundo. But DOTC is not PH govt. How about the successes in BIR, DOT, BSP, NEDA, PAGASA, etc.? Hindi ako maka-PNoy, ok, hindi ko sya ibinoto. But I also try to be objective and see the good portions of his leadership. At muli, it is his anti-corruption agenda, nakakasiguro kang wala syang nakulimbat and you compare and contrast that to the previous admin,  wala namang dudang he passed with flying colors. and how that success influenced the world's sentiment/view on PH as an investment destination, would be another discussion. 

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Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Dec 15, 2015, 09:25 PM
Kaya malakas ang sapantaha ng mga kababayan natin na walang masyadong pinagbago ang palakad ng ating gobyerno sa panahon ni GMA at panahon ni Pnoy kasi nga naman

Patuloy ang paglaki ng gastos ng gobyerno ---- nasaan ang resulta?

Patuloy ang paglaki ng utang ng gobyerno ----- kelan kaya ito mababawasan?

Isa lang naman ang sigurado ---- Si Pnoy hindi corrupt (that's what we know) at si GMA may bahid ng corruption (mahina naman ebidensya)

Totoo nga ba na gobyerno ang dahilan ng ating pag-unlad O baka naman umunlad tayo dahil sa sarili nating sipag at tiyaga?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: TulogSaPancitan on Dec 15, 2015, 10:10 PM
Kaya malakas ang sapantaha ng mga kababayan natin na walang masyadong pinagbago ang palakad ng ating gobyerno sa panahon ni GMA at panahon ni Pnoy kasi nga naman

Patuloy ang paglaki ng gastos ng gobyerno ---- nasaan ang resulta?

Patuloy ang paglaki ng utang ng gobyerno ----- kelan kaya ito mababawasan?

Isa lang naman ang sigurado ---- Si Pnoy hindi corrupt (that's what we know) at si GMA may bahid ng corruption (mahina naman ebidensya)

Totoo nga ba na gobyerno ang dahilan ng ating pag-unlad O baka naman umunlad tayo dahil sa sarili nating sipag at tiyaga?


less dependency on the government is the better road to thread. i subscribe to the idea that private individuals and people as a whole are the creator of wealth. the govt is either a hindrance or neutral. most of times it is a hindrance just like in ph. being neutral means the govt removes bureaucracy and let the market forces and individual initiatives do its thing. at least this is the type of govt i can tolerate.

however this is difficult to preach to general populace which still lives in dark age idealogy of monarchical rule. hindi pa rin nawawala sa systema natin ang konsepto ng datu, raha at pinuno na xang may kontrol ng lahat. hence, people put all their hopes to their leaders and be gravely disappointed in the end.

does it matter really who is sitting in malacanang? i think it is a grave imbalance to put the hope of 100 million filipino in a single person sitting his ass for 6 yrs. the answer of course is no. people are the creator of their fate. i will agree to hire a dog for a 140k salary a month to sit in malacanang rather than an actual person who actively plunder govt coffers or making it difficult for business to thrive.

my two cents.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on Dec 15, 2015, 10:27 PM
Suntukan na lang daw kasi nga ang sampalan ay parang kurutan (Pambabae)

Lumalabas na po mga tunay na kulay nila parang mga BATA. Mga Presidentiables ganyang mga bagay ang gustong pagtuunan ng pansin. Samantalang tayo rito mga seryoso.

Kaya nga yan mga kandidatong maraming kaaway kokonti mga kaibigan hindi OK. Sige mag away sila baka si Binay ang lumabas na maganda hindi siya nang aaway siya lang inaaway tutal pagdating sa corruption para sa akin questionable tabla tabla lang sila.



Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Dec 15, 2015, 11:50 PM
not gonna happen. this is called yabang and people are buying it. since i don’t care who will be the president i may like now duterte to win and let’s see the reaction of the people who voted him after failing the high hopes.

thereafter this to be rubbed in the faces of the voting public. that ur elected government is just as stupid as the voting public.
btw there is a nice commentary by prof. monsod on why threat of violence to discipline is not the only way. i agree with her that duterte’s responses so far in terms of economics and social reform is not impressive at all.

and btw, i will not be surprised if carlos celdran will be shot dead by duterte supporters. apparently, duterte’s approach of violence is already catching on.

 :D

Thats your opinion and I respect that. but i see it as a useless effort of you to trying to be a seer...

Puros yabang si Duterte, at nakita ko ang Davao, talagang pwedeng ipagyabang.

I can also say Carlos Celdrn will become the yellow ribbons sacrificial lamb to destroys Du30s reputation.

See.. hakahaka ka pa more...


Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Dec 15, 2015, 11:53 PM

less dependency on the government is the better road to thread. i subscribe to the idea that private individuals and people as a whole are the creator of wealth. the govt is either a hindrance or neutral. most of times it is a hindrance just like in ph. being neutral means the govt removes bureaucracy and let the market forces and individual initiatives do its thing. at least this is the type of govt i can tolerate.

however this is difficult to preach to general populace which still lives in dark age idealogy of monarchical rule. hindi pa rin nawawala sa systema natin ang konsepto ng datu, raha at pinuno na xang may kontrol ng lahat. hence, people put all their hopes to their leaders and be gravely disappointed in the end.

does it matter really who is sitting in malacanang? i think it is a grave imbalance to put the hope of 100 million filipino in a single person sitting his ass for 6 yrs. the answer of course is no. people are the creator of their fate. i will agree to hire a dog for a 140k salary a month to sit in malacanang rather than an actual person who actively plunder govt coffers or making it difficult for business to thrive.

my two cents.

your two cents is worth half a cent. Because you are crying in a wrong thread. This is about election and leadership and governance. Create a new thread if you want to discuss self awareness self effort and self motivation. Im all for that too , you know... yun nga lang, sorry, wrong number ka...
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Dec 16, 2015, 12:14 AM
@bjj, too long to quote your post.... rest asured i read everything though hehe.. ill reply on some of your points

1. DOTC - guess who used to be the secretary? - Mar Roxas ( bad track record)

2. Bilibid - ya, no administration was able to solve it. which means, chances are, roxas administration, wont be able to solve it too because its a continuation of Noynoy administration...

3. Neda -
Exerpt : At one end, there is President Aquino and Neda director-general Arsenio Balisacan, who claim that the government has succeeded in reducing poverty incidence through its policy of inclusive growth.
At the other end, there is the IMF and its country representative here, who believe that the government’s poverty reduction boast is at best a case of fudging the numbers, by employing a change of formula in computing poverty figures.

Continue reading : http://www.manilatimes.net/imf-exposes-the-lie-in-ph-poverty-reduction/217107/ (http://www.manilatimes.net/imf-exposes-the-lie-in-ph-poverty-reduction/217107/)

4. Still selective anti-corruption - i read your link, and the  ones prosecuted are mostly officials from previous administration. Which proves my point. Id be happy to see statistics of officials prosecuted who serve or served under NoyNoys adminstration.

5.  Bureau of custom- for the sake of argument lets say i  agree with you that its the system. Noynoy coulnt or didnt upgrade it in 6 years. No improvement at all.. Do you think Mar Roxas, a man known for his incompetence can do a better job?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: patski on Dec 16, 2015, 05:21 AM
@GS,

I do believe that it must not take 25 years for major projects to be done. It is doable in 6 years or within a presidential term limit. but it needs a strong political will from the leader.

I also believe that the leader will move the people to the right path if the leader possess the right skills and right public relations.

A good example is lee Kwan yew of Singapore.  Their citizens back then is one of the most difficult to manage due to diverse cultural background but he was able to enforce discipline and sense of national pride.  unfortunately, I do not see DUterte as another lee Kwan yew of our country.

Imagine the horror that we will face if Duterte gets elected and after a few years we do not like his management style, we cannot blame the man for our ills.  he said it now that he will do this and do that so we cannot do anything or complain later on once his actions fails. Where will it leave us then?

The problem of major infra projects is lack of money to fund them. DU30's solution is "umutang" which I do not have a problem as we can consider it a "good loan" (provided the money is properly used). As to when these projects can be completed, I doubt it will be finished within 6 year (or 1 presidential term).

@ BOLD
Yeah I can imagine what would be DU30's government will be and how the majority of Filipinos will react.  :huh:
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Dec 16, 2015, 11:12 AM
Mukhang problema rin ni Mar ang problem ni PNoy. Yung mali-maling impormasyon na pinaniniwalaan agad agad. Pagkatapos nyang parangalan ang Davao City ng nakaraan ngayon naman sasabihin nya ngayong kathang isip lang ang kababaan ng kriminalidad sa Davao. Dagdag pa nito, pananatiliin nya ang mga sekretarya/opisyales ni PNoy. That includes Abaya and that st%#id NAIA officer.

Pero sapalagay nyo mga Fellow PMTers, ano mangyayari sa ating ekonomiya base sa kung sino ang magiging presidente?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Dec 16, 2015, 01:01 PM

Pero sapalagay nyo mga Fellow PMTers, ano mangyayari sa ating ekonomiya base sa kung sino ang magiging presidente?

^ So far only Duterte promise to abolish Congress and set up a revolutionary government. I am 100% certain of an economic crisis once this action is realize.

Roxas, Binay, Poe, and Miriam have not announce any earth shaking policy that will create a havoc on our economy. The economy will move either slowly or faster depending on their policies.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: TulogSaPancitan on Dec 16, 2015, 09:48 PM
Thats your opinion and I respect that. but i see it as a useless effort of you to trying to be a seer...

Puros yabang si Duterte, at nakita ko ang Davao, talagang pwedeng ipagyabang.

I can also say Carlos Celdrn will become the yellow ribbons sacrificial lamb to destroys Du30s reputation.

See.. hakahaka ka pa more...

lelz. kung pabonggahan lang ng siyudad ang labanan eh di lamang na si binay. and for the same reason na dinastiya sila kaya mukhang may nagawa. takte, tagal ba naman sa pwesto.

look who's being a seer? duterte supporters are already rabid in their claims that he will do well. nyahaha. im pretty sure duterte what duterte has done is partly becoz of them being a dynasty. same can be said with makati.

nwei, im not trying to convince but just pointing out the obvious. it’s called confirmation bias. u only see what u like to see.

maybe u noticed im kinda hitting only on duterte. that’s natural coz the guy is bordering evil (with his human right violations) and thor only knows what would happen if he holds the highest power. he is just mayor and admitted killing, how much more if he get more than that. u know the answer.

binay, mar or poe looks like better choices. not much to chose anyway.

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: TulogSaPancitan on Dec 16, 2015, 09:51 PM
your two cents is worth half a cent. Because you are crying in a wrong thread. This is about election and leadership and governance. Create a new thread if you want to discuss self awareness self effort and self motivation. Im all for that too , you know... yun nga lang, sorry, wrong number ka...

wag kang epal. i was trying to respond to a question. basa mabuti. taas na bp.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: george88 on Dec 16, 2015, 09:54 PM
@TulogSaPancitan

naniniwala ka pa rin kay Monsod? Lahat naman binabatikos nyan eh kelan lang sya nanahimik nung nagkastroke at nagpahinga.

Anyway yung 3 kumag magkakaibigan naman yan eh D30,Nognog and Epal king. Pinagkaiba lang DU30 walang attachment sa pagtakbo nya manalo matalo okay lang sa kanya very willing nga umatras eh! While Mar Roxas has the attachment and need to win to surpass his grandfather and father so he will do everything. This is just a conspiracy but if you analyze the situation Duterte trying to help Roxas image to build up just incase Duterte will also disqualified and Binay couldn't put in jail Roxas name is already catchup Binay and he is the lastoption of the Yellow zombies and believers that could save their great great lieder. Miriam couldn't make it she is smart and thats it! I want D30 because I want partylist and congressman to be abolished including SK  and other NON-SENSE government entity its a was of FUND and TAX for us to feed and make this HOGS of GOVERNMENT richer than us
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: george88 on Dec 16, 2015, 10:02 PM
lelz. kung pabonggahan lang ng siyudad ang labanan eh di lamang na si binay. and for the same reason na dinastiya sila kaya mukhang may nagawa. takte, tagal ba naman sa pwesto.

look who's being a seer? duterte supporters are already rabid in their claims that he will do well. nyahaha. im pretty sure duterte what duterte has done is partly becoz of them being a dynasty. same can be said with makati.

nwei, im not trying to convince but just pointing out the obvious. it’s called confirmation bias. u only see what u like to see.

maybe u noticed im kinda hitting only on duterte. that’s natural coz the guy is bordering evil (with his human right violations) and thor only knows what would happen if he holds the highest power. he is just mayor and admitted killing, how much more if he get more than that. u know the answer.

binay, mar or poe looks like better choices. not much to chose anyway.


Wala pong 911 sa Makati Sir, ang curfew hindi naiimplement ng maayos, wala rin ordinance na bawal na malakas na videoke after 10pm unless may magreklamo. Without Ayala Infra sabog ang Ayala avenue kung papahawakan lang sa yellow boys (TMO) try to look Pasong tamo hanggang PRC. Business hub lang kasi makati at nandito ang mga village ng pinakamayayamang tao sa pilipinas pati pari ng CBCP. Pero soon Taguig will catchup as BGC, Mckinley, Arca rising top taxpayer ang taguig under Tinga nung umupo si Lani Cayetano ewan ko ano nangyari hehe kaya nga kinukuha ni Binay yung BGC para maging part ng Makati. Walang sinabi yung University of Makati sa University of Taguig before libre lahat pati lunch mo tamad ka na lang talaga pag hindi ka nagaral sister and brother ko are graduate of Uni. of Taguig ngayon sobrang panget na ang boto mo ay mahalaga pag nadetect ka na hindi mo binoto si Cayetano diskaril ang pagaaral mo, wala na rin yung libreng lunch, may bayad na rin ang uniform. Alanganin ako kay Alan Cayetano dahil dito No.1 option ko pa rin Marcos 2nd Leni and 3rd lang Alan sa VP
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Dec 16, 2015, 11:54 PM
wag kang epal. i was trying to respond to a question. basa mabuti. taas na bp.

Wag ka din epal. Thats my opinion to your respond to a question. Your 2 cents is half a cent, kasi wrong number.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Dec 17, 2015, 12:05 AM
lelz. kung pabonggahan lang ng siyudad ang labanan eh di lamang na si binay. and for the same reason na dinastiya sila kaya mukhang may nagawa. takte, tagal ba naman sa pwesto.

look who's being a seer? duterte supporters are already rabid in their claims that he will do well. nyahaha. im pretty sure duterte what duterte has done is partly becoz of them being a dynasty. same can be said with makati.

nwei, im not trying to convince but just pointing out the obvious. it’s called confirmation bias. u only see what u like to see.

maybe u noticed im kinda hitting only on duterte. that’s natural coz the guy is bordering evil (with his human right violations) and thor only knows what would happen if he holds the highest power. he is just mayor and admitted killing, how much more if he get more than that. u know the answer.

binay, mar or poe looks like better choices. not much to chose anyway.

Well, i always say im willing to take the chance... Unlike you, your comment just boomerang to you.... And you are generalizing dutertes supporters being seer... Ikaw ang seer...

Kung pabonggahan kamo, e di si Binay isuporta mo. May pumipigil ba sayo? Whats the difference? Corrupt si Binay.

Ayan lumalabas na uli yun tigasin mo sa palusot. Bumalik ka na sa unang premise about not liking Duterte bago nagpalusot... Lol

Ok lang yan, e di wag mo iboto...

You know whats funny about his alleged human rights violation through extra judicial killings? Hindi daw naniniwala si Belmonte na pumatay siya if he doesnot name people he killed. So? Naniniwala ka kay Duterte na pumatay siya? Pero sabi mo yabang lang siya? Lol... Ang gulo mo....

I-compile mo yun posts mo dito, pansinin mo ang gulo gulo... Ganun talaga pag tigasin sa palusot, nawawala at nakakalimutan kung ano ang unang nasabi niya...
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Dec 17, 2015, 12:25 AM
Wala pong 911 sa Makati Sir, ang curfew hindi naiimplement ng maayos, wala rin ordinance na bawal na malakas na videoke after 10pm unless may magreklamo. Without Ayala Infra sabog ang Ayala avenue kung papahawakan lang sa yellow boys (TMO). Business hub lang kasi makati at nandito ang mga village ng pinakamayayamang tao sa pilipinas pati pari ng CBCP. Pero soon Taguig will catchup as BGC, Mckinley, Arca rising top taxpayer ang taguig under Tinga nung umupo si Lani Cayetano ewan ko ano nangyari hehe kaya nga kinukuha ni Binay yung BGC para maging part ng Makati. Walang sinabi yung University of Makati sa University of Taguig before libre lahat pati lunch mo tamad ka na lang talaga pag hindi ka nagaral sister and brother ko are graduate of Uni. of Taguig ngayon sobrang panget na ang boto mo ay mahalaga pag nadetect ka na hindi mo binoto si Cayetano diskaril ang pagaaral mo, wala na rin yung libreng lunch, may bayad na rin ang uniform. Alanganin ako kay Alan Cayetano dahil dito No.1 option ko pa rin Marcos 2nd Leni and 3rd lang Alan sa VP

George88, isa pa, naalala mo si junjun binay yun may nagpayong sa kanya tapos sinita nya yun guard ng Dasma village? Panalo nga sa pabonggahan ng power tripping ang mga Binay...

sa vice president, di pa ako makadecide kaya di pa ako vote or comment sa kabilang thread,  hirap e, want ko si marcos sana, pero nag paturnoff saken eh yung pagtaas ng kamay ni Enrile sa kanya, e si enrile ang isa sa mga nang iwan kay ferdi marcos... Si cayetano naman,  sobrang konting executive experience...si leni din... Si cheez naman, asawa niya crush ko....lol.. BUt this guy maneuvers around for his benefit...trillanes naman, i lack info, apparently hardworker daw sa senate...
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Dec 17, 2015, 12:44 AM
^ So far only Duterte promise to abolish Congress and set up a revolutionary government. I am 100% certain of an economic crisis once this action is realize.

Roxas, Binay, Poe, and Miriam have not announce any earth shaking policy that will create a havoc on our economy. The economy will move either slowly or faster depending on their policies.

@b, actually what he said was something like he will roll out his reforms and policies when he starts his office. If I remember right, he said after a year of doing so, if the congress is the hindrance for progress, then he will abolish it.

Granting all else fail and eventually he abolishes the Congress, i dont know how he is going to do it. Overnight? Plan it out? For me, there may be a chance that there will be economic crisis, but not 100%. And remember, this is overhaul. Turning  and changing the whole system. Its like engine overhaul, depends on the mechanic. If the mechanic is skilled, overhaul will make the engine more efficient. Again, with his track record, im willing to take the chance. Bulok na bulok na ang makina, di na uubra ang change oil lang...

Thats why be warned, dont vote for him if you are not willing to take the chance.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: freefront on Dec 17, 2015, 03:52 AM
Totally agree ff. May pasintabi na agad-agad. IF he f*cks up, which is guaranteed, uulit-ulitin nyang, ayaw naman nya talaga maging presidente, pinilit lang sya ng mga tao, wag nyo syang sisihin.
 its the reverse of what will actually happen. wala nang silbi ang mga criminal lawyers, baka dapat isara na rin ang mga korte, that's total waste of time already, si duterte na ang magsasabi sino o gaano ka-guilty ang isang akusado.

You went as far as witch hunt? It's been done before.

[/quote]
and those apologizing on his behalf for his "colorful" language and explain pa more on what he really meant (someone even said Duterte will not tolerate "extrajudicial killings" samantala yun exactly ang gusto nyang gawin, 5 crooks dead per week)... this means duterte's words will be subject to interpretation, every time?!? pero ang mga boboto sa kanya, salita lang nya ang pinanghahawakan. [/quote]

He is a lawyer! Of course his words will always be subject to interpretation  :D Your work though, is on paper. Hardly any wriggle room on that :)

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I was caught by surprise when she decided to run, considering her state of health. she is a constitutionalist, she's the first to know how problematic it would be to have a physically incapacitated person elected as president (not that she would win). baka ineentertain na lang din ang sarili nya.

Me, too. Maybe, just maybe, she joined to elevate the conversation. Plus, what can make you more alive than pitting your being in an arena where you excel, right?

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In one article the writer said Mar is most qualified but considered "boring". Parang sa pagpili ng stocks, we here in PMT know what "boring" means --fundamentally valuable but does not excite, kaya kulelat.

You just ran over my port  :hihi: Anyway--- his PR really sucks. I mean, really, his hair, his glasses, his daddy pants, his tone of voice, his hand gestures (try to mute one of his Q &A on TV- it's going to drive you nuts!)  You think those peopel take suggestions? Look--- Duterte is on Botox. MAR should wear contact lenses once in a while. Pabonggahan na lang smile krinkles  :hihi:
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: freefront on Dec 17, 2015, 04:14 AM
Mukhang problema rin ni Mar ang problem ni PNoy. Yung mali-maling impormasyon na pinaniniwalaan agad agad. Pagkatapos nyang parangalan ang Davao City ng nakaraan ngayon naman sasabihin nya ngayong kathang isip lang ang kababaan ng kriminalidad sa Davao. Dagdag pa nito, pananatiliin nya ang mga sekretarya/opisyales ni PNoy. That includes Abaya and that st%#id NAIA officer.

Pero sapalagay nyo mga Fellow PMTers, ano mangyayari sa ating ekonomiya base sa kung sino ang magiging presidente?

I was hoping MAR won't make patol the sampalan issue but I guess, any press is good press to his PR people. Here's the thing that will be so low- that he will do a Noynoy on Noynoy. Blame everything on GMA is what Noynoy did. MAR can't do that since he is part of the Noynoy admin, di ba?

Nakakasawa kasi. Una, it's just unmanly, undignified, un-statesmanlike.  It's almost psychotic already. Even if nobody names that behavior, you just know in your gut that it is something you need to move away from. Maybe it's just the way they present their data. But to be frank---this administration bitched bitched bitched bitched bitched.

^^^ To answer your Q

Maybe you were still shitting in your pants ( just sounds better than diapers  :rakenrol:), ask anyone who were around when we had those coup d'etats. A bad Political climate will destroy what is already on the ground.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Dec 17, 2015, 02:10 PM
  Si cheez naman, asawa niya crush ko....lol.. 

^ :rakenrol:  :D How about LIza S. :watchuthink:
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Dec 17, 2015, 02:13 PM
@b, actually what he said was something like he will roll out his reforms and policies when he starts his office. If I remember right, he said after a year of doing so, if the congress is the hindrance for progress, then he will abolish it.
 

^Mukhang good news sa DU30 supporters decision ng COMELEC to accept Duterte's substitution  :boxing:
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Dec 17, 2015, 04:32 PM
I^^^ To answer your Q

Maybe you were still shitting in your pants ( just sounds better than diapers  :rakenrol:), ask anyone who were around when we had those coup d'etats. A bad Political climate will destroy what is already on the ground.

Yeah, yung kay Trillanes lang ang naabutan kong coup d'etat,  :D  :hihi: at may physics exam pa kami non.

What if ekonomista nanaman ang manalo? What if isang constitutional genius? What if businessman?

Si Digong palang ang may malinaw na sinasabing plataporma through "federalism". Tignan na lang natin kung ano mangyayari next year. Aabangan ko kung may sampalan na magaganap  :hihi:
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: george88 on Dec 17, 2015, 06:35 PM
Malabo na ang kudeta. Magdalo could be the last successful kudeta and many soldiers will learn from that where are the Magdalo group now? Only Trillanes is happy after that. Natututo na rin mga sundalo ngayon madalas ginagamit lang sila para sa sariling interes. Sana naman natuto na rin mga Filipino kay Noynoy at magising na sila sa kahibangan ni Binay! Nakapagtiis tayo ng anim na taon wag ng dagdagan pa! Yung mga Infrastructure sana magawa na ng susunod na presidente matagal ng plano yung mga Train expansion hanggang ngayon problema pa rin yung bagon sa MRT. Yung mga power plant na panahon pa ng lolo ko, education system na nilumot na ng panahon, utang na hindi mabayad bayadan
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: freefront on Dec 17, 2015, 07:06 PM
Yeah, yung kay Trillanes lang ang naabutan kong coup d'etat,  :D  :hihi: at may physics exam pa kami non.

What if ekonomista nanaman ang manalo? What if isang constitutional genius? What if businessman?

Si Digong palang ang may malinaw na sinasabing plataporma through "federalism". Tignan na lang natin kung ano mangyayari next year. Aabangan ko kung may sampalan na magaganap  :hihi:

I'm not sold on federalism. I heard my dad talking about it with his cohorts ( i haven't bothered to get updated with it though--- and that's a long time) when I was little. Note that a lot of provinces were agricultural in nature at that time. The problem with the system when applied to PHL is that there are a lot of regions that don't collect much in the form of taxes. Anong gagawin ng ibang rich na region? Subsidize the poor ones? Besides, it is playing to our bad habit of regionalism. Sa kayabangan na lang ng lahi ni bleep at ni bleep, baka mag-civil war na tayo lol I just can see it now. Put distinct geographical boundaries with their own state laws and people will be drawing guns for the tiniest of reasons like, saan gawa ang pinakamasarap na longganisa hahaha

@george and jena- I'm not talking kudeta alone. It's the political stability or instability that makes for a business boom or capital flight.

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Dec 18, 2015, 02:41 PM
^ I agree with FF statement on federalism.  It does not promote unity in our country with over 7,000 islands.  In America, federalism works because they have ONE LANGUAGE and CULTURAL practices.

Besides, we do not need federalism.  We have a VERY STRONG LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE (courtesy of the senior Pimentel). 

Our LGU now receives a FAIR share of National Funds with AUTOMATIC appropriation based on their income, population, and territorial size.  If their income is low but the territory and population is large, the LGU receives a bigger fund allocation.  There is no need to line-up to Malacanan Palace every budget season.

Likewise, LGU now can create their own local laws and create their own income sources.  Ano pa ba ang positibong halaga na maidudulot ng Federalism?  Kaya siguro hindi maipaliwanag ng detalyado ni DUTERTE ang federalism kumpara sa Local Government Code natin ngayon kasi halos wala na silang pinagkaiba maliban sa pangalan lang. 

The biggest disadvantage of federalism actually is the lower revenue for poor regions/provinces.  Kanya-kanya ang bawat lugar dumiskarte --- walang tulungan.

Actually we are already partly applying a form of federalism --- Cordillera region and ARMM is an example.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: george88 on Dec 18, 2015, 07:38 PM
Ang tanogn kung mabago nya Gloria nga sinubukan eh kulungan tuloy ang bagsak eh ewan ko ba sarap na sarap ang oligarch at mga dorobong politiko sa 1987 constitution. Pag naabolished nya ang party list at congressman maniniwala ako
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on Dec 19, 2015, 10:31 PM
Ano ho ba talaga ang mangyayari kung mawawala ang congress, matatanggal ba corruption o mababawasan lang pero paano, Ito ngayon ang malaking tanong sino ang gagawa ng batas ngayon wala na ang congress siya ba?

May nag mention kay GMA sino ang may gusto kay GMA?

Read this and watch the video.

'AMPAW' KA | Trillanes to Duterte: Stop being 'petty, deepen your discourse'
By: InterAksyon.com, videos by Bernard Testa
December 18, 2015 9:30 PM

MANILA, Philippines – Senator and vice presidential aspirant Antonio Trillanes IV is advising voters not to give too much attention to the alleged “gimmicks” of Davao City Mayor and presidential aspirant Rodrigo Duterte.

Trillanes, during an interview with InterAksyon and Bloomberg on Friday, said “the public should deserve better” than hearing Duterte’s quotable but empty or “ampaw [puffed rice]” statements, including his recent pronouncement that he would slap Manuel “Mar” Roxas II, the former Interior and Local Government secretary and his fellow presidential aspirant, whom he described as “gago [idiot],” if they meet on the campaign trail.

Trillanes said that if the Davao mayor would really want to prove his qualifications as the country’s next chief executive, he would stop engaging in trivial acts and publicity gimmicks to get votes.

“Kumbaga, napaka-petty n’yan…Palalimin n’ya ang diskurso. Ano ba ‘yong program mo talaga? Sa akin, ‘yong ganyang mga gimmick, pangkuha ng boto ‘yan. Nilalaro tayo, nilalaro ang mga botante [It’s so petty…He should deepen the discourse. What is really your program? For me, such gimmicks are being done to get votes, to play on us, play on the voters’ emotions].”

The senator said the media would be able to help expose Duterte’s alleged shallowness if they would sit down with the tough-taking mayor and probe and verify his every statement.

“It would help kung ang media, upuan siya at talagang himayin. Makikita n’yo ampaw ‘yan kasi wala namang malalim-lalim na polisiyang makukuha ka kay Mayor Duterte,” said Trillanes.

Moreover, Trillanes questioned Duterte’s anti-corruption stance, claiming that the mayor remained an ally of Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo even during the height of the protest campaigns against the former President over corruption allegations.

“Ang sa akin, noong panahon ni GMA na ino-oppress ang taumbayan…, asan ka? Kakampi mo si GMA eh [Where were you during GMA’s time when the people were being oppressed? GMA was your ally], Trillanes told Duterte.

“(E)verybody would tend to assume that he is an anti-corruption political leader, of course not. Tingnan mo ‘yong mga tao…na nakapaligid sa kanya [Look at the people around him]. You have (former Armed Force chief Hermogenes) Esperon, you have the GMA people there,” the senator said.

Also, Trillanes said he did not hear Duterte criticizing Vice President and presidential aspirant Jejomar Binay even amid the many corruption allegations against the latter. Recently, Duterte was quoted in news reports as saying that he would campaign for Binay if the Davao mayor would be disqualified as presidential candidate.

“Even kay Binay, they didn’t say anything negative against Binay. So lumalabas ‘yong true colors,” said the senator.

Watch the video si GMA makakalabas na kung si DU30 ang mananalo.

http://www.interaksyon.com/article/121627/ampaw-ka--trillanes-to-duterte-stop-being-petty-deepen-your-discourse
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: freefront on Dec 20, 2015, 03:54 AM
Binay- a lot to gain

DU30- not much to lose

MAR- a lot to lose

Poe- I do not trust a sweet smarmy voice

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Dec 21, 2015, 08:21 AM
Uso na ata na lahat ng president may kaso kapag natatapos ang termino. Kaya si PNoy tinatrabaho na manalo si Mar, takot makulong  :hihi:
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Dec 21, 2015, 11:50 AM
@bauer, Ya, Liza too... pero beware, minor pa siya hehehee.....

federalism promotes regionalism : Actually, may or may not be... If one region under performs, people fr that region may opt to settle to another region...* I, for one, may live outside Manila if I see better opportunities...

@jenof, ya ganun lagi, prosecute corruption from previous terms while present admin doing the corruption works. Im just hoping if ever manalo si Duterte, ang iaassign niya are those people willing to serve, and prosecute officials he appointed if they commit the same offense...
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Dec 22, 2015, 09:14 AM
Dahil nagkamali si Steve Harvey sa pagannounce ng Miss Universe, naisip ko paano kapag nagkamali si COMELEC mag announce ng nanalong presidentiables  :hihi:
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: george88 on Dec 22, 2015, 04:44 PM
Binay- a lot to gain

DU30- not much to lose

MAR- a lot to lose

Poe- I do not trust a sweet smarmy voice



I agree... D30 is actually willing and open to loss while Mar and Binay trying hard to win they cling and needy. Despite of that we could see how sincere Duterte as a public official proving he dont need Money and material thing imagine 30 years in politics yet he doesn't have mansion house like the other presidentiable and guess what, we can only see how rich Binay and Mar over media we dont have any idea how big is their wealth behind it. Anyway by 2016 expect a lot of manipulated stories and dirty tactics from Yellow clan I am very sure they will use the same tactics that works on Manny Villar paint your enemy black spread fear then make their candidate as a Hero.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Dec 23, 2015, 07:25 AM
In good terms ata ang yellow submarine with the oranges from the south. Special mention si Cynthia sa budget press con nila kahapon.

Hindi makapili ng susuportahan ang ponkan community dahil yung tatlong contender sa pagka bise under nila.

Nakita nyo na ba yung bagong video ni Duterte? yung nag-merry Christmas sya sa mga magnanakaw at corrupt? With a dark room and republic of Davao at the back.... ang tindi.

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Feb 02, 2016, 12:42 PM
He is a lawyer! Of course his words will always be subject to interpretation  :D Your work though, is on paper. Hardly any wriggle room on that :)


ngayon ko lang ulit nahanap ang thread na itey... makasingit nga, daming interesanteng comments....

I know! E ang siste ateh, kulang na lang lumitanya ng "susungkitin ko ang buwan at mga bituin".. sobrang KA-IMPOSIBLEHAN ang pinagsasabi, parang nakaka-bobo pakinggan. He will end criminality by murdering the drug addicts and drug pushers (he never mentions drug LORDS -- dun sya sa mga tingi-tinging shabu lang ang kayang bilhin, pakalat-kalat sa daan type).

he will end drugs and crimes in 3-6 months. kung hindi ka ba naman humagalpak sa super-walastik na platapormang yan. Seriously???? Drugs ang PRIORITY AREA mo? Yan talaga ang pinaka-nangangailangan ng atensyon ng presidente???? saang bahagi ng dyaryo lumalabas ang mga istorya ng drug crimes? sa broadsheets, sa page bago mag-obituary at ads. sa Abante, Bandera, Tiktik, yan dyan na-heheadline ang droga... kasi yan ang dyaryong binabasa nya kaya tingin nya its the most pressing problem of the country. palakpakan ang mga dutertards.
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Me, too. Maybe, just maybe, she joined to elevate the conversation. Plus, what can make you more alive than pitting your being in an arena where you excel, right?
I think her time has passed. She thought just because naging bestseller ang kanyang joke books, she still has it. I think its more naaaliw ang tao sa knyang hugot and pickup lines, more than she can be a compelling pres'l candidate, not that merong sinumang compelling sa mga candidates ngayon.

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You just ran over my port  :hihi: Anyway--- his PR really sucks. I mean, really, his hair, his glasses, his daddy pants, his tone of voice, his hand gestures (try to mute one of his Q &A on TV- it's going to drive you nuts!)  You think those peopel take suggestions? Look--- Duterte is on Botox. MAR should wear contact lenses once in a while. Pabonggahan na lang smile krinkles  :hihi:

I'm following this one political blogger (i dont even know the person behind the handle) on twitter and s/he tagged Leni Robredo twitter account admin and asked that they relay to Mar and his PR people how badly they are performing in terms of propping him as a presidential candidate. and it seems like wala pa ring gaanong improvement.

mejo alanganin din ako sa pinili nilang campaign slogan -- ituloy ang matuwid na daan. it feels to me na parang he's content on being on Pnoy's shadows. And all the kapalpakan ng Pnoy admin sa kanya na ngayon ibinabato. but it could also be good for him, dahil at least he stays in the consciousness of the public, and ung kapalpakan, he can slightly dodge na hindi naman talaga kanya but his predecessor's, and he will improve on these areas. Still, the PR group are just sooo annoyingly incompetent. wala ba talagang interesanteng bagay tungkol kay Mar? Anything that would portray him as someone who may be rich but has simple joys, or whatever. hindi yung pinagttrapik nila, pinagmamartilyo, pinagbubuhat ng sako ng bigas. humaygahd!



Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Feb 02, 2016, 01:19 PM

less dependency on the government is the better road to thread. i subscribe to the idea that private individuals and people as a whole are the creator of wealth. the govt is either a hindrance or neutral. most of times it is a hindrance just like in ph. being neutral means the govt removes bureaucracy and let the market forces and individual initiatives do its thing. at least this is the type of govt i can tolerate.

however this is difficult to preach to general populace which still lives in dark age idealogy of monarchical rule. hindi pa rin nawawala sa systema natin ang konsepto ng datu, raha at pinuno na xang may kontrol ng lahat. hence, people put all their hopes to their leaders and be gravely disappointed in the end.

does it matter really who is sitting in malacanang? i think it is a grave imbalance to put the hope of 100 million filipino in a single person sitting his ass for 6 yrs. the answer of course is no. people are the creator of their fate. i will agree to hire a dog for a 140k salary a month to sit in malacanang rather than an actual person who actively plunder govt coffers or making it difficult for business to thrive.

my two cents.
I agree to everything you said. there is that superhero and savior mentality that our countrymen are associating to the president. kaya naman duterte fans are busyng-busy creating memes where he is portrayed as superman or sangganong tagapagtanggol ng na-aapi. weh? Reality versus expecations kaya ang gawin nila? Expectation: PResident Duterte wielding machine gun in the street. Reality: A President don't roam around the streets to wait for cigarette butts to be thrown by a person and force feed it back to the person's mouth. He doesn't hunt down criminals, he is not paid to play vigilante.EVER. HE STAYS IN MALACANANG, CONFERENCE ROOMS, CHAIRS ALL MEETINGS AND TALKS TO FOREIGN DELEGATES AND WORLD LEADERS. Can anyone imagine Duterte doing this FULLTIME? 1 Full day na hindi sya magmumura, mangma-maniac at makiharap sa foreign dignitaries nang hindi sya magmamalaki na pumapatay sya ng kriminal (according to his own definition of a criminal)? Kaya nya kaya? Kasi that is the President's real job 20 hours a day, 365 days a year, for 6 years.

It takes more than one person to lead a nation, especially ang magulong bansa natin, pero yung fanatics akala mo nakahanap ng pulaang messiah sa katauhan ni duterte. but if you weigh the words that are coming out of his mouth, without bias, goodness good, its all air. no substance whatsoever, and i cannot understand why people are not taking the time to actually think about what he's been saying.


Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Feb 02, 2016, 02:16 PM
From bashers - supporters of Duterte - Dutertards.

With same logic.
 Supporters of Roxas - Martards.
 Supporters of Poe - Poetards.
Supporters of Binay - Binaytards.
Supporters of Mirriam - Santards.

So lahahat ng boboto, Tards!  lol

Pero why Dutertards ang pinaka matunog?
Kasi yan ang mga bashers, back to original hypothesis.

Instead na suportahan at ipush ang taya nilaa, ibash na lang si Duterte. And take note , those bashers really has a misconception of why people support Duterte. After reading these threads, they still dont get it.

Go on callimg Dutertards, and yes Im a proud Dutertard, not your concept of tard.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Feb 02, 2016, 06:33 PM
@b, actually what he said was something like he will roll out his reforms and policies when he starts his office. If I remember right, he said after a year of doing so, if the congress is the hindrance for progress, then he will abolish it.
Granting all else fail and eventually he abolishes the Congress, i dont know how he is going to do it. Overnight? Plan it out? For me, there may be a chance that there will be economic crisis, but not 100%. And remember, this is overhaul. Turning  and changing the whole system. Its like engine overhaul, depends on the mechanic. If the mechanic is skilled, overhaul will make the engine more efficient. Again, with his track record, im willing to take the chance. Bulok na bulok na ang makina, di na uubra ang change oil lang...
Thats why be warned, dont vote for him if you are not willing to take the chance.

ALL BS, GS. With all due respect with you being a PMT stalwart, but my gulay ha... Kalokohan lahat yan sinasabi nya, it's like listening to a taong-grasa na nagmumungkahi anong solusyon sa problema ng pinas. thats how ridiculous all of that^ are. Duterte has been in power in Davao for almost 30 years, trapong-trapo ang pagsasalita. sangganong trapo, yun ang pinagkaiba nya at hindi sa mga matatayog nyang pangarap para sa pinas. yes pangarap, kahit ako i can easily say those exact same things na gagawin ko pag ako naging presidente. it doesnt mean it will be done, or it CAN BE DONE.

After a year of doing so if congress is the hindrance for progress, he will abolish it??? Are you listening to yourself???? You bought that sh*t???? WaaahhhhH!!!!!! Its sooo ridiculous, I want to change my keypad with only exclamation point buttons!!!!

Engine change?? Ano?? What makes you think an “overhaul” will be easy? Sa imagination yan madali OMG!!! A real overhaul takes DECADES. Just getting the paper works done will take at least 2 years, another year if it needs to go through referendum. Ilang taon na lang natira? 3 years. Then you will recruit the correct people to do the job. 1 year. Then you will train them. Then they will start working, discuss with each other how the hell they are going to do this... Ooopppsss, time is up nakalipas na ang 6 years! Ano ka ba?!??!?! It’s not engine change, its BRAIN CHANGE!!! Not by one person, but by 100 million Filipinos! That’s what it takes to do an overhaul.

Track record? Anong track record ba itong ipinagmamalaki, paki-share naman please. 30 years sa pwesto and Davao just happens to have been blessed with a great location in the heart of Mindanao. Opportunities naturally abound. I agree with TSP, Davao is comparable to Makati in terms of political families holding on to power for decades and decades.. more importantly, both their fortunes were mostly obtained from their advantageous locations – Makati being the central financial/business hub in Luzon and Davao in Mindanao. But where is Davao now?

Please cite numbers on that “track record”.  Because the data I have are: in 2009 (per PMT blog), Davao is #5 nationwide in terms of Total Revenues, ahead of Cebu by almost 200 million php. But based on 2014 COA data, in terms of total equities, Zamboanga city has P10.46B, Cebu has P7.855B, Davao City is not in the top 10.

Peace and order is just one of the many facets of leadership and governance. kung 10 facets equally divided, he gets 10%. all other facets, success din dahil wala ng criminals? Foreign investments, foreign relations, job security, human development, economic stability, sustainable and inclusive growth, atbp... Really, all that will follow basta walang drug adik? I mean, REALLY.

Track record? How long did it take Dick Gordon to turn Subic around after the bases were closed down and how fast did Olongapo recover from the Pinatubo ashfall? I’m quite certain it didn’t take him 10 years to do both. In the latest World Mayors candidates, only the mayor from Iloilo is in the shortlist (google nyo mayor jed mabilog), duterte is in the long list, together with abalos I think..

And the warning, don’t vote for me if you don’t want change? Whuttt? Its so cheesy, OMG! Reminiscent of Mandy Moore’s line in A Walk To Remember – I’m warning you, promise me you won’t fall in love with me. Waaaaaahhhhh goosebumps!!

I am not bashing, i'm stating facts with hard numbers.

From bashers - supporters of Duterte - Dutertards.

With same logic.
 Supporters of Roxas - Martards.
 Supporters of Poe - Poetards.
Supporters of Binay - Binaytards.
Supporters of Mirriam - Santards.

So lahahat ng boboto, Tards!  lol

Pero why Dutertards ang pinaka matunog?
Kasi yan ang mga bashers, back to original hypothesis.

Instead na suportahan at ipush ang taya nilaa, ibash na lang si Duterte. And take note , those bashers really has a misconception of why people support Duterte. After reading these threads, they still dont get it.

Go on callimg Dutertards, and yes Im a proud Dutertard, not your concept of tard.

YOu're starting to sound like Duterte, andaming sinabi, but nothing substantive to raise the level of thinking and conversation.

If any of you remember that time ng sampalan duels tungkol sa Wharton graduate issue ni Mar... Grace Poe called on candidates for more intelligent discussion on things that actually matter. Bigla wala nang masabi si Duterte. Yun lang pala ang kailangan, para matahimik sya. :hihi:

Anyway, sana maglatag tayo ng data na mapag-uusapan ng husto. i got this one from investagrams:

(https://www.investagrams.com/Files/Account/1/Post/User_1_Image_Post_01_30_2016_02_57_30_AM_ad896b62-b0b0-4d6b-8c72-24ca97733399.png)

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Feb 02, 2016, 08:18 PM
Wow... So long, but same cycle of bashing.

http://www.pinoymoneytalk.com/philippines-city-per-capita-income/

https://thetensphilippines.wordpress.com/2015/02/01/top-10-richest-cities-in-the-philippines/

Btw, and your economic chart above, notice the fall and rise of the economy, di nagkakalayo sa global crisis and rebound.... 

Duterte a trapo? He is a trapo, he is a dirty rag that cleans his city. His proper use of funds, doesnot even buy unnecesarry and extraordinary  table cloth.You are right. You just gave trapo a brand new image. Lol

Now, can you tell the readers who you are supporting? ;)

Im sorry but the way I read yourreply, its not convincing. Its bs. Its BaShing... LOL...Well of course  youd sayits not, very simple, dont vote for him...

Its your choice if you dont want to believe he will abolish congress if it becomes a hindrance.



Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Feb 02, 2016, 08:43 PM
More happy reading....

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/davao/local-news/2015/08/17/davao-city-receives-seal-local-governance-425167

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/davao/local-news/2015/05/08/davao-city-still-named-most-child-friendly-406476

http://www.davaocity.gov.ph/dcipc/downloads/DAVAOCITYECONOMICSITUATIONER2014(3)FINAL20140808095032.pdf

http://planetphilippines.com/politics/different-strokes-how-five-legendary-mayors-transformed-their-cities/

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: TulogSaPancitan on Feb 02, 2016, 10:21 PM
^
@bajoyjoy,
thanks for that detailed breakdown. i’m only half (or quarter) interested in the presidency, on who will win and how it will affect us. i just hope duterte will not win coz that is my worst case scenario. others i can tolerate dahil wala rin choice. even that intergalactic representative (nadisqualify na yata).
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Feb 03, 2016, 10:04 AM
Everyone is enttiled to their own opinion.

I pretty sure there are some people who will say anyone but roxas. Roxas being the worst case scenario. Anyone but Poe, poe being the worst case scenario. Etc....

Oh ya, btw, trillanes the vice presidential candidate,  is i think going to be arrested. Arrest warrant issued..Lol... And guess what, because of libe!l against binay corruption. And guess what, he also said Duterte is worse than Binay. Lololol... Barking dog sounds familiar haha...

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Feb 04, 2016, 12:00 PM
More happy reading....

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/davao/local-news/2015/08/17/davao-city-receives-seal-local-governance-425167

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/davao/local-news/2015/05/08/davao-city-still-named-most-child-friendly-406476

sorry that's a local newspaper. try to search manila city local newspapers, makakagawa ka ng album na puro praise release kay erap. same case here.

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http://www.davaocity.gov.ph/dcipc/downloads/DAVAOCITYECONOMICSITUATIONER2014(3)FINAL20140808095032.pdf

what's our point of comparison? do you have data on previous performance of davao city compared to 2014, and then versus other 1st class cities?

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http://planetphilippines.com/politics/different-strokes-how-five-legendary-mayors-transformed-their-cities/

blog?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Feb 04, 2016, 12:11 PM
Wow... So long, but same cycle of bashing.

Lol. long or short, if you have counter-arguments on each point, then you're welcome to post them.

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http://www.pinoymoneytalk.com/philippines-city-per-capita-income/
yes this was the blog i was referring to where Davao was ahead of Cebu. this is 2009 data, analyzed in 2012.

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Btw, and your economic chart above, notice the fall and rise of the economy, di nagkakalayo sa global crisis and rebound.... 
that's almost 50 years worth of data. if you want to treat the spikes of plunges as outliers, then go by the average.

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Duterte a trapo? He is a trapo, he is a dirty rag that cleans his city. His proper use of funds, doesnot even buy unnecesarry and extraordinary  table cloth.You are right. You just gave trapo a brand new image. Lol
yes he is trapo, based on the lofty promises that dont even make sense in the REAL WORLD.

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Now, can you tell the readers who you are supporting? ;)
TEAM NO BIO NO BOTO ako e. But if i could vote, least evil for me is MAR. what's the thing most hated about him? Mayabang. Lol.

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Its your choice if you dont want to believe he will abolish congress if it becomes a hindrance.
sorry this is not about BELIEVING, its about KNOWING AND UNDERSTANDING THE CONSTITUTIONAL AND LEGAL PROCESSES involved in "abolishing congress". I can always BELIEVE water can turn into wine, but that will NEVER ALTER THE REALITY of the fermentation process.
 
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Feb 04, 2016, 12:21 PM
  TEAM NO BIO NO BOTO ako e. But if i could vote, least evil for me is MAR. what's the thing most hated about him? Mayabang. Lol.
 

^I'm sorry but have'nt you forgotten?

MAR was the DOTC secretary when the MRT Maintenance scam contract was "HATCHED" by his LP lieutenants based in Pangasinan.

VITANGCOL was a senior SENATE STAFF of MAR when he was in Congress.

CZECH ambassador CRIES Corruption when he had a dinner with Vitangcol and during the "tongpats" negotiation, Vitangcol "talked to the phone" to someone higher than him.

pABAYA signed the contract 2 days after MAR left DOTC.  Pwedeng may dahilan si pABAYA na hindi dapat siya kasama sa kaso sa Ombudsman kasi kauupo lang niya ng pirmahan ang kontrata (executive ministerial duty).

May serious corruption issue rin si MAR sa aking paningin.

BTW, Liberal Party is headed by MAR.  The former chief of customs was SACKED and replaced by BERT LINA because he refused to RAISED PARTY FUNDS (3 Billion pesos). 

So malinis ba talaga yang si MAR?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Wills on Feb 04, 2016, 02:49 PM
Mar Roxas? My golly!

This guy proves himself clearly on yollanda typhoon. If we will compare Roxas and Duterte the results of their actions and performance handling a difficult problem we will have a clear winner its Duterte.

But sadly people does not look at result alone they prefer to focus on small stuffs like how he wears clothes and how he talk.

I look at Roxas as walang puso based on his actions especially in yollanda.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Feb 04, 2016, 05:55 PM
^I'm sorry but have'nt you forgotten?

MAR was the DOTC secretary when the MRT Maintenance scam contract was "HATCHED" by his LP lieutenants based in Pangasinan.

VITANGCOL was a senior SENATE STAFF of MAR when he was in Congress.

CZECH ambassador CRIES Corruption when he had a dinner with Vitangcol and during the "tongpats" negotiation, Vitangcol "talked to the phone" to someone higher than him.

pABAYA signed the contract 2 days after MAR left DOTC.  Pwedeng may dahilan si pABAYA na hindi dapat siya kasama sa kaso sa Ombudsman kasi kauupo lang niya ng pirmahan ang kontrata (executive ministerial duty).

May serious corruption issue rin si MAR sa aking paningin.

BTW, Liberal Party is headed by MAR.  The former chief of customs was SACKED and replaced by BERT LINA because he refused to RAISED PARTY FUNDS (3 Billion pesos). 

So malinis ba talaga yang si MAR?

let's have more posts like this, please. very enlightening, and issues-based.

what happened to the "hatched" contract? did it proceed? i really have no clue.

abaya, i have long ranted about this useless guy. is mar and abaya the same person? or mar and vitangcol? the sin of the deputy is the sin of the dept head?

We are aware how mar looked like a complete idiot when he was left out of the loop during the SAF44 secret mission. what does this mean to you?

I never said he is perfect, or even best candidate. I said LEAST EVIL.



Mar Roxas? My golly!

This guy proves himself clearly on yollanda typhoon. If we will compare Roxas and Duterte the results of their actions and performance handling a difficult problem we will have a clear winner its Duterte.

But sadly people does not look at result alone they prefer to focus on small stuffs like how he wears clothes and how he talk.

I look at Roxas as walang puso based on his actions especially in yollanda.

based on what exactly? the "leaked" video where he said romualdez ka, aquino si pnoy? so why did romualdez apologized later on and then recognized all the help they were given during yolanda?

all that^, again, in my opinion, are bi-products of POOR PR.


Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Wills on Feb 05, 2016, 12:11 AM
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based on what exactly? the "leaked" video where he said romualdez ka, aquino si pnoy? so why did romualdez apologized later on and then recognized all the help they were given during yolanda?

all that^, again, in my opinion, are bi-products of POOR PR.

It doesn't matter whether Romualdez thanked them or recognised their help or even if he praised them the fact that during this time were many are displaced from their home, many are killed and the whole city is literally wiped out this guy Mar Roxas was very clear with his priorities which is to protect the name of his boss and its political future.

It was very clear from that video that he doesn't care about his fellow countrymen. Walang puso ang taong ganito, where is the malasakit sa kapwa pilipino? Looks like the CNN reporter is more concern with our people!

I'm not hypocrite I understand we all have interests to protect everyone has it and its normal but Mar Roxas in that video showed us his true priority which is their political interest instead of helping the people in need first!

You're argument bajoyjoy is BS! Who cares if Romualdez acknowledge his help? Or apologised to them? Does that mean Mar Roxas did nothing wrong because the mayor apologised? the whole point here is Mar Roxas showed us how he thinks and act in a difficult situation. nagkakamatayan na at may nawawalang anak at magulang ang mga kababayan natin ngawa niya pang unang isipin ang future niya at ni Aquino? My God bajoyjoy! LEAST EVIL yan sayo?

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Feb 05, 2016, 11:44 AM
^I agreed with wills.

Marami akong taga leyte nakausap.  libo-libo ang patay na nakakalat sa paligiran.

Huli na sana ang pulitika sa ganitong sitwasyon pero pulitika ang inuna ni MARtrains.  Hindi makatao ang ganitong istilo na liderato.

Araw-araw mahigit kalahating milyon na tao ang naaabala dahil sa pABAYA na MRT at LRT

Simpleng plaka at lisensya sa LTO hindi maibigay ng mabilis at maayos. (Nagsimula ito sa panunungkulan ni MAR).

Mahigit 1 bilyon ginasta sa NAIA 1 pero wala kang masyadong Makita na nagbago.

Mga toilets sa lahat ng airport sa Pilipinas ay hindi makumpuni kasi gusto nila 'centralized' ang pagbigay ng kontrata kahit na nakakakalat sa buong Pilipinas ang mga paliparan.

Lahat yan ay nasa pamumuno ni MAR sa DOTC.

Nang lumipat siya sa DILG.  Nahigitan ba niya ang mga nagawa ni Lobredo?  Namigay ng mga fire trucks pero may kapalit na pulitika.

Sayang si MAR --- halimbawa ng isang mabahong trapo.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jmces on Feb 05, 2016, 02:34 PM
regarding Mar, my friend unfortunately was on the same hotel where Mar Roxas along with other officials are staying after the Yolanda tragedy. My friend told me almost the whole hotel were occupied by government officials except a few rooms including his since he booked months before.We know that people are dying outside, people have nothing to eat, guess what is happening inside. My friend said Mar Roxas et al are having buffet meals while chaos is happening outside.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: apingdaldal on Feb 05, 2016, 06:41 PM


Nang lumipat siya sa DILG.  Nahigitan ba niya ang mga nagawa ni Lobredo?  Namigay ng mga fire trucks pero may kapalit na pulitika.

Sayang si MAR --- halimbawa ng isang mabahong trapo.

The Rosenbauer fire trucks are purchased during Jesse Robredo's tenure.  It's just the fire trucks were delivered when Mar took DILG post (after Robredo's death).

So yeah... do not credit those Fire Trucks as Mar's achievement as well.

And yeah Mar is classic trapo.  People who will vote for Mar are those telenovelic masang Pilipino who are kaput, brain deficient, mis-informed, and gullible as mules.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: freefront on Feb 17, 2016, 10:41 AM
The notion of LEAST EVIL


Duterte showing too much love for Pampanga supporters?

Go read and see the photos at Rappler.

Duterte on the campaign trail starts kissing women. Which do you consider least evil?

A) A buss on the cheeks

B) A smack on the lips

C) A kiss with a little tongue involved

or, if you are a budding candidate for DOMhood:

Which do you consider least evil? Thank God and Thor and Zeus it wasn't your

A) 16 year old daughter

B) Your girlfriend

C) Your wife and the mother of your children

D) Your Grandma

There's no need to extrapolate and defend your answers. This is not the bar exams.

G'day  :hello:




Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Feb 17, 2016, 12:59 PM
Not Santiago, unstable personality.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Feb 17, 2016, 01:04 PM
I can't believe that there are still people who believe that our economy is doing good because of Noy-Mar!

It looks more like RP is doing good inspite of them, altho I wouldn't go that far.
However since the  US & Japan are getting their way with them, prop up is the order of the day. Same with the local big businesses.
Another reason for the hosanna choruses is they know how vindictive these guys can be.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Feb 17, 2016, 01:06 PM
INCOMPETENCE is as costly as corruption, if not worse.
It is easier to fight corruption then incompetence.
Meron guilt trip and desire to leave a legacy.
Incompetence has only itself.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Feb 17, 2016, 05:57 PM
Nakabase sa susunod na president kung sino ang mga pamilyang yayaman dahil sa PPP
Ayala kaya? Concepcion? MPI?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: DreamWalker on Feb 17, 2016, 07:17 PM

I can't believe that there are still people who believe that our economy is doing good "before" of Noy-Mar!


because ba ung before, kung because just a question if ever nabaliktad ang sitwasyon at hindi naging maganda ang economy natin kanino mo naman isisisi?

dapat pala huwag na maghalal ng president kasi gastos lang ng suweldo yan, gaganda naman pala economy kahit wala sila

http://www.philstar.com/business/2016/01/23/1545255/philippines-gets-another-rating-upgrade

http://www.philstar.com/business/2016/01/23/1545257/philippines-likely-grew-5.9-q4-moodys

http://manilastandardtoday.com/business/198334/ing-bank-expects-ph-to-expand-6-2-.html

http://manilastandardtoday.com/business/199591/ph-starts-marketing-25-year-dollar-bonds.html

http://manilastandardtoday.com/business/198347/ph-economic-freedom-ranking-rises-to-70th-spot.html

http://manilastandardtoday.com/business/198246/ph-is-credit-positive-moody-s.html

http://manilastandardtoday.com/business/198165/inflation-to-remain-stable-in-two-years.html

http://www.philstar.com/business/2016/01/30/1547648/5-year-average-growth-best-1970s-philippines-primed-inclusive-growth

http://www.philstar.com/business/2016/01/23/1545258/more-foreign-banks-coming-says-fitch

http://www.philstar.com/business/2016/01/18/1543570/czech-republic-support-philippine-bid-eu-fta

http://www.philstar.com/business/2016/01/17/1543339/fastest-asia-pacific-maybank-kim-eng-sees-philippine-gdp-7
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: DreamWalker on Feb 17, 2016, 11:21 PM
Nakabase sa susunod na president kung sino ang mga pamilyang yayaman dahil sa PPP
Ayala kaya? Concepcion? MPI?


ang alam ko bidding ang makakakuha ng projects hindi naman assigned ng president, saka kung mas madaming PPP ibig sabihin mas madaming infrastructure diba yun naman ang gusto ng pilipino. Me mga infrastructure na nga hinahanapan pa din natin ng kahulugan.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Feb 18, 2016, 07:37 AM
Hindi naman sa hinahanapan ng kahulugan, meron rin naman kasing inaabangan kung ano ang magiging priority ng susunod na presidente, at kung kanino maa-award ang mga infra. Yung iba kasi batayan to sa pagpili ng stocks. In addition, yayaman naman talaga ang pamilya na mapipili sa bidding na to, syempre panibagong kita nya.
Naniniwala ka ba na purely fair ang bidding?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Feb 18, 2016, 08:52 AM
@jenofstructures,  I agree with your view.  Kung sino ang Presidente, may malakas na negosyante na nakukuha ang mga pet projects ng gobyerno. 

PNOY -  mga Ayalas at San Miguel's Cojuangco

GMA - Aboitizes at Razon

FVR - Sobrepena

Cory - Lopezes

MAR - eto medyo 'dark pool' kasi "illegal" mining giants (Gutierrezes & Erices).  small scale daw pero large scale operation.  mga eroplano may tax exemption lalo na sa mining tax.  Magkano kaya binayad nila sa BIR ? 
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Feb 18, 2016, 11:18 PM
@Dream walker
Erratum:
"... BECAUSE" dapat yun not  "before"

Sorry. Typo laang
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Feb 18, 2016, 11:29 PM
MAR may or may not be the LEAST EVIL.
IMO, he is definitely the LEAST QUALIFIED.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: DreamWalker on Feb 19, 2016, 12:27 AM
@Dream walker
Erratum:
"... BECAUSE" dapat yun not  "before"

Sorry. Typo laang

i know its typo error, so back to my question kanino mo isisisi kung halimbawa hindi maganda ang economy ngayon?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: DreamWalker on Feb 19, 2016, 12:43 AM
Hindi naman sa hinahanapan ng kahulugan, meron rin naman kasing inaabangan kung ano ang magiging priority ng susunod na presidente, at kung kanino maa-award ang mga infra. Yung iba kasi batayan to sa pagpili ng stocks. In addition, yayaman naman talaga ang pamilya na mapipili sa bidding na to, syempre panibagong kita nya.
Naniniwala ka ba na purely fair ang bidding?

kahit saang parte ng mundo walang fair na bidding lalo na sa malalaking bidding, kanya kangyang impluwensiya yan at pagla lobby. Siguro pag walang PPP ang sasabihin niyo kulang tayo sa mga infrastructures.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Feb 19, 2016, 07:51 AM
Kulang pa. Pero hidni naman dapat isisi sa presidente ngayon kung kulang pa. Mahirap gawin yan lahat sa loob ng anim na taon. Ang mahalaga may ginagawa para mapunuan ang pangangailangang yan.
Sa tingin ko marami pang pwedeng infra na maaari pang gawin sa Pinas. Kung gusto ng pamahalaan natin na maiangat ang turismo at agrikultura natin, importante na maiangat natin ang sistema sa transportasyon.
 
Wala talagang fair bidding, dahil mahirap manalo ng malalaking project dito sa Pinas ng walang SOP.  Now going back sa sinabi ko tungkol sa nakadepende naman talaga sa susunod na presidente, dahil may kanya kanya silang priority. At di naman nila ikakaila yun dahil sabihin nila yan sa paglalahad ng kanilang plataporma kapag nanliligaw na sila sa mga botante. Ang pinagbatayan ko nito ay katulad din nang sinabi ni Bauer, sa tingin ko, sa ngayon mas dominante ang mga Ayala, at kay Gloria ang mga Aboitiz.

Siguro mali lang ako ng tanong ko, ang dapat pala kung sino kaya ang susunod na dominante base sa susunod na pangulo. 

Malay natin kapag kay Poe, mas malakas ang Ongpauco,
kay Mar ang mga Cojuangco,
Miriam - MPI,
Binay - construction friends (lalo na yung gumawa ng parking at city hall),
at kay Duterte - Lahat ng business tungkol sa paggawa ng ataul at funerary service.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Feb 19, 2016, 01:05 PM
^ Poe - "secret" Cojuangco & Ongpin (Escudero supporter) ?

Duterte - "another secret" Cojuangco & Zamoras (Cayetano supporter)?

Mar - Gutierrez & Erice (S & R Mining fame - small miner kuno pero milyun-milyun tonelada mina) + Customs (3B quota)

Binay - Makati bounty + MVP (kaya maganda result ng SWS survey)
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: george88 on Feb 19, 2016, 06:49 PM
Duterte might be supported by MVP since he got an offer of bankroll from a businessman who involved in Telco and TV network. Someone who wanted to tap Mindanao
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Feb 20, 2016, 01:09 PM
MAR may or may not be the LEAST EVIL.
IMO, he is definitely the LEAST QUALIFIED.


Anooo?? Saan naman galing yan kuro kuro mo? umayos ka nga, saang engkantada ka ba nakatira wala ka na yata sa totoong mundo. Isipin mo ang sinasabi mo, nakakapagod na magpaliwanag..
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: freefront on Feb 21, 2016, 08:41 AM
LEAST QUALIFIED to be included in the LEAST EVIL contest:  POE  :hihi:

Para syang Saudi na may grand claim of being Chaste and morally upright in terms of kamanyakan, in thought and in deed,  pero nakabalot naman mula ulo hanggang paa sa black cloth ang mga babae, at hindi sila nagmamaneho . Dinagdag ko yung driving kasi ang mga guys, kayang lumikha ng very colorful foul language pag naka-encounter ng bad driver na akala mo gurls lang ang may gawa nyun  :D

Sali lang sa Least evil contestants lang may mga track record. Kalkalin nyo na rin publications ng human rights group.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Feb 21, 2016, 11:47 AM
LEAST QUALIFIED to be included in the LEAST EVIL contest:  POE  :hihi:

Ay ambilis talaga maka-gets ni ateng ff! Ang qualification hindi base sa IMO, nakaukit sa batas yan. At kung ang pagkapangulo ang pinag-uusapan, hindi lang batas, kundi Saligang Batas ang nagdidikta. Hindi porket pusong Pilipino qualified na. Ang sabi natural-born citizen, ibig sabihin wala kang kailangang gawin (o wala kang prosesong pinagdaanan) para makuha ang Pagka-Pilipino. So hindi lang feeling Pilipino sa puso at isip, kundi Pilipino din sa papel (official documents like birth cert, passport, adoption papers, etc) dahil yan ang mga ebidensya ng pagka-Pilipino.

Ewan ko ba naman at sinong nag-aadvise kay Poe at twing iniinterbyu ang bukambibig ay Pilipino sya sa puso, lalong pinalalakas ang duda na sila mismo alam nilang hindi sya Pilipino sa papel. Kung Pilipino sa puso rin lang kasi ang basehan e di dapat qualified na rin tumakbong Pangulo mga naturalized basketball players like Andre Blatche and Marcus Douthit, Pilipinas PUSO ang sigaw ng mga yan hindi ba?  :hihi: :harhar:

anyway @ff, mukhang lumalalim ang disgusto mo kay GP? side story lang, d'you know at least 4 friends (all lawyers), at separate and different occasions, all pointed out to me na hawig ko daw si GP! One actually texted me about 2 yrs ago, hatinggabi, para lang maibulalas sa akin ang realization nya... que horror!  :hihi:

eniwey.... Pero parang may backdoor deals na nangyayari at parang luma-llamado si Llamansares sa survey... nagpunta na sa bday party ni pnoy, kukunin pa nya raw na adviser for anti-corruption si pnoy pag nagwagi...  :-* kaya ba suportado si GP ng OSG, at COMELEC sa mga DQ cases nya?

btw, reminder lng, PILIpinas presidential debate is on this afternoon...  kung walang ginagawa, nood na lang at nang makilatis ng mabuti mga ito..
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: freefront on Feb 21, 2016, 08:54 PM
^ the overly dramatic- I filed another  birth certificate with false information- DNA testing for anybody but Rosemarie Sonora - Fookien speaking- Susan Roces also gives me the night terrors   :D

That camp gets more creepy everyday.....
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Feb 21, 2016, 10:07 PM
IMO,
Kung pagmumura at pambabae ang criteria , least qualified si Duterte.

Kung citizenship ang pinaguusapan, least qualified si Poe.

Kung health ang pinag uusapan, least qualuified si Mirriam

Kung corruption or non-corruption (you get the groove) ang pinag uusapan, least qualified si Binay.

Kung performance ang pinagusapan, least qualified si Roxas

Sa kulelat perfomance, I was choosing between Poe and Roxas. For me, its Roxas. Read previous threads. Roxas has no capacity. nada, specially in the executive branch. Ill give him credit authoring laws. but implementation wise, kulelat.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Feb 22, 2016, 07:53 AM
Gusto ko na maniwala don sa claim na mining is a thing kapag si Mar ang maging president. Pinakita yung investment portfolio nya at puro mining ata yung nabasa ko.
E di ba opposed si PNoy sa mining?
Magkaiba atang pangalan ng daang matuwid ang pinangangalandakan ng dalawang to.

Sobra akong naentertain ng debate, lalo na sa pamumulitika ni Roxas. Para pala syang Spurs.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Feb 22, 2016, 12:30 PM
IMO,
Kung pagmumura at pambabae ang criteria , least qualified si Duterte.

Kung citizenship ang pinaguusapan, least qualified si Poe.

Kung health ang pinag uusapan, least qualuified si Mirriam

Kung corruption or non-corruption (you get the groove) ang pinag uusapan, least qualified si Binay.

Kung performance ang pinagusapan, least qualified si Roxas

Sa kulelat perfomance, I was choosing between Poe and Roxas. For me, its Roxas. Read previous threads. Roxas has no capacity. nada, specially in the executive branch. Ill give him credit authoring laws. but implementation wise, kulelat.

well do yourself a favor at magbasa ka ng Constitution para malaman mong hindi yan ang mga qualification to run for president, but yung ka grace poe tama ka. yung minimum qual na nga lang ang pinag-uusapan...

Gusto ko na maniwala don sa claim na mining is a thing kapag si Mar ang maging president. Pinakita yung investment portfolio nya at puro mining ata yung nabasa ko.
E di ba opposed si PNoy sa mining?
Magkaiba atang pangalan ng daang matuwid ang pinangangalandakan ng dalawang to.

Sobra akong naentertain ng debate, lalo na sa pamumulitika ni Roxas. Para pala syang Spurs.

i didnt get to watch the whole thing, simula at dulo lang.. kung naentertain ka, then that does NOT BODE WELL for the citizens. as said by miriam, this is not a personality contest, its not for entertainment. But hopefully it gets better in the next round of debate... actually prang wala namang debate na nangyari, ang cordial nila sa isat isa..


Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Feb 22, 2016, 01:19 PM
^ the overly dramatic- I filed another  birth certificate with false information- DNA testing for anybody but Rosemarie Sonora - Fookien speaking- Susan Roces also gives me the night terrors   :D

That camp gets more creepy everyday.....

totoo nga ba kasi ung rosemarie sonora angle? Bakit hindi i-DNA to settle the issue once and for all kung confident naman sila na hindi totoo. and yet, bongbong keeps on referring to GP as his "sister".

but i must say, GP came prepared yesterday. kahit puro mother statements and promises in the sky, at least pinaghandaan yung event hindi basta na lang nag-show up dun gaya ni binay na mukhang ewan.

Rappler polls: Duterte consistent winner, Binay consistent loser (http://www.rappler.com/nation/politics/elections/2016/123227-presidential-debate-cagayan-de-oro-poll-winners)
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Feb 22, 2016, 03:08 PM
sa ngayon lang naman ang pagpipigil, mas iinit pa yan habang lumalapit ang eleksyon. 
Mas naentertain ako sa matatamis na sagutan nila kesa nalaman ko ang plataporma. Si Miriam lang talaga ang tumama, saan nila kukunin ang mas mataas pa sa langit na pangako nila
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Feb 22, 2016, 04:37 PM
sa ngayon lang naman ang pagpipigil, mas iinit pa yan habang lumalapit ang eleksyon. 
Mas naentertain ako sa matatamis na sagutan nila kesa nalaman ko ang plataporma. Si Miriam lang talaga ang tumama, saan nila kukunin ang mas mataas pa sa langit na pangako nila


oo nga puro drawing lang kakalabasan nyan kung walang pondong magagamit.  pero si miriam parang wala na wisyo mga sagot,unlike before na intense bwat salitang lumalabas sa knya.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Feb 22, 2016, 05:35 PM
well do yourself a favor at magbasa ka ng Constitution para malaman mong hindi yan ang mga qualification to run for president, but yung ka grace poe tama ka. yung minimum qual na nga lang ang pinag-uusapan...


Do yourself a favor too, least qualified does not mean not qualified per se..And im not just pertaining to constitutional standards, i have my personal standards on who is qualified or not.... Gets?

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: george88 on Feb 22, 2016, 09:12 PM
Do not fight because of those presidentiables just observe, weigh in then decide on May because at the end of the day they are just a drivers of this country and they cant see you when you're just passengers at the lower deck of the ship. We are still the one who will manage our lives even we might had the great President but if people dont change nothing will change. So change ourselves, influence your family, relatives and friends then it might be few years from now we had a better country!
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Feb 23, 2016, 07:16 AM
oo nga puro drawing lang kakalabasan nyan kung walang pondong magagamit.  pero si miriam parang wala na wisyo mga sagot,unlike before na intense bwat salitang lumalabas sa knya.
Hindi na rin sya gaanong alert. Narinig ko na tinawag nyang vice mayor si Binay.
Hinihingal na rin sya, ayaw nya amininin pero totoo na atang ginugupo na sya ng lung cancer. Kailangan na nyang umupo, alalayan ni Duterte papunta sa harap at pagbaba ng stage. Malaki mawawala sa senado kung sakali mang mawala si MDS
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jmces on Feb 23, 2016, 08:35 AM
We are still the one who will manage our lives even we might had the great President but if people dont change nothing will change. So change ourselves, influence your family, relatives and friends then it might be few years from now we had a better country!

 :cool2:
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Feb 23, 2016, 09:21 AM
Hindi na rin sya gaanong alert. Narinig ko na tinawag nyang vice mayor si Binay.
Hinihingal na rin sya, ayaw nya amininin pero totoo na atang ginugupo na sya ng lung cancer. Kailangan na nyang umupo, alalayan ni Duterte papunta sa harap at pagbaba ng stage. Malaki mawawala sa senado kung sakali mang mawala si MDS
I agree, she was far from the MDS we’ve always known, fiery, feisty and fluent. Kahit weird sya and gets over the top with her reactions and statements, we’re always assured she’s independent minded, which not a lot of lawmakers are capable of. Sana magpa-galing na lang sya or write a book, instead of sacrificing her health for this presidential race.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: TulogSaPancitan on Feb 23, 2016, 08:52 PM
I agree, she was far from the MDS we’ve always known, fiery, feisty and fluent. Kahit weird sya and gets over the top with her reactions and statements, we’re always assured she’s independent minded, which not a lot of lawmakers are capable of. Sana magpa-galing na lang sya or write a book, instead of sacrificing her health for this presidential race.

running for president is perhaps her dying wish. if she happens to win and die a week later we’re screwed.

just let her run but don’t vote for her. 70+ yrs old and cancer is almost always sure death given her job. i wish she didn’t run baka mas hahaba pa ng konti buhay nya.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Feb 28, 2016, 09:14 AM
Do yourself a favor too, least qualified does not mean not qualified per se..And im not just pertaining to constitutional standards, i have my personal standards on who is qualified or not.... Gets?

Ah kung personal standards ang sinasabi mo, thats PREFERENCE not qualifications.

Like, ang GUSTO ko ang susunod na presidente BABAE.

Preference or Qualification?

Ang susunod na presidente DAPAT nakaranas ng buhay sa PIlipinas sa huling 10 taon.

Preference or Qualification?

mas isyu sayo na nagmumura si Duterte kesa ang katotohanan na pumapatay sya ng hindi dumadaan sa proseso? Gets or forgets? :hihi:
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Feb 28, 2016, 12:58 PM
Ah kung personal standards ang sinasabi mo, thats PREFERENCE not qualifications.

Like, ang GUSTO ko ang susunod na presidente BABAE.

Preference or Qualification?

Ang susunod na presidente DAPAT nakaranas ng buhay sa PIlipinas sa huling 10 taon.

Preference or Qualification?

mas isyu sayo na nagmumura si Duterte kesa ang katotohanan na pumapatay sya ng hindi dumadaan sa proseso? Gets or forgets? :hihi:

Yun din yun. Palibhasa ang qualification mo is matuwad na daan, este personal preference mo pala. Lol

Paikut ikutin mo pa... Kesyo least preference ko, kesyo least qualified para sa akin, eh yun bulok na performance. Even worse wala, nada performance. And thats Roxas.

Ah talaga? File ka kaya ng kaso? Di ba sabi nga ni TSP yabang lang yan si Duterte? Lol...
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Feb 29, 2016, 07:48 AM
OT lang, bilib ako sa bilis ng response ng  polls sa America. Alam agad na panalo si Clinton vs. Sanders (sa Party nila) within minutes. Higit pa don, ang bilis nakuha ng CNN ang demographics ng voters at kung ano ang mas gusto nila.
Kung meron tayong ganyan sa Pilipinas mabilis na makikita ng mga tumatakbo kung ano ang dapat nilang baguhin sa pangangampanya nila. Kung anong demo sila mas malakas at kung ano ang demo na dapat nilang mas matutukan.

Hindi yung asa sa surveys na hidni mo alam kung talagang totoong survey
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Feb 29, 2016, 08:49 AM
Yun din yun. Palibhasa ang qualification mo is matuwad na daan, este personal preference mo pala. Lol

Paikut ikutin mo pa... Kesyo least preference ko, kesyo least qualified para sa akin, eh yun bulok na performance. Even worse wala, nada performance. And thats Roxas.

Ah talaga? File ka kaya ng kaso? Di ba sabi nga ni TSP yabang lang yan si Duterte? Lol...

wow, you are losing it, dude. and its still 3 months before the elections.

yun din yun <--- kaya leche leche ang buhay sa pinas kasi di kayo nagdidistinguish sa gusto nyo sa kung anong dapat. imbes na sagutin mo ang tanong para maunawaan ng lahat, Talak pa more ka pa. BASTOS.

Preference is different from qualification. kahit simpleng opisina na naghahanap ng secretary, hindi porket gusto ng HR ung aplikanteng seksi, kung hindi marunong mag MS Word, qualified ba?

Ang pinagkaiba, ang qualification ng opisina mga may-ari ang naglatag, pero dapat ayon pa rin sa Labor Code. Ang aplikante sa pangulo, constitution ang naglatag. mahirap bang intindihin yon?

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Feb 29, 2016, 11:56 AM
wow, you are losing it, dude. and its still 3 months before the elections.

yun din yun <--- kaya leche leche ang buhay sa pinas kasi di kayo nagdidistinguish sa gusto nyo sa kung anong dapat. imbes na sagutin mo ang tanong para maunawaan ng lahat, Talak pa more ka pa. BASTOS.

Preference is different from qualification. kahit simpleng opisina na naghahanap ng secretary, hindi porket gusto ng HR ung aplikanteng seksi, kung hindi marunong mag MS Word, qualified ba?

Ang pinagkaiba, ang qualification ng opisina mga may-ari ang naglatag, pero dapat ayon pa rin sa Labor Code. Ang aplikante sa pangulo, constitution ang naglatag. mahirap bang intindihin yon?

My dear, you still dont get it, i have my personal standards on whos qualified, after your so called constitutional qualification.

Ifyou want to use the word preference, i dont mind. Its up to you...

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/qualification
: a special skill or type of experience or knowledge that makes someone suitable to do a particular job or activity

Ayan, for me , and again, roxas is the least qualified when we are talking about performance.

But if you want to say that ishould say Roxas is my least preferred candidate when we talk about performance, sure, why not....

Whichever, roxas for me is not fitted to be a president. Or at the very least, the least fitted among the presidentiables  when we are talking about performance.

O, ayan, baka i argue mo pa naman yun word na fitting ha! Lol
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: freefront on Feb 29, 2016, 03:11 PM
^ We will read you and remember to stick to personal preference then, according to your standards on who is least and most qualified. Because when I follow this

fit

fitted

fitting

^that would take out anybody above 65, ill or with physical medical condition ( mental condition goes all kinds of crazy let's not go there) and the one that flip-flops on her allegiance to her country. My POV.



Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Feb 29, 2016, 04:51 PM
^yep! By all means ü

And again, after filtering the candidates with constitutional qualifications, i filter base on my personal qualifications/ preference.

And what an irony it will be when Poe is allowed to run. Then she is constituionally qualified. BUT, if you are convicted with your personal qualification/preference, then dont vote for her...
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Feb 29, 2016, 05:10 PM
My dear, you still dont get it, i have my personal standards on whos qualified, after your so called constitutional qualification.

Ifyou want to use the word preference, i dont mind. Its up to you...

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/qualification
: a special skill or type of experience or knowledge that makes someone suitable to do a particular job or activity

Ayan, for me , and again, roxas is the least qualified when we are talking about performance.

But if you want to say that ishould say Roxas is my least preferred candidate when we talk about performance, sure, why not....

Whichever, roxas for me is not fitted to be a president. Or at the very least, the least fitted among the presidentiables  when we are talking about performance.

O, ayan, baka i argue mo pa naman yun word na fitting ha! Lol

That’s not even my point GS. What I’m driving at is, mrami sa atin hindi pinaghihiwalay ang personalidad at ang kakayahan ng mga kandidato, at hindi rin natin nililinaw sa mga isipan natin ano dapat ang basehan mga desisyon natin sa pagboto. Again, you can’t separate PERSONALITY-BASED DISCUSSION FROM ISSUE-BASED DISCUSSION.

And its funny how you attribute Roxas to me, when i already said he's not the best candidate, and i already said HINDI AKO MAKAKABOTO. So why would you even bring up Roxas  -- na hindi ko minemention since the last time i answered he's the least evil.

NAPAKABABA ng qualification ng president kaysa sa mga actual na estado ng mga kandidatong tumatakbo ngayon. Kaya nga umabot ng 100+ ang mga nuisance candidates. Pero kung di pa rin maachieve ang simpleng residence requirement, hindi ba nakaka-awkward na mananalo si GPoe samantalang ung si David kahit kuha naman ang basic qualifications pero walang perang pang-kampanya kaya nadeclare na nuisance?  Pero si GP kasi senadora at ampon ni FPJ ok lang na di nabuo ang 10yr residence requirement?  Jan ko gustong dalhin ang usapin na "least qualified".

I am not even being legalistic. These are small things that slip our minds that we don’t notice, “pareho lang yan”, “yun na din yun”… but that attitude of taking for granted these “tiny details” do spill over into our voting behavior. 

One’s personal preference on which candidate to support or vote for is sacred. Walang dapat sumaklaw jan kahit na sino (maliban siguro sa mga INC, at ang “solid North”—sana naman hindi ka kasama jan ff?!). But let’s also remember, our personal preference is not necessarily the same with what’s best for the country. That’s another point I was trying to insinuate with my earlier posts. Kung mabuting mamamayan ako, dapat willing ako mag-give way para sa ikabubuti ng bansa. My preference for a female president should be subservient to what’s good for the country, not the other way around.



PS
Ang buong akala ko, this PMT discussion is in the interest of educating each other as voters. Para mapag-usapan ng mahinahon at mahusay ang mga isyung related sa pagpili ng president o ano pa mang kandidato, hindi para umastang asong ulol na hindi makasagot ng maayos kaya tatahol na lang ng wala sa lugar (from many different posters). Nakakabastos talaga ung ibang posts, nasasayang ang oras ng mga nagbabasa at lalo para sa mga taong nag-aabala na makapag-bahagi ng impormasyon at opinion na PINAG-ISIPAN.

Anyway, mukhang mali ako ng akala. E di ako na.

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Feb 29, 2016, 06:20 PM
Hindi ko nasundan yung debate sa issue about foundling. If this true, kawawa naman ang lahat nang foundling na hindi na makikita ang magulang. Di pwede patakbuhin sa pamahalaan.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 02, 2016, 11:11 PM
Hindi ko nasundan yung debate sa issue about foundling. If this true, kawawa naman ang lahat nang foundling na hindi na makikita ang magulang. Di pwede patakbuhin sa pamahalaan.


I think she will get affirmative ruling with regard to being natural born. As a foundling she should benefit from the protection of the law and welfare of the child is always favored by the law.

For me mas mahirap malusutan yung residency issue..

OT lang, bilib ako sa bilis ng response ng  polls sa America. Alam agad na panalo si Clinton vs. Sanders (sa Party nila) within minutes. Higit pa don, ang bilis nakuha ng CNN ang demographics ng voters at kung ano ang mas gusto nila.
Kung meron tayong ganyan sa Pilipinas mabilis na makikita ng mga tumatakbo kung ano ang dapat nilang baguhin sa pangangampanya nila. Kung anong demo sila mas malakas at kung ano ang demo na dapat nilang mas matutukan.

Hindi yung asa sa surveys na hidni mo alam kung talagang totoong survey

Ang saya siguro pag nanalo si Trump sa US at si Duterte sa PH. O si Hillary sa US, si Grace sa PH.






Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Mar 03, 2016, 07:44 AM
Carnival ang dating nyan kung si Trump. Although may pinagmamalaki naman syang track record sa pamamalakad nang kumpanya, duda pa rin ako kung kaya nya yun I-convert sa politics. Parang mas paniniwalaan ko pa si Ronald Reagan. Sino kaya gumagawa ng speech nya punung puno ng LOVE e.

Si Clinton gusto ata pabalikin ang BPO industry sa bansa nila. Parang yun ang pinatutunguhan ng mga speech nya. Hahabulin nya yung mga company na lumipat na ng ibang bansa.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Mar 03, 2016, 08:35 AM
Bjj, kaya nga its such an ironykung constitutionally qualified ang maging decision kay Poe. After that, some of us will go to our personal qualifications and insist that she is not qualified and not vote for her. Hope you get my point. Ganun din with other candidates.

Kung baga levels of filtration process lang yan. Constitutional qualification is 1st level filtration. After that, iit will be based on our moral, political, economic stance etc in terms of further filtering of candidates.

Btw, this is the problem i see, with so much candidates running, and according to survey, most are really tight and virtually tied up, we are going tto have a minority president. And thats not good. One disadvantage of multi party system.

Tidbit : some may know already., but do you know that us presidential election is not based on majority votes?  Lets say clinton vs trump. Lets say clinton gets 100 votes and trump gets 80 votes. You think clinton wins? Nopes! They dont count that way. Its based on electoral college of states. I dont know the exact  details but its not based on voters voice per se, the larger the states, the more weight something like that.
And they are the democracy upholders of the world. Lol....
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Mar 03, 2016, 09:42 AM
^^^^ kaya nga nakafocus sila sa mga states na may malaking electoral votes.

Iniisip ko kapag nadisqualify si Poe, e nasa papel na yung pangalan nya. Maaaring may mga hindi makakaalam na disqualified sya the last minute at binoto sya. Maraming masasayang na boto.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Mar 03, 2016, 10:05 AM
Tidbit : some may know already., but do you know that us presidential election is not based on majority votes?  Lets say clinton vs trump. Lets say clinton gets 100 votes and trump gets 80 votes. You think clinton wins? Nopes! They dont count that way. Its based on electoral college of states. I dont know the exact  details but its not based on voters voice per se, the larger the states, the more weight something like that.
And they are the democracy upholders of the world. Lol....

^ AL GORE VS. GEORGE BUSH proves popular votes lost to electoral college votes (SC thumbs down manual recount in Florida)
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Mar 03, 2016, 10:08 AM
To all Grace Poe supporters,

WHAT IF SC DQ Poe based on residency issue?

A. Choose Binay as second option

B. Choose Duterte as second option

C. Choose Mar as second option

D. Choose Miriam as second option

E. No vote for president but will vote for VP and the rest

F. Will not participate in the coming election

In my case, I might take the E option as of this time.  Unless, a compelling reason to take a second option for the top position.



Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: george88 on Mar 03, 2016, 06:02 PM
Duterte all the way nothing can change my mind
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 04, 2016, 04:52 PM
Hindi ko nasundan yung debate sa issue about foundling. If this true, kawawa naman ang lahat nang foundling na hindi na makikita ang magulang. Di pwede patakbuhin sa pamahalaan.

I believe sa more lower positions pwede.
For certain appointed or civil positions in govt, hindi rin pwede.
Kawawa nga, but whose fault is it?
Di ba yung parents nila?

Now if this is "UNFAIR" then how about those born into poor families?
Or Family of CROOKS and Murderers or Drug Addicts?
UNFAIR is part of reality.
Accept it and JUST MAKE the MOST of WHAT YOU HAVE.
Grace, kasama ka rin.
BTW unfair din pala naging rich ka, dapat pala poor ka lang kung totoo na iniwan ka ng bio parents mo because they're poor.
See, tabla tabla lang.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 04, 2016, 05:25 PM

Tidbit : some may know already., but do you know that us presidential election is not based on majority votes?  Lets say clinton vs trump. Lets say clinton gets 100 votes and trump gets 80 votes. You think clinton wins? Nopes! They dont count that way. Its based on electoral college of states. I dont know the exact  details but its not based on voters voice per se, the larger the states, the more weight something like that.
And they are the democracy upholders of the world. Lol....


Actually that has already happened in real life.
More American voters chose Gore over Bush
But Bush had more electoral votes, so Bush became president.

In a way, it's similar to a Parliamentary election. The members of parliament (US Electoral College) may choose "A" (say, Bush) to be the Prime Minister (US President) no matter if more people want "B" (more voted for Gore) to be the PM.

A simple illustration, say there are 300 voters equally divided into 3 electoral college (EC).
"A" gets EC1 51-49 and EC2 60-40
"B" gets EC3 87-13

Total votes for "A" is 51+60+13=124
Total votes for "B" is 49+40+87=176
"A" still wins.
He got majority in 2 ECs.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 04, 2016, 05:28 PM
^ AL GORE VS. GEORGE BUSH proves popular votes lost to electoral college votes (SC thumbs down manual recount in Florida)

Actually lots of black folks in FLA were disenfranchised (not allowed to vote due to what the Dems called questionable reasons). Those votes might have turned the tide for Gore, he needed only a little more of those Electoral Votes.

Hehhe, pinoy na pinoy ang style ng Bush.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 04, 2016, 05:37 PM
To all Grace Poe supporters,

WHAT IF SC DQ Poe based on residency issue?

A. Choose Binay as second option

B. Choose Duterte as second option

C. Choose Mar as second option

D. Choose Miriam as second option

E. No vote for president but will vote for VP and the rest

F. Will not participate in the coming election

In my case, I might take the E option as of this time.  Unless, a compelling reason to take a second option for the top position.

I was going to say split between A, B & C, but since Grace is pointing at MAR as the instigator of her DQ woes, (whether that is true or not is another matter), i believe most of her supporters will shun Mar even if she were to be DQed now.

That leaves Binay and Duterte. I have to say Binay will benefit more than Duterte. I wonder how many will be like you and choose E

However the ELEPHANT in the room right now is the VCM.
How accurate are these things really?
How honest are the programmings?
COMELEC rules actually require that these counting machines MUST have been used extensively, broadly and reliably in other national elections prior to their being used here, correct?
This simple rule has been set aside for 2016.
WHY?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 04, 2016, 08:00 PM
Bjj, kaya nga its such an ironykung constitutionally qualified ang maging decision kay Poe. After that, some of us will go to our personal qualifications and insist that she is not qualified and not vote for her. Hope you get my point. Ganun din with other candidates.

Kung baga levels of filtration process lang yan. Constitutional qualification is 1st level filtration. After that, iit will be based on our moral, political, economic stance etc in terms of further filtering of candidates.

Finally we agree on something. Consti requirements is first filter. Kung dun pa lang di na nacomply paano pa iaapply ung 2nd filter mo na based on preference-- track record, political dynasty, intellect, morality, gender, ethnicity etc..

Quote

Btw, this is the problem i see, with so much candidates running, and according to survey, most are really tight and virtually tied up, we are going tto have a minority president. And thats not good. One disadvantage of multi party system.

Its long been that way, elected president is not by majority vote na >50%.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Mar 05, 2016, 08:22 AM
^^Ya, been that way, but this eslection seems to be the minority of the minority of all the elections...

Amusing presidential campaign ad (hindi namention sa campaign ad kung sino siya, pero obvious haha):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XkKlqZZhDs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XkKlqZZhDs)
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 06, 2016, 12:16 PM

Tidbit : some may know already., but do you know that us presidential election is not based on majority votes?  Lets say clinton vs trump. Lets say clinton gets 100 votes and trump gets 80 votes. You think clinton wins? Nopes! They dont count that way. Its based on electoral college of states. I dont know the exact  details but its not based on voters voice per se, the larger the states, the more weight something like that.
And they are the democracy upholders of the world. Lol....

It works for them kasi two party system lang sila. Beefore a candidate even gets to that point na pagbobotohan sila ng electoral colleges, dumaan na sila sa mahigpit na QS... dumaan na sila sa madugong labanan sa ibaba, in terms of qualifications, ideals, platforms... ilang debates and caucuses ang nililibot para makakuha ng suporta.

Sa atin, bara bara lang, tumakbo ka muna kahit kulang ka ng requirements, kahit wala kang plataporma. Saka na ayusin detalyeng yan pag ikaw na nangunguna sa survey. Kailangan magtrend ka muna, ska na seryosohin ung responsibilidad.

Waging wagi.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 06, 2016, 01:07 PM
To all Grace Poe supporters,

WHAT IF SC DQ Poe based on residency issue?

A. Choose Binay as second option

B. Choose Duterte as second option

C. Choose Mar as second option

D. Choose Miriam as second option

E. No vote for president but will vote for VP and the rest

F. Will not participate in the coming election

In my case, I might take the E option as of this time.  Unless, a compelling reason to take a second option for the top position.


Pwede rin option to vote whoever GP endorses.

Sayang naman din ang boto at ang pinagpaguran nya kung hindi mapapakinabangan (and if that candidate wins GP can make singil later on).

I hope those GP supporters na magiging undecided, would do some serious soul-searching. Not just to weigh what they LIKE about the other candidates, but also what they DONT LIKE. Kung yung inaayawan o kinaaasaran nila tungkol sa ibang kandidato e talagang konektado sa kahusayan at kakayahang mamuno. Magbase sana sila sa character hindi personality, sa paninindigan hindi sa slogan.


Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: george88 on Mar 06, 2016, 02:38 PM
Babae na naman magiging presidente? Psshhh
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 07, 2016, 01:38 PM
another "survey"...

Poe, Duterte, Binay, statistically tied for top spot
view-source:http://www.rappler.com/nation/politics/elections/2016/124904-laylo-survey-poe-duterte-binay-statistically-tied (http://www.rappler.com/nation/politics/elections/2016/124904-laylo-survey-poe-duterte-binay-statistically-tied)

note the heading of the graph: voter "PREFERENCE"

(http://assets.rappler.com/612F469A6EA84F6BAE882D2B94A4B421/img/EE2040C14BBD4A9FB4020E8454D9282E/vote-pref-by-area.jpg)
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: freefront on Mar 07, 2016, 04:32 PM
http://www.tribune.net.ph/headlines/poe-used-51-ssn-in-us-purchase

GRACE HAS 2 SSNs; DECEPTION PATTERN BARED

Sen. Grace Poe has been found to have committed a US federal felony as documents show that the lady senator who is running for the presidency in May 2016 has committed identity theft in the United States, which  she had obtained and used, evidently illegally, a US Social Security SS number (SSN) from a dead person, but using her name, Grace Poe Llamanzares.

^^^hindi nag-ingay?  :taaskilay: Walang cred si Cacho-Olivarez or The Tribune?

Anyway, pinaka-emo na na-encounter ko tungkol sa citizenship ni GP---this coming fro an older man---sinong ina daw ang nakakatiis sa pahirap sa anak nya eh puede namang tumulong. Kasi, puede naman daw magpa-DNA si Susan Roces.

Paano pag nag-match? Eh di Filipino Citizen daw si GP. Sabi ko naman- that's admitting that the lot of that family has been living a lie. I don't think Susan Roces will agree to a DNA test. Amoy na nila ang presidency eh.

What happened to the DNA test of the people from Camiguin?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: george88 on Mar 07, 2016, 05:36 PM
Here you go who is the most spender Presidentiables and VP's. How they gonna recover this if matalo sila?

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/771295/pre-campaign-ads-hit-p6-7b-bribery-tax-evasion-impunity
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Mar 07, 2016, 06:02 PM
Bakit nga ba tinalikuran ni Grace Poe ang pagiging Pilipino? (Dahil ba maganda oportunidad sa ibang bansa?)
Kelan nya tinalikuran?
Bakit sya bumalik sa pagiging Pilipino? Dahil gusto magsilbi? Dahil meron oportunidad na inalok si PNoy sa MTRCB?

Yun kaya ang batayan para sabihin nya na ang puso nya nasa Pilipino?
Naguguluhan talaga ako sa kanya

OT, sa survey wala akong pananampalataya. Parang paraan na lamang yan para mabilog ang utak ng mga Pilipino sa iboboto nila. Syempre kung sino mas nakakaangat sa survey yun na ang piliin. Lalo na kung mga businessman ang may pakulo ng survey.
Wait there's more, di pa ako kahit kailan natanong sa mga surveys, o kahit sino man sa mga kakilala ko.  :harhar:
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 07, 2016, 06:31 PM
http://www.tribune.net.ph/headlines/poe-used-51-ssn-in-us-purchase

GRACE HAS 2 SSNs; DECEPTION PATTERN BARED

Sen. Grace Poe has been found to have committed a US federal felony as documents show that the lady senator who is running for the presidency in May 2016 has committed identity theft in the United States, which  she had obtained and used, evidently illegally, a US Social Security SS number (SSN) from a dead person, but using her name, Grace Poe Llamanzares.

^^^hindi nag-ingay?  :taaskilay: Walang cred si Cacho-Olivarez or The Tribune?

Anyway, pinaka-emo na na-encounter ko tungkol sa citizenship ni GP---this coming fro an older man---sinong ina daw ang nakakatiis sa pahirap sa anak nya eh puede namang tumulong. Kasi, puede naman daw magpa-DNA si Susan Roces.

Paano pag nag-match? Eh di Filipino Citizen daw si GP. Sabi ko naman- that's admitting that the lot of that family has been living a lie. I don't think Susan Roces will agree to a DNA test. Amoy na nila ang presidency eh.

What happened to the DNA test of the people from Camiguin?

Dinenay nya yata ito and said she only has one SSN.

Parang negative lhat ng DNA tests e. And I remember sheryl cruz her adoptive cousin but possibly blood sister, was very much against grace doing DNA tests on those claiming to be relatives. Bakit kaya?

Going back to the survey results above... if GP gets disqualified, and seeing the tight battle so far.. kung kanino mapupunta ang votes na dapat kay GP, would be the clear winner. Dahil nagpress release si duterte na ang rason ya sa pagtakbo ay si GP, I dont think he will get GP's votes or supporters. Her camp (aka Chiz) believes Mar is behind the cases filed against her, so di rin makikinabang c Mar. Si Binay at Miriam n lang pagpipilian..

This election is getting to be real interesting to say the least.



Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: george88 on Mar 07, 2016, 06:40 PM
Since January my prediction to Presidentiables for top 1 and 2 position in survey will end up between Du30 and Roxas by the End of April while Bongbong Marcos will surge to top 1 with big margin and could win a landslide victory
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 07, 2016, 08:04 PM
Meron nang nagmimind conditioning...

http://www.mb.com.ph/sc-to-vote-on-poes-disqualification-cases-on-wednesday/#8R31wJKkq7yV8sld.99

SC to vote on Poe’s disqualification cases on Wednesday
by Rey G. Panaligan
March 7, 2016 (updated)

The Supreme Court (SC) is set to vote on Wednesday, March 9, on a draft decision that disqualifies Sen. Grace Poe as presidential candidate in the May 9 elections for lack of the 10-year residency required by the Constitution.

While the two cases filed by Poe challenging her disqualification by the Commission on Elections (Comelec) are in Tuesday’s full court agenda, majority of the justices opted to have a special session tomorrow to resolve them as they needed more time to study the opinions of other justices.

Reports stated that should the justices fail to come out with a decision on Wednesday, another special full court session will be set within the week to resolve the cases.

As of  3 PM, two justices were reported to have submitted their opinions.  The reports stated that one of the two justices concurred with the draft decision.

Reports also stated that three more justices are expected to file their respective opinions whether for or against the draft decision.

At least seven other votes, on top of the vote of Justice Mariano C. del Castillo who drafted the decision, will automatically stop the presidential ambition of Senator Poe.

Failure of a candidate to satisfy any of the two major constitutional requirements for a presidential aspirant – natural-born Filipino and 10 years residency — will automatically disqualify him or her from the presidential race.

Eight votes from the 15-member SC are needed to reverse the draft decision.

Senator Poe’s two cases  are denominated as GR No. 221697 May Grace Natividad S. Poe-Llamanzares vs. Commission on Elections and Estrella C. Elamparo, and Gr Nos. 221698-700 Mary Grace Natividad S. Poe-Llamanzares vs. Comelec, Francisco S. Tatad, Antonio P. Contreras, and Amado D. Valdez.

Poe challenged the rulings of the Comelec which disqualified her as a presidential candidate for not being a natural-born Filipino and for lack of the 10-year residency in the Philippines.

On Dec. 28, 2015, the SC issued two temporary restraining orders (TROs) that stopped the Comelec from implementing its rulings.

Because of the TROs, the name of Senator Poe was included in the official ballots for the May 9 elections.

If disqualified, the votes cast in Poe’s favor will be considered stray votes.

The draft decision reportedly found that Senator Poe made material misrepresentations on her residency in her certificate of candidacy (COC) for president submitted to the Comelec.


Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 08, 2016, 01:56 PM
It works for them kasi two party system lang sila. Beefore a candidate even gets to that point na pagbobotohan sila ng electoral colleges, dumaan na sila sa mahigpit na QS... dumaan na sila sa madugong labanan sa ibaba, in terms of qualifications, ideals, platforms... ilang debates and caucuses ang nililibot para makakuha ng suporta.

Sa atin, bara bara lang, tumakbo ka muna kahit kulang ka ng requirements, kahit wala kang plataporma. Saka na ayusin detalyeng yan pag ikaw na nangunguna sa survey. Kailangan magtrend ka muna, ska na seryosohin ung responsibilidad.

Waging wagi.

And yet they still got a G W BUSH.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 08, 2016, 01:58 PM
another "survey"...

Poe, Duterte, Binay, statistically tied for top spot
view-source:http://www.rappler.com/nation/politics/elections/2016/124904-laylo-survey-poe-duterte-binay-statistically-tied (http://www.rappler.com/nation/politics/elections/2016/124904-laylo-survey-poe-duterte-binay-statistically-tied)

note the heading of the graph: voter "PREFERENCE"

(http://assets.rappler.com/612F469A6EA84F6BAE882D2B94A4B421/img/EE2040C14BBD4A9FB4020E8454D9282E/vote-pref-by-area.jpg)


Maganda ba showing (pun intended) ni MAR dyan?
Rappler eh!
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 08, 2016, 02:00 PM


Paano pag nag-match? Eh di Filipino Citizen daw si GP. Sabi ko naman- that's admitting that the lot of that family has been living a lie. I don't think Susan Roces will agree to a DNA test. Amoy na nila ang presidency eh.

May be we should ask Sheryl Cruz, niece of Susan, kung ano ang totoo.

What happened to the DNA test of the people from Camiguin?

Mga Zombies daw sila?? Hahha
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 08, 2016, 02:12 PM
Bakit nga ba tinalikuran ni Grace Poe ang pagiging Pilipino? (Dahil ba maganda oportunidad sa ibang bansa?)
Kelan nya tinalikuran?
Bakit sya bumalik sa pagiging Pilipino? Dahil gusto magsilbi? Dahil meron oportunidad na inalok si PNoy sa MTRCB?

Yun kaya ang batayan para sabihin nya na ang puso nya nasa Pilipino?
Naguguluhan talaga ako sa kanya


Well, cguro as a matter of pride yan.
Mas may pride sya pag Blue US Passport hawak niya.

Bakit sya umuwi?
Dba kasi namatay si FPJ after matalo sa election?
Anong Pinas, MTRCB? Sa pader nya yon.

Bakit sya pumasok sa govt?
Nag-sipsip sa kanya si Noy, remember?
Binigyan ng award ang pamilya nila.

Bakit, friends na ba sila dati?
NO, dahil galit si Noy kay GMA.
Galit din si Grace kay GMA, di kaya blame nya si GMA for the death of FPJ?
Enemy of my enemy ... alam mo na yan, simple minded lang naman si Noy.

Ayon, payback time ngayon.
Feel ni Grace siya magtutupad ng gusto ni FPJ to be Prexy.
Hmmm, hindi ba nya alam na mapilitan lang si FPJ nuon?
Palibhasa nasa USA sya the whole time, out of touch siya sa events of that time.

Ok ba explanation ko.
Kuro kuro ko lang naman iyan.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 08, 2016, 02:22 PM
Dinenay nya yata ito and said she only has one SSN.

Parang negative lhat ng DNA tests e. And I remember sheryl cruz her adoptive cousin but possibly blood sister, was very much against grace doing DNA tests on those claiming to be relatives. Bakit kaya?

Going back to the survey results above... if GP gets disqualified, and seeing the tight battle so far.. kung kanino mapupunta ang votes na dapat kay GP, would be the clear winner. Dahil nagpress release si duterte na ang rason ya sa pagtakbo ay si GP, I dont think he will get GP's votes or supporters. Her camp (aka Chiz) believes Mar is behind the cases filed against her, so di rin makikinabang c Mar. Si Binay at Miriam n lang pagpipilian..

This election is getting to be real interesting to say the least.

Re the SSN, we need more info.
Denial is worthless.
Lahat naman syempre deny to dead kahit guilty, hahah, Filipino trait yan.

RE if ma-DQ si GL (or GPL, hindi Po GP, power of subliminal mind influence nga naman), HUWAG na mag DENY - si BINAY ang beneficiary nyan.
Di kaya nagkakagulo na ang LP-MAR dito?
Pumapalpak ang stragedy nila.
VCM ba ang last resort nito?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Mar 08, 2016, 03:24 PM
http://www.rappler.com/nation/politics/elections/2016/124191-supreme-court-decision-grace-poe

SHE IS QUALIFIED!!!!!!!! Supreme Court na nagsabi nyan! hehehe

For me least qualified pa din siya in terms of citizenship.. este LEAST PREFERRED pala. lol
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Mar 08, 2016, 03:40 PM
Last bastion of justice delivers resounding victory for the People!

9-6 Grace POE tuloy na tuloy na!
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 08, 2016, 04:11 PM
WOW
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 08, 2016, 09:52 PM
Hmmm ... Getting even more intriguing.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 09, 2016, 07:38 AM

Humirit na naman si GP ng "nagulat ako. Akala ko out na ako."

Again its as though confirming sya mismo convinced hindi nya nameet ang requirements. Otherwise why doubt even for a second?

Some comments/theories I have read:
1. si GP talaga ang secret candidate ni Pnoy

2. Since statistically tied si Poe, Binay at Duterte, mas pabor ang mga justices kay Poe kesa dun sa 2.

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 09, 2016, 07:42 AM
Last bastion of justice delivers resounding victory for the People!

9-6 Grace POE tuloy na tuloy na!

9-6 is not resounding. Lets wait for the text of the decision and opinions

The UNANIMOUS vote for the vote receipts, yun ang resounding.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Mar 09, 2016, 10:54 AM
^^^^ may tama ka

ano ung nakita nung anim na di nakita nung siyam
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Mar 09, 2016, 12:56 PM
^ I believe the justices acted out of their own personal conviction and beliefs.

Huwag na tayo mag isip ng mga conspiracy theories.

Justice Bersamin and Jose Perez (part of 9) sided with BINAY on his suspension case issued by the Ombudsman.  Justice Bersamin even had a verbal public fight with Justice Leonen (part of 9) on the Enrile bail decision.

Justice Carpio (a cousin of the Ombudsman) voted against POE.

The Ombudsman's (Capio-Morales) nephew, Atty. Mons Carpio, is the husband of Sara Duterte, daughter of DU30.

Pnoy's appointees - Sereno, Leonen, Caguioa, and Jardeleza are insufficent to turn the tide (even if theoretically they were influenced to do so).

FAITH IN OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM SAVES THE DAY.  No conspiracy theories can destroy yesterday's event.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 09, 2016, 01:38 PM
^ I believe the justices acted out of their own personal conviction and beliefs.

Huwag na tayo mag isip ng mga conspirational theories.

why not? you said already, their decisions are based on personal conviction and beliefs -- that's not a legal basis.

Quote
Justice Carpio (a cousin of the Ombudsman) voted against POE.
he's been consistent with his position. he also ruled against FPJ, and against Poe in SET case

Quote
The Ombudsman's (Capio-Morales) nephew, Atty. Mons Carpio, is the husband of Sara Duterte, daughter of DU30.
ombudsman has nothing to do in this case. sarah duterte is irrelevant too, except maybe if you're davaoeno.

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Pnoy's appointees - Sereno, Leonen, Caguioa, and Jardeleza are insufficent to turn the tide (even if theoretically they were influenced to do so).
its 9-6 vote, you only need Sereno and Leonen to switch and the vote will become 7-8 against Poe

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FAITH IN OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM SAVES THE DAY.  No conspiracy theories can destroy yesterday's event.
thats funny, how can you say that, you dont even know yet what their justifications are. you only say that because the ruling is favorable to your candidate. even grace poe was doubting the strength of her case. lol

and more likely these magistrates really did some scenario analysis on who will win in case GP gets disqualified. I've earlier said Binay ang Miriam are the only candidates who could stand to benefit from a GP-less election. but since MDS is in last place, Binay is the only evil left.

Pulse Asia survey says the same --
“In the event that Senator Poe does not pursue her presidential bid, Vice-President Binay would gain the most as 32% of her original voters would instead vote for him,” Pulse Asia president Ronald Holmes said in a statement.

http://www.rappler.com/nation/politics/elections/2016/125175-binay-biggest-gainer-poe-disqualified (http://www.rappler.com/nation/politics/elections/2016/125175-binay-biggest-gainer-poe-disqualified)
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Post by: bauer on Mar 10, 2016, 01:04 PM
^Btw, there are 5 Aquino SC justice appointees.  Bernabe sided against Grace.

Also Justice Carpio was link to the ex-law firm CVC where Nonong Cruz (ex defense chief under GMA) is a close associate.  The probable reason why he had a negative vote on the FPJ case.  This time under Grace, he again made a negative vote because Nonong Cruz together with simeon marcelo are the lawyers for ROXAS.  Their former partners Villaraza & Angangco had links with BINAY.  The former "THE FIRM" will be both powerless come May 10.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 10, 2016, 03:04 PM
^Btw, there are 5 Aquino SC justice appointees.  Bernabe sided against Grace.

Also Justice Carpio was link to the ex-law firm CVC where Nonong Cruz (ex defense chief under GMA) is a close associate.  The probable reason why he had a negative vote on the FPJ case.  This time under Grace, he again made a negative vote because Nonong Cruz together with simeon marcelo are the lawyers for ROXAS.  Their former partners Villaraza & Angangco had links with BINAY.  The former "THE FIRM" will be both powerless come May 10.

malayo na yatang konek nyan... the konek i find interesting is, si CARPIO yung kalaban ni SERENO for CJ position, and Pnoy chose an outsider (Sereno) from the most senior, and next in rank incumbent (Carpio). This would have been a good time for him take his vengeance against Pnoy, kung gugustuhin ni lolo.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 11, 2016, 11:59 AM
Humirit na naman si GP ng "nagulat ako. Akala ko out na ako."

Again its as though confirming sya mismo convinced hindi nya nameet ang requirements. Otherwise why doubt even for a second?

Some comments/theories I have read:
1. si GP talaga ang secret candidate ni Pnoy

2. Since statistically tied si Poe, Binay at Duterte, mas pabor ang mga justices kay Poe kesa dun sa 2.

Baka Pa Humble effect?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 11, 2016, 12:03 PM
Last bastion of justice delivers resounding victory for the People!

9-6 Grace POE tuloy na tuloy na!

9-6 is not resounding. Lets wait for the text of the decision and opinions

The UNANIMOUS vote for the vote receipts, yun ang resounding.

Hmmm ... maybe borderline resounding but ...

Very curious kasi na wala pang written opinions pero meron na daw decision. That's why I said, it's intriguing.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 11, 2016, 04:33 PM
Hmmm ... maybe borderline resounding but ...

Very curious kasi na wala pang written opinions pero meron na daw decision. That's why I said, it's intriguing.

pwede naman may decision na kasi nagbotohan na sila kung deny or grant the petition (9-6). its just a matter of finalizing the text of the decision, syempre may separate opinions (whether concurring or dissenting) na iintegrate din sa main decision's final draft.

sabi within the week daw ilalabas ung decision, pero as of now, wala pa...

Edit:
Nilabas na decision, but I have yet to read its full text... essentially, foundlings are natural born... and Comelec failed to consider GP was in PH since 2005... comelec also committed grave abuse for cancelling COC as it has no authority to determine if GP has met the qualifications..

:scratch:

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Mar 11, 2016, 08:37 PM
http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/558715/news/nation/supreme-court-ruling-on-poe-vs-comelec (http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/558715/news/nation/supreme-court-ruling-on-poe-vs-comelec)

47pages! Hehe...
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 12, 2016, 09:54 AM

47 pages for the majority decision. But most of the justices submitted their separate opinions. In aggregate, almost 1,000 pages. Yari mga law students hahaha
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 12, 2016, 10:46 AM
But here's the digested version (summarized in 7 pages!!!)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4pchRrtSKnGRERHVGdUNUdfSjQ/view?pref=2&pli=1 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4pchRrtSKnGRERHVGdUNUdfSjQ/view?pref=2&pli=1)

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Mar 12, 2016, 11:56 AM
^Thanks for the digested version.  It is more than helpful.  After reading it, I am now more than convince about the meritorious way the SC majority made their decision.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 12, 2016, 02:40 PM
pwede naman may decision na kasi nagbotohan na sila kung deny or grant the petition (9-6). its just a matter of finalizing the text of the decision, syempre may separate opinions (whether concurring or dissenting) na iintegrate din sa main decision's final draft.

sabi within the week daw ilalabas ung decision, pero as of now, wala pa...

Edit:
Nilabas na decision, but I have yet to read its full text... essentially, foundlings are natural born... and Comelec failed to consider GP was in PH since 2005... comelec also committed grave abuse for cancelling COC as it has no authority to determine if GP has met the qualifications..

:scratch:

ACTUALLY, it is really VERY INTRIGUING.
AFAIK, the SOP is for the SC Justices to make known their votes among themselves.
The ponente, who voted with the majority, will then be tasked to write the decision.
Everyone else will then read it; the anti- will write their dissenting opinions individually or in groups while the concurring ones may also write their own separate opinions as they pleased.

In this case, the original ponente was chosen and he did write an opinion piece but BEHOLD, 9 of the Justices turned out be be against his decision!

That is why there was a lull between the announcement of the decision and the CURRENT DECISION written by ANOTHER PONENTE who is now with the (current?) majority!

O dba INTRIGUE?!
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 12, 2016, 03:20 PM
But here's the digested version (summarized in 7 pages!!!)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4pchRrtSKnGRERHVGdUNUdfSjQ/view?pref=2&pli=1 (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4pchRrtSKnGRERHVGdUNUdfSjQ/view?pref=2&pli=1)



I have to agree with the ruling on a foundling's citizenship.

However, I disagree with the re-acquisition process, albeit that was the fault of Congress (specifically Drilon's Dual Citizen Law) which the SC, tragically, has to follow.
This Dual Citizenship Law really needs to be corrected since it is contrary to the Constitutional Definition of a Natural Born Filipino.

Pero dangerous din yata yung first item.
The SC is saying COMELEC has no jurisdiction to DQ Grace.
Paano na yung ibang na DQ - declared as nuisance candidates?
How long will the ballot be with 70 candidates for President?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 12, 2016, 03:27 PM
Re the repatriated/ re-acquisition of Philippine Citizenship, I wonder whether SC can actually just declare that Dual Citizenship Law unconstitutional, at least as it pertains to a natural born citizen.
Meaning any Natural Born Citizen, who renounce his Natural Born Citizenship and use the Dual Citizenship Law to become a citizen again, will no longer be a Natural Born Citizen but will only be a naturalized citizen.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 12, 2016, 06:48 PM
Re naman sa RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT ni Grace.
Malabo din eto.

If anyone remembers, Imelda was allowed to run after she returned to RP from the USA. Since she never renounced her citizenship, she was considered a local resident even while she was away, akin to an OFW.

In the case of Grace, using this same line of reasoning previously given by the SC, Grace can't be a local resident when she was away, as an USA citizen.

The SC said then that physical presence is not required for residency.
Inversely, does it follow that being present doesn't prove residency, specifically if one is an alien. Grace was an alien when she returned in 2005.

While the decision for Grace mentioned that she built a house in QC sometime in 2006, she 're-acquired' her citizenship also in July 2006 only.
She renounced her US citizenship July 2011.

Did you know that she bought another house in 2008, in the US of A?
She did this while still a Dual Citizen.
Why wasn't this mentioned in the Pro Decision? Is this true?
SC Justice Del Castillo (dissenting) mentioned this.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 12, 2016, 08:06 PM
Re naman sa RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT ni Grace.
Malabo din eto.

Only proves the 10yrs residency requirement spelled out in the constitution itself is not really 10yrs. or not anymore. First rule in reading or interpreting the consti is the PLAIN MEANING interpretation, which means if the law is clear there is no room for interpretation. Sinabi na ngang 10 years, ano pa ba interpret dun.But apparently thats not the case anymore.. ang 10 pwede nang 5 yrs or 9 or whatever.

For the longest time, hindi rin excuse or acceptable ang HONEST MISTAKE when you sign a public document under oath. But now, thats not true anymore. Pwede ka nang magdeklara ng kung ano ano sa mga dokumento tapos pag kinwestyon ka, sabihin mo na lang na honest mistake, na in good faith ka. Dapat abswelto ka na sa panlilinlang mo. O dapat Grace Poe ang pangalan mo para palusutin ka?

The fact na umabot sa almost 1,000 pages ang kabuuang desisyon na ito, masasabi natin hati ng hukuman. very passionate dissenting opinions, and very defensive concurring opinions. All just to hand to a former filipino the highest privilege to be voted for as leader of the country-- everything on a silver platter.

But lets remember who she is. Minsan nang tinalikuran ang pagka-Pilipino dahil sa pag-ibig. Dahil sa pamilya. Pero pano na ang sumbat ni Heneral Luna: Bayan o Sarili? Alam na natin ano ang isasagot ni President Grace sa tanong na yan. Mabuhay ang gobyernong may puso-- na any time its convenient for her, pwedeng magpalit ng citizenship.

And its weird that millions of filipinos like bauer, stranger to her, will vote for her. pero sarili nyang pamilya hindi sya maiboboto dahil sila ay mga amerikano. Ang saya saya diba :D

Magpapalit daw ng citizenship ang asawa nya KAPAG NANALO si grace. Yun ang kundisyon, kasi nga naman, napakalaking kawalan at sakripisyo ang ipagpalit ang US passport sa PH passport hindi ba. Ano sila bali? Magpapaka-pilipino tapos talo? No can do! Make it worth their while first, iboto muna natin. saka nila tayo irereward ng kanilang pagre-acquire ng fil citizenship pag presidente na si GP.

Hiyang hiya naman ako sa balat ko. Mapipilitan silang ibaba ang pagkatao nila at magiging katulad nating hampaslupang pilipino... They will make that ultimate sacrifice-- but with our guaranty that they will reside in Malacanang.

Gobyernong may puso pa more!

And if the legend that she is the bastard daughter of Marcos is to be believed, we need not worry about bongbong getting elected as VP. The Marcoses have in fact, returned to power.

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 12, 2016, 08:15 PM
Re naman sa RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT ni Grace.
Malabo din eto.

If anyone remembers, Imelda was allowed to run after she returned to RP from the USA. Since she never renounced her citizenship, she was considered a local resident even while she was away, akin to an OFW.

In the case of Grace, using this same line of reasoning previously given by the SC, Grace can't be a local resident when she was away, as an USA citizen.

The SC said then that physical presence is not required for residency.
Inversely, does it follow that being present doesn't prove residency, specifically if one is an alien. Grace was an alien when she returned in 2005.

Thats why the Imelda case do not apply to GP. Imelda is not foundling, she never renounced fil, shes never ran for a post higher than congress.

Re the repatriated/ re-acquisition of Philippine Citizenship, I wonder whether SC can actually just declare that Dual Citizenship Law unconstitutional, at least as it pertains to a natural born citizen.
Meaning any Natural Born Citizen, who renounce his Natural Born Citizenship and use the Dual Citizenship Law to become a citizen again, will no longer be a Natural Born Citizen but will only be a naturalized citizen.
Dual citizenship is permissible. What is unlawful is dual allegiance.

Do we now agree that the judiciary/SC is the most powerful branch of govt?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 13, 2016, 10:59 AM

May point sya...

http://connie.casaveneracion.com/supreme-court-decision-in-poe-v-comelec-is-a-political-expediency-pure-machiavelli/ (http://connie.casaveneracion.com/supreme-court-decision-in-poe-v-comelec-is-a-political-expediency-pure-machiavelli/)
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Mar 13, 2016, 11:02 AM
Re naman sa RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT ni Grace.
Malabo din eto.
 


^There are three requisites to acquire a new domicile 1. Residence or bodily presence in a new locality 2. Intention to remain (animus manendi) and 3. Intention to abandon the old domicile (animus non-revertendi).

Quote verbatim from SC Grace Poe case decision.

COMELEC agreed with SC on condition no.1 and no.2 but disagree on condition no.3

#3 Intention to abandon old domicile is subject to a thousand interpretations.  But the SC believed that Grace had an intention to abandon her old domicile.  So that's it. the SC believe her position while COMELEC did not.

We are bringing the case to the SC as the Court of last resort when citizen's right are curtailed by too much legal technicalities applied by smart lawyers and legal experts.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Mar 13, 2016, 11:04 AM
Do we now agree that the judiciary/SC is the most powerful branch of govt?

^Hindi pa rin.  The SC is compose of 15 magistrates and it takes 8 person to make a majority decision.  The Executive branch is only ruled by 1 person --- The President who also happens to appoint SC justices and provides the money including enforcement resources.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Mar 13, 2016, 11:19 AM
^Hindi pa rin.  The SC is compose of 15 magistrates and it takes 8 person to make a majority decision.  The Executive branch is only ruled by 1 person --- The President who also happens to appoint SC justices and provides the money including enforcement resources.

Malaki nga chance na secret candidate ni Noy si GP...  Well, malalaman natin yan when GP wins and when we notice her limbs are tied by yellow ribbon dangling her around like a puppet.
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Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 13, 2016, 03:14 PM
Malaki nga chance na secret candidate ni Noy si GP...  Well, malalaman natin yan when GP wins and when we notice her limbs are tied by yellow ribbon dangling her around like a puppet.

Nakakatuwa din kung totoo... may backdoor access pala si GP sa Daang Matuwid... e sinusuka pa naman nila kunyari...


http://www.interaksyon.com/article/124211/pnoy-is-for-grace--5-things-that-fuel-rumor-poe-is-aquinos-secret-candidate (http://www.interaksyon.com/article/124211/pnoy-is-for-grace--5-things-that-fuel-rumor-poe-is-aquinos-secret-candidate)
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 13, 2016, 03:31 PM
^Hindi pa rin.  The SC is compose of 15 magistrates and it takes 8 person to make a majority decision.  The Executive branch is only ruled by 1 person --- The President who also happens to appoint SC justices and provides the money including enforcement resources.

Im talking about the institutions not individuals.

And SC is a collegiate body, but an ordinary citizen can go directly to SC for relief. Unless you are really a well-placed individual (not ordinary), you dont go directly to the Pres. You have any idea how many of the President's henchmen you have to go through to get his attention or help? Even if u write him directly (because u are avoiding the bureaucratic system), he (meaning his exec secretary or the staff of the Pres' staff) will send it back down his assistants and then they refer it to the apppropriate agency and there you get a number and wait just like everyone else.

And anytime you dont like the President's action or inaction, then you go to court for whatever remedy you want... all the way up to SC. If u still dont like what SC has decided, where do u go next? Nowhere else.

Yes Pres appoint SC justices, but if we assume they are independent-- the likes of sereno and leonen... then they have proven the Pres gains nothing from that appointing power..

Money comes from Congress, I thought we are already clear on that.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 14, 2016, 10:11 PM
Thats why the Imelda case do not apply to GP. Imelda is not foundling, she never renounced fil, shes never ran for a post higher than congress.
Dual citizenship is permissible. What is unlawful is dual allegiance.



My take on this is that since Imelda remained a Filipino, her residency is considered to be in RP even tho she was abroad, with most of her personal and household belongings, for a long time.

Grace was a US citizen while living in the US, and even when she came back to RP.

Using the same principle should have meant that her physical presence, even if she brought her household stuffs here will still not establish her residency here.
The only time that can apply is when she became a dual citizen and thereafter.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 14, 2016, 10:20 PM
Do we now agree that the judiciary/SC is the most powerful branch of govt?

Of course not.
Can we not see the yellow fingerprints all over this decision?

Remember the INTRIGUE?
Why was Del Castillo chosen as the ponente only to become the dissenting opinion writer overnight (or two)?
And please don't tell me 2 of the justices appointed by Noy voted against Grace.
That only means the Samar group doesn't control them all.
There really is a Balay group pa naman.

And in case you're wondering why the Balay group wants Grace DQed when the survey says that Binay will gain her votes, don't forget that they also has the inside track on the surveys and, more importantly, the counting machines.

The surveys are just to condition our minds before fiction becomes 'fact' by counting.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 14, 2016, 10:22 PM
If Grace continues to lead in the surveys, how can the 'counting' machines work properly?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Mar 15, 2016, 07:56 AM
Si Grace Poe umuwi hidni dahil sa gusto nyang manilbihan sa bansa kundi dahil sa gusto lang nyang damayan ang nanay nya sa pangungulila sa tatay nya. Sasabihin nya alam nya ang nararanasan at pangangailangan ng Pilipino dahil isa rin syang ina. Sumakay lang sya sa MRT pakiramdam nya alam na nya nangyayari sa buong bansa.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 15, 2016, 08:09 AM
Of course not.
Can we not see the yellow fingerprints all over this decision?

Remember the INTRIGUE?
Why was Del Castillo chosen as the ponente only to become the dissenting opinion writer overnight (or two)?
And please don't tell me 2 of the justices appointed by Noy voted against Grace.
That only means the Samar group doesn't control them all.
There really is a Balay group pa naman.

And in case you're wondering why the Balay group wants Grace DQed when the survey says that Binay will gain her votes, don't forget that they also has the inside track on the surveys and, more importantly, the counting machines.

The surveys are just to condition our minds before fiction becomes 'fact' by counting.

Bauer will definitely disagree with you about the yellow fingerprintts. because according to him, this is a victory of the poeple. :D

Anyway, again, im talking about the institution not the individuals. Even if we assume your theory is 100% true, at the end of the day, this decision is under the seal of the SC not the office of president. Kahit sa papaanong paraan pa naakaarating sa desisyon na yan. And if its under SC name, you have no other recourse. None.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 15, 2016, 08:13 AM
Si Grace Poe umuwi hidni dahil sa gusto nyang manilbihan sa bansa kundi dahil sa gusto lang nyang damayan ang nanay nya sa pangungulila sa tatay nya. Sasabihin nya alam nya ang nararanasan at pangangailangan ng Pilipino dahil isa rin syang ina. Sumakay lang sya sa MRT pakiramdam nya alam na nya nangyayari sa buong bansa.


I hope someone really confronts her in the next scheduled debates and ask her frontally:

Alin ang mas pipiliin mo, Pamilya o Pilipinas?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Mar 15, 2016, 12:06 PM
Sumakay lang sya sa MRT pakiramdam nya alam na nya nangyayari sa buong bansa.


^Correction is in order.  Ang gumamit ng gimmick sa pagsakay sa MRT ay ginawa ni MaRTrains noong siya ay DTI secretary (check old media press releases).

Si Grace Poe ay sumakay sa MRT to check the ACTUAL condition as experience on the ground in relation to the SENATE PROBE on MRT scams.  Nagkaroon ng imbestigasyon sa Senado kaya siya sumakay ng MRT.  Makikita natin na hindi lang niya pinakikingggan ang mga resource speakers sa Senado pero nag verify rin siya sa actual ground condition before making a stand on the issue.

Si MaRTrains sumakay sa MRT pero siya rin ang dahilan kung bakit bulok ang ating LRT-MRT ngayon. 

Nag renovate ng NAIA 1 - Binigay sa Locsin and Partners ang mahigit 1 bilyon na kontrata pero walang public bidding.  Mind you, matagal nang patay si Locsin ha.  Hindi ba malaking scam rin ito sa pangunguna ni MaRTrains?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Mar 18, 2016, 11:33 AM
"Let it not be forgotten that the historic core of our democratic system is political liberty, which is the right and opportunity to choose those who will lead the governed with their consent.

This right to choose cannot be subtly interfered with through the elimination of the electoral choice. The present bid to disqualify respondent Poe from the presidential race is a clear attempt to eliminate him as one of the choices.

This Court should resist such attempt. The right to choose is the single factor that controls the ambitions of those who would impose through force or stealth their will on the majority of citizens." - Justice Angelina Sandoval-Gutierrez (SC 2004 decision)
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 18, 2016, 02:01 PM

That opinion refers to FPJ's situation who NEVER LOST OR RENOUNCED CITIZENSHIP.

Pasensya na pero hindi talaga matanggap ng konsyensya ko gaanong kadaling itinapon ang pagka-pilipino nya ay ganun din katigas ang mukha na tumatakbo para pamunuan ang bansang minsan nang tinalikuran nya.

btw... i read this from FB last night, but for some reason the author (ruben carranza) deleted it... fortunately someone republished it... very interesting connect the dots....

http://pinoytrendingnews.net/the-complex-talk-of-slow-internet-marcos-dictatorship-poe-how-did-all-these-add-up-must-read/ (http://pinoytrendingnews.net/the-complex-talk-of-slow-internet-marcos-dictatorship-poe-how-did-all-these-add-up-must-read/)


Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Mar 18, 2016, 02:32 PM
Yung halos lahat ng mahuhusay na abugado umaalma sa desisyon ng SC, yun ang nakakatakot. Huwat is happening with SC

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 20, 2016, 03:41 PM
Yung halos lahat ng mahuhusay na abugado umaalma sa desisyon ng SC, yun ang nakakatakot. Huwat is happening with SC

Ask Noy who appointed Sereno after the anomalous ouster of CJ Corona via DAP Senate.

Sereno wrote that Grace is a natural born Filipino Citizen because:
1. Statistically, Grace was born of a Filipino father
2. Grace looks like a Filipino
3. Grace will be pitiful if denied the status of a natural born Filipino Citizen

This is how our current Chiep Justice reasons in the SUPREME COURT.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 20, 2016, 03:56 PM
Many people are still undecided on who to vote, as least that is what I hear from the people I talked to.
This must really be the election of the least EVIL, to wit

Grace - 1st US Citizen to become President of the RP?
           - Too new daw and connected to Danding. DUH
Duterte - Federalist.  Ayaw ko to
             - Womanizer? Vigilante? So what!!
Roxas - ONE WORD => INCOMPETENT
           - For many, SNOB ang dating
           - For many more, KORING!! Ngek!
Binay - Do not STEAL.
          - Arrogant ba KIDS nya?
Miriam - Unstable MIND and BODY.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 20, 2016, 07:55 PM
Ask Noy who appointed Sereno after the anomalous ouster of CJ Corona via DAP Senate.

Sereno wrote that Grace is a natural born Filipino Citizen because:
1. Statistically, Grace was born of a Filipino father
2. Grace looks like a Filipino
3. Grace will be pitiful if denied the status of a natural born Filipino Citizen

This is how our current Chiep Justice reasons in the SUPREME COURT.

Poorly reasoned if so.

Sereno wrote that Grace is a natural born Filipino Citizen because:
1. Statistically, Grace was born of a Filipino father - may definition sa Constitution kung sino ang Filipino, hindi basehan ang statistical probability. Atsaka, mother ang controlling on citizenship hindi father. Ang funny rin diba
2. Grace looks like a Filipino - she also looks like MALAYSIAN, INDONESIAN, VIETNAMESE at ano pa mang asian descent
3. Grace will be pitiful if denied the status of a natural born Filipino Citizen -   what happened to the concept of neutrality for judges
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 21, 2016, 07:58 AM
Poorly reasoned if so.

I only summarized her main points, the conclusion is yours.


Sereno wrote that Grace is a natural born Filipino Citizen because:
1. Statistically, Grace was born of a Filipino father - may definition sa Constitution kung sino ang Filipino, hindi basehan ang statistical probability. Atsaka, mother ang controlling on citizenship hindi father. Ang funny rin diba

The tragedy here is that while the Dual Citizenship Act provides for a PROCESS for ex-Filipinos to regain their NATURAL BORN STATUS, it also goes AGAINST our CONSTITUTION's DEFINITION of a NATURAL BORN Filipino.

Someone should really raise this issue AGAIN, since the SC had voted for it before. But I think that wasn't on the constitutionality of the Act itself but rather that a certain guy was given back his status based on this Act.

BTW, this Act was authored by the LP BigBOY Drilon.


2. Grace looks like a Filipino - she also looks like MALAYSIAN, INDONESIAN, VIETNAMESE at ano pa mang asian descent
3. Grace will be pitiful if denied the status of a natural born Filipino Citizen -   what happened to the concept of neutrality for judges

I guess butas butas na ang blind folds nila.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 21, 2016, 08:26 AM
WHAT happened last night?!!
Sobrang delay ang SHOW ng mga candidates, haha.

Bawal pala codigo on stage, pero TV5 people mistakenly verbally allowed Binay to do so, who then was questioned by Roxas. BANG! 90 minutes needed to sort it out. Minus eto for Binay.

On to the Show itself (My Grading A to E):

BINAY. Mahina pala sa rebuttal si Binay, madaling mataranta and slow to answer back. Old age lang ba or natural na nya yan? Parang hindi rin maganda ang preparation nya. He shld have expected the attacks on him re corruption and yet mahina pa rin ang sagot, both in substance and delivery.
Grade C

DUTERTE. Very witty and has good rapport with the audience but lacking in some details and substance. Even so he seems to have the most honest answers. I was surprised when he said Binay is the most qualified, even more than himself.
Grade B+

GRACE. Very composed. Used her memory to good effect by reciting some numbers in her arguments, she was a teacher and the youngest after all. Surprisingly, while she has the least experience, she seems to be the most comfortable one speaking in public. She was well prepared.
Grade A-

ROXAS. Well prepared also but came across too strong. He is also so full of himself (IMO lang naman). His rapport with the audience comes on a bit but then he'll lose it in the next minute. He probably scored well with his supporters and didn't gain much among the undecided.
Grade B
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Mar 21, 2016, 10:22 AM
GRACE. Very composed. Used her memory to good effect by reciting some numbers in her arguments, she was a teacher and the youngest after all. Surprisingly, while she has the least experience, she seems to be the most comfortable one speaking in public. She was well prepared.
Grade A-

 

^Parang grading ng Moody's at Standard & Poor ang score card mo ha.

Well, I'm supposed to post a challenging question on you because it seems you really refuse to accept the SC decision (final arbiter of justice) on Poe's case but your GOOD RATING ON HER reduces my doubt about your fairness. 

DEBATES will clearly show how our leaders REACT TO PRESSURE & INTENSE STRESS. 

CALMNESS AMID CHAOS brings comfort that the best decision will be made for our country.

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Mar 21, 2016, 11:59 AM
Para sa akin, mataas ang nakuhang grade ni LCV.
Hirap ng trabaho nya, mas mahirap pa kila Mike at Jessica nung nakaraan.  Totoong debate na talaga
Ultimo si GP high blood na

Grace: As usual, well prepared and at controlled pa rin sa emotion.
Binay: Wala pa rin sense (siguro dahil mas paulit ulit sa isip ko yung suntok sa buwan ding pangako nyan tungkol sa tax)
Duterte: still intimidating and witty. Na-infiltrate ang isip ni GP sa tanong nya (about the China issue)
Roxas: Pinapangalandakan pa rin ang ginawa ng amo nya na hindi ko maintindihan ano ba talaga yung plataporma na kanyang kanya.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 21, 2016, 12:02 PM
WHAT happened last night?!!
Sobrang delay ang SHOW ng mga candidates, haha.

Bawal pala codigo on stage, pero TV5 people mistakenly verbally allowed Binay to do so, who then was questioned by Roxas. BANG! 90 minutes needed to sort it out. Minus eto for Binay.

On to the Show itself (My Grading A to E):

BINAY. Mahina pala sa rebuttal si Binay, madaling mataranta and slow to answer back. Old age lang ba or natural na nya yan? Parang hindi rin maganda ang preparation nya. He shld have expected the attacks on him re corruption and yet mahina pa rin ang sagot, both in substance and delivery.
Grade C

DUTERTE. Very witty and has good rapport with the audience but lacking in some details and substance. Even so he seems to have the most honest answers. I was surprised when he said Binay is the most qualified, even more than himself.
Grade B+

GRACE. Very composed. Used her memory to good effect by reciting some numbers in her arguments, she was a teacher and the youngest after all. Surprisingly, while she has the least experience, she seems to be the most comfortable one speaking in public. She was well prepared.
Grade A-

ROXAS. Well prepared also but came across too strong. He is also so full of himself (IMO lang naman). His rapport with the audience comes on a bit but then he'll lose it in the next minute. He probably scored well with his supporters and didn't gain much among the undecided.
Grade B

^I respect your assessment but I think you’re talking about PERSONALITIES NOT THE POSITIONS THEY HAVE MADE. Majority’s guilty of this.

My ranking for the debaters: Roxas, Poe, Duterte, Miriam, Binay. Yes, kahit wala si Miriam, mas may puntos pa sya kesa kay Binay who I’d give a negative score, as in kabawasan pa sa kanya ang pagdalo nya.

Roxas:
Has memorized his pitch, kahit bali-baliktarin mo sya, nadadala nya ang usapan sa anggulong gusto nya--> daang matuwid works. Yung mukha na lang nya ang di makahanap ng magandang anggulo para ikatuwa ng botante ang mga sinasabi nya.  Imagine if all the things he say or knows would come out of Digong’s mouth? Reception would be spectular. Problema, si Mar sya, and that has always been his biggest flaw/disadvantage.

I agree he’s full of himself and overtly exalting Daang Matuwid when people obviously don’t wanna hear about it anymore. I did not like that he didn’t fully answer Ms Marichu Villanueva’s question about the 3 areas Pnoy admin fell short in and what he intends to do about them. That could have been a chance for Mar to show he is his own person and he’ll handle them his way and he's not just about Daang Matuwid 2.0.

Same thing about the mamasapano—Mar could have done better explaining himself. He’s obviously a stickler for the rules (that’s why he insisted on the no-notes rule, and why he kept saying “excuse me, oras ko ito!”). Those issues against him (MRT deal  and mamasapano) were kept from his knowledge because they are against the rules and he surely will object to it.

isunod ko yung iba mamya...


Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 21, 2016, 02:19 PM
Poe:
Is a real good talker, she and Chiz share that attribute or maybe Chiz helped her in that area. But if we focus on the issues and her positions, I really don’t like her perspective, or agenda. From coco levy (wala na daw kay Danding ang pera pero kung nasa kanya walang special treatment… and then we see evidence that she’s actually Vice-Chair of the Senate agri committee and yet the bill was not passed by senate... hay, things politicians say). Her question to Mar was not really a question but a conclusion – the President did not trust his people. Very cunning way of framing her question. But it bounced back to her when she revealed that hindi sya pupunta sa mga sitwasyon gaya ng Zamboanga siege – it gave the impression that she’s takot or that she’s a woman president who needed to be saved. Of course that may be true, but she shouldn’t make such statements that tend to diminish her strength as possible commander in chief.

 A President go to ground zero to make an actual assessment of the situation not because he does not trust his people, parang mali yung pagkonek nyang iyon. Plus, naka-puntos si Binay sa kanya in the early round. She was not able to satisfactorily dodge Binay’s accusation on the “I ABJURE….!!! Ikinahiya mo ang iyong pinanggalingan!!!” statement. I thought its gonna be a demoralizing scenario in the future where the President’s citizenship will be the butt joke every time, by political satirists and commentarists. Any foreign-policy favoring foreigns would have insinuations that she is not pro-Filipino. May ganung anggulo agad I'm sure.

I didn’t like she’s for death penalty for heinous crimes—this is proof she’s oblivious to our recent past. Yung time na merong death penalty, araw-araw may massacre, and Kris Aquino made a name for herself as Massacre queen doing movie adaptations. Grace missed out (or was spared) from this dark phase of our country, kasi nasa America sya. More importantly, she missed out on the conclusion by our legal and justice system that death penalty did not really mitigate the massacre incidents. Of the many sentenced to death, it was only Echegaray who was executed. Everyone else had their sentences commuted to life imprisonment because the death penalty was abandoned for being ineffectual.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 21, 2016, 02:41 PM
Duterte:
He seems content in making himself the comic relief of the debate, because that’s what people like, patawa na lang tayo dito. Nothing substantive or concrete, and it came from his own mouth --- kokopyahin ko ang mga ideas nila, it’s a matter of implementation. Pinoy mentality, so everyone  lauded his “honesty”. He kept interrupting Mar with his one liners that again people find funny, but really, do not add any value to the discussion (much like some du30 fans all over the net this space included). At least napigilan nyang sabihin ang favourite nyang comment na “Mar tuli ka na ba?”.

I know its just me who’s disappointed, dahil sa twitter ang saya saya ng mga tao talking about how funny and witty digong is. Really? I thought we’re watching a presidential debate, I didn’t know we’re looking for a candidate to Pilipinas Got Comic Talent. Nobody realizes majority of a President’s job is to face foreign dignitaries and talk to them endlessly about serious matters and yes jokes will be looked down upon from a Head of State in those serious talks. Making jokes only appeal to the masa. Making threats will not cut it either. How he would navigate multilateral negotiations without jokes and threats, would be interesting.  Erap was in the same situation and he did not make a good impression or representation for the country.

Death penalty is his pet project through his Death Squad, so…. And he’s willing to bury Marcos sa Libingan ng mga Bayani.
He said Binay is the most qualified, even more than himself. Despite his tough thug feels, he actually likes exchanging empty flatteries.

He calls Mar pretentious leader, weak leader, but said nothing substantive to belie Mar’s claims. Attacked the personality not the issues. But people did enjoy his comedic timing.

Many praised him in that behind-the-scene video clip where he offered a “happy compromise” to Binay. Reconciliatory daw and shows strong leadership. But what finally settled the issue did anybody notice? It was when COMELEC chair Bautista confirmed the no-notes allowed rule and that luchie gave the wrong information. This he did after Mar asked COMELEC to make a definitive position. Kung may rules, sunding ang rules, don’t bend it or make exceptions just to accommodate someone. Yan ang rule of law, not rule of man.

Anyway, contrary to popular observation, I thought Duterte himself was indecisive in that situation.. he said its ok for me to allow Binay with notes… but if we allow him, its unfair for the 3 of us who have no notes… and how do we assess if the documents are authentic? But its ok with me, so we can continue the debate… but the problem is…

At best he was thinking out loud, going to and fro. And people call it strong leadership.

Binay

I’m not even gonna waste words on that one.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 21, 2016, 03:29 PM
^I respect your assessment but I think you’re talking about PERSONALITIES NOT THE POSITIONS THEY HAVE MADE. Majority’s guilty of this.

Guilty as charged.
Why not personality?
We are talking of the Presidency here,
Do you think Churchill was considered a great leader of England only because he makes sense? No, no, no.
He was charismatic and can INSPIRE the people.
That is a REQUIRED QUALITY of a GREAT POLITICAL LEADER.

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 21, 2016, 03:34 PM

Roxas:
Has memorized his pitch, kahit bali-baliktarin mo sya, nadadala nya ang usapan sa anggulong gusto nya--> daang matuwid works. Yung mukha na lang nya ang di makahanap ng magandang anggulo para ikatuwa ng botante ang mga sinasabi nya.  Imagine if all the things he say or knows would come out of Digong’s mouth? Reception would be spectular. Problema, si Mar sya, and that has always been his biggest flaw/disadvantage.

I agree he’s full of himself and overtly exalting Daang Matuwid when people obviously don’t wanna hear about it anymore. I did not like that he didn’t fully answer Ms Marichu Villanueva’s question about the 3 areas Pnoy admin fell short in and what he intends to do about them. That could have been a chance for Mar to show he is his own person and he’ll handle them his way and he's not just about Daang Matuwid 2.0.

Same thing about the mamasapano—Mar could have done better explaining himself. He’s obviously a stickler for the rules (that’s why he insisted on the no-notes rule, and why he kept saying “excuse me, oras ko ito!”). Those issues against him (MRT deal  and mamasapano) were kept from his knowledge because they are against the rules and he surely will object to it.


Well, like I said, may sense naman talaga ang sinabi nya albeit he was evasive on some other issues. His personality is his biggest flaw.

BTW, is it just me, or did he seem to talk the most?

I wonder why nobody mentioned Koring; that is his bitter half. Haha
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Mar 22, 2016, 08:04 AM
Talk is cheap, especially if its meant to mislead.

http://news.abs-cbn.com/video/nation/v1/03/21/16/statements-from-poe-roxas-do-not-match-official-records

Parang false advertisement. Parang pekeng produktong binebenta sa divisoria.

Show proof to rebut the report.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Mar 22, 2016, 09:43 AM
^Btw, if its indeed true,
Poe  - learning the ropes quite well... I hope we will not be trapped. Because its gona be Trap-poe....
Roxas - never learns.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Mar 22, 2016, 10:01 AM
http://www.rappler.com/nation/politics/elections/2016/126655-fact-check-grace-poe-coco-levy-bill?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=referral

exerpt
Poe signed the committee report on the bill that seeks to mandate several government offices to manage coco levy funds for coconut farmers – the mechanism she criticized in Quezon as she said she wanted the funds be directly given to farmers.

But that does not mean she agreed with the measure, she said. Poe explained she only signed it so the process could move forward. After all, as Senate processes entail, the committee report would have to undergo scrutiny by other senators before it gets approved as a bill.

In past instances, however, Poe's signatures in committee reports - the recommending of plunder charges against Vice President Jejomar Binay and the Mamasapano probe - signified her approval of them.

Asked by reporters if her signature on the committee report does not necessarily mean she is in favor of the measure, Poe said: “Meron kasi for amendments eh, 'di ba, may mga iba din for amendments? Para sa akin kasi dapat naano ko doon 'yung... Usually, 'pag pumirma ka, magpapalista ka na magtatanong ka, na meron kang mga amendments doon sa report."

Kayo humusga. Sa akin, malaking palusot.  She a dangerous president if she wins. This can actually be good or bad for the country,depending on how she ues her special trait: Foxy.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 22, 2016, 02:12 PM

Kayo humusga. Sa akin, malaking palusot.  She a dangerous president if she wins. This can actually be good or bad for the country,depending on how she ues her special trait: Foxy.
Right?! Ano gusto nya, bawat document na pipirmahan nya may annotation ng palusot or exceptions nya? Pag pumirma ka, panindigan mo ateng, walang pero pero...
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Mar 22, 2016, 02:48 PM
From TopGear Philippines.... Automatic Transmission  Car Shifts, what are the chances:

P-oe
R-oxas
N-o, just no
D-uterte
S-antiago
Sorry Binay di ka kasali. hahaha

Credit to Pristine Pau with a little edit para masali naman si Binay:

P-oe  will get you Parked
R-oxas will bring country in Reverse motion
N-o,just no to binay
D-uterte will Drive us!
S-antiago is Superior for the spot!
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 22, 2016, 02:51 PM
this might be helpful... or atleast amusing...

(http://i.imgur.com/DHpXaeo.jpg)
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Mar 22, 2016, 03:07 PM
^Hahaha Last row, last column is classic : "I dont give a f*ck" by giving a middle finger f*ck...lols
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 22, 2016, 03:23 PM
Right?! Ano gusto nya, bawat document na pipirmahan nya may annotation ng palusot or exceptions nya? Pag pumirma ka, panindigan mo ateng, walang pero pero...

I Agree!
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 22, 2016, 03:28 PM
From TopGear Philippines.... Automatic Transmission  Car Shifts, what are the chances:

P-oe
R-oxas
N-o, just no
D-uterte
S-antiago
Sorry Binay di ka kasali. hahaha

Credit to Pristine Pau with a little edit para masali naman si Binay:

P-oe  will get you Parked
R-oxas will bring country in Reverse motion
N-o,just no to binay
D-uterte will Drive us!
S-antiago is Superior for the Gspot!

Missing letter supplied!

BTW wala namang S sa AT ??
After D-Drive is 2 or L-Lowgear or M-Manual Mode, dba?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 22, 2016, 03:39 PM
this might be helpful... or atleast amusing...

(http://i.imgur.com/DHpXaeo.jpg)

It's Neither.
The fight now is coming down to between Grace and Du30.

Right now, the only way for Mar to win is by using illegal means - Abuse & Misuse Govt Resources or outright cheating via Trending (remember 2013) Ending with VCM HCos PCos.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 22, 2016, 04:01 PM
It's Neither.
The fight now is coming down to between Grace and Du30.
the chart is pretty neutral imho

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Right now, the only way for Mar to win is by using illegal means - Abuse & Misuse Govt Resources or outright cheating via Trending (remember 2013) Ending with VCM HCos PCos.
what abuse and misuse govt resources?

i think if mar gets any headway in the survey by april, they're cooking up somthing. otherwise, i dont see him winning. cheating is not necessary anymore, they've got GP as backup plan (parang at all cost hindi pwedeng manalo si binay! mode na)


Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 22, 2016, 05:06 PM
Guilty as charged.
Why not personality?
We are talking of the Presidency here,
Do you think Churchill was considered a great leader of England only because he makes sense? No, no, no.
He was charismatic and can INSPIRE the people.
That is a REQUIRED QUALITY of a GREAT POLITICAL LEADER.

Nung first debate inabutan ako sa isang maliit na resto and the staff were all glued to the tv. Nung nagcommercial, ang mga reactions nila on mar – kung magsalita parang ang dami nyang alam! <- - Like that’s such a bad thing. When Du30 spoke, humahagalpak sila while clapping when he explained about his mistresses and other women—its biology. That’s personality.

I have nothing against charming and inspiring ang datingan. Marami namang nerd or bibo pero malakas pa rin ang charisma and inspiring like bill gates and steve jobs, JFK…  personality is not the all and be all though.

 Sa FB nakita ko ung post ni sarah duterte about her dad na umaattend sa lahat ng graduation nya. Umiiyak. Obviously she wanted to show the soft side of duterte.

E ano naman kung umiiyak din si duterte? Mga psycho serial killers umiiyak din naman. Si Mar umiyak din sa TV nung nahanap ang bangkay ni Jesse sa ilalim ng dagat. E ano ngayon kung umiiyak? Pwede nang Presidente? E pano kung mag-iyakan na silang lahat, ano pa basis mo para masabing may puso? Hahaha.

I find it really annoying na pumayag si GP maging partidong Galing at Puso. Obviously sya yung puso, si chiz yung galing. Lol.
At bakit puso? Kung kailangan mo pang i-advertise na may puso ka, eh mej nakakaduda, like you’re just really appealing to the emotion, hindi yung konkretong ma-ooffer mong serbisyo at kakayanan, yung may vision kung magiging ano tayo.

Walang kandidato ngayon ang nakapagpakita ng ganyang vision. Dahil hindi natin sila hinahanapan. basta may drama, keri na.

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 22, 2016, 08:03 PM

i think if mar gets any headway in the survey by april, they're cooking up somthing. otherwise, i dont see him winning. cheating is not necessary anymore, they've got GP as backup plan (parang at all cost hindi pwedeng manalo si binay! mode na)

GP is Noy's candidate.
But Noy is ok also with Mar winning.

The LP faction of Mar has no backup plan, candidate-wise.
They have already facked all the other candidates, haha, Backed pala, este back stabbed.
Their backup plan is survey trending then hocus pocus, which is not a sure thing since they are not the only ones who can play that game.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 22, 2016, 08:09 PM

I have nothing against charming and inspiring ang datingan. Marami namang nerd or bibo pero malakas pa rin ang charisma and inspiring like bill gates and steve jobs, JFK…  personality is not the all and be all though.


Don't confuse President of a COMPANY to PRESIDENT of a COUNTRY.
BTW walang charisma si Bill Gates, si Steve naman, ask his employees how much they really like him.

JFK, yan ang may charisma.
How will people of a nation follow you if you have a lousy or boring personality? Fiery Speeches are the hallmark of a potent political leader.

Just look at Hitler.
Kahit mali, sunod ang mga tao.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Mar 22, 2016, 08:10 PM
Missing letter supplied!

BTW wala namang S sa AT ??
After D-Drive is 2 or L-Lowgear or M-Manual Mode, dba?

https://www.facebook.com/topgearphilippines/photos/a.147830941930649.28745.110345575679186/1062319193815148/?type=3

Thats what I thought too, pero may S here in this top gear picture, dont know what model it is....The shift is not even "stick" , parang knob, button...
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Mar 22, 2016, 08:27 PM
Bjj, dont you have anything to pick on kay Duterte besides his personality? Hehehe

In the debate, besides his comic relief, siya din nagdala ng debate. 1. Remove him and see how it goes, baka walang manood. Yes, entertainment factor. Thats also leadership. Look how it answered and asked questions, leading the whole process. 2. Look beyond entertainment, his answers are all straight forward. Others either going around the rotonda, or lie.

Lets remove evryones personlaity. The tough man image of Duterte. the sympathetic image of daughter of fernando. The diskarte image od binay. The mukang ewan image of Roxas. And lets remove all their sweet promises.

What is left?

Performance and track record.... You want neutral? Reverse? Park mode kasi ojt? Lets Drive! lets Du30! ;)
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Wills on Mar 22, 2016, 10:27 PM
In the 2nd debate Poe showed her lack of experience. She is useless.

Mar as usual look stupid.

Duterte is OK.

Binay is also OK. He can be a good president because he knows executive work. His corruptions are timely exploited and I believe on most of the allegations against him.

EVERYONE is corrupt don't be naive and look for someone out there who is not.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 23, 2016, 12:07 PM
Bjj, dont you have anything to pick on kay Duterte besides his personality? Hehehe
What are you talking about? I’ve already ranted over and over again that people are looking at this whole presidential race on a personality basis instead of fostering issue-based discussion.

If it were for other govt positions its ok to have a Duterte personality. But again, i would like to emphasize, hindi masa ang kakaharapin ng presidente 90% of the time kundi ibang malalaking tao ng ibang bansa. Yung mga mayayabang na may ipagyayabang. Yung mga lumalabas sa bibig ni Mar hindi makakakuha ng boto ng tulad mo GS na sigang lider ang hanap, pero makakakuha ng bilateral contracts sa Japan. I know it sounds elitist, pero yun ang realidad. Yun ang paraan para maka-akit ng foreign investments, hindi mag-ikot sa barangay at magpakain ng yosi sa taong nagtapon nito sa kalye.

While the father of a family is there to help raise (or discipline) the children, his greater role is to provide and represent the family outside the family house. para makahanap ng magandang trabaho at kumita para sa pamilya, para maipasok ang anak sa magandang iskwelahan, para hindi binabastos ang asawa at anak na babae ng mga sanggano. The same with a president. Sa loob ng bahay,  di maka-relate mga anak mo sayo dahil economics at statistics ang gusto mong pag-usapan sa dining table at hindi ang lovelife or telenobelang sinusundan nila. Pero sa trabaho at international meetings, lahat nakikipag-kamay sayo dahil Philippine flag ang nasa tabi ng pangalan mo. Promising, may potential at ipinagyayabang mo. Yan ang trabaho ng presidente.

teka next time na ang karugtong, uwian na... hehehe


Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 23, 2016, 04:55 PM
https://www.facebook.com/topgearphilippines/photos/a.147830941930649.28745.110345575679186/1062319193815148/?type=3

Thats what I thought too, pero may S here in this top gear picture, dont know what model it is....The shift is not even "stick" , parang knob, button...

Hmmm S+ (Sports Mode of Subaru? Manual mode for other brands)
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Mar 23, 2016, 07:15 PM
What are you talking about? I’ve already ranted over and over again that people are looking at this whole presidential race on a personality basis instead of fostering issue-based discussion.

If it were for other govt positions its ok to have a Duterte personality. But again, i would like to emphasize, hindi masa ang kakaharapin ng presidente 90% of the time kundi ibang malalaking tao ng ibang bansa. Yung mga mayayabang na may ipagyayabang. Yung mga lumalabas sa bibig ni Mar hindi makakakuha ng boto ng tulad mo GS na sigang lider ang hanap, pero makakakuha ng bilateral contracts sa Japan. I know it sounds elitist, pero yun ang realidad. Yun ang paraan para maka-akit ng foreign investments, hindi mag-ikot sa barangay at magpakain ng yosi sa taong nagtapon nito sa kalye.

While the father of a family is there to help raise (or discipline) the children, his greater role is to provide and represent the family outside the family house. para makahanap ng magandang trabaho at kumita para sa pamilya, para maipasok ang anak sa magandang iskwelahan, para hindi binabastos ang asawa at anak na babae ng mga sanggano. The same with a president. Sa loob ng bahay,  di maka-relate mga anak mo sayo dahil economics at statistics ang gusto mong pag-usapan sa dining table at hindi ang lovelife or telenobelang sinusundan nila. Pero sa trabaho at international meetings, lahat nakikipag-kamay sayo dahil Philippine flag ang nasa tabi ng pangalan mo. Promising, may potential at ipinagyayabang mo. Yan ang trabaho ng presidente.

teka next time na ang karugtong, uwian na... hehehe




Thats your opinion. But for me it sounds more like hallucination than elitist.

Si Roxas  palpak na local scene , and youre confident he can do well in international setting.

Tama ka, pang international din ang pagkabolero ni ewan... panoorin mo lang to.. nabola niya ata yun international reporter?lol

https://www.facebook.com/ewan.santi/videos/637222286324012/

Grabe talaga ang support mo kay ewan.. ewan ko ba :)

@wilch23, Possibly? But Im sure Roxas = Reverse. hehehe

Ceasefire na muna ako in commemoration of Lent.... Have a fun yet spiritually fulfilled Holy week to you guys!
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 25, 2016, 09:20 AM
Thats your opinion. But for me it sounds more like hallucination than elitist.

Of course its my opinion. Proof its hallucination please? Otherwise youre just making up things to humiliate me. Holy week pa naman? Luma na ang banal na aso GS.

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Si Roxas  palpak na local scene ,
Tip, lagyan mo siguro ng hard numbers para di mukhang hinuhugot mo lang sa meme ang opinions mo...

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and youre confident he can do well in international setting.
Mas confident ka sakin, Ikaw na nga nagsabi nabola nya ung reporter. Sa edad ba nmn nating itechiwa hindi pa klaro sa atin na ang world leaders meetings ay malalaking sales and marketing conference? As in MLM. Hindi nga lang kawali ang produkto mo kundi ideya mo, hindi whitening soap kundi bansa mo. Aware ba kayo gano karaming mtgs na ganyan ang nangyayari taon taon na parang wala silang sawa sa isa't isa? Na pagbalik dito, they have about 1 month to synthesize all the agreements and commitments, coordinate with all agencies involved to review proposals, find legal basis, seek clearances from senate or congress, amend laws to remove legal obstacles, etc. Before you know it, ayan na naman ang next mtg, maghahanapan ng countersignatures sa documents kung go na ba o itatapon na ang napagusapan. ilang world or regional orgs kasali ang PH, would anyone guess? San pa makakahanap ng oras mang-chicks si D nyan? Maawa kyo sa biology nung tao uuyy.. :laugh:

Akala ko pa nmn nung ginawa ang APEC sa pinas mamumulat man lang kahit mga middle class na maging mas malawak ang perspektibo, at hindi sa trapik na lng umiikot ang mundo. See the forest not the trees. Oh well mahirap talaga ituro yan sa mga taong nearsighted.

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Tama ka, pang international din ang pagkabolero ni ewan... panoorin mo lang to.. nabola niya ata yun international reporter?lol

https://www.facebook.com/ewan.santi/videos/637222286324012/

Sorry hindi ko mapanood ang video na nasa fb mabagal din kasi net ko. Anyway, kung may mga links ka sa mas credible sources like bloomberg o reuters, pashare na lang panoodin ko sa ofc (mabilis ang net pero bawal ang fb). yun kasi ang minomonitor ng business sector and investors hindi facebook sources (unless verified fb page ng prominente o credible sources).

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Grabe talaga ang support mo kay ewan.. ewan ko ba :)
subukan mo lang ang approach na substance over form. Pag-isipan mo ang ideya, prinsipyo, paninindigan, panukala at hindi yung tao. And this I suggest to everyone.

Again, its clear from your post here and in other threads that youre used to attacking the person not the issue.. Tawa na lang ako, :hihi:

Hiindi mo din naman kasalanan na may certain depth requirement ang makipagtalastasan nang matalino at hindi nagpapadala sa emosyon at hindi nagpapa-overcome sa  fanaticism. Para akin, malinaw na magkakaiba tayo ng hinahanap sa isang mabuting presidente, walang masama dun ganyan ang demokrasya. Sa iba, hanap ang "dayuhan na may puso", o kaya gusto "may aksyon, sex at drama", yung iba sa "may sakit". ang sakin gusto ko "may substance".

Ang hangad ko mapag isipan ng bawat isa kung tama ba "job matching" sa skills o credentials na meron. Kailangan bang black belter sa trabahong puro meetings ang gagawin? Kailangan bang marunong makipag-make out sa harap ng camera with a random woman para maaliw ang audience nya? Anong pang-aaliw ang gagawin nya once he's on world stage? Magaling si Duterte bilang mayor dahil nadadaan nya sa brasuhan at pagbabanta ang lahat sa Davao. Ganyan ang dapat sa isang meyor, kasi ilang brgy captains lang ba yan na hahawakan nya sa leeg at tututukan ng baril? 180. Ilan ang brgy s buong bansa? 42,000 plus.

Wag nyong asahan na maghahands on si D sa lahat ng yan, im very sure (yes im sure kasi batas na nagsasabi nito), IDEDELEGATE yan. Ngayon, ang hands on skills ba ni D ay maisasalin nyo sa mga alipores nya? You think D's leadership quality will be replicated by his cohorts? NO. What happens then? Hindi natin alam, kasi wala tayong alam na plano except "I will end criminality within 6 mos." Wala pa akong narinig na isinagot nya kapag tinatanong sya na HOW?? Ung mga fans ni D pakisagot ako kung may natandaan kayong malinaw na sagot nya jan.  :watchuthink:

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 25, 2016, 09:32 AM

Hindi na rin naman ganun kahirap magets bakit si duterte ang POPULAR CHOICE. Si Trump nga leading GOP candidate eh. Pero di ko magets kung bakit nag-aabala talaga si D i-bully si Mar e hindi naman si Mar ang nangunguna sa survey. ano threatened sya? Ang dapat nyang puntiryahin si Binay na nangunguna sa mga probinsya, and yet kinamayan at sunabihan pang "he is more qualified than me." At gustong libing si Marcos bilang bayani, for unity? Kinakampanya nya talaga si Bongbong ano? Kawawang Alan.

we get a peek into how D's judgment and character right there.
Ano bang tumtakbo sa isip ng mga bully pag nagiging obssessed sila sa binubully nila?  Kase hes wasting an awful amount of his limited time picking on and destroying a guy he refers to as pretentious, weak and a fraud. And we want him to manage the affairs of this land when his priorities are obviously all mixed up.


@wilch23, Possibly? But Im sure Roxas = Reverse. hehehe

how sure is "im sure"? Proof please. Nahihiya daw ang mga Professional fortune tellers sayo.

Saka, what do u mean by reverse? It implies we are currently moving forward. And this is while under Daang Matuwid? Admission ba yan na daang matuwid moved the country forward?

:applause:

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Wills on Mar 26, 2016, 02:21 AM
^No don't use the word WE here, it is only you who got a peek on Duterte's judgement and it is based on your perception which is the result of your own paradigm.

He attacks Mar because of what had happened last October 2015, he was disappointed when he learned that the black propaganda or rumor about him having a cancer and his wife's bypass operation and cancer came from Roxas camp, Duterte said he was hurt because he really thought Roxas is his friend.

About Marcos, he is doing it for Ilocanos because he doesn't want divisions in our country. So that he will get their support and would be easier to execute his future plans as a President if the majority of population in our country is united.

I think his priorities are not mixed up, its just your perception bajoyjoy that's why you are confused.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 26, 2016, 12:57 PM

... Pero di ko magets kung bakit nag-aabala talaga si D i-bully si Mar e hindi naman si Mar ang nangunguna sa survey. ano threatened sya?


DU30 is not bullying Mar, he is just giving it to him face to face.
Si Ma-LP kasi ang naglabas ng mga underhanded attacks kay DU30 sa mga media friends nila para masira si DU30.
Payback lang yan.
Actually Binay, Grace and DU30 were all ganging up on Mar, just as Mar Grace and DU30 were doing the same to Binay.
So the sentiments among the candidates reflect that of the voting public?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 26, 2016, 01:20 PM

 how sure is "im sure"? Proof please. Nahihiya daw ang mga Professional fortune tellers sayo.

I will have to bring you with me to the future for the proof, in the meantime ...

Saka, what do u mean by reverse? It implies we are currently moving forward. And this is while under Daang Matuwid? Admission ba yan na daang matuwid moved the country forward?

NO, it doesn't imply that we are going forward. Kasi pwede mag go backward even from a stationary position. It is also possible to go backward while going backward. Further, I implied no such thing.

Do I see a yellow flag peeking out of your pocket?


Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 26, 2016, 01:21 PM
Este YELLOW RIBBON yata dapat?

BTW, don't pity Alan, from the start naman NO WIN sya.
His plan is to run and collect contributions (?) then go back to his seat in the Senate. Lumang style na yan.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 26, 2016, 01:23 PM
DU30 is leading in PMT poll.

Looking at the survey results, do you see a long middle finger?
Or is it just the DU30 effect, hehe
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 26, 2016, 04:43 PM
NO, it doesn't imply that we are going forward. Kasi pwede mag go backward even from a stationary position. It is also possible to go backward while going backward. Further, I implied no such thing.

Do I see a yellow flag peeking out of your pocket?
Reverse is oppposite direction isnt it? Opposite of stationary is movement whatever the direction. when I go backward frm a previous backward movement, thats actually forward. Anyway pls dont drive using waze, baka sa creek ka mapunta hahaha

What pocket, u cant even see me, pocket ko pa? Omnipotent at omnipresent si sir wilch, dadalhin pa ako sa future! Naiinsecure si duterte sayo mas impossible mga sinasabi mo kesa plataporma nya. Harharhar!

Yellow flag? Nakakatawa talaga kayo mga koya. Ang nagsasalita pabor kay mar yellow ribbon na? ung binanggit kong malaking kakulangan ng mga sagot nya hindi nyo kinulayan ng green violet or magenta? Hahaaha Ang kitid ng mundo nyo kuya, ang daming kulay sa mundo oy...

####
Anybody saw this interview of lucy torres about what went wrong during yolanda relief...

https://youtu.be/P8__RPIrMcQ (https://youtu.be/P8__RPIrMcQ)

 its just very sad, how power trippers can bring even much more suffering to the people they vowed to serve.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 26, 2016, 04:59 PM
DU30 is not bullying Mar, he is just giving it to him face to face.
Si Ma-LP kasi ang naglabas ng mga underhanded attacks kay DU30 sa mga media friends nila para masira si DU30.
Payback lang yan.
Actually Binay, Grace and DU30 were all ganging up on Mar, just as Mar Grace and DU30 were doing the same to Binay.
So the sentiments among the candidates reflect that of the voting public?

Ok na dedmahin ung pangbubully, e ung idenay mo pa lolz... sino sinabihan nyang YOU ARE PRETENTIOUS LEADER, YOU ARE A FRAUD.he can easily say the same words to GP or Binay and he would have done so to GIVE IT TO THEM FACE TO FACE. Pero si mar ang paborito nya.

Did you hear any similar badmouthing he gave to GP?si binay di na siguro kailangan tanungin dahil they were actually licking each others ass openly. To call Binay as more qualified than him -- ang retarded lang tlga. But duderte blind Believers should take his word for it and vote for Binay as he already anointed him publicly.

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 26, 2016, 05:09 PM
DU30 is leading in PMT poll.

Looking at the survey results, do you see a long middle finger?
Or is it just the DU30 effect, hehe

Actually kahit sa sOcial media, whenever they talk about du30 namumutiktik ng "p*tang *na." I guess his supporters wanna show support to their god and are now speaking his tongue. Its a Preview of whats were gonna look like as a country. And I curse too, so its not an issue with me and got no kids to worry about. parents out here like u wilch would now have license to flash ur middle finger to ur wife or children whenever they are having tantrums and they will flash it back to u in agreement. Its du30 leadership brand and f*ck you will be the new amen. Im very excited.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 26, 2016, 05:57 PM
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In the debate, besides his comic relief, siya din nagdalang debate. 1. Remove him and see how it goes, bakawalangmanood. Yes, entertainment factor. Thats also leadership. Look how it answered and asked questions, leading the whole process. 2. Look beyond entertainment, his answers are all straight forward. Others either going around the rotonda, or lie.
What are you talking about “nagdala”? Bilangin mo ilan ang one-liners nyang nakakatawa pero NONSENSE at OFF-TOPIC. Do you remember paano napasok ang usapanng “Wharton graduate”?  Comments meant to deride the “bullied one” Mar.  Im not placing the blame on Duterte, his technical support should have prepared him with substantial arguments or statements, and be more presidential.. or ayaw nya magpaturo ng dapat sabihin? There is an intelligent and classy way of attacking the capability of your opponent other than name-calling, wouldn’t you agree? But if you dont agree, i wont be surprised, kayo din naman dito nila wilch pag walang masabing substantial counter-argument will just call names and brand me. But thats pinoy mentality so I understand. Umaasa pa rin ako darating ang panahon people will be able to STICK TO THE ISSUE. Attack the issue not the person (im repeating in the hope it finally sticks).

Baluktot talaga ang priority minsan. High viewership ba ang habol natin sa debate? E talagang walang manonood kasi utak tele-serye at sitcom at youtube naman ang mga Pilipino. May nanonood ba sa inyo ng BloombergPH after the debate where they made a thorough analysis of the statements of the candidates? :D  O direcho na sa facebook at naglike ng mga meme? Lol. hindi ba ginagamit pang source of official information ang YT, na porket naupload sa youtube, malamang totoo. LOL.Sinong nanood ng 50 minute video ng Yolanda meeting featuring Mar and Romualdez?Sino nanood at nagshareng 17-second version nito?

But this is not just a problem on the citizens. Inquirer engaged its readers with an online question “who among the candidates did you find MOST ENTERTAINING?” Huuwaatttt?? Presidential debate ang pinalabas tapos ang IHA-HIGHLIGHT NYO SINO ENTERTAINING?? Doesn’t that NURTURE THE ALREADY STUPID ELECTORATE? I-encourage pa natin ang kababawan at kabobohan sa panahon ng eleksyon! Kaya madaming bobong botante, media nagpapalaganap ng kabobohan. But atleast their earning heaps of views and earnings from it nevermind that critical thinking is dead.

Straightforward answers? Yes straightforward but nonsense answers.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Mar 26, 2016, 06:02 PM
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Lets remove evryones personlaity. The tough man image of Duterte. the sympathetic image of daughter of fernando. The diskarte image od binay. The mukang ewan image of Roxas. And lets remove all their sweet promises.
What is left?
Performance and track record.... You want neutral? Reverse? Park mode kasiojt?Lets Drive! lets Du30! ;)
OK, gusto ko yan.ALisin mo na rin ang slogans. Anong matitira sa bawat kandidato, ilatag mo dito.

Show me Duterte’s performance and track record. Becoz this is what i've gathered:
http://www.rappler.com/thought-leaders/120239-rodrigo-duterte-elections-2016 (http://www.rappler.com/thought-leaders/120239-rodrigo-duterte-elections-2016)

MAYOR FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS (Vice for those years na namaximize na ang 3-consecutive terms). In short, DYNASTY. He never moved up, never aspired for progress in the entire province or Davao region, just his turf, his kingdom. 25-30 EFFING YEARS?! TALK ABOUT STICKING TO YOUR COMFORT ZONE. Siguro naisip nya din mas mahirap itaboy ang mga criminal outside his turf kung palalawakin nya ang saklaw nya kung mag-Governor or any higher position sya.

So kung tutuusin, pareho lang sila ni Binay. At kaya nya siguro nasabing mas qualified si Binay, kasi pareho silang mayor pero si Binay umakyat sa VP kaya nagkaroon experience sa national position. Sya nganga.

Kung anong posisyon mo ngayon, imaginin mo, hanggang ganyan ka na lang for the next 30 years. Ma-take mo ba? Tapos in your twilight years, pamumunuan mo ang 7,107 islands ng pilipinas, 81 provinces, 42,000 barangays. Ang tanging experience lang na baon mo ay memorize mo ang bawat sulok ng Davao city. Kaya siguro aminado syang Binay is better than him?

It was actually one of my first major issues about du30. He proclaimed so many many times, I DONT WANT TO BE PRESIDENT. O bakit last minute nagpa-save sila ng slot for substitution? ANd other than that, i believe the first thing about high-level leadership such as running for President IS YOU WANT TO BE ONE. AND YOU OWN IT. You should WANT THE JOB BECAUSE YOU WILL BE PRESIDENT 24/7 X 6 YEARS. Hindi yung takbuha pa lang nagpapakipot na, tapos every chance he gets he would make fake threats na "I will withdraw! If the pope says so!" LOL. Its like being in a realtionship with someone who keeps on threatening will break up with you.

So contrary to popular belief that Du30 is a strong leader, the way he's been acting even at the simple decision point of whether to run or not or whether to allow binay to use notes or not, he's really the PABEBE PRESIDENT. And he deserves to be elected because WE ARE A NATION OF CRY BABIES AND WE REALLY NEED A PABEBE YAYA.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: TulogSaPancitan on Mar 26, 2016, 09:18 PM
^ good points.

and if he lose he can always cry that he didn't really intended to run but was just pushed. who pushed him is anybody's guess.

binay is indeed more qualified than him. binay is at least better in diplomacy and management to a larger extent.

his attitude of do it my way or else, can be effective only in small areas. not the whole ph. if people could have seen him do a lengthy senatorial position and he have done positive more people will be convinced of his capabilities. one fcking city? are u kidding me? at least binay did try vp before dipping his hand on it.

this is more of wishful thinking than being real. 6 months really?

in one forum non du30 beliebers are accused of being elitist. but in reality they are just more logical in their choice. even those who chose binay is a bit more convincing in their arguments.

well du30 might win and im scared sh*t for ph. becoz i am a criminal or rapist i was told. i said thanks for the compliments.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 27, 2016, 02:54 PM

 Reverse is oppposite direction isnt it? Opposite of stationary is movement whatever the direction. when I go backward frm a previous backward movement, thats actually forward. Anyway pls dont drive using waze, baka sa creek ka mapunta hahaha


If you drive a car, which forms the context of the R gear, you would know that R (reverse gear) is for going backward.
So can you drive going backward from a standstill?
Can you drive going backward while already going backward?

It was never meant to ba an opposite of the current situation, direction, vector or whatever.

Ok enough of that, kasi if you can't accept that, nothing will change your mind anyway.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 27, 2016, 02:59 PM

What pocket, u cant even see me, pocket ko pa? Omnipotent at omnipresent si sir wilch, dadalhin pa ako sa future! Naiinsecure si duterte sayo mas impossible mga sinasabi mo kesa plataporma nya. Harharhar!

Yellow flag? Nakakatawa talaga kayo mga koya. Ang nagsasalita pabor kay mar yellow ribbon na? ung binanggit kong malaking kakulangan ng mga sagot nya hindi nyo kinulayan ng green violet or magenta? Hahaaha Ang kitid ng mundo nyo kuya, ang daming kulay sa mundo oy...
yolanda relief...


 :(  A missed attempt at figure of speech, my bad.
Should I bring up my level of writing? :huh:
Sad day for literature. :cry:
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 27, 2016, 03:03 PM

si binay di na siguro kailangan tanungin dahil they were actually licking each others ass openly. To call Binay as more qualified than him -- ang retarded lang tlga. But duderte blind Believers should take his word for it and vote for Binay as he already anointed him publicly.

Didn't Binay just complemented him by saying DU30 was qualified to be president and so Binay has no question for DU30?
DU30 was just returning the complement.
Don't be blinded by your dislike for anyone.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 27, 2016, 03:09 PM
Actually kahit sa sOcial media, whenever they talk about du30 namumutiktik ng "p*tang *na." I guess his supporters wanna show support to their god and are now speaking his tongue. Its a Preview of whats were gonna look like as a country. And I curse too, so its not an issue with me and got no kids to worry about. parents out here like u wilch would now have license to flash ur middle finger to ur wife or children whenever they are having tantrums and they will flash it back to u in agreement. Its du30 leadership brand and f*ck you will be the new amen. Im very excited.

Thank you for the special mention ...
But I don't use foul language, almost never (maybe once in a year?)
And I have no need to flash any one of my fingers either.

Your sarcasm is duly noted though.
Need I say you're not for DU30?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Mar 28, 2016, 10:21 AM
Dear bjj, those are super extremely very bad points. Off the mark, i should say.

You may consider it comfort zone when he manages davao for that long. I call that bulok na palusot. There was no clamor for him to run for a higher office. Why should he. In fact that shows he is not power hungry. And davao people loves him.

You may consider Binay better candidate than Duterte because he became a vp which is a higher office. But thanks for that argument. It works the other way around. Binays grand scheme is to win the presidency so his corruption cases go to bins. Kaya nga. And you are falling for binays scheme of using vp position as a stepping stone for presidency to serve his own purpose. I feel sorry that you cant  even see that.

You may consider him a pebebe candidate because of his undecisiveness to run. But this links to the first point i mentioned. There was no clamor before,  he was trying to see how much support he has before running. You go to battle prepared, and he gets free media exposure.  It took 3 long travel of visit by a king in ancient china to ask for the service of this famous military tactician before he finally agreed, a big no first two times and a lot of comvincing being exerted.Eventually he won him tons of battles. Duterte is taking everything into consideration before he ran. You chose to see it in another perspective, a weak perspective at that.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Mar 28, 2016, 10:31 AM

Roxas = reverse. Reverse means paatras. Not pabaliktad. Im pertaining reverse in driving terms.  Its always been under the context of driving terms when this discussion was brought up.

So wilch got it. Paatras si roxas. Kung bulok, mas bulok. Kung umabante  ng isang metro, aatras ng 5 metro. 

So i will say it again.. Roxas= Reverse.

Im amused  by your assumption na you think i meant daang matuwid is positive because kabliktaran si roxas. Lol

Roxas = Reverse. Present tense. Marami magiging masaya kung kayo ang employer. Kasi kahit bulok yun present performace over and over again and never learn yun applicant, you are willing to hire that person pa din, with a higher position. Bwahaha
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Mar 28, 2016, 12:07 PM
Merged this ITLOG at IBON i saw somewhere

Itlog
Duterte - hard boiled
Poe - soft boiled
Binay - Century egg
Roxas - Bugok

Ibon
Duterte - Agila
Poe - Sisiw
Binay - Uwak
Roxas - Colorful Parrot

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: rds on Mar 28, 2016, 12:21 PM
^majority of the OFW's and their family likes duterte, is there a good reason why they should?

duterte has NO "suitable" experience just because he just held local position all his political life?
Is tita Cory (a plain housewife) then more qualified?
Erap was mayor to senator to VP before becoming president, did he then become a good president because of those experience?

I don't know if the problem with Mar is just a "perception", and something to do with PR.
although he may be taken out of context in the Yolanda instance, but for me it is not a character at all of a good leader to mention something "of the mayor being Romualdez, and president being Aquino", and "Bahala kayo sa buhay nyo" at the height of the crisis. Imagine the lives lost and the helplessness of people and you are being "maingat" (daw) of your actions...I mean for what?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Mar 28, 2016, 01:02 PM
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Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Mar 28, 2016, 01:04 PM
Major issue with DU30

A conflict between our military VS communist reds

Remember he promised to give cabinet rank positions to Communist Party Leaders when he becomes President.

Business stability will be negatively affected.

Issue based disadvantage of a DU30 in Malacanan Palace.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Mar 28, 2016, 01:14 PM
^ it depends. Half full or half empty. Being optimistic or being pessimistic.
Im optimistic.

Full statement/transcript of what he said.
http://www.mb.com.ph/duterte-says-npas-welcome-in-malacanang-if-he-becomes-president/
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Mar 28, 2016, 01:25 PM
Im optimistic because for once, we have a chance to have a leader from Mindanao who can give peace a chance.

A leader from Mindanao who is respected by leftists and loved by the people in Mindanao is much better than a leader from "United States" when it comes to this issue right? :)
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Mar 28, 2016, 04:18 PM
I don't know if the problem with Mar is just a "perception", and something to do with PR.
although he may be taken out of context in the Yolanda instance, but for me it is not a character at all of a good leader to mention something "of the mayor being Romualdez, and president being Aquino", and "Bahala kayo sa buhay nyo" at the height of the crisis. Imagine the lives lost and the helplessness of people and you are being "maingat" (daw) of your actions...I mean for what?

Sa tingin ko meron kasi tayong parating negative vibe sa kung sino mang dinadalang kandidato ng kasalukuyang pangulo.
Remember JDV, Gibo, Villar (sya daw talaga ang dinadala ni Gloria) and now its Roxas.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 28, 2016, 08:45 PM
Roxas = reverse. Reverse means paatras. Not pabaliktad. Im pertaining reverse in driving terms.  Its always been under the context of driving terms when this discussion was brought up.

So wilch got it. Paatras si roxas. Kung bulok, mas bulok. Kung umabante  ng isang metro, aatras ng 5 metro.

So i will say it again.. Roxas= Reverse.

Im amused  by your assumption na you think i meant daang matuwid is positive because kabliktaran si roxas. Lol

Roxas = Reverse. Present tense. Marami magiging masaya kung kayo ang employer. Kasi kahit bulok yun present performace over and over again and never learn yun applicant, you are willing to hire that person pa din, with a higher position. Bwahaha

Ok lang yan, promote mo na kasi graduate yan ng Wharton!
hahahha! Kawawang Wharton, libel yata yan!?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 28, 2016, 08:50 PM
^majority of the OFW's and their family likes duterte, is there a good reason why they should?

duterte has NO "suitable" experience just because he just held local position all his political life?
Is tita Cory (a plain housewife) then more qualified?

Don't forget the other Aquino, just as qualified as the first.
The first cursed us (Luzon) with Darkness
The son took the Darkness to the Visayas and Mindanao.

Pasalamat na rin he spared us in Luzon.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 28, 2016, 08:53 PM
ERAP just endorsed Grace and Bongbong
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Mar 29, 2016, 01:39 PM
Im optimistic because for once, we have a chance to have a leader from Mindanao who can give peace a chance.

A leader from Mindanao who is respected by leftists and loved by the people in Mindanao is much better than a leader from "United States" when it comes to this issue right? :)

Î beg to disagree because we already had a past history on sharing power with left leaning groups.  This is the time of Tita Cory's reign as leader of our nation where she appointed several leftist people in government.  These actions caused a deep rift in her Cabinet causing a lot of man made disasters that did threw our country into several coup attempts.

You see if you combine two deep seated idealogies (ultra rightists - led by our police and military and ultra leftists - led by the CPP-NPA) all sharing power in one government, the "GAME OF THRONES" will erupt endlessly, each trying to overthrow the other.

Sana tayo ay nagtanong sa mga pamilya ng mga namatayang sundalo at kapulisan dahil sa kanilang pagtatanggol sa bayan laban sa mga komunista kung kaya nilang tanggapin na ang mga komunista ay makikilahok na sa pamamahala sa gobyerno.

NPA-CPP people will join the government. Goodluck to DU30 if it happens.  If so, our country never learns from its history.

Remember 1986 when Tita Cory hired her leftists friends to run the government hoping that peace will finally be achieved, the OPPOSITE DID HAPPEN.

When will we ever learn?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 30, 2016, 12:53 PM
But Noy is also allied with some Lefties.
Lately lang humiwalay yung iba, kasi election na?
The others are still there.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 30, 2016, 12:55 PM
AND don't forget the BBL ...
which is secession served on a platter with cash thrown in pa!
Is that better than coddling the Muslims in Mindanao?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Mar 30, 2016, 03:08 PM
dear bauer, kudetas during Corys regime were from AFP. Who are they? Are they the NPAs?

And thanks for reminding the scenario be it reasonable or not. Im sure Duterte will learn from history and assign cabinet positions wisely to ensure minimal side effects for the greater good.

And, no, i dont think history will repeat itself.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on Mar 30, 2016, 04:41 PM
(http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y376/bauer2015/digong%201_zpsyiuolfmp.png) (http://s1031.photobucket.com/user/bauer2015/media/digong%201_zpsyiuolfmp.png.html)

(http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y376/bauer2015/digong%202_zpszji8h5od.jpg) (http://s1031.photobucket.com/user/bauer2015/media/digong%202_zpszji8h5od.jpg.html)

So ito pala ang dahilan kung bakit niya sinusulong ang Federalism form of government to create a haven for the communists and rebels so ito pala ang nagdidikta sa kanya.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 31, 2016, 10:37 PM
Sarcasm ba yan sir?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on Apr 01, 2016, 12:30 PM
My analysis

When Poe decided to run for president the people in hiding got worried the Americans may contribute in our battle against insurgency. Baka pati mga amerikano umakyat na ng bundok.

Duterte declared many many times I will not run for president stop it but when he change his mind the only and first reason that comes from his mouth why he decided to run is because he do not want an american president.

One reason Erap loss to Aquino dahil sa ginawa niya sa isang kampo sa Mindanao. And right from the start everybody knows Erap is for Poe.

It's all up to you haka haka ko lang ito.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 01, 2016, 04:57 PM
Vague ang analysis mo sir without a conclusion.
Analyza ko pa kung ano talaga message mo.
Why DU30 is running?
Yung lang ba?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on Apr 01, 2016, 11:01 PM
With that kind of reasoning I don't think he is answering the clamor of the people, his action is clearly for the interest of the leftist and rebels. He came for their rescue. Wala daw siyang mapapala, e ngayon tumakbo siya sinong magbe benefit.

Ito ang conclusion ko. Mas may confidence duon sa mga kandidato na umpisa pa lang ni reveal na nila ang intention nila.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y_TltM_yKw
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Apr 03, 2016, 08:48 AM
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Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 03, 2016, 09:36 AM
(http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y376/bauer2015/digong%203_zpsrojbpq10.jpg) (http://s1031.photobucket.com/user/bauer2015/media/digong%203_zpsrojbpq10.jpg.html)

^ http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/699927/duterte-i-can-hire-more-contractual-workers-to-keep-davao-clean-safe

"In the government, we dont add plantilla positions every year." know the law first.

Get the context right.

Thanks for the post bauer to prove that :
1. Duterte follows the law.
2. Some people will just derail a particular candidate with simple quotes. And sadly, this works especially when the readers dont do due diligence in confirming or double checking.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 03, 2016, 09:53 AM
Parang BATMAN pala si DU30, he wants to kill off the criminals.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 03, 2016, 09:54 AM
Please lang!!
DOn't say Mar is SUPERMAN, just DON'T!
Hahhaha
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 03, 2016, 09:57 AM
In the news the other day, Grace's son Brian is campaigning for her.
Dual citizen din ba si Brian, or US citizen?
Dba he was born in the USA? So natural born US citizen sya.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 03, 2016, 11:50 AM
In the news the other day, Grace's son Brian is campaigning for her.
Dual citizen din ba si Brian, or US citizen?
Dba he was born in the USA? So natural born US citizen sya.


And potential arms race against china... USA will be very happy about it, not losing a single us soldier in case war breaks out. 

http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2016/04/01/1568182/noy-twits-poe-surface-air-missile-issue

Not saying which side is good... this is all too complicated.... But for once, noynoy has a point about the issue...
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 03, 2016, 05:53 PM
And potential arms race against china... USA will be very happy about it, not losing a single us soldier in case war breaks out. 

http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2016/04/01/1568182/noy-twits-poe-surface-air-missile-issue

Not saying which side is good... this is all too complicated.... But for once, noynoy has a point about the issue...

Too late the hero si Nonoy dito.
What triggered this escalation?
Di ba the Navy/CG under NOy arrested and detained some Chinese fishermen in the disputed area?
Who do you think was behind that (our BIG Blunder)?
With a proven US fanboy as DFA Sec, Noy mindlessly irritated China.
Tapos now, sabihan nya si Grace?

I'm not saying Grace said the right thing, how can she? Another US Citizen dba?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: rockford on Apr 03, 2016, 08:53 PM
i was born and raised in davao i have no problem with reds at all we lived in peace and harmony, maybe Loose Bauer Movement cant accept the fact that davao is a peaceful city regardless of belief,religion or status in life. Let me guess mr bauer are you a pure tagalog who lived all your life in metro manila?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 03, 2016, 11:02 PM
^in fairness, no name calling sana kapag walang proof o not related sa usapan yun name call.. Ok sana if to prove a point yun name call na may basis... Hehe

Too late the hero si Nonoy dito.
What triggered this escalation?
Di ba the Navy/CG under NOy arrested and detained some Chinese fishermen in the disputed area?
Who do you think was behind that (our BIG Blunder)?
With a proven US fanboy as DFA Sec, Noy mindlessly irritated China.
Tapos now, sabihan nya si Grace?

I'm not saying Grace said the right thing, how can she? Another US Citizen dba?

I know right, kaya nga for the past 6 years, the relationship with china has been damaged. Pinoy netizens ang lakas ng tira. The same thing, chinese netizens ang lakas din ng galit... Sayang talaga... Putek talaga yun Pivot to Asia na yan. Ginulo ang middle east, ngayon Asia naman. Though details may vary, but in general i think we share the same sentiment here wilch...

Did Poe forsake her us citizenship already? O parang siguristang manliligaw na yun 2 paa nakaapak sa 2 barko?  Kung nabasted sa isa, may isa pa. Poe, magpakalalaki ka! Ayyy... Hindi pwede(bahala kayo kung literally o figuratively)... Hehehe
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Apr 04, 2016, 08:02 AM
^ http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/699927/duterte-i-can-hire-more-contractual-workers-to-keep-davao-clean-safe

"In the government, we dont add plantilla positions every year." know the law first.

Get the context right.

Thanks for the post bauer to prove that :
1. Duterte follows the law.
2. Some people will just derail a particular candidate with simple quotes. And sadly, this works especially when the readers dont do due diligence in confirming or double checking.

^I am just pointing out that in TWO different occasions DU30 made a CONFLICTING POLICY POSITION ON LABOR ISSUE.

I raised this matter to finally try to understand, Ano ba talaga gusto ni DU30 sa labor?  ALLOW or DISALLOW Contractualization ?

You can't do both obviously.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Apr 04, 2016, 08:09 AM
i was born and raised in davao i have no problem with reds at all we lived in peace and harmony, maybe Loose Bauer Movement cant accept the fact that davao is a peaceful city regardless of belief,religion or status in life. Let me guess mr bauer are you a pure tagalog who lived all your life in metro manila?

^Wala po akong issue na magaling si DU30 sa Davao pagdating sa peace and order situation at walang kinalaman ang aking tirahan dahil sumasang ayon naman ako na tahimik ang DAVAO CITY.

Pag sinabi ni DU30 (na isang siga) sa mga kriminal (kapwa siga rin) na umalis kayo ng Davao, may malilipatan pang maraming lugar sa bansa para doon naman manggugulo mga kriminal dahil iyon ang kanilang kabuhayan.

Pag sinabi ni DU30 sa mga kriminal na umalis kayo sa BUONG PILIPINAS, may problema na tayo diyan kasi SAAN PA lilipat ang mga kriminal para ituloy ang kanilang kabuhayan?  SA DAGAT?  Hindi naman po di ba?  Ano gagawin nila?

Lalaban na sila dahil wala na silang mapupuntahan.  Sukol na.  Ano na mangyayari sa pagnenegosyo sa bayan natin?  GULO.  MALAKING GULO.  Hindi natin alam KELAN matatapos.  Gusto ba natin ng Malaking GUlo samantalang ito ang gusto natin IWASAN?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Wills on Apr 04, 2016, 08:40 AM
^Wala po akong issue na magaling si DU30 sa Davao pagdating sa peace and order situation at walang kinalaman ang aking tirahan dahil sumasang ayon naman ako na tahimik ang DAVAO CITY.

Pag sinabi ni DU30 (na isang siga) sa mga kriminal (kapwa siga rin) na umalis kayo ng Davao, may malilipatan pang maraming lugar sa bansa para doon naman manggugulo mga kriminal dahil iyon ang kanilang kabuhayan.

Pag sinabi ni DU30 sa mga kriminal na umalis kayo sa BUONG PILIPINAS, may problema na tayo diyan kasi SAAN PA lilipat ang mga kriminal para ituloy ang kanilang kabuhayan?  SA DAGAT?  Hindi naman po di ba?  Ano gagawin nila?

Lalaban na sila dahil wala na silang mapupuntahan.  Sukol na.  Ano na mangyayari sa pagnenegosyo sa bayan natin?  GULO.  MALAKING GULO.  Hindi natin alam KELAN matatapos.  Gusto ba natin ng Malaking GUlo samantalang ito ang gusto natin IWASAN?

Huh? Bauer I don't get your point here! What do you mean by MALAKING GULO? criminals vs government will result to malaking gulo as in like civil war? What!?!?!

As far as I know we have enough strength and force to fight criminals here in our country it is the politicians who are incompetent! Especially Roxas and Poe (executive wise).

With the right incentives and string political WILL the Philippine crime force can be utilized effectively. And no criminals even the most organized one can fight the government.

Its so simple, all the cards are in the government's hands! We just need the right person to use it all properly.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 04, 2016, 08:58 AM
^I am just pointing out that in TWO different occasions DU30 made a CONFLICTING POLICY POSITION ON LABOR ISSUE.

I raised this matter to finally try to understand, Ano ba talaga gusto ni DU30 sa labor?  ALLOW or DISALLOW Contractualization ?

You can't do both obviously.

The present law does not allow government to hire  plantilla positions , those out of quota,  regularly. Is it that hard to understand bauer?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: patski on Apr 04, 2016, 10:29 AM
AND don't forget the BBL ...
which is secession served on a platter with cash thrown in pa!
Is that better than coddling the Muslims in Mindanao?

Hello.

I'am a Moro born and raised in Manila. My Father is a former MNLF fighter who fought the Marcos regime and the ILAGA, my Grand Father is a veteran of WW2, the Father of my Grand Father fought the American's, my Fore Fathers fought the Spaniards. Simpy put, Moro's has been fighting for their self determination for more than 400 years. You may not realized it but the mistrust is a mutual feeling. Simply because you cannot find a single Moro which do not have a relative that is a member of MILF or MNLF, a single Moro who has a relative that has experience injustice from the Government (please don't let me start on this as it will take morethan one whole page of this forum to list them all). This is just a but one example of a very very very very complicated dynamics we call Mindanao Problem.

We Moro's are tired of war and conflicts (that is the reason why my Father left MNLF and migrated here in Manila) and also want peace (after all the battler field is Mindanao. Not Manila, Luzon, or Visayas) but does it mean we will surrender our right for self determination? That is why MNLF and MILF has entered several agreement with the Government (Tripoli Agreement of 1976 under Marcos, creation of Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao under Cory, Ramos agreement with MNLF, MOA agreement under Gloria, and the failed BBL under Pinoy) as proof.

With the recent failure to pass the BBL, it is very clear that the Government as a whole which are majority from Manila/Luzon or non-Mindanaoans did not understand the underlying dynamics of Mindanao conflict. Not to mention the inherent Constitutional problem/hurdles.

Having said that, the above is the sole reason why DU30 has the Moro vote because of all the candidates, only DU30 trully understand the Mindanao problem. Plus his record of being a fair and just leader.

DU30 calls for Federalism is by far the best solution in our very divided country. I mean, we have the Moro, Communist (which by the way the longest communist struggle in history) and Cordillera Separatist (I'am a half Igorot BTW) issues which greatly hamper our countries development. Prolonging them is a de-service to our nation.

@Wilch

If I may. Have you read the content of BBL? Majority of it is within the boundaries set by the Constitution.

Are we as a Filipinos and a Nation has a moral obligation to find a solutions for this long standing problem? Kaya nga natin pag bigyan si Poe on her citizenship issue and Enrille on his non-bailable case. Why not amend our Constitution for the betterment of millions of Filipino Moro's? After all we will stay in Mindanao.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: patski on Apr 04, 2016, 10:41 AM
Î beg to disagree because we already had a past history on sharing power with left leaning groups.  This is the time of Tita Cory's reign as leader of our nation where she appointed several leftist people in government.  These actions caused a deep rift in her Cabinet causing a lot of man made disasters that did threw our country into several coup attempts.

You see if you combine two deep seated idealogies (ultra rightists - led by our police and military and ultra leftists - led by the CPP-NPA) all sharing power in one government, the "GAME OF THRONES" will erupt endlessly, each trying to overthrow the other.

Sana tayo ay nagtanong sa mga pamilya ng mga namatayang sundalo at kapulisan dahil sa kanilang pagtatanggol sa bayan laban sa mga komunista kung kaya nilang tanggapin na ang mga komunista ay makikilahok na sa pamamahala sa gobyerno.

NPA-CPP people will join the government. Goodluck to DU30 if it happens.  If so, our country never learns from its history.

Remember 1986 when Tita Cory hired her leftists friends to run the government hoping that peace will finally be achieved, the OPPOSITE DID HAPPEN.

When will we ever learn?

So sir Bauer what would be the best solution for the NPA's and Moro's? If we cannot do it in a peaceful manner, shall we opt to a violent options? If so, we should do it to the end, no half way. As Atty. Bundal said, bring all our Arm forces and kill all of them including the cockroaches.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 04, 2016, 03:02 PM

My Father is a former MNLF fighter who fought the Marcos regime and the ILAGA, my Grand Father is a veteran of WW2, the Father of my Grand Father fought the American's, my Fore Fathers fought the Spaniards.

You forgot to mention that you are still fighting the GOVERNMENT up to now.

Simpy put, Moro's has been fighting for their self determination for more than 400 years.

Correct. That is precisely why I don't understand why the govt has to give in to rebels. The right way to handle this is squash the rebellion and the rebels. Then talk afterwards. Palpak lang at corrupt kasi ang mga leaders at generals kaya simmering pa rin ang rebellion.

You may not realized it but the mistrust is a mutual feeling. Simply because you cannot find a single Moro which do not have a relative that is a member of MILF or MNLF, a single Moro who has a relative that has experience injustice from the Government (please don't let me start on this as it will take morethan one whole page of this forum to list them all). This is just a but one example of a very very very very complicated dynamics we call Mindanao Problem.

You just admitted that all Moros are rebels.

We Moro's are tired of war and conflicts (that is the reason why my Father left MNLF and migrated here in Manila) and also want peace (after all the battler field is Mindanao. Not Manila, Luzon, or Visayas) but does it mean we will surrender our right for self determination? That is why MNLF and MILF has entered several agreement with the Government (Tripoli Agreement of 1976 under Marcos, creation of Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao under Cory, Ramos agreement with MNLF, MOA agreement under Gloria, and the failed BBL under Pinoy) as proof.

Why are you special? More special than say, the Visayans or the Illonggos? Why do you need a sub govt? Give up the rebellion and join main stream community of RP. Exercise your vote like every other Filipino and experience self determination.

With the recent failure to pass the BBL, it is very clear that the Government as a whole which are majority from Manila/Luzon or non-Mindanaoans did not understand the underlying dynamics of Mindanao conflict. Not to mention the inherent Constitutional problem/hurdles.

Thank Allah! Issue of mistrust as you said.

Having said that, the above is the sole reason why DU30 has the Moro vote because of all the candidates, only DU30 trully understand the Mindanao problem. Plus his record of being a fair and just leader.

DU30 calls for Federalism is by far the best solution in our very divided country. I mean, we have the Moro, Communist (which by the way the longest communist struggle in history) and Cordillera Separatist (I'am a half Igorot BTW) issues which greatly hamper our countries development. Prolonging them is a de-service to our nation.

@Wilch

If I may. Have you read the content of BBL? Majority of it is within the boundaries set by the Constitution.

Mostly legal is still NOT LEGAL.

Are we as a Filipinos and a Nation has a moral obligation to find a solutions for this long standing problem? Kaya nga natin pag bigyan si Poe on her citizenship issue and Enrille on his non-bailable case. Why not amend our Constitution for the betterment of millions of Filipino Moro's? After all we will stay in Mindanao.

Until the Moros laid down their arms and give up their rebellion, they waive their right as Filipinos.

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Apr 05, 2016, 04:51 PM
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Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Apr 05, 2016, 04:57 PM
Huh? Bauer I don't get your point here! What do you mean by MALAKING GULO? criminals vs government will result to malaking gulo as in like civil war? What!?!?!
 

^Yes naniniwala ako na tototohanin ni DU30 na labanan ang mga kriminal tulad ng kanyang pangako at sigurado ako na magdudulot ito ng MALAKING GULO (maaaring hindi civil war) pero GULO pa rin kasi nagbigay siya ng taning na ---- 6 na BUWAN. 

Sa 6 na buwan sapat ba ang panahon para malaman mo kung sino ang totoong kriminal at sa inosenteng nadawit lamang?  Ang ating panginoong hesu kristo nga malapit na sa huli bago niya sinabing magtataksil sa kanya si Judas Iscariot na isa niyang disipolo.

6 na buwan para malaman mo kung sino ang masasama sa mga mabubuti.  May kakayahan ba tayo alamin ito sa loob ng 6 na buwan?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 05, 2016, 07:47 PM
Mas iboboto ko pa din ang isang  paa na nakaangat sa mesa,

Kesa sa ang 2 paa nakaapak sa 2 magkaibang barko. Hakbang sa kabila kung lumubog ang isa. Walang paninindigan. Ayaw bitawan muna yun isang citizenship.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Apr 06, 2016, 09:28 AM
So sir Bauer what would be the best solution for the NPA's and Moro's? If we cannot do it in a peaceful manner, shall we opt to a violent options? If so, we should do it to the end, no half way. As Atty. Bundal said, bring all our Arm forces and kill all of them including the cockroaches.

^^ It takes two enemies to accept the dove of peace.  Kapag isa lang ang willing, wala pa rin tayong kapayapaan.

I do not adhere to a violent options kapag hindi nakuha ang "peace settlement" sa takdang panahon ng isang lider.  Ang pag uusap sa kapayapaan ay dapat tuloy-tuloy at dapat mahaba ang pisi ng pasensya.

Noong panahon ni Pres. Ramos, he declared a truce pact with the NPAs and Moro rebels.  Nagkaroon ng peace accord sa isang faction ng Moro rebels (MILF) pero walang nangyari sa NPAs.  Habang nag uusap ng kapayapaan, napaganda at napaunlad ni Pres. Ramos ang ekonomiya ng ating bansa.

Ang ganitong stratehiya ay dapat ituloy ng susunod na mamumuno sa bansa.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: francesdeniel on Apr 06, 2016, 10:42 AM
Mar Roxas
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Ironkiwi on Apr 06, 2016, 11:36 AM
I will go for Mar Roxas now
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Wills on Apr 06, 2016, 01:46 PM
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Foul si Duterte dito I do not tolerate this kind of behaviour but I will still support him for President. This kind of behaviour are easy to correct but the kind of attitude of Mar Roxas towards his country is unacceptable, there is no real love for his countrymen.


@bauer

I'm curious, why are you voting for a G Poe that has no executive experience?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 06, 2016, 02:14 PM
So sir Bauer what would be the best solution for the NPA's and Moro's? If we cannot do it in a peaceful manner, shall we opt to a violent options? If so, we should do it to the end, no half way. As Atty. Bundal said, bring all our Arm forces and kill all of them including the cockroaches.

^^ It takes two enemies to accept the dove of peace.  Kapag isa lang ang willing, wala pa rin tayong kapayapaan.

I do not adhere to a violent options kapag hindi nakuha ang "peace settlement" sa takdang panahon ng isang lider.  Ang pag uusap sa kapayapaan ay dapat tuloy-tuloy at dapat mahaba ang pisi ng pasensya.

Noong panahon ni Pres. Ramos, he declared a truce pact with the NPAs and Moro rebels.  Nagkaroon ng peace accord sa isang faction ng Moro rebels (MILF) pero walang nangyari sa NPAs.  Habang nag uusap ng kapayapaan, napaganda at napaunlad ni Pres. Ramos ang ekonomiya ng ating bansa.

Ang ganitong stratehiya ay dapat ituloy ng susunod na mamumuno sa bansa.

The way I see it. there are 2 major problems involved.
The first is that the Moros want independence, plain and simple. They're just trying to get it a piece at a time, not peace.

The second is that they are not unified in the same way our govt is. No one group is really accountable to another. So there really can't be any conclusive peace talk even if they so desire, which  ... see my first point.

In view of these 2 facts, no peace talk with them will ever prosper unless we are willing to give up part of Mindanao and let them secede.
Since that is not an acceptable solution, the only other solution is to subdue the rebellion, violently if necessary.
This is the truth, it may be harsh but it is what it is.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Wills on Apr 07, 2016, 02:15 AM
The way I see it. there are 2 major problems involved.
The first is that the Moros want independence, plain and simple. They're just trying to get it a piece at a time, not peace.

The second is that they are not unified in the same way our govt is. No one group is really accountable to another. So there really can't be any conclusive peace talk even if they so desire, which  ... see my first point.

In view of these 2 facts, no peace talk with them will ever prosper unless we are willing to give up part of Mindanao and let them secede.
Since that is not an acceptable solution, the only other solution is to subdue the rebellion, violently if necessary.
This is the truth, it may be harsh but it is what it is.

This comment is powerful! Totally agree!
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Apr 07, 2016, 06:42 AM
Ang tanong, alam pa ba nila kung ano pinaglalaban nila?

Malaki kasi ang kaibahan ng pakikibaka para sa pakikipaghiwalay nila sa gobyerno at pangkuha ng sapilitan sa mga dayuhan o kapwa Pilipino.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 08, 2016, 12:28 PM
Ang tanong, alam pa ba nila kung ano pinaglalaban nila?

Malaki kasi ang kaibahan ng pakikibaka para sa pakikipaghiwalay nila sa gobyerno at pangkuha ng sapilitan sa mga dayuhan o kapwa Pilipino.

I believe the majority of them do - independence from the current RP govt and establish a Muslim state.

I don't quite get your 2nd statement.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Apr 11, 2016, 12:11 PM

The antipolitical in politics by Randy S. David

http://opinion.inquirer.net/94227/the-antipolitical-in-politics (http://opinion.inquirer.net/94227/the-antipolitical-in-politics)
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 11, 2016, 02:16 PM
SWS Polls 1st Qtr 2016 Leader is

DU30!
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 12, 2016, 04:06 PM
Yun survey dito, leading din si duterte.

Survey ng 7-11 Gulp drinks wherein customers can choose the candidates cup, duterte din.

Eto yun mga surveys na alam mong malinis.

As to those surveys like pulse, sws,  mahirap ako paniwalain, feeling ko dinoktor para magmukang may laban tapos sa bandang huli, alam na, kung baga para wwe professional wrestling, scripted. Akin lamang.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 13, 2016, 08:58 AM
DU30 leading in 2 surveys.
Stay vigilant.
Baka trap lang eto to lull DU30 camp and the public into complacency.
Then Yellow Army will strike - rig the surveys (which had by then gained back some credibility) to favor their candidate so COMELEC can follow suit.

Question is who is their REAL Candidate? Is she for real?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 13, 2016, 09:05 AM
Yun survey dito, leading din si duterte.

Survey ng 7-11 Gulp drinks wherein customers can choose the candidates cup, duterte din.

Eto yun mga surveys na alam mong malinis.

As to those surveys like pulse, sws,  mahirap ako paniwalain, feeling ko dinoktor para magmukang may laban tapos sa bandang huli, alam na, kung baga para wwe professional wrestling, scripted. Akin lamang.

Sorry sir, malinis doesn't equate to correct.
Kasi sa drinks pwedeng multiple times bumili, pwede rin bata who doesn't give a damn.

Having said that, in our circles marami na rin nag DU30.
What is more telling is that among those undecided, karamihan ang sagot ay:

"Di ko pa alam, basta huwag lang Binay or Roxas!"

BOOM!
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 13, 2016, 09:31 AM
Sorry sir, malinis doesn't equate to correct.
Kasi sa drinks pwedeng multiple times bumili, pwede rin bata who doesn't give a damn.

Having said that, in our circles marami na rin nag DU30.
What is more telling is that among those undecided, karamihan ang sagot ay:

"Di ko pa alam, basta huwag lang Binay or Roxas!"

BOOM!

Haha.. tama ka dyan, malinis, pero it doesnot translate to real votes since yun nga, may minors, unregistered voters etc...

Binay logic : "In the end, its between me and Roxas who have the political machinery to win it all"
Pero panay tira now kay Duterte, hindi kay Roxas. Ang dilim ng logic niya hehe...

Duterte: Pambansang berdugo ng criminal
Binay : Pambansang berdugo ng pera ng bayan.
Roxas : Pambansang bum.
Poe : Pambansang banyaga
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 13, 2016, 09:40 AM
Bakit kaya feel ko DU30 ang candidate ni sir GS?
haha
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 13, 2016, 09:51 AM
Bakit kaya feel ko DU30 ang candidate ni sir GS?
haha

Haha.. im not denying naman...

eto kakalabas lang:

http://news.abs-cbn.com/halalan2016/video/nation/04/12/16/poe-changes-tack-focuses-on-crime

Du30 din candidate ni Poe, "nakikicriminality" na din siya...lol
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 13, 2016, 09:55 AM
It seems DU30 has a good chance of winning the May 2016 Election ....
but SINO kaya mananalo sa COUNTING??
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Apr 13, 2016, 10:06 AM
^^^^
Hindi pa yan sure, kasi dapat daw 15 ang layo sa survey para masabing sure win

DU30 leading in 2 surveys.
Stay vigilant.
Baka trap lang eto to lull DU30 camp and the public into complacency.
Then Yellow Army will strike - rig the surveys (which had by then gained back some credibility) to favor their candidate so COMELEC can follow suit.

Question is who is their REAL Candidate? Is she for real?

Ako nagtataka sa dos bakit sige pa-survey.....

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Apr 13, 2016, 02:38 PM
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Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 13, 2016, 03:25 PM
Bauer, oh bauer... you can do better than that....


http://pinoytrendingnews.net/kin-of-dead-davao-journalist-speaks-up-defends-duterte-from-malicious-rumor-peddled-by-trolls/

https://www.facebook.com/angeligalope/posts/930868323634694 (https://www.facebook.com/angeligalope/posts/930868323634694)
Angeli Bueza Galope
December 11, 2015 ·
Time to give my two cents on this black propaganda thing.
Hurrah for you, Mr. Montalvan (black propaganda columnist) for spreading false rumors on the internet. First of all, my late grandfather was not a journalist. Second, my family knows the whole story of how and why he was murdered and it doesn't match your version (it's not even close). Third, justice has already been served. Fourth, you're pathetic and you disgust me. Get your facts straight.


Accomplice of spreading false rumors is as pathetic and disgusting btw. Alam na.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on Apr 13, 2016, 08:58 PM
Ano itong mga balitang ito?

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/davao/local-news/2016/03/03/3-davao-city-jail-inmates-caught-pot-session-460601

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/702195/davao-city-now-smuggling-hub-says-agri-group 

Kaya ba 3 times ng na postpone ang Sasa port project dahil sa ganyang mga gawain. Anu yang mga kasinungalingan na sinasabi nilang ang mga kriminal natatakot sa kanya.

Ayaw niyang tumakbo noon pero nang sinuportahan siya ng mga tax evaders crooked chinese businessmen kumandidato siya. Tapos sasabihin niya huwag bumoto sa corrupt.

Ano ang gagawin niya sa spratly ang pinaglalaban natin sa UN babalewalain niya ibebenta niya?

Sumusuporta siya sa mga NPA, mga rebeldeng muslim, Mga taong tutoong pumapatay

Sabihin niya lang ng otso diretso ng live sa TV, Walang kriminal sa bayan ko, hindi ako corrupt. Iboboto ko siya.

Huwag siyang magsinungaling, Huwag siyang manloko ng tao, walang gaguhan.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 13, 2016, 10:32 PM
Ano itong mga balitang ito?

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/davao/local-news/2016/03/03/3-davao-city-jail-inmates-caught-pot-session-460601

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/702195/davao-city-now-smuggling-hub-says-agri-group 

Kaya ba 3 times ng na postpone ang Sasa port project dahil sa ganyang mga gawain. Anu yang mga kasinungalingan na sinasabi nilang ang mga kriminal natatakot sa kanya.

Ayaw niyang tumakbo noon pero nang sinuportahan siya ng mga tax evaders crooked chinese businessmen kumandidato siya. Tapos sasabihin niya huwag bumoto sa corrupt.

Ano ang gagawin niya sa spratly ang pinaglalaban natin sa UN babalewalain niya ibebenta niya?

Sumusuporta siya sa mga NPA, mga rebeldeng muslim, Mga taong tutoong pumapatay

Sabihin niya lang ng otso diretso ng live sa TV, Walang kriminal sa bayan ko, hindi ako corrupt. Iboboto ko siya.

Huwag siyang magsinungaling, Huwag siyang manloko ng tao, walang gaguhan.

Your link number 1.... Read again pls! Lol
Your link number 2.... Paki followup...then...?  9 months and counting.... Then..? Meron pa ba?

Your opinion. I respect your biased opinion, even though you will think Im the one who is biased.... Lol.... Just dont vote for him, you dont have to need proof  to change your mind.. You dont like him then dont vote for him....



Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on Apr 14, 2016, 01:04 AM
 I only wanted people to know more about him. And I will continue to do so.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: myrmidon on Apr 14, 2016, 06:21 AM
Hi guys!

Ano sa tingin nyo...

http://www.thinkingpinoy.net/2016/03/keeping-things-in-perspective-political.html (http://www.thinkingpinoy.net/2016/03/keeping-things-in-perspective-political.html)
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 14, 2016, 08:29 AM
I only wanted people to know more about him. And I will continue to do so.

Which candidate are you supporting, sir?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 14, 2016, 08:40 AM
Since may mga label na lumabas for the candidates, to wit:

the NOVICE
the CORRUPT
the INCOMPETENT
the KILLER

Why limit each candidate to just one label?

For example,
Roxas is incompetent, but he is also corrupt.
Whereas Binay may extort money for favors, Roxas may give out or withhold govt resources for favors.

I have to say that the KILLER label is applicable only to DU30 just as the NOVICE tag is for Grace only.

Is Grace competent? We don't know yet. Puro talkies palang up to now.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jsoriano on Apr 14, 2016, 12:01 PM
The  :cool2: est presidential candidate
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Apr 14, 2016, 12:51 PM
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Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 14, 2016, 01:52 PM
^ YOu mentioned that POE is supported by Danding (a crony of Marcos) and I did not deny it.

I mentioned that DU30 is supported by Zamora (Nickel mines) and Ongpin (Alphaland) and you want it to be substantiated?  I thought you are a loyal Duterte supporter (you should know your candidate better).  Please go to PSE and people will tell you who are the big businessmen supporting him.  It is known in the financial world.

Lipat natin dito.  Oh really? Hear say? lol... Show one article, kahit opinion based na article lang... Granting they really support him,  it does not matter . Because Im not anti bongbong.  I actually  havent decided yet if Im voting for Bong bong or cayetano.

And you miss your point. You hate bongbong but you want to vote for a cronie supported Poe. Even arguing through speculations that Binay and Roxas, MAYBE, as you said, are supported by Marcos  cronies as well.

And I repeat, your reasoning is so clouded now that you cant have both ends meet. Hating bongbong while supporting a candidate supported by someone who the Marcoses have made rich.

I like Trillanes's figure of speech. lol
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Apr 14, 2016, 02:14 PM

I have to say that the KILLER label is applicable only to DU30 just as the NOVICE tag is for Grace only.

Is Grace competent? We don't know yet. Puro talkies palang up to now.

Pabagu bago kasi si Grace Poe ng press releases sa mga gusto nyang mangyari compare sa mga ginawa nyang pagboto sa mga nakaraang issue sa senado (katulad ng sa coco levy fund).
Sana sa susunod na debate ipakita  yung mga nakaraang mga supported cases nila. Kung anu ano ang mga binoto nila (for the senators) at kung ano ang mga ginawa nilang mga proyekto habang nakaupo.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: freefront on Apr 15, 2016, 12:20 AM
I visited 2 friends last Monday. On my way there, I managed to irritate myself with reasons why my babies don't let me drive and why i still have a normal blood pressure. I am talking streets clogged with illegally parked vehicles infront of tiny houses with narrow roads, mga jeep na nakatigil sa kanto ng busy na intersection, mga jaywalkers, mga labahan sa kalsada, kalsadang ginawang extension ng bahay nila, may inuman pa at karaoke with matching hubad na mga tomador, etc.

It occurred to me, how can people be so taken with Duterte to the point where civility is lost--- I mean labas talaga ang kagaspangan ng ugali, as in people get crass---and they don't take into account that if he becomes president, we will have an equivalent of a class war? Think about it. Who gets hit first when the drive to clean up the streets from undesirables starts? Who will lose their source of livelihood first? Who makes bad decisions due to lack of options? Who gets most affected with the disruptions?

Duterte makes fantastic promises. What if Erap wins and he'll get into a perverse pissing contest with Duterte? They are a couple of old loudmouths, right? Will the elected local officials play nice with him?

On to Grace Poe Llamanzares. When asked if her husband is still an American, she actually said "it is not an issue right now."  Uggghhhh......

BTW, Llamanzares' parents said their son has dual citizenship, and that he already renounced his American citizenship. I, for one, would like to know when so I can be proven right on the character of Grace Poe hah!

---An expat client is obviously enjoying our political circus. As soon as she was up from the dental chair, she asked if I watched the VP debate. I said " No." A lot of winter birds this year that kept me busy. And then she said BongBong Marcos said stuff like " how can I return something I don't have ( da loot, da loot)". Will I vote for him, she asked again. I said, no. I don't want him near Malacanang, at all, at all. And Dear Duterte said he'll just hand over the Presidency to Bongbong if he's unable to continue his term. Ok.

---another non-resident asked, is the gov't. left or right? I said, center---for now  :)



Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 15, 2016, 12:59 PM
The Race is Heating up.
Newest target is DU30 due to his lead in the recent "surveys"
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 15, 2016, 01:02 PM
Issue against Grace is her lack of experience in govt, particularly in the executive department.
Issue against DU30 is that he is a killer.

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: TulogSaPancitan on Apr 15, 2016, 04:13 PM
most of my admired colleagues in professional and academe are not rooting for duterte. even my fav local artists reject the idea. im not surprised. that's what i expect from these level of people.

but i found one who did. last week i have a chat with an ex officemate and as usual we discuss politics. i pressed what is his reason for supporting du30. turns out the main reason is that he is from davao. that's it? i asked him if he supports dutertes way with supposed criminals, cursing the pope and his way with women. how about his open alliance with npa and his pussy stand against china. mental acrobatics then ensued. i ended the conversation cuz his reasoning is becoming silly. he believes revolutionary tax may be acceptable in some circumstances.

i ate my lunch with a bad taste in my throat.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 15, 2016, 06:26 PM
most of my admired colleagues in professional and academe are not rooting for duterte. even my fav local artists reject the idea. im not surprised. that's what i expect from these level of people.


You sounded like the condescending MarNoy ah, hehe.
Sinabit mo pa colleagues mo.
Ano bang pro and academe sila?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 15, 2016, 07:22 PM
^^quick singit lang, if i remember right, that guy, From previous discussion, walang paki yan kung sino magiging presidente. Ang opinion lang niya is anyone umupo wag lang si Duterte.

Sino kalevel niya dito? Lol

Susunod nalang yun ibang puntos...

I stand corrected, not walang paki, a quarter  interested pala.. Lol

^
@bajoyjoy,
thanks for that detailed breakdown. i’m only half (or quarter) interested in the presidency, on who will win and how it will affect us. i just hope duterte will not win coz that is my worst case scenario. others i can tolerate dahil wala rin choice. even that intergalactic representative (nadisqualify na yata).

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: TulogSaPancitan on Apr 16, 2016, 01:49 AM
You sounded like the condescending MarNoy ah, hehe.
Sinabit mo pa colleagues mo.
Ano bang pro and academe sila?

am i? how can you say :D? sorry but im not. im one of those undecided. i just know who not to vote for. du30 and bbm. who will win other than these is acceptable to me. most of my friends are pro miriam or mar. but i have this feeling miriam will die before she even get elected. pity.

debate is getting heated. but to me it same ol', same ol'.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: TulogSaPancitan on Apr 16, 2016, 01:53 AM
^^quick singit lang, if i remember right, that guy, From previous discussion, walang paki yan kung sino magiging presidente. Ang opinion lang niya is anyone umupo wag lang si Duterte.



yes i am. im a risk engineer. the risk with du30 is too much for me to accept. that son a female dog has an open alliance with fcking npa. if he win, npa will become strong. chaos all over again. business climate will be ruined. discipline? can he discipline the npa? i guess not.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: freefront on Apr 16, 2016, 04:59 AM
For a guy who has always been ambivalent about becoming a president and has been shooting his foot every which way he can so as to leave a door for him to get out of the race, he did it again. He will solve crime in 3-6 months by way of the police. Dahil alam na daw ng police kung ano ang ang gagawin nila. Dodoblehin na lang ang sweldo, bibigyan ng mga abogado, and he will exact the kaukulang serbisyo. Simple. He just might win. Trump can still get out of the race by way of self-sabotage. Si Duterte, sobrang lapit na nag eleksyon.

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 16, 2016, 08:31 AM
yes i am. im a risk engineer. the risk with du30 is too much for me to accept. that son a female dog has an open alliance with fcking npa. if he win, npa will become strong. chaos all over again. business climate will be ruined. discipline? can he discipline the npa? i guess not.

To each his own view. I take the unifying factor view.  Your extreme view is just as extreme as Roxas will run the country ground by doing nothing. Just as extreme as Binay will pocket everything down to his pocket. Just as extreme as Poe will sell this country to the United States.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 16, 2016, 08:35 AM
For a guy who has always been ambivalent about becoming a president and has been shooting his foot every which way he can so as to leave a door for him to get out of the race, he did it again. He will solve crime in 3-6 months by way of the police. Dahil alam na daw ng police kung ano ang ang gagawin nila. Dodoblehin na lang ang sweldo, bibigyan ng mga abogado, and he will exact the kaukulang serbisyo. Simple. He just might win. Trump can still get out of the race by way of self-sabotage. Si Duterte, sobrang lapit na nag eleksyon.

Naku magdilang anghel kayo,sana nga manalo siya. I dont see him winning .

Chances are, it is going to be  Fidel Ramos vs Defensor Santiago Part 2.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 16, 2016, 11:45 AM
Mga kilala namin na pro Mar last year, evaporated na ang support.
Dialogue nila last year: "Huwag lang si Binay!"

Today : "Huwag lang si Mar at Binay!"

Hindi naman sila mga academe, they mostly live in the real world.
Pero meron Atenista, pati young ones like friends of my kids
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 16, 2016, 11:48 AM
Naku magdilang anghel kayo,sana nga manalo siya. I dont see him winning .

Chances are, it is going to be  Fidel Ramos vs Defensor Santiago Part 2.

Hmmm ...

Fidel 2 = DU30?
Miriam 2 = Grace?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 16, 2016, 01:01 PM
Hmmm ...

Fidel 2 = DU30?
Miriam 2 = Grace?

Fun coding, personal interpretation muna... Hehe
For me,
Fidel 2 = Grace (Mar is dark horse though)
Mirriam 2 = Du30... Hehe

Take note : i just observed that recent survey updates trying deviate from "Fidel-Mirriam image" where Mirriam lead all the way until you know what happened....

Just my kuro kuro. Lets see how the last survey results will be on the week before election or whenever it is.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Apr 17, 2016, 11:35 AM
https://www.facebook.com/516374158480787/videos/917157341735798/
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 17, 2016, 12:01 PM
https://www.facebook.com/516374158480787/videos/917157341735798/

Yun link above:

Parang si Roxas - not available kung kelangan mo, i mean not available kahit kelan.
Parang si Binay - not available na pundo ng bayan.
Parang si Poe - not available na executive experience besides reviewing movies , not available pa pagkapilipino natin.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: leelou on Apr 17, 2016, 03:06 PM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10208020121573825&set=a.1038004123325.8307.1622167097&type=3&permPage=1

tagal mag-issue ng apology ng duterte camp.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 17, 2016, 05:06 PM
Pwede bang i-post nalang yan picture or whatever DITO?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: TulogSaPancitan on Apr 17, 2016, 06:25 PM
does gabriela withdrawing support to duterte for this tasteless rape joke? i guess not. nwei they are pro du30 first then pro cpp 2nd and pro women somewhere in 13th or 14th.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 17, 2016, 09:13 PM
^a bad joke indeed..

Implementation of our laws is also a very big joke.  We dont even take corruption seriously. What a joke.

This may sway some votes away.

But for me his public service  outweighs this verbal tasteless joke.
While the other candidates, their public service is THE joke.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Apr 18, 2016, 07:38 AM
Pansin ko, karaniwan sa may stickers ng Duterte 2016 e mga public utility drivers, mga nagtitinda sa side walk, mga nakabalahaw sa daan na sasakyan at iba pang pasaway sa kalye. Gusto ko tuloy silang itanong kung kaya ba nilang pangatawanan yan kapag nanalo si duterte e mga numerong pasaway sa katrapikan ang mga taong ito.

Yung kayang mga boboto sa kay Duterte handa sila sa mga pagbabago at paghihigpit na inaalok nya? O nakikisabay lang talaga sila sa boto ng karamihan?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 18, 2016, 08:56 AM
What did DU30 say!!???
That is an outrageous statement about the hostage killed sometime ago.
If only there is another viable candidate, I would have dropped him right now.

Grace? Thinking hard now ....
BTW how do we change our vote? hehe, just in case lang.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 18, 2016, 09:02 AM
A different version of that dialogue has come out in Philippine Star.
It was not as bad.
DU30 also says he won't apologize.

Any verbatim quotation out there?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: myrmidon on Apr 18, 2016, 09:12 AM
Duterte's narrative of the 1989 hostage taking

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1314648925218055&id=1002068056476145 (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1314648925218055&id=1002068056476145)
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 18, 2016, 09:27 AM
How can "Daang Matuwid" be a NICKNAME???!!

AND how can it be the nicknames of BOTH Mar AND Leni?!?!?
Ano naman kagaguhan ng COMELEC at na approve yan!?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 18, 2016, 09:48 AM
A different version of that dialogue has come out in Philippine Star.
It was not as bad.
DU30 also says he won't apologize.

Any verbatim quotation out there?

Also in inquirer...

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/779961/duterte-apologizes-to-filipinos-for-gutter-language-over-1989-rape-slay-of-foreign-missionary (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/779961/duterte-apologizes-to-filipinos-for-gutter-language-over-1989-rape-slay-of-foreign-missionary)

Quote exerpts
It was not a joke. I said it as a narrative. I was not smiling,” Duterte told reporters, on the same day he was lambasted on social media for his alleged joke during a speech in a campaign rally.

Do not make me apologize for something which I did not do. It’s a matter of honor… I said it in the heat of anger,” he said.

In this particular — ginawa ko eh — I am invoking the Invictus line [I am the master of my fate, I am the captain of my soul],” he said.
I am sorry in general. I am sorry to the Filipino people,” Duterte added.
Duterte blamed his mouth for the words he uttered in the heat of the moment.”It’s my style, it’s my mouth. I said it in the heat of anger.
But listen to the story behind. ‘Wag kayo basta na lang paambak-ambak diyan (Don’t just jump to conclusions),” he said.

Read the whole article para malaman pa kung ano and sinabi niya...

Ganyan talaga, hahanapin  ang butas ng karayom. Fiesta mode mga non duterte supporters. Some weak votes may even be swayed.

I'm not saying what he said was right. But what can we do, he is who he is, his mouth may stink, but his public service and courage dont. The latter outweighs the former for me.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 18, 2016, 10:09 AM
With the way our media covering the stories,

And if we are still living in a non social networking no internet world,

Duterte and Binay and Mirriam will have absolutely 0 chance of winning. Absolutely none.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 18, 2016, 10:36 AM
Swipe/scroll  the picture to the right to see the truth. not just spliced up out of context remarks... It takes effort to dig in to the truth these days.

Shame on you Philippine Star. Makulit din kayo ano, di nga joke yun, it was a narrative.

NOTE : Philippine Shitar not just only spliced up the video, they even spliced up the quoted sentence in the caption. "Do not make me apologize for something which I did, WHICH wAS CALLED FOR AT THAT MOMENT (referring to the hostage crisis action)"

(http://s1.postimg.org/nf6l6cc73/Duterte_interview.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
screenshot windows (http://postimage.org/app.php)

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 18, 2016, 11:11 AM
"BAT tahimik dito? Wala kayong ENVELOPE sige kayo."   bwahahaha
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: TulogSaPancitan on Apr 18, 2016, 06:20 PM
Pansin ko, karaniwan sa may stickers ng Duterte 2016 e mga public utility drivers, mga nagtitinda sa side walk, mga nakabalahaw sa daan na sasakyan at iba pang pasaway sa kalye. Gusto ko tuloy silang itanong kung kaya ba nilang pangatawanan yan kapag nanalo si duterte e mga numerong pasaway sa katrapikan ang mga taong ito.

Yung kayang mga boboto sa kay Duterte handa sila sa mga pagbabago at paghihigpit na inaalok nya? O nakikisabay lang talaga sila sa boto ng karamihan?

it's bandwagon effect. you know what is funny? pious people promoting an self confessed murderer. sadder is that he even brags about it and promise to do more in future. they justify it that it's god calling the imperfect person. goodbye brains.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 18, 2016, 07:59 PM
does gabriela withdrawing support to duterte for this tasteless rape joke? i guess not. nwei they are pro du30 first then pro cpp 2nd and pro women somewhere in 13th or 14th.

May statement na against what DU30 said
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 18, 2016, 08:02 PM
Duterte's narrative of the 1989 hostage taking

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1314648925218055&id=1002068056476145 (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1314648925218055&id=1002068056476145)

Mas pangit translation ng Inquirer sa English. On purpose?
Any which way, mali pa rin si DU30 dito.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 18, 2016, 08:06 PM
it's bandwagon effect. you know what is funny? pious people promoting an self confessed murderer. sadder is that he even brags about it and promise to do more in future. they justify it that it's god calling the imperfect person. goodbye brains.

Actually the REALLY SAD thing about this is how we opted to vote for DU30 BECAUSE the other Candidates are more FLAWED.

IS that ALL we GOT in PINAS!??!?!
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 18, 2016, 08:08 PM
As of now, a Candidate only needs 35% of the votes to WIN
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 18, 2016, 08:16 PM
How can "Daang Matuwid" be a NICKNAME???!!

AND how can it be the nicknames of BOTH Mar AND Leni?!?!?
Ano naman kagaguhan ng COMELEC at na approve yan!?

Swerte ni Mar at si Leni.
Tinabunan ng DU30 news.

Pero curiously, wala sa Star at Inquirer etong "illegal" or at least anomalous deed na eto.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Wills on Apr 18, 2016, 11:58 PM
I'm still for Duterte.

"The older I get the more I listen to actions than words' ~ Andrew Carnegie
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: pulubing_palaboy on Apr 19, 2016, 03:28 AM
so duterte said it was not a joke but a narrative
he narrated that as mayor, he should have been first in line to rape the victim. isn't that worse?

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: TulogSaPancitan on Apr 19, 2016, 04:16 AM
so duterte said it was not a joke but a narrative
he narrated that as mayor, he should have been first in line to rape the victim. isn't that worse?

it was a slip of tongue. he is a pervert after all. and he doesn't make an effort to hide it at all.  :hihi:
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Prospera on Apr 19, 2016, 07:54 AM
Hope there are still enough people in this forum with functioning brain cells to ponder this piece: http://interaksyon.com/article/126627/jessica-zafra--of-course-you-love-duterte--he-is-your-id (http://interaksyon.com/article/126627/jessica-zafra--of-course-you-love-duterte--he-is-your-id)
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 19, 2016, 07:59 AM
so duterte said it was not a joke but a narrative
he narrated that as mayor, he should have been first in line to rape the victim. isn't that worse?

tasteless, yes. worse no.  tasteless gutter language. Just like "Ang sarap gulpihin". "Ang sarap patayin". It is still not right, he should set an example.

But then, after weighing thngs out, i have left with no other choices (sans mirriam due to health). Id vote for a person with a stinky mouth who serves his constituents well rather than a sweet decent talker who is just a sweet decent talker.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 19, 2016, 08:09 AM
Hope there are still enough people in this forum with functioning brain cells to ponder this piece: http://interaksyon.com/article/126627/jessica-zafra--of-course-you-love-duterte--he-is-your-id (http://interaksyon.com/article/126627/jessica-zafra--of-course-you-love-duterte--he-is-your-id)

Just posted a comment before reading your link.

The article is also tasteless.

See how it generalizes every Duterte supporter the way she described it? I never said his rape line was good or right. Thats just one. I can go on and on and on.

I hope non-duterte supporters will have enough working brain cells too, instead of glorifying each anti-duterte commentary/article without much thought and balance.

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 19, 2016, 08:30 AM
it's bandwagon effect. you know what is funny? pious people promoting an self confessed murderer. sadder is that he even brags about it and promise to do more in future. they justify it that it's god calling the imperfect person. goodbye brains.

self confessed murderer of criminals you mean. Goodbye splice, you are no different from philippine shitar..

Im not saying Im pious but a self confessed murderer of criminals is better than thieves and liars who cheat their way out with sugar coated words and manipulative disguises.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: pulubing_palaboy on Apr 19, 2016, 09:24 AM
just to be clear, i'm NOT a registered voter.
even if i was, i would not fault anyone for voting for whomever they choose. you each have your own reasons for making your choice.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: rds on Apr 19, 2016, 12:07 PM
it was a slip of tongue. he is a pervert after all. and he doesn't make an effort to hide it at all.  :hihi:

it's the bad side of him. period. he want to make a "punch line" but it backfired.

he is pervert? sino ba dito sa forum ang lalaki na hindi sex ang nasa isip pag nakakita ng maganda at sexy? ikaw kaya?

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Apr 19, 2016, 12:48 PM
To each his own view. I take the unifying factor view.  Your extreme view is just as extreme as Roxas will run the country ground by doing nothing. Just as extreme as Binay will pocket everything down to his pocket. Just as extreme as Poe will sell this country to the United States.

^roxas, binay, and POE did NOT ANNOUNCE OR DID NOT DO anything yet as what you accused them they will do or they have done.

Meanwhile, your idol DU30 has been repeatedly telling all of us that IF CHINA WILL GIVE HIM rail lines for Mindanao and other places, HE WILL GLADLY LET THEM occupy our spratly islands.

NOW BY HIS OWN MOUTH AND ACTION, Who is SELLING OUR COUNTRY to CHINA?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: TulogSaPancitan on Apr 19, 2016, 12:51 PM
it's the bad side of him. period. he want to make a "punch line" but it backfired.

he is pervert? sino ba dito sa forum ang lalaki na hindi sex ang nasa isip pag nakakita ng maganda at sexy? ikaw kaya?

did u not see his campaign trail where he tried to kiss every woman?  he even said never mind if i lose basta mahalikan nya lang daw ang maraming babae.

well i am a man also, but i do know to restrain myself. thats being normal and polite. and im not running for president. and i know how to apologise when i say something stupid.

nwei i couldn't care less if he is a perv. but still im concerned of he plans to rule. he once said he will abolish congress. then he is friend to cpp npa. joma will be back. he is planning already to execute supposed criminals himself (read: murder). his economic plan is none so far. he wants to abolish algebra and higher maths for business math (what a simple minded). he is obviously friends with china and willing to give up our claims as long china build us something (reminds me of gma). he is friends to the marcoses. all these u can see if u read between the lines of what he is saying. problem is most pinoy don't know how to do that. all they see is this tough father figure who will make them feel like a baby.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Apr 19, 2016, 12:57 PM
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Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Apr 19, 2016, 01:00 PM
WOMEN without SELF-RESPECT to allow themselves to be PUBLICLY made fun, DESERVES DU30.

WOMEN who have DIGNITY deserves protection from the PRESIDENCY of whoever will occupy Malacanan Palace.

Are we at WAR to vote for a "berdugo" ?

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: TulogSaPancitan on Apr 19, 2016, 01:28 PM
i also have a beef about how davao is progressive under duterte. did he do it in 6 yrs? ahm no. his family ruled for over 20 yrs. a trained monkey can do that given the continuity of power. same claim of binay with makati.

then his followers believe he can replicate what he did in davao large scale in whole ph in 6 yrs. and crimes in 6 months.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: rds on Apr 19, 2016, 01:56 PM
did u not see his campaign trail where he tried to kiss every woman?  he even said never mind if i lose basta mahalikan nya lang daw ang maraming babae.

well i am a man also, but i do know to restrain myself. thats being normal and polite. and im not running for president. and i know how to apologise when i say something stupid.

nwei i couldn't care less if he is a perv. but still im concerned of he plans to rule. he once said he will abolish congress. then he is friend to cpp npa. joma will be back. he is planning already to execute supposed criminals himself (read: murder). his economic plan is none so far. he wants to abolish algebra and higher maths for business math (what a simple minded). he is obviously friends with china and willing to give up our claims as long china build us something (reminds me of gma). he is friends to the marcoses. all these u can see if u read between the lines of what he is saying. problem is most pinoy don't know how to do that. all they see is this tough father figure who will make them feel like a baby.

As I have said, that's the bad side of him...and he has lots of that "bad side"...

But, based on your personal observations in Dubai...whom do you see OFW's would like to pick or put their trust to solve the country's problem?

Actually I'm not a registered voter also, but based on personal encounters with OFW's in Auh, they seem hopeless because they have put all their trust before with those "clean", "decent", "well-mannered", "intellectual" presedentiables...who became plunderers when seated in power.

So now, they would rather have Robin Hood who will steal to give to the poor (this time as bad-mouth, murderer on Duterte).
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: TulogSaPancitan on Apr 19, 2016, 04:54 PM
^large number of ofws will vote for du30. he is seen as a messiah, that magic pill that will solve away their problems. it's bandwagon effect. most didn't even know what is the real platform other than kill criminals.

large number also prefer him becoz he speaks bisaya to which they can relate to.

if asked what about political background is du30 seating on, his being friends with cpp npa, davao death squad, his willingness to give up west ph sea, etc, no idea. it seems that du30 is pre-selected before his platform and plans is understood. he don't even have plans how he will execute his 3 to 6 months promise.

there is so much dark shadow with his personality. im willing to maintain the status quo (with poe mar miriam) than risk it with someone leaning towards communism, unlawful behaviour (murderer by his own admission) and very questionable character (pervert, telling the pope to fck off).
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Apr 19, 2016, 05:14 PM
i also have a beef about how davao is progressive under duterte. did he do it in 6 yrs? ahm no. his family ruled for over 20 yrs. a trained monkey can do that given the continuity of power. same claim of binay with makati.

then his followers believe he can replicate what he did in davao large scale in whole ph in 6 yrs. and crimes in 6 months.

i'm with you TSP, on all accounts.

As I have said, that's the bad side of him...and he has lots of that "bad side"...

But, based on your personal observations in Dubai...whom do you see OFW's would like to pick or put their trust to solve the country's problem?

Actually I'm not a registered voter also, but based on personal encounters with OFW's in Auh, they seem hopeless because they have put all their trust before with those "clean", "decent", "well-mannered", "intellectual" presedentiables...who became plunderers when seated in power.

So now, they would rather have Robin Hood who will steal to give to the poor (this time as bad-mouth, murderer on Duterte).

Hindi kaya exag lang ang mga pinoy na desperate for total change? I mean really?

Ano ba ang ngina-ngalngal nating lahat.

1. MABAGAL NA INTERNET (You don’t wanna be anywhere near me pag nag-aalburuto ako sa bagal ng internet).

Bakit ba ramdam natin gaano kapanget ang internet service? KASI MAY KANYA-KANYA TAYONG SMART PHONE/IPHONE/ANDROID/TABLET/IPAD/COMPUTER/LAPTOP. At bakit meron tayong lahat ng ganyang gadget? KASI AFFORD NATING BUMILI. KASI MAY ACCESS TAYO SA CREDIT CARD. KASI KAYA NATIN MAGBAYAD. Would I complain about not being able to receive Viber messages in real time, if I don’t have an android phone to use it with in the first place? Would I complain if I can’t even afford to splurge and subscribe to P1000 data plan monthly? Sino ba ang palpak in this case, NTC? O Globe/Smart? O si Mar?

2. NAKAMAMATAY NA TRAFFIC (all caps tlaga para intense). Walang pinipiling oras o araw, kahit alas-2 ng umaga, nata-trapik ako sa EDSA. p*nyeta TALAGA.

Bakit ramdam nating lahat ang traffic ngayon higit nung mga nakaraang taon? Gusto nyong hulaan bakit?

a.   KASI, LAHAT TAYO MAY TRABAHO. Lahat tayo lumalabas ng bahay araw-araw para pumasok sa opisina, para mag-asikaso ng negosyo, para mamasukan. Alam nyo bang record-high ang EMPLOYMENT RATE natin for 2015? 94% ay employed (as of Jan2016), in NCR alone, its 93%ER. Naiintindihan nyo gano karaming tayo yan na bumabyahe paroot-parito ng opisina/trabaho? In other words, 6-7% lang ang tambay! Sila lang ang exempted sa traffic?! Hindi ba nakakainis ngang talaga?!

b.   KASI KARAMIHAN NG BATA, PUMAPASOK SA ESKWELA. 670K secondary and 730K college ang mga enrolled, sa NCR (per latest DepEd and CHED data).  That’s roughly 1.4M students also plying the roads (on their own most likely). Hindi ko na isinama ang elementary dahil inassume kong hindi naman nag-cocommute ng malayuan ang mga maliliit na bata nang mag-isa, so kasama na sila sa bilang ng mga adults na bumabyahe araw-araw.

c.   KASI KAHIT RANK and FILE, KAYANG BUMILI NG SARILING KOTSE. Record-high ang car sales, I don’t need to elaborate on this.

So what’s my point? Tayong lahat, may time at may ganang magreklamo tungkol sa mabagal na internet at palpak na transpo system dahil ung mga PANGUNAHING PANGANGAILANGAN NATIN GAYA NG TRABAHO, EDUKASYON, AT CELLPHONES AY NANDIDYAN NA. Hindi lang natin napapansin, TUMAAS NA ANG HINAHANGAD NATIN SA BUHAY. Hindi na inaalala ang kakainin, kundi anong gadget ang bibilhin.

I am not downplaying the problem on traffic, naka-all caps nga ako sa sobrang bwisit eh. All I’m saying, as mabuti nang traffic ang nirereklamo ko kesa naman naka-tengga sa bahay ang 4 na mga pinsan kong below 25 years old dahil unemployed. Lahat sila nagttrabaho, kahit yung 2 high school lang ang tinapos.

Tapos gusto  natin magkaroon ng pagbabago. Really? So mas masarap walang traffic kahit balik tayo sa 85% employment rate?

I’m not asking people to stop complaining, that’s within your rights and it’s an indication that people are empowered and aware of their rights. But let’s be mindful about what we’re really mad or desperate or frustrated about. Hindi yung galit lang dahil nakabasa ng meme sa fb na nakakagalit. Use your own brains to process the information and what you can observe in reality.

Sa atin dito, meron bang nawalan ng trabaho the past 5 years? Karamihan ang concern ay promotion sa career, or starting other sources of income/pagsa-sideline/pagnenegosyo/pag-iinvest... hindi paghahanap ng trabaho, tama ba?

anyway, going back to dudirty...

http://opinion.inquirer.net/94361/and-hes-no-1 (http://opinion.inquirer.net/94361/and-hes-no-1)

here's a good reading on this whole desperate situation of the filipinos...

https://joeam.com/2016/04/14/manila-meltdown-the-city-chooses-suicide/ (https://joeam.com/2016/04/14/manila-meltdown-the-city-chooses-suicide/)

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Apr 19, 2016, 05:57 PM
For a guy who has always been ambivalent about becoming a president and has been shooting his foot every which way he can so as to leave a door for him to get out of the race, he did it again. He will solve crime in 3-6 months by way of the police. Dahil alam na daw ng police kung ano ang ang gagawin nila. Dodoblehin na lang ang sweldo, bibigyan ng mga abogado, and he will exact the kaukulang serbisyo. Simple. He just might win. Trump can still get out of the race by way of self-sabotage. Si Duterte, sobrang lapit na nag eleksyon.

my suspicion too about D's latest misstep, is he's sabotaging his candidacy. he does not want to win because then ALL THE HARD WORK BEGINS, and his 3-6months ultimatum is so close TO BE PROVEN WRONG. But he cant quit on his own, that would be bayot of him. so he deliberately go berserk any chance he gets to turn people off. but his advisers will talk him down and he's lucid again (hence this morning's apology, when last sunday he said "as a matter of honor i wil not apologize even if it costs me the presidency!").

And he really is about done with killing people (puro press release na lang yan, and his only reliving his gloried past as macho man thats why he had to talk about the kidnapping that happened almost 3 decades ago). and he is 70+ yo, he wont have the physical stamina to go around the country and check up on every branch of the death squad and see how much body they've delivered. and remember the president is not only HEAD OF GOVERNMENT, BUT ALSO HEAD OF STATE. how can he serve that other duty if he's doing his brand of sugod barangay? oh he wont do it, the police (or army/ranger-trained daw?) will. so they will execute his orders 100% accurate? No they wont and they cant. someone or most of them will exercise discretion. not du30's discretion but theirs. and they will simply claim "nanlaban eh." then they are off the hook.

and i've said many times before, is crime and drugs really the first problem of this country?

a friend from law school just posted on fb why she's voting for du30 and i actually liked her post. i didn't agree, but i liked it that all this time, there is someone from that camp who has a calm but solid arguments for her vote. She's not anywhere like the rabid dogs of du30 na walang sense mga sinasabi. She's from Davao and she want the same progress they have there, for the whole country to experience. I respected her for that. Now if only it's that simple.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Apr 19, 2016, 06:11 PM


why is grace poe slowly disappearing into the night? hahaha. i hardly hear anything significant from her or about her anymore (the last time was during the 2nd debate pa). is the "kawawang ampon" factor slowly fading, now that the matter has been resolved by the SC? people's interest is diminishing bcoz now that she won the case, theres nothing sympathetic about her anymore. anak ng mga respetadong artista. inaanak ni erap. asawa ng US citizen who served/still is in the US army. In other words, alta na ulit.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 19, 2016, 06:54 PM
^roxas, binay, and POE did NOT ANNOUNCE OR DID NOT DO anything yet as what you accused them they will do or they have done.

Meanwhile, your idol DU30 has been repeatedly telling all of us that IF CHINA WILL GIVE HIM rail lines for Mindanao and other places, HE WILL GLADLY LET THEM occupy our spratly islands.

NOW BY HIS OWN MOUTH AND ACTION, Who is SELLING OUR COUNTRY to CHINA?

I read that news.

To be fair DU30 didn't say he'll allow China to occupy those islands-shoals.
He said he will shut up about that issue implying tolerance (China is already there and do we have a choice in the next 6 years?) not permission, most certainly not selling them.

For our nationalistas, that may still be unacceptable.
Just saying

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 19, 2016, 06:55 PM
How can "Daang Matuwid" be a NICKNAME???!!

AND how can it be the nicknames of BOTH Mar AND Leni?!?!?
Ano naman kagaguhan ng COMELEC at na approve yan!?

How can "Daang Matuwid" be a NICKNAME???!!

AND how can it be the nicknames of BOTH Mar AND Leni?!?!?
Ano naman kagaguhan ng COMELEC at na approve yan!?

This is also WRONG!
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 19, 2016, 06:59 PM
Grace nalang???
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 19, 2016, 07:06 PM
BJJ, I'm not so sure yan ang mga reasons that persuaded a lot of voters to go DU30. They are just some of the reasons.

A group of voters is for Binay, come what may (close to 20%?), yes that is true.
Some are contented with their current situation and will vote for continuation, Daang Matuwid Mar (under 20%?).

But most people are sick and tired of the current dispensation as well as of corruption, these people are rejecting Binay and Mar (close to 50% ?)
People going for extreme measure are those voting for DU30.
The conservatives but mad about their current situation are voting for Grace.

The undecided is around 10%, correct?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: apingdaldal on Apr 19, 2016, 07:41 PM
Maybe the 10% are the non-gullible, critical-thinking, non-telenovelic, and intelligent citizen who will vote for MDS.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 19, 2016, 08:25 PM
Yan ang hirap sa mga non-duterte supporters. They like to think how duterte supporters think. Pansinin niyo, pagboboto ka kay Duterte, sasabihin manyak ka , walang respeto sa babae, trigger happy.

Samantalang yun mga boboto kay Binay, yun mga anti binay, bihira ko marinig sa knaila na iaccuse yun supporters ni binay na magnanakaw , magulang, bulsalero sila.

Samantalang yun boboto kay Roxas, bihira ako makarinig na inaakusahan sila ng tamad, unproductive, inutil, manhid...

Samantalang yun boboto kay Poe, bihira ako makarinig na titirahin yun supporters na sila mga traydor ng bayan.

See the groove? Kung baga, self righteous. Nakakahiya.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 19, 2016, 08:33 PM
Btw, sympathy votes. It happened in Taiwan, one week before election dati, nabaril yun isang anak ng candidate. This past election, nilabas ang issue nila na this celebrity holds taiwan flag fr a pro china celebrity that triggered backlash.

Di ako magtataka if one or more prez candidates will make something dramatic a week or few days before to gain sympathy votes. Timing ang kelangan.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Apr 20, 2016, 06:43 AM
^^^^ the same reason kung bakit naging pangulo si PNoy at ang kanyang ina.
Si Cory dahil sa nasa kanya ang lahat ng simpatya sa kamatayan ni Ninoy
Si PNoy dahil sa pagkamatay ni Cory, cory magic e. Pero kung hindi namatay si Cory non walang malinaw na kalaban si Villar dati....
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 20, 2016, 07:58 AM
^large number of ofws will vote for du30. he is seen as a messiah, that magic pill that will solve away their problems. it's bandwagon effect. most didn't even know what is the real platform other than kill criminals.

large number also prefer him becoz he speaks bisaya to which they can relate to.

if asked what about political background is du30 seating on, his being friends with cpp npa, davao death squad, his willingness to give up west ph sea, etc, no idea. it seems that du30 is pre-selected before his platform and plans is understood. he don't even have plans how he will execute his 3 to 6 months promise.

there is so much dark shadow with his personality. im willing to maintain the status quo (with poe mar miriam) than risk it with someone leaning towards communism, unlawful behaviour (murderer by his own admission) and very questionable character (pervert, telling the pope to fck off).

Opinion mo lang he is seen as a magic pill by supporters. You see him as a magic pill. Speak for yourself. People just want change and it has got to start somewhere.While you prefer status quo, others prefer change. Sarado kasi utak mo kaya panay misinformation ka. Karamihan kathang isip mo lang.

Kasi he speaks bisaya? Hahaha... Regional votes tawag dyan. Balwarte. Other candidates may malakas din na region. Malay mo  suportado ng usa si Poe, kaya malakas. Di lang regionalism yan....lol

Being friends with npa- more of npa respects him as a leader. More of a unifying leader. Sayaw ka to the tune of twist and shout. Thats how i see it.

Willingness to give up wes ph sea - pareho kayo ni bauer, magbasa kayo uli. Sayaw kayo ng tango.

Davao death squad - di ba sabi mo dati hanggang salita lang siya, nagbagao n isip mo?

Plans on how he will execute 3-6 months promise - dito ka pinaka halata na walang alam. Magbasa  ka uli, nasa dulo lang ng daliri mo ang google.

Ok lang shadow personality sa akin. Kesa yun ibang kandidato, walang shadow, multo na, wala nang konsensya.

Murder by his own admission - you mean murder of criminals by hiw own admission. Ayan ka na naman, i pointed this out na last time, mr. Splice. Halatado na bias mo. Not Tigasin Sa Palusot  for nothing. Kala mo makakalusot ka uli.

Status quo option mo. Sure, why not, kung yun ang gusto mo. Walang pumipigil sa yo.

Pero nakakahiya yun pilit mo maging critique, sablay sablay.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 20, 2016, 09:36 AM

why is grace poe slowly disappearing into the night? hahaha. i hardly hear anything significant from her or about her anymore (the last time was during the 2nd debate pa). is the "kawawang ampon" factor slowly fading, now that the matter has been resolved by the SC? people's interest is diminishing bcoz now that she won the case, theres nothing sympathetic about her anymore. anak ng mga respetadong artista. inaanak ni erap. asawa ng US citizen who served/still is in the US army. In other words, alta na ulit.

Hmmm ...  Wala pang bagong script?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 20, 2016, 09:39 AM
Maybe the 10% are the non-gullible, critical-thinking, non-telenovelic, and intelligent citizen who will vote for MDS.

Why the contradiction?
Voters with those attributes will not vote for her.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 20, 2016, 09:42 AM
Yan ang hirap sa mga non-duterte supporters. They like to think how duterte supporters think. Pansinin niyo, pagboboto ka kay Duterte, sasabihin manyak ka , walang respeto sa babae, trigger happy.

Samantalang yun mga boboto kay Binay, yun mga anti binay, bihira ko marinig sa knaila na iaccuse yun supporters ni binay na magnanakaw , magulang, bulsalero sila.

Samantalang yun boboto kay Roxas, bihira ako makarinig na inaakusahan sila ng tamad, unproductive, inutil, manhid...

Samantalang yun boboto kay Poe, bihira ako makarinig na titirahin yun supporters na sila mga traydor ng bayan.

See the groove? Kung baga, self righteous. Nakakahiya.

You have a point there.
I'm still seriously reconsidering tho.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 20, 2016, 09:45 AM
Btw, sympathy votes. It happened in Taiwan, one week before election dati, nabaril yun isang anak ng candidate. This past election, nilabas ang issue nila na this celebrity holds taiwan flag fr a pro china celebrity that triggered backlash.

Di ako magtataka if one or more prez candidates will make something dramatic a week or few days before to gain sympathy votes. Timing ang kelangan.

^^^^ the same reason kung bakit naging pangulo si PNoy at ang kanyang ina.
Si Cory dahil sa nasa kanya ang lahat ng simpatya sa kamatayan ni Ninoy
Si PNoy dahil sa pagkamatay ni Cory, cory magic e. Pero kung hindi namatay si Cory non walang malinaw na kalaban si Villar dati....

VERY TRUE!

So Since MAR is following the Yellow Footstep ... Papatayin ba nya Mommy nya?!
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 20, 2016, 09:49 AM

Kasi he speaks bisaya? Hahaha... Regional votes tawag dyan. Balwarte. Other candidates may malakas din na region. Malay mo  suportado ng usa si Poe, kaya malakas. Di lang regionalism yan....lol


Bakit supporters ni Grace ang mga usa, may Teddy Bear lahi ba sya?
Hahahha ... why so serious?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Wills on Apr 20, 2016, 10:00 AM
Grace Poe - Walang alam when it comes to executive work as in walang alam. Sa legislative nga baguhan pa lang tapos gusto naman ngayon pamunuan agad ang bansa? WOW! Imagine the damages that she will produce.

Mar Roxas - subok na ang kakayahan - walang balls, hindi kayang magdesisyon sa mga malalaking challenges.

Binay - even if hindi pa napatunayan sa korte na magnanakaw the fact na inabot ng ilang bilyon piso ang Makati office na 11 floors lang naman at ang kalahati pa ay parking (based on COA) ay talaga naman obvious na magnanakaw.

Mirriam - may sakit na at hindi na kayang mamuno pa.

Duterte - Palamura and medyo bastos.

What do we really need as a nation right now?  What are the immediate concerns? Manligaw sa ibang bansa para mamuhunan? And yet our nation is unattractive due to corruptions and high rates of crimes and drugs OR fix the nation with unorthodox but effective method? Investors and business people will invest heavily in your country if they find it attractive as a whole hindi yung dahil lang magaling magsalita ang presidente.

True mayroon maaakit na few investors and business people ang isang maboladas na presidente but if we really want foreign investors to invest heavily in our country it has to be very attractive as a whole because at the end of ligawan - numbers will still dictate if it make sense money wise.

We are witnessing a candidate that Is showing his true colors and because of that we don't want to vote him but rather choose a candidate that covers their bad side and show only the good side to the public. We want to vote someone who is good in hiding their true colors so yeah good luck with that.

I support Duterte because his profile fits the very need of our country today. I see him as Winston Churchill, he became a prime minister of UK during WW2 and because of him Hitler did not succeed in dominating the whole Europe. After WW2 Winston Churchill did not get a chance to be a prime minister again because he is to unorthodox for his nation.

Duterte  is like that hindi pambato sa labas ng bansa ngunit siya lang ang may kakayahan na isolve ang problema sa loob ng bansa that's why I want him to win para matapos na ang DILAW na mentalidad dito sa bansa, para iangat ang standard ng ating Pulis at iangat ang standard ng iba pang serbisyo ng ating gobyerno.

At kung matapos niyang gawin lahat yan, OK na palitan na siya ng presidente na magalang pero kulang sa kaalaman(GPoe), disente makipagusap pero ang totoo gago naman(MRoxas), atleast kapag yung ganyang klaseng tao ang papalit kay Duterte sa 2022 ang iiwan sa kanyang standard ng service ay mataas na dapat niyang imaintain kung hindi man niya kayang pataasin pa.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 20, 2016, 10:22 AM
You have a point there.
I'm still seriously reconsidering tho.

Ya, ok yan... Vote conscientiously....

2 points :

1. This election causes division, heard some friendships even ruined. (An article even encouraged women not to open their legs to their spouse if their spouse insists on voting for Duterte) I hope when election ends, regardless of who will be sitted, everyone or at least majority of the people will move on. Bati bati na uli... hehe

2. Besides sympathy votes, I would also like to point out "war of attrition", wherein you weaken the enemy bit by bit. It seems to work on Binay, it took 2-3 years of relentless bombardment by yellow camp and obviously Binay is not as strong as before. As to on Duterte, let us see...Reminded me of Bill Clinton- Monica Lewinsky you know, this issue was used against him, trying to wreck Clinton out of 2nd term presidency, but eventuslly, Clinton got re-elected.

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 20, 2016, 10:42 AM
Yeah. Miscalculation ni Binay yan.
I think his plan was to declare early to get local pols support.
He knew there will be mud thrown to his face but probably expected it to die a natural death long before the election.
Unforeseen was the relentless attacks of the 3 stooges and then continued by the Yellow Army to this day.
See how the "corrupt" and "magnanakaw" labels are now firmly attached to him.

As for DU30, only 1 of 3 stooges are against him, weakly at that.
The yellow army is desperately trying but the negative labels are not giving the desired results.
Too little time?

Take heart Noy, si Binay naman daw ang uunahin ni DU30, hindi ikaw.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: freefront on Apr 20, 2016, 11:24 AM
https://youtu.be/swLbTeTW3MI

He's sleep deprived, tired and he has a bronchial health issue. He is now being handled by his team. But, he didn't want to apologize.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Ironkiwi on Apr 20, 2016, 11:41 AM
Naku po! walang mapiling presidentiables, puro salat sa kakayahan, pipili na lang na pwedeng sa tingin ko ay pwedeng I-recycle, yung medyo lamang sa iba. Yung hindi masyadong madungis, na konting punas lang ay pwede na. Isip isip pa
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Apr 20, 2016, 11:59 AM
Count down 19 days....

Pag nanalo si Mar, lagpas hanggang langit ang confidence ng mga unopposed politicians na under liberal. Mas titindi pa ang tapang ng mga gaya ni Taliño. Magpapatuloy pa ang incompetence ng mga Abayas, Abads, at GMs ng NAIA.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Wills on Apr 20, 2016, 12:10 PM
Naku po! walang mapiling presidentiables, puro salat sa kakayahan, pipili na lang na pwedeng sa tingin ko ay pwedeng I-recycle, yung medyo lamang sa iba. Yung hindi masyadong madungis, na konting punas lang ay pwede na. Isip isip pa

And that is the reality of all nations all over the world. Not just us Filipinos.

If you are brave enough to face that reality then good for you because you'll experience less disappointments in the future.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 20, 2016, 12:25 PM

why is grace poe slowly disappearing into the night? hahaha. i hardly hear anything significant from her or about her anymore (the last time was during the 2nd debate pa). is the "kawawang ampon" factor slowly fading, now that the matter has been resolved by the SC? people's interest is diminishing bcoz now that she won the case, theres nothing sympathetic about her anymore. anak ng mga respetadong artista. inaanak ni erap. asawa ng US citizen who served/still is in the US army. In other words, alta na ulit.


This is the best time to shut up.

Not you, bjj, but im referring to why Poe being silent these days..

Being silent now, for me, is one heck of a smart move. While the 3 camps throwing trashes at each other. She just watches from the sideline. When everone else is battered, she will pick up the war spoil.

Its brilliant.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Apr 20, 2016, 12:47 PM
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Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 20, 2016, 12:55 PM
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How about wolf in sheeps clothing?

Bjj, kakasabi ko lang silence suppresses action on Poes camp. Hahaha...mukang pursigido si bauer lately a, panay anti duterte memes... Lol

May point ka din bauer in what youre doing. trying to sway the undecided and weak votes, instead of showing your bets credential, you opt to do the style of trashing out other candidates.

 Its time for me to say it out that i think your popular smc is in icu for the last two years thread is a sham. Check the date of your posting. Its been how many years and counting.... sound out of topic. In oher words, you have lost your credibility in pmt. dont worry, its just me, one person lang naman.

And dont get me wrong. Its not because  you are out there to destroy my candidate. But mostly you cant refute my counter arguments to prove your point. I dont see any intellect there.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 20, 2016, 12:58 PM
https://youtu.be/swLbTeTW3MI

He's sleep deprived, tired and he has a bronchial health issue. He is now being handled by his team. But, he didn't want to apologize.

Nag apologize na daw.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Apr 20, 2016, 01:33 PM

And dont get me wrong. Its not because  you are out there to destroy my candidate. But mostly you cant refute my counter arguments to prove your point. I dont see any intellect there.


^I always try to answer your counter arguments within proper context and reason.  Can you remind me again your arguments that I did not respond to?

Meanwhile, my SMC thread is a financial and business analysis that may aid someone who wanted to invest his/her savings in SMC.

It is not meant to STOP anyone such as yours truly BUT I just tried to show the status of finances in SMC and it is up to the readers to decide to take the risk.  Just to let you know, SMC is NOT THE ONLY OPTION in investment.

If SMC collapses and some investors lose their money ---- AT LEAST THEY HAVE NOTHING TO BLAME BUT THEMSELVES for being hard headed and blinded from the truth.  Just like in the selection of a presidential candidate.  Loyalty is not invented without its own audience.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on Apr 20, 2016, 01:46 PM

May point ka din bauer in what youre doing. trying to sway the undecided and weak votes, instead of showing your bets credential, you opt to do the style of trashing out other candidates.

   

^BTW, there is no such thing as WEAK VOTES. 

Marunong lang silang mag-isip, mag masid, at makinig sa mga argumento na sinasabi natin at ang mga ingay na linilikha ng mga vested interest groups.

Iyan ang tamang pananaw.  Hindi sarado ang isipan. 

Kung ating iisipin --- mas hindi marunong pumili ang mga "loyalist voters" Lalo na kung lumalabas ang tunay na ugali ng mga kandidato. 
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 20, 2016, 01:52 PM
^I always try to answer your counter arguments within proper context and reason.  Can you remind me again your arguments that I did not respond to?

Meanwhile, my SMC thread is a financial and business analysis that may aid someone who wanted to invest his/her savings in SMC.

It is not meant to STOP anyone such as yours truly BUT I just tried to show the status of finances in SMC and it is up to the readers to decide to take the risk.  Just to let you know, SMC is NOT THE ONLY OPTION in investment.

If SMC collapses and some investors lose their money ---- AT LEAST THEY HAVE NOTHING TO BLAME BUT THEMSELVES for being hard headed and blinded from the truth.  Just like in the selection of a presidential candidate.  Loyalty is not invented without its own audience.

Your memes burying them.. Lol..   One is on this page and you chose to not see it.

Another one.Explain to me why your bet, Poe wants to get him as her dilg secretary? Youre pointing on Dutertes negativity while your candidate is willing to hire him. Make both ends meet.

Yes, SMC opinion is your opinion. Im just saying my stand now, albeit briefly. Your intention may be real. But on the other side, you are causing others to miss out smc investment opportunities. Disclosure : i have smc preferred shares. Lets not talk about this here, masabon pa uli tayo na ot..
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Wills on Apr 20, 2016, 01:57 PM
There are two kinds of listener, the one who listens to what you're saying and the other one listens to what you're doing.

If Duterte wins this election then I would conclude that our countrymen has improved from being gullible.

Never will you see a gullible person that listens to action.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 20, 2016, 01:58 PM
^BTW, there is no such thing as WEAK VOTES. 

Marunong lang silang mag-isip, mag masid, at makinig sa mga argumento na sinasabi natin at ang mga ingay na linilikha ng mga vested interest groups.

Iyan ang tamang pananaw.  Hindi sarado ang isipan. 

Kung ating iisipin --- mas hindi marunong pumili ang mga "loyalist voters" Lalo na kung lumalabas ang tunay na ugali ng mga kandidato. 

Yes, weak votes does not mean di nag iisip. It just means it still can be swayed, either by their own thinking or by outside forces or both.

Sarado isipan? Thats not even part of discussion. It depends on your perspective. You have your reason why you stick to poe. That is not sarado ang isipan. In the same manner, those who are decided to vote for duterte, hindi din sarado isipan.

Weak votes, yun maari pang magbago ng isip. Kung may weak voters si duterte, meron din weak voters ang ibang candidates.

Dont go pilosopo man...
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 20, 2016, 02:05 PM
There are two kinds of listener, the one who listens to what you're saying and the other one listens to what you're doing.

If Duterte wins this election then I would conclude that our countrymen has improved from being gullible.

Never will you see a gullible person that listens to action.

Dang, you worded my thoughts perfectly.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: rds on Apr 20, 2016, 02:12 PM
si GS...sarado ang isipan ayon kay bauer dahil maka DU30
si bauer...sarado ang isipan ayon kay GS dahil maka POE

pero kung sakaling naging pareho ang bet nilang dalawa, ay sigurado bukas ang isipan nila para sa isa't isa.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 20, 2016, 02:22 PM
si GS...sarado ang isipan ayon kay bauer dahil maka DU30
si bauer...sarado ang isipan ayon kay GS dahil maka POE

pero kung sakaling naging pareho ang bet nilang dalawa, ay sigurado bukas ang isipan nila para sa isa't isa.

O diba... Perspective... Namimilosopo kasi eh.. Weak voters meaning leaning towards a candidate that can be swayed or changed pa. Undecided meaning, wala pa ako mapili.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Apr 20, 2016, 02:56 PM
VERY TRUE!

So Since MAR is following the Yellow Footstep ... Papatayin ba nya Mommy nya?!

Nope, Baka si Koring  :hihi:
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 20, 2016, 04:05 PM
Nope, Baka si Koring  :hihi:

HAHHAHA
 :applause:

OOOPs ...
Shhhh ... baka maging totoo at manalo si Mar nyan!
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: TulogSaPancitan on Apr 20, 2016, 07:04 PM

Murder by his own admission - you mean murder of criminals by hiw own admission. Ayan ka na naman, i pointed this out na last time, mr. Splice. Halatado na bias mo. Not Tigasin Sa Palusot  for nothing. Kala mo makakalusot ka uli.

Status quo option mo. Sure, why not, kung yun ang gusto mo. Walang pumipigil sa yo.

Pero nakakahiya yun pilit mo maging critique, sablay sablay.


is there distinction? does our law say it's ok to murder as long as he is criminal? murder is murder. so it is ok for you to murder criminals? no due process? what happened to thou shall not kill?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 20, 2016, 07:25 PM

is there distinction? does our law say it's ok to murder as long as he is criminal? murder is murder. so it is ok for you to murder criminals? no due process? what happened to thou shall not kill?

While you just pick this issue, i suppose you agree your other points are panay sablay.

First im not pious.
Second, mga criminal pumapalag on the spot, di mo papatayin, gusto mo ikaw maunahan? Where is your logic.
Third,  with your walang kwentang logic, you mean the religious people shouldnt vote for anyone because other candidates also have moral failures? Dont tell me because they are not found guilty yet, Duterte is also innocent until founded guilty, speaking of our law. Gets?

Sige pa, sablay pa more.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: myrmidon on Apr 20, 2016, 08:44 PM
MY VOTE. MY CHOICE.
ANDREA CARIGMA·TUESDAY, APRIL 19, 2016

I have wanted to post this for the longest time, but I was holding back because I wanted that by the time that I speak, I have proper citations - references of what I want to point out - so, YOU, my dear reader, can experience fairness. 
It is only fair that I let you fully see what I see, and know.  So, fair warning, this is a LONG read. I would have video and article links that may take you hours to see in entirety, but the actual note you can read in minutes. If you will, please indulge me with some of your time to share with you some of my thoughts. 
And no, I won’t bash the other presidential candidates. I have respect for myself. 
WHERE THIS STARTS
Just last night, I was in a conversation about Mayor Rodrigo Duterte, why his “ill manners” and “foul mouth” are so appalling, and how he is a bad example for our generation. Amidst the conversation, I found myself defending Mayor Duterte.  I respect everyone’s opinion and the concern for the welfare of the Filipino youth, but I really don’t see things the way most people do. It was said that “a lot are blinded even when red flags are already apparent” (pertaining to the recent rape statement). 

I say, I am not blinded. I see things differently.   

MY UNUSUAL, CURIOUS MIND
I am a person of unusual choices in life. I think most of my family and friends can attest to that. I need to say this so you understand where I am coming from. 

I graduated with a medical degree, but I chose to teach rather than see patients regularly. I know I am gifted to be a teacher. I choose to do what I can do best for people - and I always try to make myself the best for anyone who receives the services I offer. 

I’d rather be called “Ma’am” than “Doctor”. It is more humbling, and it makes the students feel they can get close enough to ask what they need to ask - a better chance for them to learn.  I believe that if I teach these students well and they end up learning more, then the more competent clinicians (doctors, dentists, pharmacists) we have - clinicians who value the essence of health care, clinicians who love their work. Having a competent clinician means having better patient care – a better life for more people. More than what I can do when I stay in my clinic seeing patients. 

I am really unusual. I see things differently.  And I see Mayor Duterte differently. 

What I see is FAR from a man who is branded by the media as “violent”.

To be honest, I feel sad when I see him being shortsighted for being a “thug”, just as I am sad when the media was branding Sen. Miriam Defensor-Santiago “may sayad” when she ran for presidency in the 1992 elections. I can still remember the jokes on her before. She is a brilliant legislator with a strong will, a gift to the Filipino people, and I have so much respect for her. I just wish she wasn’t as ill as she is now. She is a valuable asset to our nation. 

It is just so shameful to think how the public is made to see a distorted image of someone who is capable of creating a positive change for our nation. Mayor Rodrigo Duterte is getting the same flak. And I find it unfair. That is why I am writing this. I do not just sit down when something doesn’t get the fairness it deserves.

THE ID ARTICLE 
Just this morning, I saw an article written by Ms. Jessica Zafra that my FB friends have posted. It is an article explaining how people find Mayor Duterte very appealing – Rodrigo Duterte is our Id. 

Id refers to a “reservoir of unorganized instinctual drives, operating under the domination of the primary process. Id lacks the capacity to delay or modify the instinctual drives” (taken from Kaplan and Saddock’s Synopsis of Psychiatry, 2007). 

I have read the article. It stated that the reason we choose Duterte is because he represents our primal wants “before civilization came to us”.  It paints Mayor Duterte as the “cool guy” who acts on primal instincts – and kicks ass, like a superhero would, and that makes him incapable of running a nation.

Personally, I think this article is limiting. It draws from what is evident. I do respect Ms. Zafra’s opinion on the matter. She is a brilliant writer. And truthfully, there are fibers of truth in what she wrote. Mayor Duterte represents something we are afraid to do ourselves,

BUT THAT IS NOT WHY I AM CHOOSING MAYOR DUTERTE AS MY PRESIDENT.

The article undermines what Mayor Duterte has accomplished for Davao, since he became the Mayor in 1988. 

THE RESEARCHER IN ME
In all honesty, this curiosity has turned me into a stalker – a very picky stalker. Available sources in the internet are so tainted – with malice and misconceptions. So, as much as possible, I tried avoiding articles posted online by local publications, support groups and bloggers. I went to where my faith is: VALIDATED RESEARCH – peer-reviewed, published and presented in conference – as much as possible. I also scoured actual full-length interviews (because editing sometimes gives bias) and government sites for statistical data.

So, let me present to you my research work for several weeks. (You can click the link to see the source of the article).

THESE ARE THE REASONS WHY I AM CHOOSING DUTERTE. Read on. 

THE DABAWENYOS LOVE THEIR MAYOR
This is a plain fact that reverberates throughout all the people from Davao that I have met and known. They love Mayor Duterte, but word of mouth is not good enough for me. I needed to see “WHY” and “HOW”. People say that Mayor Duterte is a “scary”, “barbaric” “dictator” – but why is it that most people in Davao show so much reverence towards him?

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In a 2016 article showcasing how Davao is shaped by history, it was stated that:

Duterte’s headship has been described as iron-fisted, out of the ordinary, and, at times, contrary to the tenets of human rights. Underscoring the perceptions were the allegations of extrajudicial killings, electoral terrorism, penchant for foul language, coddling of offenders, and political dynasty. But those who intimately understand his persona describe him as pro-poor, generous to a fault, the punisher of drug lords and criminals, protector of the grassroots, and friendly to all sectors, including the rebels, the underprivileged, and the social outcasts.  After 21 years of reign as Davao City mayor, Duterte’s strongest success is etched on the subject of peace and order. It’s a singular legacy with political weakness on either side but these are strengthened by his resolve to follow the popular and the unorthodox. During his watch, the city has experienced a dizzying roster of achievements. Many of them trendsetting, such as the first overpass, first truly international airport and seaport, first high-scale subdivision, first condominium, first high-rise building and skyscraper, first international convention, first information and technology hub, first mall, and first overpass and underpass. A testament to his impressive contribution to socio-economic growth is the sobriquet honoring Davao as one of the world’s most peaceful cities.   

I was also able to come across a 2014 study entitled: REVISITING DAVAO AS A LIVABLE CITY: A PHENOMENOLOGICAL STUDY, Saidamin Bagolong, DPA, which was presented in the 2014 Philippine Society for Public Administration International Conference. It was a study that was based on the responses of people’s experiences  as well as their  understanding on the concept of livability. The findings of the study  showed  that the  awards,  distinctions and attributes are valuable assets of the City as these can be a proof that the city is doing  its best  to  attain  its  goals  in  improving  people’s  economic  and  social  conditions.  With  the leadership  qualities  of  the  leader  through  the  Mayor,  ordinances  and  policies  are  strictly followed and implemented without creating a negative image of his character. Public safety is a must so that quality of life  is achieved and people may be assured of  their life-satisfaction.   

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A similar study also exists - one that was published in the International Journal of Social Science Studies in September  2015. It was entitled: Political Efficacy and Community Well-being of the Residents in Davao City, Philippines, by Rico B. Maghuyop, Ed. D.,  Melanie R. Bonita, Alily Grace M. Sardeñola, and Ivanne M. Lumain. This study validates the relationship between political efficacy and community well being. The residents frequently perceive their local government as a community that provides the basic needs of the citizens and puts out opportunities for them to be heard and to express their ideas for the development of their respective communities as well as engaging them to decision making process.

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These studies validate the word-of-mouth I have been hearing from the Dabawenyos. They are satisfied with the livability of their city – something that I don’t hear and see in Metro Manila.

I have to give credit to the Dabawenyos, too. To implement a city ordinance is one thing. To uphold the ordinance is a different story. So, to the Dabawenyos, kudos! No city is perfect – that is true - but I am truly happy that you experience what you have in Davao.   

ANG MGA TURISTA
In addition to the residents, it also seems that tourists who visit Davao experience the same sense of satisfaction. I have been to Davao several times, and by my experience, I really felt safe there. There is a general feel of security that I am not afraid to walk alone at night to buy myself a cup of coffee. Apparently, the respondents to a study done in 2015 say the same thing. The study was entitled Davao Life is here: Characterizing Inbound Tourists, by Gypsy Mae B. Casurao and Hazel Princess M. Rebollo, Mshrm. It was found that tourists are moderately satisfied with the city’s festival events and highly satisfied of the city’s safety and security. This is consistent to their being feel safe and secured while they are in the city because  of  their  trust  to  the  current  Mayor  that  resulted  to  their  high  likelihood  of  repeat visitation leading to an increased positive economic impact to all the city’s tourism-service providers.

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THE STUDY THAT TOOK IT AS A WHOLE
This was actually the first study I found on Duterte. I posted it sometime before. Now that I have much information at hand, I saw that this was the one that summarized Mayor Duterte’s role in Davao, and how he works as a leader.

A lot of internet posts – memes, photos, interviews – highlight Mayor Duterte as a tunnel-visioned mercinary who kills and dictates and violates human rights. However, this study says otherwise:

“Duterte uses a combination of different leadership skills characterized by firmness in decisions, taking responsibility for all actions made and the ability to accomplish the desired outcomes. He is a transactional leader with charisma to the masses. He actively monitors the work performed by subordinates and executes corrective actions if deviations from expected standards occur. He is an entrepreneurial leader, a risk taker, and a negotiator. His autocracy fits the level of maturity of the Dabawenyos. He is voted primarily for his leadership skills in maintaining peace and order while the various programs he has implemented are considered as additional accomplishments to his brand of leadership.”
 
This study was the one that dissolved my apprehensions – yes, like most of you, I had reservations too.

Before, I thought that him being the president would lead to a repeat of the dreaded Martial Law regime. The Martial Law they made movies about. The Martial Law that people cry will happen again if Mayor Duterte becomes president. 

I don’t believe in that anymore. 

THE MAN WITH THE FOUL MOUTH, BUT WITH AN UNUSUAL DEPTH OF EMPATHY
I wanted to know how he was a person (or at least try to). So, I went into an analytical mode of personality assessment. I watched video, after video, after video of Mayor Duterte interviews. I scoured the internet for photos. I want you to see it for yourself. However, I am willing to share with you my observations: 

1. (The most obvious) HE SWEARS A LOT. A lot, really. However, I noticed that he cries foul ONLY WHEN a disgusting/ annoying/ insulting topic is raised. Especially when it has been talked over for so many times.   

2. HE FINDS DARK HUMOR IN SARCASM. He has been associated with the vigilante group Davao Death Squad (DDS) so many times, so one time he said he is really associated with DDS – Davao Development System – an acronym made as a retort to all the accusations.   

He also said “I killed 700? Make it 1,700” when confronted with an accusation with no basis. A sarcasm to an insult. Now, when I come across posts saying “ Duterte admits to killing people”, I laugh a little internally – because I remember the sarcastic comment to an accusation with no basis.

3. HE SHOWS RESPECT WHEN IT IS CALLED FOR, AND SHOWS ANGST WHEN IT IS NEEDED.

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People brand him as thuggish, but he was far from that when he was showing sadness over the Yolanda devastation. He wasn’t thuggish when he was showing respect to the MILF officers and elders as he visited Camp Darapanan Sultan Kudarat. He wasn’t thuggish to the pediatric cancer patients to whom the city’s 3.2M smoking ban fines were donated to.

However, when he was interviewed regarding issues with Justice De Lima, he was almost all the time, so angry.

You can watch every video link I posted to see what I mean. HE IS ADAPTIVE. Contrary to what most people say.

 4.  HE THINKS AND HE PLANS. Look beyond the peppery mouth. See how he answers questions on different aspects in apt response. He seems to have a clear plan on his head – like everything is thought of thoroughly. He doesn’t answer to please. He answers with a solution in mind. And if he thinks that he doesn’t have one at the time, he would let the one asking the question know. (See the Karen Davila and the Rappler interview)

5. HE DOESN’T USE GOVERNMENT FUNDED PROJECTS/ CALAMITY DONATIONS AS
MEANS TO PUBLICIZE HIMSELF.

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I do not intend to bash Jejomar Binay with this photo, but I don't want to edit the photo in respect to the author of the source post. Thank you for understanding.
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6. HE IS CONSISTENT WITH HIS PRINCIPLES ON PERSONHOOD. He could be brusque and foul mouthed, but as I watch him in interviews, he is consistent with upholding goodness towards the people who deserve it. He does it at his expense. He risks being put to jail. He risks being harmed when he offers himself as hostage to free a captive. He allows the general public to criticize him when he does all these. That is why I get it when he doesn’t want to apologize. To him, he is giving so much more than what he has to.

7. HE GRAVELY HATES VIOLENCE TOWARDS THE HELPLESS. See for yourself.   

Video links:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3S6-sg1h1I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3S6-sg1h1I) DAVILA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3S6-sg1h1I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3S6-sg1h1I) RAPPLER https://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DZRbs-Wj3FSo&h=hAQErxj6Q&s=1&skip_shim_verification=1 (https://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DZRbs-Wj3FSo&h=hAQErxj6Q&s=1&skip_shim_verification=1) LEYTE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95Dlw3U27t (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95Dlw3U27t) DE LIMA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK9aykzNReU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK9aykzNReU) CAMP DARAPANAN VISIT

Mayor Duterte is often criticized to be reckless – by “violating” human rights, “committing extrajudicial killings” in the process of eliminating criminality. As I watched the Karen Davila interview, I realized that he is cunning (contrary to reckless). In all the recounts of criminal crisis management, he would always say he asked the perpetrators to surrender – as a form of ultimatum, OR he would command the police to wait for the perpetrators to make the first step to open fire. If the perpetrators don’t surrender, or if they start firing, it is counted as disregard to authority, and the rest is the story you know. 

As for human rights, this is his stand (You can see this in the De Lima video): that our Justice system is so keen on protecting the human rights of the accused and convicted, but in doing so, the system fails to see that by being lax, they are committing maleficence on many innocent people – depriving them of justice, and giving chance for the innocent to be corrupted or victimized in time.

I leave the interpretation to you.   

MY VOTE. MY CHOICE.
MY CHOICE IS DUTERTE. MY VOTE IS FOR HIM. 

I hope he wins, and when he does, like the Dabawenyos, we contribute to the betterment of our nation. I hope the bashing stops.

I have never been so engrossed with the presidential candidacy until this time – because NOW, I TRULY FEEL THAT CHANGE IS COMING. You and I have the power to make it happen. You and I can make the Philippines better.

 #DUTERTE   
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: myrmidon on Apr 20, 2016, 08:54 PM
Sorry guys dapat pala link lang dapat na post ko.

Paano po ba i delete?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: TulogSaPancitan on Apr 20, 2016, 09:48 PM
While you just pick this issue, i suppose you agree your other points are panay sablay.

First im not pious.
Second, mga criminal pumapalag on the spot, di mo papatayin, gusto mo ikaw maunahan? Where is your logic.
Third,  with your walang kwentang logic, you mean the religious people shouldnt vote for anyone because other candidates also have moral failures? Dont tell me because they are not found guilty yet, Duterte is also innocent until founded guilty, speaking of our law. Gets?

Sige pa, sablay pa more.


nope. i dont agree. i just dont have time. why so depenseb? hehe. relax.

do u know definition of murder??? lols. do u know why dabao has high murder rate? self explanatory.

im not saying u should not vote for a murderer. im just pointing out that you are willingly voting for a murderer, and zeus knows how you will reconcile that with ur belief. up to you. free country.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 20, 2016, 11:03 PM

nope. i dont agree. i just dont have time. why so depenseb? hehe. relax.

do u know definition of murder??? lols. do u know why dabao has high murder rate? self explanatory.

im not saying u should not vote for a murderer. im just pointing out that you are willingly voting for a murderer, and zeus knows how you will reconcile that with ur belief. up to you. free country.

Pag gusto maraming paraan, pag ayaw madaming dahalan. Or i should say, kung wala na mapaglusutan, tahimik na lang lol. Dont have time, typical line... Typical palusot. And yet who can still reply... Lol

Im not being depensib... You edited your first reply. I read your hostile questioning. Thats why i answered that way. Then too lazy to change, same point anyways.

Lol... See how you make palusot again. Murderer. Thats your own coining. I just dont want to be too trivial with the term you use. Just like jail and prison, theres actually a difference.

So you want to use the term murderer in a legal way.

Now, " self confessed murderer? " kathang isip mo uli yan...  Du30 never confessed he is a murderer. So your hypothesisis already false.

Nothing to reconcile, it is his duty to defend his people especially when the circumstaces call for it. Criminal die or hostage die.  You will never understand this because you are an atheist. People who have their own religious beliefs have their own judgement. Its inot your business nor mine.

 See how your arguments always go? Now you want to think how people with beliefs think. Think for yourself. Seriously, it might be a clinical disorder.

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 21, 2016, 08:31 AM
Sorry guys dapat pala link lang dapat na post ko.

Paano po ba i delete?

DON'T DELETE.
Ok yan para madali mabasa.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 21, 2016, 08:35 AM

do u know definition of murder??? lols. do u know why dabao has high murder rate? self explanatory.

im not saying u should not vote for a murderer. im just pointing out that you are willingly voting for a murderer, and zeus knows how you will reconcile that with ur belief. up to you. free country.

That is exactly the line of Mar re crime in Davao City.
So why are the people there happy?
Kasi nga ang mga pinatay ay criminals.

Why is that acceptable?
Kasi palpak ang justice system?
Murder pa rin, they not only don't care but welcome it pa.

The danger is the implementers can go overboard.
Obviously a lot of pinoys accept that risk today.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 21, 2016, 09:18 AM
(http://s5.postimg.org/5cq649dh3/hakot_queen.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
screenshot (http://postimage.org/app.php)

https://www.facebook.com/Bukidnon.ph/videos?fref=photo
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Apr 21, 2016, 05:33 PM
On Rape Case

•Poe said, “It is distasteful and unacceptable, and reflects his disrespect for women.”
•Roxas said, “Rape is a serious problem… Women have rights, they should not be played with.”
•Binay said, “Mister Duterte, don't you have a mother? Don't you have a daughter?”


Mar Roxas on Rape case of Romeo Jalosjos:

At this point, Malacañang’s preferential treatment for Jalosjos is undeniable. How can someone who practically turned Bilibid into a Resort and Spa be released so soon?

 Liberal Party Senator Kiko Pangilinan criticized Malacañang on 20 March 2009, or a day after the rapist’s release.

 Pangilinan said, “Lumalabas tuloy na kung sino ang mayayaman at may impluwensiya sa lipunan ang siyang mabilis na nakalalaya sa kulungan (It appears that only the society’s rich and powerful get to be released in jail fast.” [GMA]

 In response, then-Senator Mar Roxas said, “Lahat ng bilanggo dapat lamang na bigyan ng pagkakataon na makapag-bagong buhay. At hindi dapat pagkaitan ng hustisya kung karapat-dapat na makapagbagong-buhay.” [GMA]

Mar never criticize Jalosjos
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Apr 21, 2016, 05:36 PM
Jojo Binay and the Rapist Jalosjos
Arroyo, supported by her then-ally Mar Roxas, effectively pardoned Jalosjos by commuting Jalosjos’ sentence. However, Roxas and Arroyo parted ways in 2010 as the nation was swept by the pro-Yellow sentiment arising from Cory Aquino’s death.

  However, Jalosjos’ loyalty is for Arroyo, who belongs to the opposition party United Nationalists’ Alliance (UNA). Vice-president Jejomar Binay heads UNA, and Jalosjos served as the party’s figurehead in Zamboanga [Verafiles].

  Jalosjos supported Binay's vice presidential bid in 2010

Binay never criticize Jalojos... Never
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Apr 21, 2016, 05:38 PM
Grace Poe and the Rapist Jalosjos

 Those who know Jalosjos' atrocities were shocked at discovering him in the audience of Chiz Escudero’s vice-presidential declaration in the posh Club Filipino on 17 September 2015. The rapist basically ditched Binay for Poe.


"Since we hold majority of the elected officials in the province, we can use that clout to ensure that the tandem Grace and Chiz will definitely win in Zamboanga del Norte," Jalosjos said [CNN].

Jalosjos’ support for Poe isn’t new. While he supported Binay in his 2010 VP bid, he also supported Poe and Escudero in the 2013 senatorial elections.

 Asked why he decided to support Poe instead of Binay, Jalosjos said, "[Binay] was in Dipolog and I talked to him. He asked for my support and I told him I cannot [support him].”

Jalosjos added, ”I cannot turn my back on Grace, her family is very close to us, the father FPJ (Fernando Poe Jr.), mother Susan, and Grace herself. I will be a traitor if I turn my back on her. [GMA]"

 Has Grace criticized Jalosjos for actually raping a child? No.

 Condoning rape for political convenience.

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Apr 21, 2016, 05:45 PM
Bad things happen during Poe's campaign rally in CDO

Commuters got stranded at Agora Terminal

 Facebook user Pompee La Viña posted the following photo and said, "Passengers waited for hours in CDO because Poe hired hundreds of buses to carry supporters from Bukidnon to Cagayan de Oro City to make it look like she has many supporters in the city."

Hired bus was involved in Bukidnon road mishap

 A Rural Transit Mindanao Incorporated (RTMI) bus hired by Poe's camp to fetch her supposed supporters in Bukidnon was involved in a road mishap.

 A certain Tamol Casiño‎ posted that one of the chartered buses paid to ferry "supporters" from bukidnon to CDO met an accident along the way. No fatalities were reported but hundreds of passengers were stuck in the CDO terminal due to the shortage of buses.

According to a report aired on TV Patrol Northern Mindanao, the accident happened around 3 a.m. at Purok 5 in Barangay Laguitas, Malaybalay City. The bus, which was part of a convoy of three buses, crashed due to a slippery road caused by heavy rains. The driver and conductor were brought to the hospital and are now in stable condition.

 RTMI branch manager Edgar Bacunga confirmed that over 200 buses were hired by Poe's camp to transport her supporters from Misamis Oriental and Bukidnon to CDO. He said the RTMI secured a permit from the Land Transportation Office (LTO) for the purpose.

 The supporters were allegedly paid P1,000 each to attend the rally. Because of what happened, netizens dubbed Poe as "Hakot Queen."


http://www.coolbuster.net/2016/04/look-bad-things-happen-poe-rally-cagayan-de-oro.html
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: dine18 on Apr 21, 2016, 06:36 PM
Mahirap magdecide kung sino b ang presidente ang karapat dapat mahalal ngaun 2016 dahil kanya kanyang plotaporma ang kanilang hinahain sa atin ngaun, basta kung sino man ang mahalal na presidente ngaun sana karapat-dapat siya sa kanyang pwesto at hindi tyo ngkamali sa kanya dhil alm ko lahat tyo nkikipagdebate pa sa kapawa ntin pilipino pra ipaglaban ang kanyang napupusong presidente ,nahumahantong pa ng nagbibigayan na sila ng masasakit na mga salita basta ako ipinagdadasal ko na kung sino man presidente ang mahalal ngaun sana makita ntin sa knya ang pagbabago ng pilipinas!")
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 22, 2016, 10:50 AM
2nd incident. Not being called hakot queen for nothing.

READ and WATCH: Grace Poe's supporters raged after 500 peso "Incentive"
http://okd2.com/grace-poe-caught-vote-buying-in-baguio-people-reacts/ (http://okd2.com/grace-poe-caught-vote-buying-in-baguio-people-reacts/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBQlnueYhO8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBQlnueYhO8)

Expecting change? OJT na, training pa niya yun mga kasamaan. Skinning a bit of her sheep's clothing.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 22, 2016, 11:12 AM
Why is it ok for Kris Aquino to use the Presidential Helicopter to campaign for LP Mar Leni?

Noy - Pwede daw maki sakay sister of president sa helicopter ng Office of the president.

For POLITICAL CAMPAIGNING?!?!?!
Pati nga si NOy mali rin and ginagawa.
Another form of corruption din eto!
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on Apr 22, 2016, 12:55 PM
2nd incident. Not being called hakot queen for nothing.

READ and WATCH: Grace Poe's supporters raged after 500 peso "Incentive"
http://okd2.com/grace-poe-caught-vote-buying-in-baguio-people-reacts/ (http://okd2.com/grace-poe-caught-vote-buying-in-baguio-people-reacts/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBQlnueYhO8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBQlnueYhO8)

Expecting change? OJT na, training pa niya yun mga kasamaan. Skinning a bit of her sheep's clothing.

Vote buying ba yan baka naman napagkakamali ng paniwala ng tao. Bawal na ang vote buying, lamang nga yan doon sa isa bring your own baon, yan ang gesture of gratitude pupunta ka sa rally ko magutuman ka o hindi ka makapagtrabaho icompensate ko na lang. E ganun yung isa walang pera kuno yung isa meron at gustong magbigay ng gratitude.

Ngayon malabo na ang vote buying dahil walang ibibigay na resibo sa boto mo.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on Apr 22, 2016, 01:00 PM
Why is it ok for Kris Aquino to use the Presidential Helicopter to campaign for LP Mar Leni?

Noy - Pwede daw maki sakay sister of president sa helicopter ng Office of the president.

For POLITICAL CAMPAIGNING?!?!?!
Pati nga si NOy mali rin and ginagawa.
Another form of corruption din eto!

Superficial, What is the big deal? Wala na iba masilip kaya kahit maliit na bagay pinatulan na.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on Apr 22, 2016, 01:05 PM
Ito ang big deal sa akin.

Yang pagsasalita ni Digong. Ang galing niya magsalita sinagot niya mga foreign envoy, nagsalita lang mga yun dahil may tinamaan sa citizen nila. Si Digong dapat alam niya katayuan niya, kandidato lang siya. HINDI PA SIYA PRESIDENTE. Arogante.

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on Apr 22, 2016, 01:13 PM
Ito pa ang big deal sa akin nangampanya si Digong pinakilala niya kapalpakan niya.

Meron order ang presidente na tapusin ng maayos ang hostage incident. Pero ano ginawa niya paano? Paano niya tinapos? Paano nakapang hostage ulit ang mga salarin, hindi pala siya  marunong mag manage ng kapulisan, pinarusahan ba niya mga pulis niya? Hindi rin, Ang masaklap nito dahil sa kapalpakan ang sabi niya patayin lahat pero siya ang nanguna. Palpak siya.

Sinisi pa niya ang palasyo e siya ang dapat masisi.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Apr 22, 2016, 01:40 PM
Superficial, What is the big deal? Wala na iba masilip kaya kahit maliit na bagay pinatulan na.

Bawal sa election code, ang gamitin ang vehicle ng pamahalaan sa panahon ng kampanya. In addition, tax ng mamamayan ang ginamit para langisan ang chopper.... Kasehodang pinakamataas ang tax ng kapatid nya. E papano yung mga tax payer din na hindi naman maka dilaw.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 22, 2016, 06:10 PM
ETO pa GIN ETO.

Using "DAANG MATUWID" as nickname fro BOTH MAR and LENI !

In-approve naman ng COMELEC, palibhasa tuta ni NOy si Chair Bautista
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: pulubing_palaboy on Apr 22, 2016, 08:26 PM
Bawal sa election code, ang gamitin ang vehicle ng pamahalaan sa panahon ng kampanya.

i'm certain this statement is NOT accurate!
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: myrmidon on Apr 22, 2016, 08:41 PM
Ito pa ang big deal sa akin nangampanya si Digong pinakilala niya kapalpakan niya.

Meron order ang presidente na tapusin ng maayos ang hostage incident. Pero ano ginawa niya paano? Paano niya tinapos? Paano nakapang hostage ulit ang mga salarin, hindi pala siya  marunong mag manage ng kapulisan, pinarusahan ba niya mga pulis niya? Hindi rin, Ang masaklap nito dahil sa kapalpakan ang sabi niya patayin lahat pero siya ang nanguna. Palpak siya.

Sinisi pa niya ang palasyo e siya ang dapat masisi.

Napanood nyo po ba ang video sir? Yung full interview kay duterte dun sa labas ng bahay nya yung nakaupo sya sa monobloc?

Sa unang hostage incident tapos na sana yun.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: myrmidon on Apr 22, 2016, 08:52 PM
The Hierarchy of Needs
by Orion Perez
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQdmxW7BNvlgaKeRPiWzAPuB64J8j4kSQeKfZUHkTxuMIR3hRHQqA)

There is a fundamental disconnect between the needs of the ordinary Filipino people - the masses, the middle class, etc and the needs of the elites and many ivory tower "intellectuals" in the Philippines: they are at different levels of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs.

While the vast majority of ordinary Filipinos are more concerned about basic needs such as food, shelter, clothing, jobs (in order for them to obtain food, shelter clothing), safety/ peace-and-order, and Human Rights for victims/innocent people, the small vocal minority of intellectuals and elites are concerned about higher-level “needs” such as higher-level civil liberties like “Freedom of Expression/ Freedom of Speech” and Human Rights for confirmed repeat offender criminals.

It’s not that I deny that these civil liberties and “human rights” are important. They most certainly are. But practically speaking, they aren’t the priority at this given point in time because meeting the most basic and fundamental practical needs for human survival should be the priority since these are the needs of the biggest bulk of our people.
Some might say "why can't we do them at the same time." My answer: It's not feasible. The existing infrastructure does not exist to allow them to be managed the same way at the same time, so ultimately, we need to PRIORITIZE. And I prioritize - at this point in our history - the basic fundamental needs for survival of the majority of our people over and above the higher-level needs that cater to the already "self-actualized" few.

The classic blunder of many of Philippines' prissy out-of-touch elites, ivory tower intellectuals, and many (not all) of my fellow Ateneans is in insisting on these higher-level “needs” over and above the more basic needs for survival which is what our poor majority need.

If only we properly prioritized according to the needs of the vast majority, then we can ensure that this huge bulk of people can eventually more successfully move on to the next higher level. At that next level, their needs will change, and so on and so forth.

This is why countries that used to be poor who wanted to move up quickly needed to first concentrate on basic needs as their number one priority because that's the level at which the bulk of their population was in and then when the bulk of their people moved up in terms of socio-economic conditions, then the country’s policies shifted to reflect that demographic shift resulting from prosperity.

The Philippines continues be a major failed state and has been unable to arrest the deteriorating quality of life of the poor because of this total and complete disconnect between what the already “self-actualized” Philippine elites/intellectuals clamor for versus what the ordinary masses are kicking and screaming to proclaim are their basic practical needs for survival that must first be met.

(When people mention the "widening gap between the rich and poor" -- I don't worry so much about the rich getting richer. I want EVERYONE to get richer: rich, middle class, and poor. The gap per se isn't the problem. What alarms me is when the poor get poorer and their quality of life reaches inhumane levels such as them being forced to eat recycled food scavenged from garbage bins. :( :( :( )

So when certain vocal and outspoken Filipino intellectuals/ prissy elites/ Ateneans say that we need to uphold the “Human Rights of the Criminals” the thinking masses tend to yell back with a big loud “F*CK YOU” and say “Human Rights of the Innocent and Human Rights to find a job and have food and basic needs FIRST!”
Their general clamor for Duterte is based on that.

While my support for Duterte is premised primarily on his full support for Constitutional Reform, from the point of view of the informed and upwardly mobile members of the masses and THE VAST MAJORITY OF OFW’s, they clamor for Duterte based on their perception that he totally understands where they’re coming from, that he is one of them, and that he will prioritize their basic fundamental needs FIRST before listening to the “higher level” self-actualized needs of the privileged few, the intellectual elites, etc.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 23, 2016, 08:13 AM
There are talks now that there may be a failure of elections because of the recent Comelec voters data leak via hacking (hacking nga ba talaga yan?). And also that leak may lead to vote counting manipulations.

Isip isip na kayo kung maka dilaw  pa din kayo.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 23, 2016, 01:31 PM
Why is it ok for Kris Aquino to use the Presidential Helicopter to campaign for LP Mar Leni?

Noy - Pwede daw maki sakay sister of president sa helicopter ng Office of the president.

For POLITICAL CAMPAIGNING?!?!?!
Pati nga si NOy mali rin and ginagawa.
Another form of corruption din eto!

Superficial, What is the big deal? Wala na iba masilip kaya kahit maliit na bagay pinatulan na.

Bawal sa election code, ang gamitin ang vehicle ng pamahalaan sa panahon ng kampanya. In addition, tax ng mamamayan ang ginamit para langisan ang chopper.... Kasehodang pinakamataas ang tax ng kapatid nya. E papano yung mga tax payer din na hindi naman maka dilaw.

i'm certain this statement is NOT accurate!

Note : above comment pertained to the first line which I underlined.

Na short cut lang ang sentence, actual intended meaning, which I'm sure even a pulubi will get, is " ... bawal gamitin ang vehicle ng pamahalaan sa panahon ng kampanya."

Gineto, kung "superficial" (sic) yung complaint ko. Ano naman eto?
BTW, Have you look up the meaning of superficial?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 23, 2016, 01:47 PM
Ito ang big deal sa akin.

Yang pagsasalita ni Digong. Ang galing niya magsalita sinagot niya mga foreign envoy, nagsalita lang mga yun dahil may tinamaan sa citizen nila. Si Digong dapat alam niya katayuan niya, kandidato lang siya. HINDI PA SIYA PRESIDENTE. Arogante.

Napanood nyo po ba ang video sir? Yung full interview kay duterte dun sa labas ng bahay nya yung nakaupo sya sa monobloc?

Sa unang hostage incident tapos na sana yun.

Malamang hindi.
G is not known for diligence nor intelligence.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 23, 2016, 01:53 PM
There are talks now that there may be a failure of elections because of the recent Comelec voters data leak via hacking (hacking nga ba talaga yan?). And also that leak may lead to vote counting manipulations.

Isip isip na kayo kung maka dilaw  pa din kayo.

Mga uninformed yan.
Tapos, I heard on radio, someone from Comelec was saying no harm done from the info leak kasi it can hardly be used for cheating in the election.

Another simpleton, the REAL danger from the leak is from scammers using that info to impersonate a voter in cyber transactions.

Cheating in the Election 2016 is already in place, no need for info leak.
sMAR matic already have everything down pat.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 23, 2016, 03:20 PM
^did you see the post from a netizen where they took a screenshot of the i.p. addreess of those who are seeding the comeleak data in torrent? One of them is malacanang itself. Which means, not only malacanang has a copy of the database where digital manipulation can be a possibility, they are also comtributing to the seeding(distributing) of the said data files.

And napansin niyo yung sobrang obvious na twist of words ng main stream media? As in super bias and misleading (some people here sound like that)...one of which is claiming that Duterte may cut ties or threaten to cut ties with USA and  Australia.
 In reality he challenged them to cut the ties if they dont like him as president. This guy got balls. Maybe too straightforward, but its full of dignity.

In relation to that issue, watch this video :  (di pinapalabas yan mga yan sa mainstream oligarch media)

https://www.facebook.com/SunStarPhilippineNews/videos/10154068862948396/

Dirty media supporting you know who. No wonder we have a filthy government.

We cant blame Duterte supporters to be all over the internet. Because the misleading irresponsible media are there  to destroy Duterte's reputation. Its their way to be vigilant.

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on Apr 23, 2016, 04:34 PM
Napanood nyo po ba ang video sir? Yung full interview kay duterte dun sa labas ng bahay nya yung nakaupo sya sa monobloc?

Sa unang hostage incident tapos na sana yun.

Hindi mo ba naintindihan ang statement? Sa unang hostage incident tapos na sana yun? Anu ibig sabihin nun? He has to follow the commander in chief order tapusin ng maayos.

Ngayon paanong nakapang hostage ulit at nakaagaw pa ng baril paano niya na manage ang mga pulis niya. Sinabi ba niya na pinagalitan niya mga pulis niya pinarusahan ba niya? Everything is a messed everything is under his responsibility, yung pinagmalaki niya sa rally niya kapalpakan niya. Lahat namatay hostage takers 16 tapos mga hostage ilan yun sila

All under his responsibility walang dapat sisihin. siya lang.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 23, 2016, 06:37 PM
Hindi mo ba naintindihan ang statement? Sa unang hostage incident tapos na sana yun? Anu ibig sabihin nun? He has to follow the commander in chief order tapusin ng maayos.

Ngayon paanong nakapang hostage ulit at nakaagaw pa ng baril paano niya na manage ang mga pulis niya. Sinabi ba niya na pinagalitan niya mga pulis niya pinarusahan ba niya? Everything is a messed everything is under his responsibility, yung pinagmalaki niya sa rally niya kapalpakan niya. Lahat namatay hostage takers 16 tapos mga hostage ilan yun sila

All under his responsibility walang dapat sisihin. siya lang.

Kanino ka ba boboto? pwede pong malaman? Kasi kasing labo ng narration at wordings mo yun stand mo. di ko maintindihan... Sorry, take it as a constructive criticism
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 24, 2016, 12:54 AM
https://www.facebook.com/manilabulletin/photos/a.147434127984.134626.139149407984/10154339669527985/?type=3

Silipin ang survey ng dirty media manila bulletin kung saan nagtutwist ng word.

Saan kayo nagulat?

Boss wilch, im sure di ka nagulat... hehehe
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 24, 2016, 01:06 AM
(http://s5.postimg.org/4wrxej8mv/comeleak_seeding_fr_malacanang.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
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Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Prospera on Apr 24, 2016, 09:24 AM
I know this won't sway the diehards, but here's Babe Romualdez's (the Philippine Star columnist and Bongbong's uncle) take on the perils of a Du30 presidency:

FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN


Known for waging war against drugs and criminality by instilling fear in Davao City where he has been mayor for more than two decades, presidential candidate Rodrigo “Digong” Duterte has caught the imagination of a large number of people by promising to eradicate criminality in six months. He has also created expectations of radical change for the country.

Of late however, he has instilled a new kind of fear from so many people – the fear of the unknown. It would seem he has taken on the international community. We remember how early on in his campaign, the Davao mayor cursed Pope Francis over the resulting traffic in Metro Manila when the pontiff visited in January last year to console the victims of Typhoon Yolanda. The remark created a major firestorm especially because His Holiness is one of the most revered figures not only in the Philippines but all over the world. People certainly didn’t mind the traffic when the Pope was here – unlike the APEC Leaders’ Summit last November that angered a lot of Filipinos. The mayor got away with cursing the Pope by apologizing and even requesting for an audience with Pope Francis through the Papal Nuncio – who immediately transmitted the request to the Pontiff. Pope Francis sent back a message of forgiveness and offered prayers for the mayor.

Earlier this month, Duterte hit Mexico during a tourism forum, calling it the center of the drug trade and kidnappings and killings – right in the presence of Mexican Ambassador Julio Camarena Villaseñor who was in the audience. When Duterte realized his faux pas, he apologized and tried to lighten the moment by saying there are also other places with drugs and crime like the US and Russia – and then promptly hit back Mexicans after his speech, saying he does not see the need to apologize because what he said against Mexico is true. Of course, the Mexican Ambassador was obviously disturbed and defended his country.

And now, the latest offensive launched by Mayor Duterte has Australia and the United States as his target, telling the Australian and the US Ambassadors to “shut [their] mouth” following the envoys’ censure of the rape comment involving an Australian missionary who was raped and murdered during a 1989 jailbreak in Davao City. During a rally in Quezon City, Mayor Duterte said that he was so mad at the prisoners for raping the beautiful missionary and that he “should have been first.” It instantly drew flak from many sectors including the international community.


Rape and violence against women is a crime more heinous than drug trafficking or even murder because the victims relive the nightmare over and over. A rape victim once wrote – “Every night, I cry myself to sleep. When I wake up, I look out the window and I see raindrops, but actually it’s the tears in my eyes.”

The mayor has adamantly refused to apologize for his comment and instead told off the Australian and US ambassadors, saying he will sever ties with the United States and Australia when he becomes president. These two countries are our closest allies who have been helping our military’s goal to attain a minimum credible defense posture, and have been supportive with our current dispute involving China.

Duterte’s declaration of severing ties with the US and Australia came across as not only disturbing but destabilizing especially to the international community. The intelligence establishment is also starting to perceive the mayor as a threat to national security. In fact, I received a call from a reporter of the Stars and Stripes based in Hawaii where already there is a lot of chatter about Duterte’s latest pronouncements about the US role in the country’s security. There is major concern that Duterte seems “unstable,” and people are aghast at the thought that “if he could say such careless comments now that he is only a candidate, how much more so once he becomes president?”

We were told that Chinese embassy political officers watching from the sidelines are extremely amused with Duterte’s comments. Just exactly what the Chinese feel about the current political situation can be gleaned from the recent press briefing conducted by Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying who, when asked about Duterte’s remarks that he is ready to shelve territorial disputes if China agrees to help the Philippines build railways and other infrastructure – expressed “hope that its new government can adopt positive and well-thought [out] policies towards China, properly deal with relevant disputes and improve bilateral relations with concrete actions.” This can only be interpreted as giving up our claim with the UNCLOS.

There is no doubt a large number of Duterte diehards still think he is the best bet because he represents real change, rationalizing the mayor’s comments as off-the-cuff and that the focus should be on his ability to deliver his promises. The latest ABS-CBN/Pulse Asia survey conducted April 12-17 with 4,000 respondents showed Duterte maintaining his lead at 34 percent. The fear of a Duterte presidency is finally beginning to sink in that there are now moves among the different parties to consolidate forces and stop the Duterte bandwagon. We have to remember, 66 percent of voters are not for the mayor.

For sure, the last and final presidential debate broadcast on ABS-CBN at 5 p.m. today could be the tipping point that can help shape the way things will go on May 9. As Duterte himself said, “it’s my mouth,” and “what you see is what you get... if you don’t like what you see or what you hear, then don’t vote for me.”

   
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 24, 2016, 10:14 AM
I know this won't sway the diehards, but here's Babe Romualdez's (the Philippine Star columnist and Bongbong's uncle) take on the perils of a Du30 presidency:

Duterte’s declaration of severing ties with the US and Australia came across as not only disturbing but destabilizing especially to the international community. The intelligence establishment is also starting to perceive the mayor as a threat to national security.
   

I just read the bolded statement and i coclude it is false and biased.

Declaration of severing ties??/

LOL....

People just want to stuff their words o the speakers mouth..

Another proof of wrecking job.

Well done Prospera for exposing it.

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 24, 2016, 10:16 AM
Verify first, before believing.

(http://s5.postimg.org/f5tlbubg7/Duterte_s_dare.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
upload a gif (http://postimage.org/)

VS
Dishonest commentary : "Duterte’s declaration of severing ties with the US and Australia" exposed by Ms. Prospera from the post above

See the twist?

I know die hard haters wont get it.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 24, 2016, 10:29 AM
We have to remember, 66 percent of voters are not for the mayor.

Thank you for exposing another stupdity, Prospera.  For the sake of argument, lets assume the numbers are correct. The same can be said to other candidates. Because we wil lhave minority president since there are 5 candidates and lead not too wide(besides mirriam with a wide lag).  If 66 percnt of the voters are not for the mayor, 85 percent of the voters are not for Roxas. lol

Bulok na commentary. Thanks for the highlight Prospera. :)

Btw, pati math tinutwist. lol
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on Apr 24, 2016, 05:41 PM
Kanino ka ba boboto? pwede pong malaman? Kasi kasing labo ng narration at wordings mo yun stand mo. di ko maintindihan... Sorry, take it as a constructive criticism

Sigurado namang hindi na ako boboto kay Digong hindi na dapat tanungin.

Ngayon nagsalita ang Aus envoy imbes na mag sorry siya dahil ni rape at namatay ang citizen nila UNDER HIS RESPONSIBILITY naghamon pa siya HINDI SIYA MAKATAO.. Bakit siya nag INITIATE ng hamon to severe ties ang ibig sabihn ready rin siyang gawin yun. Hindi pa siya presidente, Hindi pa siya presidente AROGANTE na siya. Yan ang AYAW INTINDIHIN ng mga fanatico niyang mga supporters.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on Apr 24, 2016, 06:04 PM
Talaga bang natatakot kay Digong mga sanggano EPEKTIBO  ba talaga ang pamumuno niya?

3 Davao City Jail inmates caught in pot session

 Thursday, March 03, 2016

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/davao/local-news/2016/03/03/3-davao-city-jail-inmates-caught-pot-session-460601

Tapos sasabihin niya 3 to 6 months aayusin niya ang crime problem MANLOLOKO LANG SIYA tapos ng tinanong kung hindi niya ma solve ibibgay kay Bongbong ang problema bakit niya niloloko mga tao kasi marami gusto magpaloko. Bakit pang apat pa rin sa pinakamaraming crime ang Davao dapat ba ipagmalaki yan.

Itong mga smugglers natatakot ba sa kanya, palibhasa kasi naging controversial para kunyari nagagalit siya pero kung hindi madadagdagan na naman ang mga ambulansya niyang kapalit ng smuggled goods.

Agri group urges authorities to arrest smugglers of fake rice - See more at: http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/513878/money/agri-group-urges-authorities-to-arrest-smugglers-of-fake-rice#sthash.DfCuudAj.dpuf

Sa lahat ng kandidato siya ang may pinakamaraming issue palibhasa kasi siya ang pinaka batikang TRAPO ka level niya si Ramos at Enrile.

Tatanggalin daw niya ang Algebra at Trigo sa curiculum, makikipag deal daw siya sa China kapalit ng railway system, yang federalism niya angkop lang yan sa mga kaibigan niyang mga rebelde walang magandang kahihitnan ang mga PALPAK niyang mga plano.

Yan ang Pinas ngayon CHANGE. Change for the worst.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on Apr 24, 2016, 09:58 PM
Ang uupong presidente kung marumi maglilinis, kung medyo marumi magpapabango, ang malinis pipiliting manatiling malinis. At alam na kung sino ang malinis pa dyan.

Ngayon yung mga batikan dyan sempre yung frontrunner at yung kulelat pare pareho lang sila pag nagkita kita na mga yan kantyawan lang kung sino magaling mambola o man uto magkakaibigan din mga yan parepareho ng halukay ng bituka.

Eto yung isa, nang malaman na mananalo na yung isa in endorso na niya walang pakialam kung mahusay o maganda ang mga plano basta ang alam niya kailangan niya kumapit sa madaling salita TRAPO.

http://davaotoday.com/main/davao-city/why-duterte-endorses-aquino/
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Apr 25, 2016, 06:48 AM
OMNIBUS ELECTION CODE
(o) Use of public funds, money deposited in trust, equipment, facilities owned or controlled by the government for an election campaign. - Any person who uses under any guise whatsoever, directly or indirectly, (1) public funds or money deposited with, or held in trust by, public financing institutions or by government offices, banks, or agencies; (2) any printing press, radio, or television station or audio-visual equipment operated by the Government or by its divisions, sub-divisions, agencies or instrumentalities, including government-owned or controlled corporations, or by the Armed Forces of the Philippines; or (3) any equipment, vehicle, facility, apparatus, or paraphernalia owned by the government or by its political subdivisions, agencies including government-owned or controlled corporations, or by the Armed Forces of the Philippines for any election campaign or for any partisan political activity. 
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 25, 2016, 08:11 AM
Dati na exposed ang LP vote buying sa QC by GMA7.
Nasa youtube pa with video.
During their campaign, nag bigay ng envelopes with 1000 pesos inside (Amoranto Stadium)

Lately eto nanaman.
During Cebu sortie of Mar-Len, nag campaign sa mga barangay officials.
Nagbigay sila ng 5000 pesos sa mga barangay officials.

Meron ba action COMELEC?
Sige, kahit comment nalang, COMELEC
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 25, 2016, 08:15 AM
After watching the first part of the Presidential "debate" last night, I listen for a little while more of the show.
Showbiz na showbiz ang style ng ABS dito, IMO not appropriate.
Si Karen naman, parang trying hard to be intellectual and fair pero obvious naman may bias against some candidates.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 25, 2016, 09:20 AM
After watching the first part of the Presidential "debate" last night, I listen for a little while more of the show.
Showbiz na showbiz ang style ng ABS dito, IMO not appropriate.
Si Karen naman, parang trying hard to be intellectual and fair pero obvious naman may bias against some candidates.


Yes or No segment, tapos tanong kay Du30, "Who funds your campaign". Not even a followup question. Sagot ni Digong to this effect : "Taga bukid, Emilio Aguinaldo"...lol

And plataporma karamihan tanong kay Roxas, PARANG scripted.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Apr 25, 2016, 11:32 AM
^^^^ Sa pagkakaalala ko si Karen Davila hindi part ng yellow ribbon dahil nagkagirian sila ni koring recently. Meron pa ngang you tube video nyan. Saka ang alam ko maka Duterte sya.... Napaghalo na siguro nya yung mga nababasa nya sa feed

Dati na exposed ang LP vote buying sa QC by GMA7.
Nasa youtube pa with video.
During their campaign, nag bigay ng envelopes with 1000 pesos inside (Amoranto Stadium)

Lately eto nanaman.
During Cebu sortie of Mar-Len, nag campaign sa mga barangay officials.
Nagbigay sila ng 5000 pesos sa mga barangay officials.

Meron ba action COMELEC?
Sige, kahit comment nalang, COMELEC

Hindi ko iniisip na papanig sa ganito si Leni. Worst talaga yung kay Steeeve Dailisan. caught on camera.

Nakakatakot ang pagiging desperadong maging presidente ni Roxas.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: dine18 on Apr 25, 2016, 11:34 AM
Mahirap magdecide kung sino b ang presidente ang karapat dapat mahalal ngaun 2016 dahil kanya kanyang plotaporma ang kanilang hinahain sa atin ngaun, basta kung sino man ang mahalal na presidente ngaun sana karapat-dapat siya sa kanyang pwesto at hindi tyo ngkamali sa kanya dhil alm ko lahat tyo nkikipagdebate pa sa kapawa ntin pilipino pra ipaglaban ang kanyang napupusong presidente ,nahumahantong pa ng nagbibigayan na sila ng masasakit na mga salita basta ako ipinagdadasal ko na kung sino man presidente ang mahalal ngaun sana makita ntin sa knya ang pagbabago ng pilipinas!")
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 25, 2016, 01:55 PM
Nakabawi si Binay last night.
Maayos at ok ang mga sagot niya.
May sense ang sinabi nya.
Most importantly, sinagot nya yun tanong.

Si DU30, Duterte pa rin.
Maraming punchlines. Consistent sa mga sinabi na nya.
Puro yun iba, hindi malinaw ang stand nya.

Mar - mas ok na rin.
Same din ang mga sinasabi nya.
And dating nga lang, memorized na.

Miriam - "I will never quit. I will never stop. I will never withdraw."
Someone in our table added " I will never win!"
Maraming patawa pero mahina ang dating.
Maawa ka sa sarili mo Madam.

Grace - lumabas na mababaw ang grasp nya sa mga issues.
Wala rin originality, ginagaya nya yung iba without acknowledging it.
At least si DU30 pagnangopya sinasabi agad.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 25, 2016, 02:20 PM
Mirriam - Ms. Semi-palaban ( i feel badand sorry  sa sudden pauses niya when she talked)
Roxas - Mr. Image Maker ( no more daang matawid reference, but image photoshopped?)
Duterte - Mr. Reference ( davao resume, and pag di kaya, kopya which is a raw word for adopt)
Binay - Mr. Libre ( lahat libre, libre school, libre gamot, libre ospital, linre sa income tax)
Poe - Ms. Cliche ( bilang isang babae, bilang isang nanay, bilang isang ina, repeat)
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: rds on Apr 25, 2016, 02:31 PM
Nakabawi si Binay last night.
Maayos at ok ang mga sagot niya.
May sense ang sinabi nya.
Most importantly, sinagot nya yun tanong.

May sense...saan nya kaya kukunin yung lahat ng panglilibre nya.

Sarap lang talaga mangako e no!
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Apr 25, 2016, 04:27 PM
^^^^ Nakalimutan ata ni Binay na hindi sa lahat ng lungsod may ayala na pwede nyang kuhanan ng tax para ipanlibre hihihihi


ang napansin ko kay Poe..... grabe ang ganda ng kutis nya. hihihihi
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Prospera on Apr 25, 2016, 04:29 PM
Ano naman kaya ang masasabi ng mga Du30 fanatics sa news report na ito na lumabas ngayon sa InterAksyon.com:

Duterte's death squad kills not only minors, but also their own members:priest
http://www.msn.com/en-ph/news/elections/dutertes-death-squad-kills-not-only-minors-but-also-their-own-members-priest/ar-BBscIO6?li=BBr8Mkn (http://www.msn.com/en-ph/news/elections/dutertes-death-squad-kills-not-only-minors-but-also-their-own-members-priest/ar-BBscIO6?li=BBr8Mkn)

In the grand scheme of things, which is worse--give out campaign envelopes (not that this is to be condoned) or murder people with impunity?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 25, 2016, 05:42 PM
^giving out of envelopes with impunity also you mean? Why construct an unfair question?

"witness are afraid to come out because of fear" , the priest said. Maybe witness think they deserve it because they are salot ng lipunan? With your same logic, not that i condone it too...

Allegations. Same allegations to corruption on other candidates. witnesses are afraid to come out because they are afraid too.

All i can say is different people have different moral compass.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 25, 2016, 06:18 PM
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1320412034641744&id=1002068056476145

#DuRo hehehe
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 25, 2016, 06:24 PM
Regarding survey, mukang may irerelease bukas... And mukang big skips and hops...  Eto na wilch, simula na....we shall see...
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 25, 2016, 07:27 PM
May sense...saan nya kaya kukunin yung lahat ng panglilibre nya.

Sarap lang talaga mangako e no!

Why can't the govt help the displaced fishermen? CCT, Philhealth, DepEd, Social Welfare, TESDA etc.
Now kung mangyayari yan, I don't know.
BTW, applicable naman yan sa lahat ng sinabi nilang lahat.

Ang malabong sagot (for all of them) is regarding End-O
Probi is legal and logical, how can that be repealed?
Who said  the answer is to create more jobs na nga ba?
Yan ang tamang sagot.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 25, 2016, 07:31 PM
Biggest obstacle for Grace is DU30.
Kung wala si DU30, winner na sigurado si Grace.

Biggest obstacle to a DU30 victory naman is ...
            DAYANG MATUWID
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Apr 25, 2016, 07:47 PM
Matanggal man ang contractualization e di ang gagawin lamang ng mga kumpanya ang pagtanggal ay last in first out basis or performance based na..... Mahirap yan kapag may pulitika pa sa loob ng kumpanya

Marami daw mga ofw na nagsasabi na may "Mar Roxas shade" na mga balota nila.... kaya ba sinasabi ni Mar kagabi na sure win na sya???? hayst
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 26, 2016, 12:24 AM
https://www.facebook.com/artscuisine/videos/10154147399933415/

Nice art work :)
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 26, 2016, 09:11 AM
^^^^ Nakalimutan ata ni Binay na hindi sa lahat ng lungsod may ayala na pwede nyang kuhanan ng tax para ipanlibre hihihihi


ang napansin ko kay Poe..... grabe ang ganda ng kutis nya. hihihihi

Dba kutis is smoothness of skin, tama bba?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 26, 2016, 09:14 AM
Matanggal man ang contractualization e di ang gagawin lamang ng mga kumpanya ang pagtanggal ay last in first out basis or performance based na..... Mahirap yan kapag may pulitika pa sa loob ng kumpanya

Marami daw mga ofw na nagsasabi na may "Mar Roxas shade" na mga balota nila.... kaya ba sinasabi ni Mar kagabi na sure win na sya???? hayst

Malamang.
sMAR matic  ang secret weapon ng LP
Yan ang sinasabi nilang "Machinery" nila that will enable MAR to cheat, este, win the counting.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: CodyDeegan on Apr 26, 2016, 12:56 PM
I'd hate to say this but good luck Philippines on whoever wins as president. All of the candidates have their pros and cons some may be stronger than the other in terms of pros and cons. There are a lot of social issues to be handled in a short period of time. Yes, six years is not enough to fix the country but could only mitigated especially if everyone cooperates, and hope that change for the better will be granted in the next administration as well. But if we must vote, vote for the candidate you think can make this country better, root for the candidate who does not only promises things but has backed up everything with the plan of implementing those promises. Don't wish for a better life but wish for a better country a better place to live in because it will bring a beautiful life.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 26, 2016, 01:18 PM
I'd hate to say this but good luck Philippines on whoever wins as president. All of the candidates have their pros and cons some may be stronger than the other in terms of pros and cons. There are a lot of social issues to be handled in a short period of time. Yes, six years is not enough to fix the country but could only mitigated especially if everyone cooperates, and hope that change for the better will be granted in the next administration as well. But if we must vote, vote for the candidate you think can make this country better, root for the candidate who does not only promises things but has backed up everything with the plan of implementing those promises. Don't wish for a better life but wish for a better country a better place to live in because it will bring a beautiful life.

Do you live in the Philippines?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 26, 2016, 06:33 PM
NEWS FLASH!

MAR conceded Presidential Election to DU30.

He said he will campaign all out for Leni so that when DU30 dies in the Spratlys, Leni will take his place.

LP still meeting whether to have Mar and Leni swap position with Mar sliding down to the VP race. To ensure his victory over Bongbong, Koring may be sacrified.

Caveat Lector.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 26, 2016, 08:22 PM
Carlos Celdran, Disente.

And he said : "Makati Medical.A nurse knew who I was and STILL wore a Duterte braceletto the booth where my friend was dying of cancer. I had to ask her to take it off. Fu*king hell."

Sobrang disente di ba... Lol

(link later)
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 26, 2016, 11:06 PM
Eto muna :

https://www.facebook.com/903444503087388/videos/932406520191186/

Sa mga di maka access, Kris , cheez and Poe in an interview/disussion, about Kris in political arena. She wanted to be mayor first.... Kris did the talking :"...... my dad (ninoy)started as a small town mayor. So I want to start in a big city."

Cheez witted : "Tacloban?"

Poe , Cheez, Kris and others burst into a loud laughter....

I know right? Wag naman kj right, nagjojoke lang din naman sila right? lololol

The point is :

yellow + white = white + yellow = Still Yellow
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 26, 2016, 11:19 PM
^In fairness, bilang isang nanay, bilang isang babae, may sense of humor din pla siya...lol
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: myrmidon on Apr 27, 2016, 01:04 AM
Why my friends, my mom and Jessica Zafra hate Duterte
KRISTINE ABANTE·SATURDAY, APRIL 23, 2016
 
First of all, I never wanted to openly campaign for any candidate. I have always been of the belief that our elections in the Philippines is just some sort of charade, just to make the people feel like they have a say, but really at the end of day whoever wins is just another leader who will look after selfish interest of the 2%, after all, we have patterned our Pseudo-democracy from our liberator and protector, the great Uncle Sam.

But I realize, this election is different because of 3 important things.

a) Pinoys from all sectors are engaged. In fact the usually indifferent middle class have finally reached a boiling point.

b) Social media has given us a platform to openly vent, debate, and share information

c) An outsider candidate, one that is not of the ruling class is running for the highest office , and lo and behold, he might actually win.

I have read and heard a lot opinions from all sides. I am after all terribly in the middle. I am both a graduate of a publicly funded Manila Science high school, and of an exclusive highly expensive Catholic university. My parents are not rich, but they were educated and they wanted the best education for their children. I am a working class OFW, and whatever perks I enjoy now, I have certainly made sacrifices for them, and I can emphatize with all of my hardworking kabayans here in the Middle East

So all this is coming from a perspective that aims to understand my peers and why some of them are so disgusted with an outsider that apparently most of my kabayans want to elect.

In my opinion, there are 6 kinds of people who hate Mayor Duterte’s guts :


1. The Progressive Pacifist Idealist  - People who believe in “delikadeza”, people who champion civility, who always weigh their words, always aim to be politically correct, trying hard not to offend anyone.

These are the educated, open-minded people. The people you love to have over for dinner. My good friends. Human rights, LGBT rights, Womens rights, Animal rights, Disabled rights, they will fight for all these causes, because they are outstanding human beings. Sure they are a citizen of the Philippines, but they are also a Global citizen. They know because they have travelled or have met with a lot of other decent human beings from all over the world.

Duterte’s rhetoric will never be tolerated in those places, never mind if he is actually an effective leader, or he is loved by his constituents, or that he is not corrupt and has a proven track record. His foul mouth and outdated machismo have no place in 2016. For these People, Duterte does not represent their ideals of a better world. These people are waiting for a Justin Trudeau. They are the people who have evolved faster than your friendly neighborhood tambay, sadly the current state of Philippines  cannot yet catch up to their ideals.  Truth be told I always thought I would be in this category.
(https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/13055325_10153659395312297_8949772826251885037_n.jpg?oh=b2c830cc0409f92ac0a8346446ed2716&oe=57B64EBF)


2. The Nerd
You know these type. They are the first ones to come up with answers, because they have memorized the entire book. Summer from School of Rock, yes that’s her/him. They follow the rules, they respect due process, they are the teacher’s pet, straight As and all. They will defend the current admin because according them change is gradual, and if we worked hard enough, we will be successful. Huwag daw tayong tamad. Let’s do our homework.  Let us not rock the boat, let us not question the establishment after all, they provide structure. Sure there are failings and some missing Yolanda funds, but hey look at the GDP, and the high confidence of the investors. We are even lending money now to 9 other countries. Akalain mo! We are no longer the sick man of Asia sabi ng Bloomberg. To them, there is no reason to change the status quo because they can still live with it, unfortunately this is not the sentiment shared by our other Kabayans, especially the ones who are dying out of hunger, the farmer who earns 1000 Pesos per month and had to feed a family of five, or the contractual father earning minimum wage who struggled to buy a cake but missed her Daughter’s birthday because he got stuck in the goddamn MRT. Don’t worry konting tiis na lang we will soon be the next Singapore.
(https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/13083286_10153659422417297_8218632594179486519_n.jpg?oh=891d6703d7756374dc818925ed482c7d&oe=57AB025D)


3. The Sheltered
I tried to listen to Magic 89.9 the other day, the day after Duterte made the comment about Rape Joke, all the RJs with their usual Fil-Am accents are enraged, obviously it was tasteless bad remark,  then came this 21-year old caller with a valley girl conyo accent, who starts saying things like :

“I dunno, like for me , maybe financial corruption is not a bad as moral corruption, like I think Duterte is morally corrupt, because how can he say that…”

These are people who probably  have never taken the public bus or the MRT from Cubao or Monumento, who pretend they care because they want to be seen as an adult,  someone who have substance,  who care about issues....but the the real thoughts running thru their head would be something like : “ who cares… my driver will take me to school and I am meeting my friends at BGC later…oh and we need to start booking front row seats to the Coldplay concert like NOW! Manong can you please turn up the AC...”

These are the people that make me sad, that make me realize how wide the gap is between the rich and the dirt poor in the Philippines. It is so wide that they can actually literally live in a different world while staying in the same country.
(https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/13062533_10153659429862297_4348467178133521177_n.jpg?oh=94233f9260fa503a4e6c89a7b4476ad8&oe=57B2BA65)
If I was president, I would include immersion in the provinces as part of the high school curriculum, let girls like her live with local families and learn to plant rice.

Also, I find it curious that the Magic 89.9 Djs had a lot to say about the inappropriate rape joke, etc,  but this is the same station that has been airing “Boys Night Out”  for a over decade,  talk about perpetuating Macho culture : 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp-...
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4. The Religious
The bible says thou shall not kill.  Alleged Extra judicial killings, support of Death Penalty, extra-marital affairs, for the religious,  those are not the qualities of a leader that should represent our 80% Christian / Catholic nation. Their moral dilemma: How can you as a good Christian, as a member of the Faith, choose a man of questionable morals to lead our country? How dare he curse the Pope?

Except he wasn’t really cursing the Pope, he was cursing the traffic caused by the Pope’s arrival and apparently the Pope being an open-minded socialist had already said “chill, dude its all good.”

But then again, perhaps Tita Alma is right, Dasal lang talaga dasal.
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5. The High and Mighty
Jessica Zafra, Cynthia Patag, Carlos Celdran, what do they have in common?

They think they are the only ones capable of critical thinking and everbody else is an idiot lured by their so-called Id, by the baduy masa. Pinoys are so stupid,  so gullible, so...Pedestrian. For them the Dutertards are the jologs, the squatters , the call center agents, the BPO employees who owe their Starbucks to Mar Roxas and can only afford to go to Singapore because of promo fares.

To be honest, I used to have this air of imperial Manila entitlement before. When I was younger I used to like Ms. Zafra and her Daria-inspired personality, the “I hate everyone and they are all so dumb”, mentality. I used to be Carlos Celdran - his “I am a Manilena , I studied in La Salle, I’m not your regular Pinay” snotty upper middle class view.  I can relate somehow when Ms. Zafra said  “Don’t go for the cool guy,” because I was once smitten with the Jordan Catalanos. The jerks who are not good for you, but you just feel in your heart that they can save you from your miserable life.

I feel you Ms. Zafra, to be rejected by cool guys time and again, to be so intellectually superior that nobody seem to get it, unfortunately this is not my lovelife or some movie we are talking about, and your pseudo-psychoanalysis falls short in acknowledging and respecting the IQ and EQ of our electorate, OUR Kabayans. Yes as much as you don’t want to be, NEWSFLASH : you are still one of us, unless of course you are an American citizen like Grace Poe.

And many of our kabayans, yes even the ones from Davao, from Cebu, the majority who speak Bisaya, are capable of Critical thinking. The Dutertards have their reasons. If you are sincere in your desire to help the country, I beg you to please go down your intellectual / social high horse and stop judging them.

To all of you who fall into this category, if you are really interested in Nation Building, perhaps you might want to start at meeting the rest of your countrymen in the middle.
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6. The Ones who are scared of Martial Law-
I vaguely remember 1986. My mom and my dad were out in the streets in EDSA, fighting to be free, shouting “Tama na, Palitan na.” My lola at home grumbling about how these kids today, they don’t know what they are doing. She was a Marcos loyalist,  my Grandpa, her husband, was Ilocano.

My mom knew the horrors of Martial Law, how the dictator’s regime have oppressed their freedoms. She is scared of an authoritarian figure, and fearful of a militarized state, rightly so. So many have been tortured, so many have died just so the Marcoses can remain in power and control the Philippines. Until now we are paying the interest of the Marcoses and his cronies’ stolen wealth. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

For my mom and many others who fought for their freedoms in the People Power revolution of 1986, a Duterte presidency is a risk we cannot afford.  These are the same people who question the fact that Duterte is friendly with the Enemy. The left, the NPA, the Communists, the MILF, the MNLF, and rebel Muslims of Mindanao, the Chinese. Valid concerns.

Duterte addresses this in a statement saying : I have to be friendly with my enemies, because when the time comes, I need to talk to them about nation building.

A revolution , any revolution, is dangerous, and so is a civil war.

 Perhaps (and without sarcasm this time) my mom is right, perhaps it is better to be safe in chains, than dead in the gutter.
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In the end, I came to my own conclusion. Mayor Duterte is still a better choice than the self-serving Oligarchy that currently runs my country. Why?

Because he is a Bayaw... my offensive foul mouth uncle whom I am embarrassed to introduce to my  La Salle friends for fear that being associated with him will reduce their opinion of me, but when push comes to shove , if I ever get to be harassed or discriminated against, I know I can come to him and he will fight for me, kill for me if necessary.

Because he inspires hope and respect in my Fellow pinoys, who have long had their dignity stripped off, who have forgotten what its like to fight for our rights, who have perennially been trained to not make a fuzz and just say “HELLO MAM, SER” out of habit and without question.

Because in as much as we want the the Philippines to be as progressive as Canada, to be ready for an Intellectual gender-sensitive leader , right now we are in the dumps and we need a Garbage collector. It is like the scene from the movie The Beach, when they decided to throw away the dead guy so they can carry on with their version of Paradise, well we can no longer ignore the stench of the cadaver.

Because as much as I respect Sen. Miriam, I am not as  naive as I once was. She has no chance of winning this election, she has Stage 4 Cancer, and the only way anybody outside of the ruling class (not supported by the Cojuangcos) can win is by a landslide. A vote for her would give them an opportunity to rig the results in their favor. Aside from that I believe she is a much better legislator, her charming pick up lines do not exactly extend to inspire the majority and scare the criminals.

Because he seem to be the most genuinely Patriotic among the lot. It seemed ludicrous at first when he said he was finally forced to run because they have allowed a Non-Filipino, an American citizen to run for office. At first I thought that was OA, but now I realise that it is a very very valid reason if you are a true patriot.

Because I really believe he is a good guy who loves his country despite his foul mouth and crass personality,  he has Davao City and his humble lifestyle to show for it. Unfortunately our People power revolution 30years on have barely anything to show, except an improved economy mostly fuelled by BPOs ,  OFW Remittances, and consumerism brought on by modern day slavery that the oligarchs  love to patronize  as our “bagong bayani” (modern day heroes).

Because I want to move towards Federalism - the idea of decongesting Manila by developing our countryside and making our LGUs more accountable to their constituents. Maybe if each region would be as progressive as Manila and Davao, then we can respond better to emergencies, maybe incidents like Yolanda,  Kidapawan and Mamasapano would have been more efficiently handled if there was less red tape in Government agencies. Most of all, if there were decent jobs in the province wouldn’t you rather have a beach side office and not worry about manila’s traffic?

Because Rape jokes aside, really what are we all doing in 1989? Would any of our leaders now be willing to sacrifice themselves the way he did?

Because I realize, despite my best efforts to rid myself of the burden of responsibility, that I am a still Filipino, sa isip, sa salita, sa gawa, and to quote the mayor “If I lose my identity I will lose myself.”

Because I now believe that the only way to help bring about real change, and real inclusive growth is to  respect and support the struggles of my country men.

And even if the Mayor will not win this election, I would still be willing to come to his town and thank him for letting me come face to face with my demons, reminding me what real  Pinoy pride means.
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Mabuhay ang Pilipinas.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 27, 2016, 08:42 AM
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Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 27, 2016, 12:12 PM
Mr. Libre strikes again.

Jojo Binay: “Under my leadership, no poor Filipino will die because of illness. I want our country [to be rich enough] that even the manicure and pedicure are free, especifically for senior citizens.”
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Apr 27, 2016, 12:49 PM
Foreign fund outflows show poll jitters: BDO


The Philippines recorded a net outflow of foreign funds in April, reflecting investor jitters over an impending leadership change, the chief investment officer of the country's largest bank said Tuesday.

Davao City Mayor Rodrigo Duterte and Sen. Grace Poe, the two frontrunners in the May 9 elections, are the "biggest risk" because they are "really unknown" to foreign fund managers, said BDO Unibank's Frederico Rafael Ocampo.

The net outflow in April was "glaring" because the Philippines was tipped for robust growth this year and other emerging markets such as India and Indonesia posted net inflows during the same period.

"There are jitters as we've seen in April, from a net inflow in March we reversed to a net outflow," Ocampo told ANC's "Market Edge with Cathy Yang."

"That reflects the jitters. He (Duterte) is a relatively unknown entity. They have to see if his tough words are matched with tough action," said Ocampo, who is also a senior vice president at BDO.

The first test for Duterte or Poe, if elected, would be to appoint a competent economic team, Ocampo said.


 

Ocampo said the Philippine Stock Exchange Index (PSEI) was expected to trade within a tight range of 7,150 to 7,300 points in the run-up to May 9 as investors stay largely on the sidelines.

"Political risk now is on its way up as we head to e-day (election day) and with the very tight election expect it to go down the wire," he said.

Duterte widened his lead over erstwhile frontrunner Poe to 12 points in the April 12 to 17 survey by ABS-CBN and Pulse Asia. It was the widest margin so far in what started as a tight four-way race that included administration bet Mar Roxas and Vice President Jejomar Binay.

The 71-year-old mayor, who has vowed a ruthless campaign against crime and drug abuse, has not detailed how he will sustain the country's economic growth that is among the fastest in the world.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Apr 27, 2016, 01:05 PM
This is just for my entertainment than anything else... :D

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a) Pinoys from all sectors are engaged. In fact the usually indifferent middle class have finally reached a boiling point.
b) Social media has given us a platform to openly vent, debate, and share information
c) An outsider candidate, one that is not of the ruling class is running for the highest office , and lo and behold, he might actually win.

a. Pinoys are engaged not because they have reached a boiling point. Sus, tagal na nating nasa boiling point. May smartphones lang tayo ngayon kaya bawat chismis o comment at wrong information, sagap natin.
b. really the biggest reason why this election is so out of whack than the previous ones. Free for all. As in, pati Singapore PM nakikigulo (ganun tayo kaimportante sa SG?). Lol.
c. WRONG. He has been in power for almost 25 years, how is that an outsider candidate? He has his own dynasty going on in Davao. Ang outsider, si Roy Seneres. :rofl: Or… maybe she meant outsider = not from NCR? But MDS herself has a thick bisaya accent (ilonggo, waray, something else?), and a non-conformist, shouldn’t we consider her as outsider too? binay is also outsider, as far as uprightness is concerned. Mar is outsider becoz he has no mass appeal, and is perceived as pro-elite and trying hard magpaka-masa. Poe is outsider, in fact she was American for a long while. Everyone's outsider, depends on the context.

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So all this is coming from a perspective that aims to understand my peers and why some of them are so disgusted with an outsider that apparently most of my kabayans want to elect.

Stop calling him outsider then we can have a real conversation.

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In my opinion, there are 6 kinds of people who hate Mayor Duterte’s guts :
1. The Progressive Pacifist Idealist  - People who believe in “delikadeza”, people who champion civility, who always weigh their words, always aim to be politically correct, trying hard not to offend anyone.
These are the educated, open-minded people. The people you love to have over for dinner. My good friends. Human rights, LGBT rights, Womens rights, Animal rights, Disabled rights, they will fight for all these causes, because they are outstanding human beings. Sure they are a citizen of the Philippines, but they are also a Global citizen. They know because they have travelled or have met with a lot of other decent human beings from all over the world.

So, what’s so bad about them?

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2. The Nerd
You know these type. They are the first ones to come up with answers, because they have memorized the entire book. Summer from School of Rock, yes that’s her/him. They follow the rules, they respect due process, they are the teacher’s pet, straight As and all. They will defend the current admin because according them change is gradual, and if we worked hard enough, we will be successful. Huwag daw tayong tamad. Let’s do our homework.  Let us not rock the boat, let us not question the establishment after all, they provide structure. Sure there are failings and some missing Yolanda funds, but hey look at the GDP, and the high confidence of the investors. We are even lending money now to 9 other countries. Akalain mo! We are no longer the sick man of Asia sabi ng Bloomberg. To them, there is no reason to change the status quo because they can still live with it, unfortunately this is not the sentiment shared by our other Kabayans, especially the ones who are dying out of hunger, the farmer who earns 1000 Pesos per month and had to feed a family of five, or the contractual father earning minimum wage who struggled to buy a cake but missed her Daughter’s birthday because he got stuck in the goddamn MRT. Don’t worry konting tiis na lang we will soon be the next Singapore.

Is this what people call "anti-intellectualism"? Like its bad to be intellectual and upright?

Yeah, the likes of Bill Gates, Mark Z., Warren B. would be in this category, if they were pinoys. I’m just not sure if they are voting for Trump in their own elections.

Btw, totoo ba yung fb story on the father with a cake? Hindi  ba yun ice cream? na kinain na lang nya kasi natutunaw na? Kalahating galon. If true, its so very sad a story, but these days, we can’t distinguish anymore what’s real and what’s not, especially in FB. And just because we read it, we feel so sorry for the guy that we will do everything in our power to vindicate this injustice. Right.

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3. The Sheltered
I tried to listen to Magic 89.9 the other day, the day after Duterte made the comment about Rape Joke, all the RJs with their usual Fil-Am accents are enraged, obviously it was tasteless bad remark,  then came this 21-year old caller with a valley girl conyo accent, who starts saying things like :
“I dunno, like for me , maybe financial corruption is not a bad as moral corruption, like I think Duterte is morally corrupt, because how can he say that…”
These are people who probably  have never taken the public bus or the MRT from Cubao or Monumento, who pretend they care because they want to be seen as an adult,  someone who have substance,  who care about issues....but the the real thoughts running thru their head would be something like : “ who cares… my driver will take me to school and I am meeting my friends at BGC later…oh and we need to start booking front row seats to the Coldplay concert like NOW! Manong can you please turn up the AC...”

I would have loved for the writer to have tried to call in on that show and give that conya a well-deserved @#$%^&**&^%^&*. But she decided to keep to herself and then criticize these bastards online where they cannot respond or defend themselves, directly.  Confront them and put them in their place if the situation calls for it. Hindi yung pupunta ka sa internet saka ka ngangawngaw at ikaw na bigla ang maganda at nag-iisip. Kaya, nalito ako, sino ba talaga ang nagmamalinis dito?

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These are the people that make me sad, that make me realize how wide the gap is between the rich and the dirt poor in the Philippines. It is so wide that they can actually literally live in a different world while staying in the same country.

The same way that this writer makes the others sad. Tabla-tabla lang, teh. :P

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If I was president, I would include immersion in the provinces as part of the high school curriculum, let girls like her live with local families and learn to plant rice.

Yun na nga. Madali lang mag-isip ng “if I was president” scenario, kahit sa Ms. Barang-Gay tinatanong yan... because at the back of your mind, its not gonna happen, but as long as we’re dreaming, then dream on pa more. You don’t have to be president madam to do that. Just enlist yourself to become a PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHER and work your way up to DEPED, until you become their strategist or policy head. About 20 years of pure labor of love, for the children, for the country, at a meager, just-above-the-minimum-salary. Terrorized by that horrific thought, yet?

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Also, I find it curious that the Magic 89.9 Djs had a lot to say about the inappropriate rape joke, etc,  but this is the same station that has been airing “Boys Night Out”  for a over decade,  talk about perpetuating Macho culture : 

Is she a listener of that show, though? Hope somebody asks. Coz I don’t, so I don’t even know its format or content. I don’t listen to the Tambalang Chris and Nicole either. But they're often on the radio of taxi drivers, so no choice. We digress. Just like the writer. Talk about the rape joke, not the people who talked about the rape joke, ok?

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4. The Religious
The bible says thou shall not kill.  Alleged Extra judicial killings, support of Death Penalty, extra-marital affairs, for the religious,  those are not the qualities of a leader that should represent our 80% Christian / Catholic nation. Their moral dilemma: How can you as a good Christian, as a member of the Faith, choose a man of questionable morals to lead our country? How dare he curse the Pope?

Except he wasn’t really cursing the Pope, he was cursing the traffic caused by the Pope’s arrival and apparently the Pope being an open-minded socialist had already said “chill, dude its all good.”
Talk about putting words in people’s mouth.

And I do hope she braces herself becoz if D wins, there will be at least 6 more years of her trying to explain every dang word that comes out of D's mouth dahil mali ang intindi ng sangkatauhan sa kung ano talagang sinasabi nya. (like, nagsosorry ba sya o hindi about the rape joke? Nagsosorry generally but not specifically... copy... ay hindi pala sya ang nagssorry kundi ung mga asungot nyang campaigners na nangengealam... ay nagsorry naman di nya lang binasa maigi yung pinapirmahan sa kanyan apology statement...)

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5. The High and Mighty
Jessica Zafra, Cynthia Patag, Carlos Celdran, what do they have in common?

These are high and mighty peeps? Weh? Celdran??!?? You don’t say!! :D Zafra even had to seek financial assistance that time she almost died. Patag is still Cynthia from Palibhasa Lalake, for me – though she did have her short stint as speech writer of Erap… Anyway, these are opinionated persons, esp Zafra, who make a living sharing her opinions about politics, about movies, about whatevs. Calling them high and mighty speaks a lot more about the one branding them as such, than them.

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They think they are the only ones capable of critical thinking and everbody else is an idiot lured by their so-called Id, by the baduy masa. Pinoys are so stupid,  so gullible, so...Pedestrian. For them the Dutertards are the jologs, the squatters , the call center agents, the BPO employees who owe their Starbucks to Mar Roxas and can only afford to go to Singapore because of promo fares.
To be honest, I used to have this air of imperial Manila entitlement before. When I was younger I used to like Ms. Zafra and her Daria-inspired personality, the “I hate everyone and they are all so dumb”, mentality. I used to be Carlos Celdran - his “I am a Manilena , I studied in La Salle, I’m not your regular Pinay” snotty upper middle class view.  I can relate somehow when Ms. Zafra said  “Don’t go for the cool guy,” because I was once smitten with the Jordan Catalanos. The jerks who are not good for you, but you just feel in your heart that they can save you from your miserable life.
I feel you Ms. Zafra, to be rejected by cool guys time and again, to be so intellectually superior that nobody seem to get it, unfortunately this is not my lovelife or some movie we are talking about, and your pseudo-psychoanalysis falls short in acknowledging and respecting the IQ and EQ of our electorate, OUR Kabayans. Yes as much as you don’t want to be, NEWSFLASH : you are still one of us, unless of course you are an American citizen like Grace Poe.


Hindi porket taga-Manila ka, imperialist ka na or feeling entitled ka na. Kaya nga nauso ang mga travel sa kung saan-saang sulok ng pinas, dahil maraming taga-manila ang gustong lumabas at makakita ng mas magagandang tanawin. kung entitled manila imperialist sya, wag nya lahatin.

That part where she talks about zafra, his is misplaced. she could’ve written this on a separate blog post and lay down her counter-arguments point by point, rather than making a hurried swipe at these 3 different personalities in something she has already passed off as a think piece.

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And many of our kabayans, yes even the ones from Davao, from Cebu, the majority who speak Bisaya, are capable of Critical thinking. The Dutertards have their reasons. If you are sincere in your desire to help the country, I beg you to please go down your intellectual / social high horse and stop judging them.

To all of you who fall into this category, if you are really interested in Nation Building, perhaps you might want to start at meeting the rest of your countrymen in the middle.

This one, malabo. Meeting them in the middle… the Davaoenos or Cebuanos? The DUtertards? The countrymen? Which exactly? I assume the last one, and yet again, it’s difficult to specify which countrymen she’s referring to. If she’s referring to the marginalized poor (or those Leni would refer to as “nasa laylayan” hahaha), then I totally disagree about meeting them in the middle. You don’t meet them in the middle, becoz they can’t even afford to go UP to the middle. So if you wanna help, then you go down their level or even lower, work with them, be with them, then you push them up.
Meeting them in the middle, also means, magsulat ka sa sariling wika.

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6. The Ones who are scared of Martial Law-
For my mom and many others who fought for their freedoms in the People Power revolution of 1986, a Duterte presidency is a risk we cannot afford.  These are the same people who question the fact that Duterte is friendly with the Enemy. The left, the NPA, the Communists, the MILF, the MNLF, and rebel Muslims of Mindanao, the Chinese. Valid concerns.
Duterte addresses this in a statement saying : I have to be friendly with my enemies, because when the time comes, I need to talk to them about nation building.

Scared of Martial law is different from LEARNED from martial law.

And I personally don’t see any martial law angle to Duterte. He’s too much of a flip-flopper and clumsy blabbermouth to make surreptitious, decisive decisions such as a martial law.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Apr 27, 2016, 02:02 PM
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Because as much as I respect Sen. Miriam, I am not as  naive as I once was. She has no chance of winning this election, she has Stage 4 Cancer, and the only way anybody outside of the ruling class (not supported by the Cojuangcos) can win is by a landslide. A vote for her would give them an opportunity to rig the results in their favor. Aside from that I believe she is a much better legislator, her charming pick up lines do not exactly extend to inspire the majority and scare the criminals.


Not voting for MDS isn’t always about “poor judgment” but just being practical.
Why isn’t anybody thinking about A Miriam presidency as a risk to national interest? An ailing president would be a cause of political instability, where everyone’s just asking “naospital ba, sinong papalit, kaya pa ba nya, is she making a sane decision or is her medication affecting her thinking…”. This is physical incapacity which is an actual ground for the VP to succeed (until the incapacity is declared gone). So really, not considering her anymore as a contender is just so we keep away from that remote but real possibility.

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Because Rape jokes aside, really what are we all doing in 1989? Would any of our leaders now be willing to sacrifice themselves the way he did?
What happened in 1989? The rape/hostage thing?

What sacrifice is she saying? Hmm. By his own story, his tropa is fully armed, and with his order, the f*ckers were all killed. Very worthy of a Hollywood movie. Anong sacrifice dun, when he offered to be the hostage in place of the kid? Bwahahaha.

May nakakaalala pa ba sa Kuratong Baleleng? Didn’t that shoot-out put Lacson’s reputation at the lowest of lows dahil pinaulanan ng bala ang mga confirmed kidnap-for-ransom group? So, if this happens again, we should be ok about it. Si Lacson habambuhay yan dinala sa balikat nya (and his reputation never really recovered as far as I can tell), but D we should be giving standing ovation and elect him. For something that happened 26 years ago. Because he ordered mass killings and for offering himself to be hostaged. Hmmm.

But ateng, as much as I respect you because you’ve written this really well..  in the real world, THE PRESIDENT SHOULD NOT AND CANNOT RISK HIS LIFE THAT WAY. There is so much at stake for a president to be so emotionally-invested in whatever situation, that he becomes suicidal. The country, with 100 million population, needs him to stay alive AT ALL COST.  Putting his life in harm's way is putting the country's interest, at risk, putting his 100M constituents, at risk. Ang pag-jet ski papuntang Scarborough ay hindi katapangan o kabayanihan, kundi katangahan. Unang una, he'll get stuck and die in the middle of the sea kung naka-jet ski lang sya papunta dun. If by some miracle he gets within 5 nautical miles into the territory, he will be shot at. Getting yourself killed will make your country go to war which it will surely lose. Anubey.

A president staying in the palace (and not going into full combat attire and make sugod the halang ang kaluluwa himself), is as much a hero as those risking their lives to protect the country, if he is doing what he has sworn to do. hence, all presidents (excluding FM), are all entitled to be buried at the libingan ng mga bayani. Make sense, devah? Of course if there is war, an actual state-vs-state war, the president should be there on the battlefield – not to fire the canyons himself, but to give orders, direction and inspiration to his soldiers.

And remember, D had to have them killed, precisely because, the negotiations fell through at ni-rape at pinatay pa rin ang hostage. At sa gigil nya na hindi sya sinunod, patayin silang lahat. Hindi yun sacrifice. Amok yun ateng, amok.

I think all of these admiration for D is really just a product of watching too many action-hero movies (and in the case of Deadpool, anti-hero movie). We forget the sad reality that the president’s job is one of the boringest job ever, unless again, if there’s an actual war. Most of the time, utak ang pinapagana ng presidente, hindi masel. Kaya nga hindi tumagal si erap e, maya’t-maya nagcacasino na at nagchichicks, dahil bored sa mga walang patumanggang meetings.

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Because I now believe that the only way to help bring about real change, and real inclusive growth is to  respect and support the struggles of my country men.


I do not understand this at all, at best, its nominalization. Respect and support the struggles of my countrymen… is she saying sasama na sya sa Kilusan?

I just had to comment on ^those items because they are just begging for a response… otherwise, her reasons for voting for D are hers and hers alone.

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on Apr 27, 2016, 02:10 PM
Anyway, I have no time to monitor this thread regularly.. so I’ll just leave this here, just a curious question…

if I may just ask… those voting for D… is it safe to assume that at this point in our life, IT’S NOT ABOUT THE ECONOMY, anymore for you? Coz correct me if I’m wrong, but never did the economy ever figured into his speeches/interviews, and only tangentially during debates. I mean, its not something he is interested in enough to discuss substantially.

So his followers must agree that

DRUGS & CRIMES > ECONOMY

Sorry yan lang nakayanan kong econometric formula, :rofl:

Like, that above is what D presidency would look like, in a nutshell. Because drugs/crimes should be the priority of this country, and for now let’s put aside the economy.

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: rds on Apr 27, 2016, 03:06 PM
Foreign fund outflows show poll jitters: BDO

ganyan naman ang market at saka PSE...parehong isang pangyayari, pwedeng gawing dahilan na tumaas o bumaba ang market...
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 27, 2016, 03:35 PM
^dont be so defensive if you dont follow this thread consistently... Its all good... Hehe

Balik sa yo ang tanong.. Economy > drugs and crimes? Lol

Or should i expand : economy (macro only) > drugs and crimes and all the inconveniences only a mar roxas could bring in peoples lives?

Wala ako masyado paki sa election dati.

This time, i cant tolerate the yellow. I can say on a personal basis, eto ang pinakabulok na presidente.
Martial law hanggang gloria, im really not that affected personally.

 Kaya no to yellow and white ako. Yellow pa din pag inadd mo... Post ko maya si ms. White, yun traPoe in training...

Btw i have to add,th " our economy will go bad if duterte win" argument remains to be seen. Davao city is rich. Track record again. And ms bjj, youre suffering from the same guniguni syndrome as aome people here. Stop hallucinating.

And with your "economy > crime and drug" equation, you are conceding na for the past 6 years, palpak ang gobyerno na to. And you are still supporting it, and your basis, your guni guni syndrome that we will have a bad economy under duterte.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Prospera on Apr 27, 2016, 04:08 PM
I'm afraid that earnest Du30 female fan, Kristine Abante (granting she actually exists and is not the creation of her idol's shrewd strategists), is in for a rude awakening. :'(

Stumbled upon this in the comments section of today's Inquirer below the article titled
"Trillanes: Duterte has more hidden wealth." http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/781913/trillanes-duterte-has-more-hidden-wealth (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/781913/trillanes-duterte-has-more-hidden-wealth)


THE BINAYS OF DAVAO CITY

• In 2007, the Davao City Government under Mayor Rodrigo Duterte bought garbage
cans for P200 Million. The small garbage bin which City Hall bought from
Duterte's favored supplier for P6,295 per piece would only cost P2,199 if
bought from Department Stores and Hardwares. The bigger bins which Duterte
bought for P11,000 a piece is only worth 5,150 if purchased from Department
Stores and Hardwares.

• In 1996 the Davao City government under Mayor Rodrigo Duterte built a
two-storey Sangguniang Panlungsod building for P150-Million. During that same
period, the management of the nearby Apo View Hotel was built a nine-storey
building that only cost P140 Million. How can a two-storey government building
be more expensive than a nine-storey hotel?

• In 2007, Davao City Mayor Rodrigo Duterte decided to demolish Davao City's
only sports facility called the Kapitan Tomas Monteverde Sports Center and
build a "tree park" instead. For simple concrete walkways and trees
that were planted in a 7-hectare lot, the Davao City government had to spend
P87 Million! With that amount, you can already reforest an entire mountain!

• Based on Commission on Audit's annual report from December 31,2003 up to
2007, Mayor Duterte and the City Council headed by his daughter Sara have yet
to account for P2.9 Billion worth of equipment and properties which were
procured by the City Hall. The COA reported that a colossal 82% of Davao City
Hall's declared assets valued at P2,933,909,784.17 could not be ascertained
because of the failure of the city government to conduct physical count and for
failure to prepare and submit a reports of such physical count.

• Based on the 2008 audit report by COA, the Davao City government collected some
P180-million for Special Education Fund. The amount is a percentage of the real
estate taxes being collected by City Hall from businessmen and real property
owners. SEF is a required by law to help public schools. Instead of using the
money solely for improving public school facilities, Duterte spent nearly P11
Million in just one month for lavish restaurant parties and groceries. CoA
revealed that for just one month, City Hall used the SEF to pay Ayang Food
Caterer (P975,000), Yellow Fin Seafoods & Restaurant (P487,000), Lola
Maming Restaurant & Catering Services (P487,000), Metro Plaza (P1,603,660)
and NCCC (P7.8-million). That 11 Million would have been enough to build 22 newclassrooms!

• In 2000, Duterte claims that he only had P2Million in assets in his Statement
of Assets Liabilities and Networth. His registered income was his salary as
mayor and part owner of the Honda showroom in General Santos City. That was the
time when the marriage of Duterte and his wife Elizabeth Zimmerman . But in
2007, upon their entry to politics, his son Paolo declared in his SALN that had
P20 Million and Sarah also had P18M. Both were jobless before they decided to
enter politics. When asked where they got their money, Sarah said in public
debate that they got the money by way of the so-called advance legitim
(inheritance) as a result the annulment of the their parents' marriage. So how
can Duterte, whose net worth 7 years before was only 2 Million, raise a minimum
of P38 Million which was shared by Sarah and Paolo as part of their inheritance
from their father?

• In 1994, San Miguel Corporation wanted to put up a big brewery in Davao City.
This would have generated thousands of employment for the people of Davao.
However, SMC decided to relocate in the adjoining town of Sta. Cruz, Davao del
Sur because of alleged extortion by members of the city council. Duterte was
not named in the attempted extortion but as mayor, he simply looked the way and
never reprimanded the members of the City Council, all of whom are his political
allies. Extortion has become a normal practice among members of the City
council particularly the so-called DLBM Gang who are all staunch allies of
Duterte.

• In 2008, the entire City Council then headed by daughter Sarah was rocked by
a pay-off scandal involving a property developer Interbev Philippines Davao
which allegedly paid P300,000 to secure a zoning approval. The issue caused
a lot of public uproar that Sarah admitted publicly that there was indeed an
attempt to bribe the city council. The tough-talking Duterte was silent all
throughout and never took any action even just to investigate the issue.

• In 2006 his son Paolo Duterte managed to corner the city's advertising
contract for all of Davao City's center islands. Paolo's Genesis Advertising
which is co-owned by his smuggling partner Glen Escandor was able to secure the
advertising deal for FREE! Under the agreement, the Genesis Advertising was
allowed to build and operate decorative lamps with advertisement spaces
purposely for the Asian Tourism Forum in 2006 at no cost to the city governmebt
but they would be given he option to maintaining these ad spaces even after the
event. If Duterte becomes President, the entire stretch of EDSA will be filled
with Paolo Duterte's advertising decorative lamps.

DESPITE ALL THESE DUTERTE CLAIMS HE IS CLEAN!

JOURNALISTS WHO EXPOSED SOME OF THESE ARE NOW DEAD!

YOU THINK DUTERTE IS BETTER THAN BINAY? THINK AGAIN!
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 27, 2016, 04:16 PM
Ms BJJ, Economy is important for upper middle class and up.
For the masses, it's Peace and Order.

Yan ang feedback I get.

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 27, 2016, 04:21 PM
Mga Ms P & B

Etong Election is really a no contest.
Every candidate has major flaws
A vote for the least evil talaga.

SO by the process of elimination ...
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Apr 27, 2016, 04:50 PM
Dati nakikinig din ako sa Magic kaya lang na-suffocate ang tenga ko sa puro kahalayan at kamachohan na sinasabi nila. Specially nung naging GF ni PNoy si Grace Lee. E radio para sa akin music and important news.  I switched to play FM di nagsasalita nang more than one minute yung DJ don. In short, hindi ang tipo nila ang dapat mong pakinggan tungkol sa issue ng rape joke ni duterte dahil nagtuturo sila kung anu anong kahalayan mula 6am bago pumasok ang mga bata hanggang 6pm na gumagawa sila ng assignment.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 27, 2016, 05:26 PM
Election time...good try.... The oppostion are changing game plan. First, foul mouthedness. Didnot work.

Change plan, corruption. Para tabla tabla lang with other camps, para even battle field.

All i can say is... Neknek...

Not that i believe or not believe these accusations, but i question its timing.

Sobrang halata desperado na kalaban.

May plan c pa naman. sMARtmatic vote counting machine.

Kung accusation lang naman ang labanan. Lol

To add, may plan d pa, impeachment!!! Sakim sa kapangyarihan mga dilaw.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 27, 2016, 05:35 PM
Jenostructure, naaaliw ako sa boys night out. And yun issue na nabring out sa boys night out regarding the rape joke, galit na galit sila. Callers participated.

Im still entertained despite their opinion is different from mine. Pero napansin ko lugi yun mga caller na pro duterte, kasi the host have the last say, they refute, then, babay thanks for calling hahaha....

And one more thing, namemorize ko na ata yun ONLY BINAY jingle being played in Magic. Hahaaha.. Mapansin ko never  nagkaroon ng topic about presidency habang may mga political ads  pa sila.. Tapos nung wala na, they talk about politics na.

Obviously, ayaw nila makaapak sa nagbibigay sa kanila ng kabuhayan, which are the campaign ads...

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Apr 27, 2016, 05:55 PM
Sakit na rin ng magic na kung ano naisip nila, yun na yun. I remember yung topic tungkol sa industry secrets. May tumawag na nagchewing gum lang daw sa stirrups ng flyover sa NAIA, takot na takot si DJ MO. Kaya pala daw nagvibrate ang flyover dahil don. And then may engineer na tumawag para sabihin na natural lang ang vibration sinigawan ni DJ Mo.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: rds on Apr 27, 2016, 06:03 PM
Anyway, I have no time to monitor this thread regularly.. so I’ll just leave this here, just a curious question…

if I may just ask… those voting for D… is it safe to assume that at this point in our life, IT’S NOT ABOUT THE ECONOMY, anymore for you? Coz correct me if I’m wrong, but never did the economy ever figured into his speeches/interviews, and only tangentially during debates. I mean, its not something he is interested in enough to discuss substantially.

So his followers must agree that

DRUGS & CRIMES > ECONOMY

Sorry yan lang nakayanan kong econometric formula, :rofl:

Like, that above is what D presidency would look like, in a nutshell. Because drugs/crimes should be the priority of this country, and for now let’s put aside the economy.

do you mean Duterte is anti-economy?
that if he wins, he will solve only crime-drugs and will neglect economy?

OR to see is to believe..
by solving crime and corruption, he also improved economy - as seen in Davao.

Mar Roxas has all the resources and power as cabinet - but did he solved the problems of traffic, MRT, graft, corruption, and economy (in the poor people's perspective)? He could have done better, to prove himself to be a good president.

Or can Binay do it in Makati, without the Ayala's, etc., not to mention na may alam sya pero, but may extra charge yung serbisyo nya (kupit)

For Miriam, she should have been the president long time ago, pero lumipas na ang opportunity nya (thanks to FVR)

For Poe, I think she could be a good president, mukha namang sincere sya at hindi corrupt, I don't mind that citizenship issue...

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 27, 2016, 08:27 PM
Did Grace or her supporters hire Trillador, the Hack?
Desperation na ata ...

Trira trira pa Trilla, target mo pa si DU30
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 27, 2016, 08:52 PM
Kawawang Mar
Iniwan na ng SWS

Si Leni nalang ang minamagic nila
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 27, 2016, 10:34 PM
https://www.facebook.com/kinlordserafica/videos/10204621038806317/

Wala nang lusot si Mar Roxas with the above video.

MRT - Mar Roxas Tragedy
"Tren na di na magawan ng paraan, bansa pa kaya"

Kaya maraming galit. Kaya maraming ayaw. Kasi mismong buhay nila, kasama ako dyan, apektado.
Di niyo masisi bakit ganyan ang reaksyon ng tao. Ramdam nila ang kapalpakan. Matamis ang dila, matabang naman sa gawa.

Btw, eto theory and observation ko lamang. Marami nagsasbi  mabilis makalimot ang pinoy. Mabilis magpatawad. Tila nakalimutan nila ang and part of marcos regime. Tila nakalimutan na yun FVR  PEA-Amari scandal. Tila nakalimot na sa jueteng ni erap.Tila nakalimut na yun Gloria Hello Garci tape.
Bakit?
Kasi kada administrasyon, may bagong corruption. Tila nabubura sa ala ala ang lumang corruption , nasapaw ng bagong corruption. Eto masaklap, etong administrasyong ito, di lang di masagot ang DOTC plate number fund at yolanda funds among others, buhay ng tao ay direktang apektado. Mrt, yolanda incompetence, tanim bala...  and di mo na mapagkatiwalaan ang media, sobrang halata.

Kaya i despise the yellow ribbon.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 27, 2016, 11:06 PM
hahahaa, fr an fb comment, lol
masyado nyong tinatakot sarili nyo nag 6k nga index ng PSE si Grace Poe pa ang #1 ranked noon

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Thinking out loud : I wonder sino dyan Poe-Trillanes... lol

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I miss bauer. Siya nagsimula  ng serial campaigning AGAINST a candidate with memes and all.
Tumigil.
Siguro nagiisip pa ng sagot  hanggang ngayon sa tanong ko.
"Panay negative and slander ang post mo kay  Duterte, pero willing naman ng kanididato mo na si Poe na kunin siya bilang DILG sec. Bakit?"
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on Apr 28, 2016, 01:59 AM
Nganga si Digong hinihintay kong sabihan niya ulit ng idiot si Trillanes. Pag nagdemanda siya labasan ng baho sa korte, abangan ang susunod na hakbang kung hindi takot sa korte.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 28, 2016, 09:04 AM
Maybe DU30 is being wise lang.
The Election is his to lose now while that Trillador has nothing to lose.

"Never tangle with the man who has nothing to lose."

Hmm ... unless you're sending him away permanently, hehe.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 28, 2016, 09:08 AM
Watch the Season Finale of the Philippine 3 Stooges!

Hint: They are fighting each other now.

PnTel managed to team up with his kabayan (Mindanao) would be President.
Mang Tano was mercifully allowed to ride shotgun with the would be President.
Trillador as called an idiot and left out in the cold.

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 28, 2016, 09:09 AM
Ang love triangle - 2 guys 1 girl or 2 girls 1 guy

Etong Election Square - 3 guys 1 Pres
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 28, 2016, 10:36 AM
"Philippines' Aquino vows to 'neutralise' Abu Sayyaf kidnappers"

5 years plus wala na nga nangyari. Asa.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 28, 2016, 10:47 AM
Duterte in Malabon
(http://s5.postimg.org/3zzqu9i7r/Duterte_in_Malabon.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
free upload image (http://postimage.org/)
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 28, 2016, 10:56 AM
Duterte in CAMANAVA  area (caloocan, malabon, navotas, valenzuela)
(http://s5.postimg.org/6ilfuy3xz/Camanava_area.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
upload gambar (http://postimage.org/)
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: CodyDeegan on Apr 28, 2016, 12:33 PM
Do you live in the Philippines?

Yes, I am living here. Why'd you ask?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on Apr 28, 2016, 05:12 PM
Magmula pag file ng candidacy palaging late tinatamad, napipilitan. Nasaan ang enthusiasm ng Digong para mamuno. May panahon pa para magbago ng isip, palaging nasa hulihan ang pag sisisis.

Ang corruption hindi lang sinusukat sa nakaw na pera, pag sayang ng oras, paglabag sa batas above the law, pakikipagkaibigan sa kalaban ng bayan ay form of corruption rin.

Sa pagpili ng presidente hindi pwedeng FANATICO lang.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on Apr 28, 2016, 05:51 PM
Umpisahan na ang sisihan ha ha maski sa economic agenda wala siya maipakita sa MBC ha ha. 103 botante sana maka move on kayo pag bumagsak itong PSE.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: TulogSaPancitan on Apr 28, 2016, 07:02 PM
Umpisahan na ang sisihan ha ha maski sa economic agenda wala siya maipakita sa MBC ha ha. 103 botante sana maka move on kayo pag bumagsak itong PSE.

nganga. as expected. but his fanbase is still strong. which is sad. now this issue of waiver. binawi. anu ba tlaga.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 28, 2016, 07:55 PM
^^^^^lol, ayan naman si mr. Twist and shout. Read again, kung binawi nga ba. At kung anong waiver yun na sign, at kung binabawi niya... Para kang daga na susulpot lang pag may keso, yun ang akala mo, keso. Tago uli sa lungga pag mali... Susulpot ka lang, palpak pa....

Naka ilang strike ka na uyyy....lol


Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: rds on Apr 28, 2016, 09:10 PM
Umpisahan na ang sisihan ha ha maski sa economic agenda wala siya maipakita sa MBC ha ha. 103 botante sana maka move on kayo pag bumagsak itong PSE.

sige...umpisahan mo nang ibenta ang stocks mo at huwag ka nang bumili. huwag mong isisi sa 103 ang mga bagay ng kaya mong i-kontrol.

kaya mong kontrolin yung pag benta at bili mo ng stocks, pero hindi yung demokrasyang bomoto ang tao ayon sa kanilang pasya.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on Apr 28, 2016, 10:13 PM
sige...umpisahan mo nang ibenta ang stocks mo at huwag ka nang bumili. huwag mong isisi sa 103 ang mga bagay ng kaya mong i-kontrol.

kaya mong kontrolin yung pag benta at bili mo ng stocks, pero hindi yung demokrasyang bomoto ang tao ayon sa kanilang pasya.

Ahh ha ha nagpakilala ang isa.

Maliwanag naman at nakikita kung ano pinag gagawa nang tao di ba. Ang sinungaling ay kapatid ng magnanakaw. Hindi pa rin nadadala.ang mga tao madali pa rin mauto.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 28, 2016, 10:25 PM
^^^^ ano ngayon kung nagpakilala.

Gin-eto. Ya may "tama"ka. Ikaw na mag interpret kung anong tama yan.

Masasabi ko lang. Ok lang negative campaigning. Part of the game yan. Nasa tao na yan kung saan sila boboto o papanig.

Palibhasa self righteous ka. Sasabihin mo , yun 103 na bumoto mali.  Nakakahiya ka. Si TSP na din. Magsama kayo. Isang nagbabaloktot ng impormasyon, isang baloktot magexpress kaya di maintindihan minsan mga post. Tulog sa Pansitan plus Gineto. #TulogGin.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: freefront on Apr 28, 2016, 10:31 PM
Whoever wins, can people please start managing their expectations. If Duterte becomes president, he is going to be a desk jockey. A jobnik. He is a franchise that will be managed by a cordon sanitaire. Him bucking the systems in place will sow civil unrest and destroy that franchise. The PSG will have a very trying and interesting few months, to start with.

He said he will be traveling by plane to Davao for the weekends. A security and economic nightmare.  Either that or he makes his common-law-wife legal and bring his young family to the palace( Did he marry #2? He had his annulment in the late 80's di ba). I think it is cruel to make his woman a target for cruel tongues, nor would Duterte be that callous. There is a young daughter to consider. Maski sabihin pa ng tao na babantayan ang pamilya nya, kasama pa rin sa trabaho ng PSG na bantayan sila. He will feel the full weight of his office and will be cloaked with the  gravitas that he can't get away from. The pageantry of his position---all that pomp and ceremony, he won't be driving a taxi incognito for sure. .

Whatelse? He will start filling up positions, giving back favors, receiving courtesy calls from a LOT of people, posing for photos, etc.

In the meantime, there's an election to be won. You can unfollow your friends and relatives from facebook if they litter your space with garbage.  You certainly shouldn't disown your mother lol
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 28, 2016, 10:47 PM
^well yea, expectations managed of course.

You have some points there. But dont count the chicks when eggs are unhatched.

Just like Trillanes already talking about impeachment.... lol...  definitely ill manage my expectation as opposition will be like crabs trying to pull him down. Or like TSP trying to twist him around into a dry towel.

still my forecast Poe-bbm or Poe Leni. Plan a to plan z already laid out. lol
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 28, 2016, 11:13 PM
(http://s5.postimg.org/m47csn59z/file_affidavit_first.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
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We shall see, apparently pag may affidavit na can file counter charges against trillanes if hindi totoo....

Abang abang nalang m̶g̶a̶  ang d̶a̶g̶a̶  matabang bubwit sa lungga....
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 28, 2016, 11:29 PM
(http://s5.postimg.org/k26vee7av/hakotqueen_again.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)
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Hakot Queen Strikes Again.

May attendance sheet? lol
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on Apr 28, 2016, 11:42 PM
Malabo ba ito o gusto lang ng tao dahil fanatico.

1. No I wiil not run for president I am not qualified stop it!. Then after a year aguinaldo came and he runs. This is absolutely lying. Not a very good sign.

2. In my presidency I will remove algebra and trigo in the school curriculum for me it's very hard, I also failed in my economy subject. And everybody love this changes. Nice.

3. I will make the Philippines like Davao there is no crime there and everybody afraid of me. People see Davao as a good example. Yes of course because it is 20 years in the making not 3 or 6 months. But mind you it is still 4th in the list of most crime committed. Drugs, smuggling, murder. It would be better if it is at least in the 9th place. And so, still nobody afraid of him. He is effective? pssstttt...

4. I will resolve crime and corruption in 3 to 6 months. They say the other candidates are all false promises but what they don't realize, when you give time frame to your promises it is fooling the people.

5. He is a friend of NPA and rebels. In communist country there is no Democratic rebels only in the Philippines.

6. So what is Federalism? It is for his rebel friends.

7. The other day there is a dramatic release of captured policemen by his NPA friend making him hero again.

8. I will ride a jet ski and plant our Philippine Flag in Spratly, A sane comment in a very important serious debate.

9. I will burn those cars to resolve traffic. A mild manner decision of would be president.

10. Pope #$@* go home. He will lead the country spiritually. Not arrogant? He is a saint.

11. During rally he loves bragging about his escapades, womanizing, killing spree. And the people loves him more.

12. $^&* and *&^%$ is his common expression.

13. He is not arrogant dealing with foreign envoy.

14. I have no account in BPI. The next day, i have an account there too. Not a liar.

15. He has a death squad that already killed thousands by summary execution and they will come to Manila soon.

16. I endorses Pinoy and Mar not my friend Erap because they are a winning candidates. TRAPO.

17. I warned you it would be bloody during my term. Kuratong baleleng, whitewash, summary execution, salvage. Wow the country is now a nation of crime and terror.

18. I am against corruption. Really?
19.
20.
To be continued.
18.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 28, 2016, 11:45 PM
^yawn.. back read ka na lang.. some re already tackled. go on with your negative campaign... its your freedom
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: myrmidon on Apr 29, 2016, 04:16 AM
Fear & Love
by Orion Perez

As many of you may already know that I've been a voracious reader and a meticulous researcher of history, I've constantly been looking carefully at the patterns of how peace and order get established and the pattern is clear.

Prissiness and naïve idealism don't work, but pragmatism does. To some purely idealistic people, pragmatism is seen as "evil" but at the end of the day, it's what works.

Naïve idealism has unfortunately very often ended up creating more evil people because the naïve idealists have simply ended up tolerating bad behavior and they really don't know how to properly deal with bad behavior because they're too prissy and "nice." They "turn-the-other-cheek" and in the end, the bad guys win AND THEY MULTIPLY.

Many people who don't really study history in great detail and don't take note of the obvious patterns of what work versus what don't work don't have a very good grasp of how the concept of the RULE OF LAW actually comes into being. They just assume that Rule of Law comes naturally, not understanding that all societies that enjoy a strong Rule of Law actually required the exertion of a lot of effort just to get it established.

They don't realize, for instance, that the painstaking process of building up the RULE OF LAW actually involves a great amount of instilling a certain underlying fear and appropriate use of conditioning via reward versus punishment, especially in the initial stages of setting it up. Later on, once everyone is used to it, then there won't need to be that much application of "fear" as people will behave well and avoid bad behavior purely as the result of "force of habit."

But during the initial stages when there isn't much order yet, people have to fear the fact that there will be consequences for bad behavior. People have to know that if they do something bad, something bad will happen to them.

That's why in the history of the world, symbols of authority or lawful government have often included depictions of weapons. In Ancient Rome (and even in modern day France), they use the symbol of the FASCES which actually features an AXE. In many other societies, they had depictions of swords, and in the case of Westminster-derived Parliaments, the symbol of authority in Parliament is a MACE which again is a weapon.

The underlying message of these supposed symbols of "civilization" actually comes from a "primordial and barbaric past", that "if you do not follow the law and do something bad, WE WILL USE THIS ON YOU."

This is what many naïve-idealists, prissy elites, and ivory tower intellectuals don't know or don't want to admit. But because I have been reading up on the histories of so many different societies ever since I was a kid, I've seen the pattern very clearly: the Rule of Law and the concept of Authority is actually based on an underlying FEAR of the consequences of bad behavior.

Over time, as people get continually conditioned to keep doing good deeds, exhibiting good behavior and avoiding bad behavior, all this becomes SECOND NATURE to them, and it is no longer really necessary to keep on emphasizing the FEAR aspect of law and order because as the bulk of society avoids chaos, avoids harming others, and just continues to be good, then there's no need to keep coercing the people to stay good by having to keep talking about the consequences of bad behavior and showing examples of what will happen if they do bad things. After all, they'd have already gotten so used to behaving properly that they behave properly because of habit.

But just the same, even in these highly "used to doing good" societies that were conditioned by their environment to stay orderly and well-behaved, the symbols of order and authority still tend to use heraldic symbols or logos that feature weapons because it serves as a primordial reminder that "if you do not behave, we may need to use this on you."

Many people have demonized Niccolo Machiavelli as being some evil ideologue who was espousing evil and unscrupulous ways to stay in power, but when I read the Prince over a decade and a half ago (and re-read it again a few years ago), it became very very very clear that Machiavelli actually proclaimed that he believed in liberty and a lot of renaissance ideals that were just being rediscovered.

He was, however, an avid student of history who had gone through countless historical documents to study different historical figures to compare successful leaders versus unsuccessful ones. So he essentially did some "data mining" in order to uncover BEST PRACTICES.

In so doing, he realized that the most successful leaders employed certain techniques which helped them to avoid assassination/sabotage, which helped them to prevent chaos and establish order, and allowed them to do the good things that they needed to do in order to create societies that worked.

He didn't necessarily like what he discovered, but he had to admit that these were unfortunately what he found out from his analysis of the different historical records. He learned that while it is great for a leader to be both loved and feared by the people, he found that in case you couldn't have both and you could have only one of the two, his finding was that it was better to be feared than to be loved.

I know that many Prissy Pinoys and Ivory Tower Idealists will scoff at what I just said, but I'm not the one saying it and Machiavelli was just a data-miner who gathered this from his "data-mining" exercise. His work "The Prince" was just him telling his audience what he found out based on his analysis of many historical figures. He said that leaders who were loved but not feared often got betrayed, backstabbed, and sabotaged, while those leaders who were feared but not loved tended to be effective and did not get sabotaged or betrayed.

Now, IT IS POSSIBLE to be both loved and feared at the same time...

And as it turns out, from my interactions with my close Davaoeño friends (I spent a semester at a boarding house full of Davaoeños and I got introduced to their expanded barkada from outside the boarding house) and so many other Davaoeños, it is obvious that THEY LOVE Digong Duterte and at the same time "fear" the fact that if they do bad things, they will get punished. (Of course, those who came from rival families in politics didn't like Duterte anyway, but that was like a small handful of people out of almost a hundred in that whole group)

To be honest, I hear only good things about the guy, and it's only from the Imperial Manila Media and from the rivals in politics that I hear complaints. I've met people who hail from Davao City EVERYWHERE and it's always the same: they love their Mayor and they know that the bad guys fear him.

Yes, he talks tough and talks like a thug and even publicly exaggerates a lot about beating the crap out of badly-behaved people or exterminating murderers, rapists, kidnappers, and other bad guys, but that's precisely why he's effective: Criminals see someone who has absolutely no qualms about giving them a dose of their own medicine. Fear of the consequences prevents bad people from doing bad or causes them to leave his city.

Prissy elites don't like it, but the overwhelming majority who reap the benefits of safety and peace and order brought about by his style of leadership love him for it. And they really really love him.

For them it's like this: "We love our mayor and we know that if we do bad things, we'll get punished, but since we have no intention of doing bad things, then there's NOTHING TO FEAR."

So to be honest, I just really really do not understand what this over-exaggerated brouhaha is about so-called "cracking on dissent" (Duterte makes friends with COMMUNISTS and OTHER IDEOLOGICAL DEVIANTS, for crying out loud!!!!) or getting jailed for speaking up, blah blah blah, when that kind of thing didn't even happen in Davao, and the only ones who got jailed are criminals.

Then again, maybe it's something expected when some people belong to a particular "industry." (The fiction-writing literary sector, in particular) As if there's some kind of "bloc thinking, perhaps?" That they have to emphasize being a rebel or something? (Which is funny because Duterte has shown that he actually makes friends with Rebels --- like the Commies/MNLF/MILF - some of whom have totally weird ideologies.)

Luckily, some leading and award-winning members of that same industry are actually practical-minded enough to understand what society needs at a particular point in its development.

Kudos to 3-time Palanca-award winner Lourd de Veyra for being spot on vis-a-vis a lot of things and telling it like it is in many different topics. Realism RULES.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg0SvXS3VTk

I have no intention of ruffling any feathers, but I am just telling it as it is. :)
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 29, 2016, 09:59 AM
Just heard Trillanes on DZMM radio..

HE IS NOT WILLING TO FILE AN AFFIDAVIT. NO NEED DAW.

Lol.... He is a show.  He just kept daring, and promise to  resign. His words dont hold ground legally. Checkmate nga....

Indeed a tiny pawn trying too look big.

Will this verbal mudslinging informal corruption allegation affect Dutertes rating? We shall see.....Lets see if weak or soft votes are swayed...

In the meantime, daming anomalous complains from ofw voting.... not just from Duterte supporters, but also Poe...
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Prospera on Apr 29, 2016, 11:15 AM
Apologies if this is off-topic ( I don't know where else to post this and don't want to create a new thread):

Rest in peace, former Chief Justice Renato Corona, who died of cardiac arrest early today. May history be kinder to him and remember that his impeachment was the result of a political sham participated in by much bigger crooks led by Juan Ponce Enrile.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on Apr 29, 2016, 11:42 AM
That Corona impeachment case is just a way for PNoy to set up a yellow ribbon inside SC. Sinu sino ba ang bumoto laban kay Corona? Hindi naman ganon kabigat ang mga rason nila. Naalala ko nanaman tuloy si Joker..... nakiki OT lang ako Prospera  :hihi:

And for Trillanes, ..... Mataas ang rating ni Binay, naglabas sya ng corruption case. Mataas pa rin ang rating, labas pa rin ng mga ebidensya. Ngayon mataas sa rating si Duterte, labas nanaman sya ng issue. Alam nyang matatalo sya ni Gloria, labas sya ng Manila Pen. Kung si Mar mataas sa rating yan ang pagiinitan nya.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 29, 2016, 01:10 PM
Maki OT din... Impeachment is a political trial, not a judicial trial. Numbers game.

Kaya bukang bibig ni Trillianes papaimpeach niya si Duterte pag nanalo siya kasi lamang LP ang mga dilaw na congressman.

Yun palang, obvious na di niya gagalawin si Mar Roxas kung mataas ang rating niya.

With that said, pangawalang alas ni noynoy si Poe. Akin lang naman yan.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 29, 2016, 01:13 PM
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Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 29, 2016, 02:18 PM
Credit to the artist
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Pag ako yun artist, idadag ko sa drawing yun dyaryo na may paa at kamay na nakikihatak kay duterte pababa. Dodrawing din ako ng antenna na may tatlong bilog na kinukuryente si duterte...hahaha
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on Apr 29, 2016, 02:38 PM
Thinking out loud...
Death of ninoy (spouse connection)- cory.
Death of cory (daughter son connection) - ->Noynoy
Death of jesse robredo (spouse connection)  ---> leni robredo?
Death of corona (saln issue connection) -----> Duterte?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 29, 2016, 09:58 PM
Bakit dumadami votes ni Duterte dito sa thread?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 29, 2016, 10:08 PM
Anyway, I have no time to monitor this thread regularly.. so I’ll just leave this here, just a curious question…

if I may just ask… those voting for D… is it safe to assume that at this point in our life, IT’S NOT ABOUT THE ECONOMY, anymore for you? Coz correct me if I’m wrong, but never did the economy ever figured into his speeches/interviews, and only tangentially during debates. I mean, its not something he is interested in enough to discuss substantially.

So his followers must agree that

DRUGS & CRIMES > ECONOMY

Sorry yan lang nakayanan kong econometric formula, :rofl:

Like, that above is what D presidency would look like, in a nutshell. Because drugs/crimes should be the priority of this country, and for now let’s put aside the economy.

do you mean Duterte is anti-economy?
that if he wins, he will solve only crime-drugs and will neglect economy?

OR to see is to believe..
by solving crime and corruption, he also improved economy - as seen in Davao.

Mar Roxas has all the resources and power as cabinet - but did he solved the problems of traffic, MRT, graft, corruption, and economy (in the poor people's perspective)? He could have done better, to prove himself to be a good president.

Or can Binay do it in Makati, without the Ayala's, etc., not to mention na may alam sya pero, but may extra charge yung serbisyo nya (kupit)

For Miriam, she should have been the president long time ago, pero lumipas na ang opportunity nya (thanks to FVR)

For Poe, I think she could be a good president, mukha namang sincere sya at hindi corrupt, I don't mind that citizenship issue...

I think you guys are missing something here.
People most care about the most basic needs - food, shelter, clothes
When they have those, the next would be - education for the kids, owning property
After that will be Law and Order - To Protect What They Worked Hard For.

So where are we as a nation?
Are most voters under step 1, 2 or 3?

The answer might also solved the question why DU30 is attracting a lot of voters.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 29, 2016, 10:15 PM
Yes, I am living here. Why'd you ask?

You seem to be out of touch with reality, that's all
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 29, 2016, 10:19 PM
nganga. as expected. but his fanbase is still strong. which is sad. now this issue of waiver. binawi. anu ba tlaga.

Binawi ba?

Ang latest is his lawyer will meet Trilla in J Vargas BPI to settle this.
Busy kasi sya sa campaign.

Let's see kung pupunta si Trilla and what will happen next.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 29, 2016, 10:21 PM
Ahh ha ha nagpakilala ang isa.

Maliwanag naman at nakikita kung ano pinag gagawa nang tao di ba. Ang sinungaling ay kapatid ng magnanakaw. Hindi pa rin nadadala.ang mga tao madali pa rin mauto.

Dahan dahan lang pre.

Ilang beses na nahuling sinungaling sila Noy at Mar.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 29, 2016, 10:24 PM
Whoever wins, can people please start managing their expectations. If Duterte becomes president, he is going to be a desk jockey. A jobnik. He is a franchise that will be managed by a cordon sanitaire. Him bucking the systems in place will sow civil unrest and destroy that franchise. The PSG will have a very trying and interesting few months, to start with.

He said he will be traveling by plane to Davao for the weekends. A security and economic nightmare.  Either that or he makes his common-law-wife legal and bring his young family to the palace( Did he marry #2? He had his annulment in the late 80's di ba). I think it is cruel to make his woman a target for cruel tongues, nor would Duterte be that callous. There is a young daughter to consider. Maski sabihin pa ng tao na babantayan ang pamilya nya, kasama pa rin sa trabaho ng PSG na bantayan sila. He will feel the full weight of his office and will be cloaked with the  gravitas that he can't get away from. The pageantry of his position---all that pomp and ceremony, he won't be driving a taxi incognito for sure. .

Whatelse? He will start filling up positions, giving back favors, receiving courtesy calls from a LOT of people, posing for photos, etc.

In the meantime, there's an election to be won. You can unfollow your friends and relatives from facebook if they litter your space with garbage.  You certainly shouldn't disown your mother lol

His daughter has a right to be with him in Malacanang.
His common-law wife being the natural guardian of his child will also get a pass.
Dba his marriage was annulled ... so no problem?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 29, 2016, 10:27 PM
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We shall see, apparently pag may affidavit na can file counter charges against trillanes if hindi totoo....

Abang abang nalang m̶g̶a̶  ang d̶a̶g̶a̶  matabang bubwit sa lungga....

Smart move eto ng legal counsel ni DU30.
It is very possible naman na garbage lang ang accusation ni Trilla.

If Trilla is serious about resigning from the Senate, ano ba naman etong affidavit laang?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 29, 2016, 10:29 PM
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Hakot Queen Strikes Again.

May attendance sheet? lol

Sapul. Grace naman ...

Baka sanay lang sa showbiz, need ng maraming extra, hehe
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 29, 2016, 10:42 PM
Malabo ba ito o gusto lang ng tao dahil fanatico.

Some points are worth pondering on.

1. No I wiil not run for president I am not qualified stop it!. Then after a year aguinaldo came and he runs. This is absolutely lying. Not a very good sign.

Not this one. He changed his mind. He is entitled to that, just like everyone else.

2. In my presidency I will remove algebra and trigo in the school curriculum for me it's very hard, I also failed in my economy subject. And everybody love this changes. Nice.

Bad bad statement eto, no excuse.

3. I will make the Philippines like Davao there is no crime there and everybody afraid of me. People see Davao as a good example. Yes of course because it is 20 years in the making not 3 or 6 months. But mind you it is still 4th in the list of most crime committed. Drugs, smuggling, murder. It would be better if it is at least in the 9th place. And so, still nobody afraid of him. He is effective? pssstttt...

Decent people who live attested to this. How can we, Metro Manilans, argue with them? Crime stats in RP can't be trusted, remember? It may also be due to unsolved murders of criminals/suspects. Whatever it is, it is a VERY successful selling point NOW.

4. I will resolve crime and corruption in 3 to 6 months. They say the other candidates are all false promises but what they don't realize, when you give time frame to your promises it is fooling the people.

Same as the other candidates promising the moon and the stars.

5. He is a friend of NPA and rebels. In communist country there is no Democratic rebels only in the Philippines.

IMO this is worrisome. So choose your poison, chummy with NPAs or lapdog of USA.

6. So what is Federalism? It is for his rebel friends.

I don't agree with going FED. For his rebel friends? how?

7. The other day there is a dramatic release of captured policemen by his NPA friend making him hero again.

Pogi points nya yan.

8. I will ride a jet ski and plant our Philippine Flag in Spratly, A sane comment in a very important serious debate.

Sane or Insane?

9. I will burn those cars to resolve traffic. A mild manner decision of would be president.

Hhaha, definitely hyperbole!

10. Pope #$@* go home. He will lead the country spiritually. Not arrogant? He is a saint.

His uncouth manner shown, had since apologized. Good enough for most Filipinos.

11. During rally he loves bragging about his escapades, womanizing, killing spree. And the people loves him more.

Can't blame him there, whatever sells.

12. $^&* and *&^%$ is his common expression.

Pangit nga naman.

13. He is not arrogant dealing with foreign envoy.

Do you mean the opposite?

14. I have no account in BPI. The next day, i have an account there too. Not a liar.

Did he said that?!?

15. He has a death squad that already killed thousands by summary execution and they will come to Manila soon.

I don't believe so. More likely, he will recruit more people to form new squads.

16. I endorses Pinoy and Mar not my friend Erap because they are a winning candidates. TRAPO.

Where did you get this?

17. I warned you it would be bloody during my term. Kuratong baleleng, whitewash, summary execution, salvage. Wow the country is now a nation of crime and terror.

Bakit nasama si Lacson dito?

18. I am against corruption. Really?
19.
20.
To be continued.
18.

Typo? 18?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 29, 2016, 10:47 PM
Apologies if this is off-topic ( I don't know where else to post this and don't want to create a new thread):

Rest in peace, former Chief Justice Renato Corona, who died of cardiac arrest early today. May history be kinder to him and remember that his impeachment was the result of a political sham participated in by much bigger crooks led by Juan Ponce Enrile.

You may even say led by JPE since he was the Senate President at the time.
All paid for by Noynoy and LP, if I may add.

So who got the credit for the suicide of Angelo Reyes? Was it Trilla?
We may now credit Noynoy with the death of ex CJ Corona.

End of OT Thanks for understanding
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 29, 2016, 10:49 PM
That Corona impeachment case is just a way for PNoy to set up a yellow ribbon inside SC. Sinu sino ba ang bumoto laban kay Corona? Hindi naman ganon kabigat ang mga rason nila. Naalala ko nanaman tuloy si Joker..... nakiki OT lang ako Prospera  :hihi:

And for Trillanes, ..... Mataas ang rating ni Binay, naglabas sya ng corruption case. Mataas pa rin ang rating, labas pa rin ng mga ebidensya. Ngayon mataas sa rating si Duterte, labas nanaman sya ng issue. Alam nyang matatalo sya ni Gloria, labas sya ng Manila Pen. Kung si Mar mataas sa rating yan ang pagiinitan nya.

So kanino ba si Trillador?
Kay Roxas poe ba?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 29, 2016, 10:52 PM
Thinking out loud...
Death of ninoy (spouse connection)- cory.
Death of cory (daughter son connection) - ->Noynoy
Death of jesse robredo (spouse connection)  ---> leni robredo?
Death of corona (saln issue connection) -----> Duterte?

Akala ko ba papa-assassinate ni Mar si Koring para manalo sya?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: freefront on Apr 30, 2016, 02:02 AM
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We shall see, apparently pag may affidavit na can file counter charges against trillanes if hindi totoo....

Abang abang nalang m̶g̶a̶  ang d̶a̶g̶a̶  matabang bubwit sa lungga....

You know what? Duterte going on and on about those BPI accounts is cheapening the experience called DU30.  My imp imagined a long time ago that for a finale, he will totally trash The Supreme Court. Call those people lazy, biased, ignorant of the law, corrupt, and throw in a few f-bombs for more color. Because that was where he came in with blazing guns. He didn't want an American to be the president of the Phillippines.

Right now, he is being such a lawyer.

Personally, I'm done with impeachments. And he will be impeached for those accounts. SALN be the thing that would do it. Right?

Will Duterte rally his supporters to cause trouble that can drive our economy right into the toilet? Most probably. He has been said to be that kind in character. It's the "it's all about me, nothing is ever my fault" kind of personality. He's not the only one, mind :). Not to mention the internet connection and rabid idolatry.

Grace Poe will be impeached for being Filipino sa puso. Binay for his arrogance that he won't be caught. And we are left with what?

Yep. Impeachment. We do have VP candidates who will be thrilled to step in.

f*ck f*ck f*ck and I use that word as an adjective in succession of threes to convey the depth of feeling  :hihi:  Same way I did when the SC waffled and faffled over the Grace Poe issue. *** what happened to the DMCI case, btw? Atty. Duterte, pls. add sssslllllooooowwww to the abuse, please--- In case your hairy balls are still hanging in the right place and still getting properly oxygenated  :hihi: ***so sorry not sorry- he inspires me to be foulmouthed far more than my usual  :D

In the meantime, I'll get on my business called my life. When a new president sits in power and you all decide to channel your misguided energies for a common good, I'll be kaladkarin that way  :D Just point me in the proper direction. I'm not gonna say no to ACTIVE PARTICIPATION.

LENI! LENI! LENI!  :winner:

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on Apr 30, 2016, 02:51 AM
http://davaotoday.com/main/davao-city/why-duterte-endorses-aquino/
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 30, 2016, 01:18 PM
Ayaw pala ni DU30 mag resign si Trilla.
Affidavit lang para makulong uli
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 30, 2016, 01:24 PM
Notice how the two Dailies, "I" and "S" like to headline whoever is the leader in the Presidential Contest in a NEGATIVE way?

They did that with Binay, then Grace and now DU30, with "I' being the worse of the two.
Is it because their "sisiw" is not among those three? - The Slanted Angle
Or is it they just like negative news more, as in bad news sell? - The Money Angle
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 30, 2016, 01:25 PM
Pwede rin they have adopted the LP style of campaigning as their NEGATIVE "news" reporting?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 30, 2016, 01:40 PM
Who should be watching out for the crime of violation of the bank secrecy law?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on Apr 30, 2016, 01:43 PM
BTW mas pikon ang "S".
Hindi na ako maka post duon, hahhaha
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Prospera on May 01, 2016, 09:38 AM
This reminds me, at first glance, of Alanis Morissette's song "Isn't it Ironic?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJa2kIM245Q
 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJa2kIM245Q)
Still, there are golden nuggets here if we can sensibly filter out the dross.

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on May 01, 2016, 09:44 AM
This reminds me, at first glance, of Alanis Morissette's song "Isn't it Ironic?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJa2kIM245Q
 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJa2kIM245Q)
Still, there are golden nuggets here if we can sensibly filter out the dross.



Another self righteous comment, subtle implication.

Ill try for once, like a dose of your own medicine... People like you, taking swipes on the supporters of who you are against, are may muta sa mata, blinded and blurred, more of a rotten nugget.  How does it sound.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on May 01, 2016, 09:57 AM
Who should be watching out for the crime of violation of the bank secrecy law?


Duterte camp said this coming monday, when Trillanes arrives, no affidavit no opening of account. Super checkmate.

Press will be waiting. Dutertes camp will be waiting.

Trillanes with affidavit. See  you in jail.
Trillanes without affidavit. Press coverage, instant free exposure, barado Trillanes for sure.
Trillanes not showing up, GG as well...

Abangan bukas....seems the plan will backfire....
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on May 01, 2016, 10:53 AM
Backfire?

Oh you mean for Trilla...
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on May 01, 2016, 10:54 AM
Maybe not yet, magaling din script writer ni Trilla ...

And he does have a glib tongue, let's give him that.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on May 01, 2016, 11:02 AM
Backfire?

Oh you mean for Trilla...
Maybe not yet, magaling din script writer ni Trilla ...

And he does have a glib tongue, let's give him that.
Yep, mukang next move nila properties naman, walang secrecy law na yun... hehehe....

Lets see... stretch hanggang may 9 na to....

Btw, regarding the survey, lumalabas na yun prediction mo. Statistically tied na roxas and Poe.
One more survey,either tie na sila Roxas n Duterte or solo lead na Roxas. And then, alam na...Congrats Yellow ribbon...lol... (kahit for some reason i still see Poe become prez). Hope Im wrong in both....haha
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Prospera on May 01, 2016, 12:26 PM
Today's column by Philstar's Federico Pascual is posted for the consideration of the ~30% undecided electorate (not the hypnotized, misled  Du30 hardcores exemplified by the otherwise sensible Good Steward).

My hope is that reason and good judgment will prevail when we all troop to the polls on May 9.

It all boils down to one’s character

I STILL do not have a choice for president, so one week before Election Day this voter can be counted with the NOTA (none of the above) crowd.

Come May 9, my choice will be based on the candidates’ Platform and Person.

But since the platforms of the candidates are mere collection of motherhood statements put together based on what they think people want to hear, I am putting more weight on the candidates’ Person – mainly his character and competence.

A hint of the candidate’s competence is his/her track record. Even for Sen. Grace Poe, whose executive experience is scanty, the candidates have creditable track record. In my opinion.

The candidates’ statements, TV blurbs and stand on issues often change with the shifting tide of the campaign. They are wont to say mostly what clicks at the moment with the particular audience.

If the promises of all the presidential candidates could be distilled into one covenant and delivered as pledged, Filipinos would have a near-paradise on earth in the next six years – ample food on the family table; subsidized hospitalization and medicine, free education, jobs galore, freedom from crime and corruption, livable dwellings for the poor, efficient mass transport, higher wages, lower taxes, et cetera.

To me, character is the differentiating element among the candidates. It is said that character is “the stable and distinctive qualities built into an individual’s life that determine his or her response regardless of circumstances.”

Jojo Binay is 73 years old; Rody Duterte, 71; Grace Poe, 47; Mar Roxas, 59; and Miriam Santiago, 70. With the candidates’ personality having been more or less molded and ingrained with time, “what you see is what you get.”

Character is who we are even when no one is watching. It even spills out of one’s mouth in unguarded moments. Chronic cursing and one’s talking lightly of serious and sensitive situations, as in the case of Duterte, give an insight into the moral core of the person.

All other qualities presumed to be the same, character will determine my choice of who should stand before the world to represent us, and among his people as our President for the next six years and cast his shadow on the decade beyond.

As a voter, it is important to me – and, I think, to the nation – if a candidate offering himself to be our President is not magnanakaw, kurakot, sinungaling, bastos, o mamamatay tao.

Such problems that could arise from the antics of a president elected to office by mistake can be traced to a flaw in the candidate’s character.

• Trillanes-Duterte showdown tomorrow

IF THE POLITICAL shadow boxing becomes real as threatened, we might see tomorrow what kind of person Duterte – who has captured the imagination of the nation’s generally discontented majority – is.

The Davao mayor has been accused by Sen. Antonio Trillanes of having hidden from his 2014 Statement of Assets, Liabilities and Networth a P211-million account with the Bank of the Philippine Islands.

Such non-disclosure, if proved, is a violation of law that could mean dismissal from the government and disqualification from ever holding public office. It would also explode the myth of Duterte’s being a reformer.

It is interesting that Duterte first denied having such a BPI account, then when cornered admitted having one but that it was only in the thousands.

Duterte kept changing his story to sidestep the senator’s jabs. His accuser then piled up information that the supposed crimebuster from Mindanao has accounts in three banks with accumulated transactions amounting to P2.4 billion.

Trillanes later added in a TV interview that aside from bank accounts and transactions involving up to P2.4 billion, Duterte allegedly has 41 real property in his name. It could not be immediately ascertained if the title-owner is just his namesake.

A similar confusion happened during the impeachment trial of the late Chief Justice Renato Corona who was confronted with a list of property that turned out not to be his. The smear added to his torment as President Noynoy Aquino marshalled his allies in the Congress to oust Corona in disgrace.

It is anybody’s guess if Trillanes’ allegations against Duterte would erode his wide following.

• Looking for a President, not vigilante boss

THIS VOTER goes back his line that character is central to the qualifications of any Filipino aspiring to be president.

We cannot overemphasize the fact that we are looking for a president, not an ordinary functionary, or a vigilante boss. We are looking for somebody who will represent us, one whose good character qualifies him as a model Filipino.

A great number of citizens are not happy with the state of affairs brought about by decades of maladministration and a failure to properly educate the Filipino. Now comes Duterte who shows that he has the b*lls to change the status quo.

He comes at the right time with the right pipe dream. Like the Pied Piper, he is leading hordes of his countrymen – to where we still do not know.

We do not know, because Duterte has not detailed a blueprint action plan. For instance, he promised to end the drugs problem, criminality and corruption in six months – a plan that raises question over due process as guaranteed by the Constitution.

A cleanup is desirable, especially to us who have suffered enough, but we should be at least told how Duterte intends to do it. There are hints that he would junk the Constitution if it gets in the way. Will he?

Then Duterte jumped into the maelstrom of the maritime dispute with China with several other nations possibly being drawn into the crisis that could become a flashpoint for a larger armed conflict.

This and his braggadocio of jet skiing to a contested isle to plant the Philippine flag with a dare to China to try and stop him is dramatic, but is this sane? Is this a foreboding of Duterte’s approach to international conflicts?

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Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on May 01, 2016, 04:00 PM
Saan naman napulot yang 30% undecided?!??!

Mukhang LP psych war to massage public opinion into believing Mar can still win!
And then activating sMARmatic on us poor countrymen!
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on May 01, 2016, 04:02 PM
By the way does DU 30 really own 41 properties?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on May 01, 2016, 04:08 PM
Don't underestimate the Machiavellian nature of MarNoy
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on May 01, 2016, 04:09 PM
They will not hesitate to spend govt money to set their stage
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on May 01, 2016, 04:12 PM
Money for -

Journalists to write their praises, and put out their bogus data
"Surveys" to show their improving trend
Media to do more of the same
Pols to turn a blind eye to sMARtmatic
COMELEC to do the "counting"
Big Business to shut up
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on May 01, 2016, 04:14 PM
REALITY: Grace still has a chance to catch up but it's looking like a long shot.

NEWS: Presidential Race still wide open.

UNPRINTED portion: Presidential Race still wide open to cheating.
(Who the Fu xxk wrote this??!! Ayusin nyo before publishing! Bayad na yan! P__xx! - Ed.)
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on May 01, 2016, 07:16 PM
Wow, All Out Attack na LP MarNoy Yellow Army kay DU30.
Ano kaya bumaba si DU30 but si Grace ang manalo?

Ok yan kay Nonoy pero kay Maryo kaya?
And paano na nag LP?
Are the rats jumping off the sinking ship na talaga?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on May 01, 2016, 07:17 PM
Uy, may smart response na si DU30 vs Trillador.

Open daw up to previous 20 years mga bank accounts.
FOR ALL PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES.

Any takers?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on May 01, 2016, 07:19 PM
Sana sinama si Trilla kahit hindi sya real candidate.

OR better yet, Contract sila na Open First si DU30 then the others.
Then kung ayaw ng Others, they shall be deemed losers and withdrawn form the race.
Hahhaha

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: wilch23 on May 01, 2016, 07:20 PM
I guess A STUPID DARE is now rightfully answered with ANOTHER STUPID DARE.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on May 02, 2016, 12:00 AM
Lotsa happening kahit sunday hehe...

Poe- call it conspiracy theory call it not... for me, CIA funded yan. Pivot to Asia. Remember that.

If she wins, Philippines will be the Trillanes of USA against China and USA will maximize any gains. ok  lang against china, but after other self gains by the us, philippines will still be the licking n barking dog of USA.

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: TulogSaPancitan on May 02, 2016, 12:18 AM
f*ck f*ck f*ck and I use that word as an adjective in succession of threes to convey the depth of feeling  :hihi:  Same way I did when the SC waffled and faffled over the Grace Poe issue. *** what happened to the DMCI case, btw? Atty. Duterte, pls. add sssslllllooooowwww to the abuse, please--- In case your hairy balls are still hanging in the right place and still getting properly oxygenated  :hihi: ***so sorry not sorry- he inspires me to be foulmouthed far more than my usual  :D

In the meantime, I'll get on my business called my life. When a new president sits in power and you all decide to channel your misguided energies for a common good, I'll be kaladkarin that way  :D Just point me in the proper direction. I'm not gonna say no to ACTIVE PARTICIPATION.

LENI! LENI! LENI!  :winner:

so far it is getting enuf oxygen. there are tons of lickers.  :D

i did a reality check. not in my imagination that i will give so much devotion to deity. even before i was religious i didnt reached that level of rabid(ity).  i'm actually scared for those who are bullied by his holiness fans in social media. there was even a rape wish. worse a murder threat.

good going ph. :D
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on May 02, 2016, 12:38 AM
so far it is getting enuf oxygen. there are tons of lickers.  :D

i did a reality check. not in my imagination that i will give so much devotion to deity. even before i was religious i didnt reached that level of rabid(ity).  i'm actually scared for those who are bullied by his holiness fans in social media. there was even a rape wish. worse a murder threat.

good going ph. :D

Lol, while i call those  licker callers gay, because they try to blow so hard. LOL
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on May 02, 2016, 12:53 AM
From an fb post, nice one:

My thoughts on the Duterte-Trillanes expose:
1. Just like anyone here, I'd like Duterte to open his accounts and prove that he is clean, BUT
2. Opening Duterte's account, clean or not, would be strategically wrong because Duterte will be subjecting himself to unnecessary risk considering that it is just a few days before the election.
3. Trillanes is a PAWN(barking pawn), trying to attack a KING(presidentiable). That is an unfair trade.
4. The KING should only fight with another KING for the battle to be worthwhile.
5. Duterte's account will not be opened tomorrow because Trillanes won't sign the waiver stating where he got his info.
6. It is possible that the reason why Trillanes can't divulge his info is because the info is from another PRESIDENTIABLE.
7. If Trillanes's info indeed came from another presidentiable then the goal of this expose/propaganda to pull Duterte's votes would not make sense because that presidentiable's reputation would also be damaged.
8. Trillanes claims that he is putting his reputation, position, and life on the line for this expose. Actually he is not. Because he doesn't want to sign the waiver stating how, when, why, and from whom he got the info. So he is practically just making accusations while playing safe
Just my thoughts. smile emoticon
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on May 02, 2016, 03:56 AM
If Duterte wanted to show the proof he is clean he can sue Trillanes right away, and sign a waiver (At ipakain niya yang waiver na yan na tulad ng ginagawa niyang madalas sa mga nagkakasala). Not filing an affidavit by Trillanes is already a proof he is bluffing and a strong ground for defamation case. But why Digong didn't do it.

Trillanes cannot file an affidavit because he has the right to protect his informant and nobody knows maybe he really do not have any informant and only fabricating and he only want to tarnish Digong's reputation. So the ball is in Duterte's hand to sue and not Trillanes. Trillanes is the one throwing false accusation, defamation, and character assassination, and stealing bank documents. Why Digong why you hesitate to do it?

Because when Digong file the case that is the time Trillanes informer and witnesses will appear and all evidences will be presented. Lahat ng baho kailangan ilabas sa korte. He he he he.



Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on May 02, 2016, 08:18 AM
^Sue him right away? patawa ka ba, ilang araw nalang election na, one week you get a verdict, in your wildest dream.  Why not say open a snate hearing right away.  Isip isip uyyy

Sa bagay thats your opinion, maganda dito ipitan. his lifestyle says otherwise. the timing of the allegation is very obvious.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: myrmidon on May 02, 2016, 08:29 AM
Sir @GS nagsabi na ba si Gineto kung sino ang president nya?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on May 02, 2016, 08:35 AM
Sir @GS nagsabi na ba si Gineto kung sino ang president nya?

Sa pagka sunod ko sa thread, natanong ko e, kaso ayaw sabihin. Kaya mukhang black propagandist si iho.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: ghanie on May 02, 2016, 08:48 AM
ilang araw na lang eleksyon na, di pa ko pa rin alam sino iboboto.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: palailai on May 02, 2016, 08:49 AM
Duterte all the way!
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: sinagpower on May 02, 2016, 08:50 AM
Dutuerte or Poe, not sure yet :-/
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: sinagpower on May 02, 2016, 08:53 AM
Dutuerte can bring us to new heights but he can also ruin us
POE will be a safe bet but no significant change under her admin

who do we choose?
do we risk it with Dutuerte? or keep the status quo with Poe (more or less)?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: ghanie on May 02, 2016, 09:00 AM
^si MDS, ayaw nyo? Sila ni RD ang medyo bet ko. Pero di ko pa rin alam sino mas dapat. Ang gulo na kasi nila.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on May 02, 2016, 09:48 AM
Wala bang nababahala ditto sa pagkaka-alam ni Trillanes sa bank account ni Duterte?
Kung mga military men alam kaya palang I-access ang mga bank account ng kung sinu sino lang ibig sabihin expose din tayo for possible extortion
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bauer on May 02, 2016, 11:38 AM
(http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y376/bauer2015/digong%2096_zpsu4h1u2kn.jpg) (http://s1031.photobucket.com/user/bauer2015/media/digong%2096_zpsu4h1u2kn.jpg.html)

(http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y376/bauer2015/digong%2095_zpsjkya6lvx.jpg) (http://s1031.photobucket.com/user/bauer2015/media/digong%2095_zpsjkya6lvx.jpg.html)

SARAH WALANG GALANG SA KAPWA OPISYAL NG GOBYERNO.

YAN BA ANG "CHANGE"???
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on May 02, 2016, 12:20 PM
^^ Boss bauer, nagbibingi bingian ka satanong ko?

3rd call : " kung gaano mo kadislike si Duterte, bakit gustong kunin siya ng taya mo na si Poe bilang DILG SEC????? "

Di mo masagot kasi checkmate ka din... lahat ng nambabato ng allegation nachecheckmate... lol
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on May 02, 2016, 12:28 PM
Desperado mode si bauer. lol... halungkat pa more, post mo pati yun pinsan, pamagking o ninuno ni Duterte, why anak lang, at why 2011 lang, dig mo, baka umabot sa kapanganakan ng anak ni duterte, nanapak na siya... lol

Halatado na!

Iwas pusoy, ayaw sagutin tanong ko. Logic 6 feet under grpund  kasi...dedz

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: ghanie on May 02, 2016, 12:50 PM
(http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y376/bauer2015/digong%2096_zpsu4h1u2kn.jpg) (http://s1031.photobucket.com/user/bauer2015/media/digong%2096_zpsu4h1u2kn.jpg.html)

(http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y376/bauer2015/digong%2095_zpsjkya6lvx.jpg) (http://s1031.photobucket.com/user/bauer2015/media/digong%2095_zpsjkya6lvx.jpg.html)

SARAH WALANG GALANG SA KAPWA OPISYAL NG GOBYERNO.

YAN BA ANG "CHANGE"???

Sir, nabasa nyo po ang kwento tungkol sa pics na yan?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: ghanie on May 02, 2016, 12:55 PM
Wala bang nababahala ditto sa pagkaka-alam ni Trillanes sa bank account ni Duterte?
Kung mga military men alam kaya palang I-access ang mga bank account ng kung sinu sino lang ibig sabihin expose din tayo for possible extortion

Ang totoo, sobrang nababahala ako lalo pa at pinakamalaling porsyento ng imbak ko ay nasa bankong sangkot dyan. Pero doble ingat na lang siguro. Tiwala pa rin ako na maayos naman ang cyber security nila. Dalawa lang yan, either nasa loob ang gumawa or may magaling sa teknolohiya na di ginamit ng wasto ang kaalaman nya.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on May 02, 2016, 01:15 PM
Boss ghanie, wag niyo na patulan. Yan si bauer nirerespeto ko yan dati dito sa pmt. ngayon, he showed his true colors.
Ni simpleng tanong di niya masagot. Galit siya kay duterte, pero dilg sec si duterte kay poe. So dapat galit din siya kay poe. Pero sinusuporta niya si poe. Ang labo di ba... Buti kung may explanation. Eh tameme..
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: rds on May 02, 2016, 01:20 PM
Dutuerte or Poe, not sure yet :-/

Duterte - make or brake
Poe - play safe
Binay - play with the devil
Mar - ewan
MDS - kung sa stocks, malakas sana ang fundamentals pero nawala na ang X-factor s madlang people.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: rds on May 02, 2016, 01:24 PM
Boss ghanie, wag niyo na patulan. Yan si bauer nirerespeto ko yan dati dito sa pmt. ngayon, he showed his true colors.
Ni simpleng tanong di niya masagot. Galit siya kay duterte, pero dilg sec si duterte kay poe. So dapat galit din siya kay poe. Pero sinusuporta niya si poe. Ang labo di ba... Buti kung may explanation. Eh tameme..

GS, respeto pa rin kay bauer, magkaiba lang talaga tayo ng pananaw.

lahat ng kandidato may dark at bright side. nagkataon lang na mas nakita ni bauer yung dark side ni Duterte kaysa yung bright side.

si binay lang yata ang walang bright side...puro na lang dark.

sinayang nya yung tiwala ng taong bayan, akala ko rin dati sya na ang sagot sa problema at korapsyon sa pinas.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on May 02, 2016, 01:28 PM
GS, respeto pa rin kay bauer, magkaiba lang talaga tayo ng pananaw.

lahat ng kandidato may dark at bright side. nagkataon lang na mas nakita ni bauer yung dark side ni Duterte kaysa yung bright side.

si binay lang yata ang walang bright side...puro na lang dark.

sinayang nya yung tiwala ng taong bayan, akala ko rin dati sya na ang sagot sa problema at korapsyon sa pinas.

hinde, sinabi niya sasagutin niya yun tanong ko.im waiting for an answer... puros nga dark side ang nakikita niya, eh kukunin nga ng kandidato niya na si Poe para maging DILG sec, how do you blend that?  Nasaan ang prinsipiyo?

Dami na nga respeto e, naghihintay pa din ako ng sagot..
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on May 02, 2016, 01:31 PM
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Isip isip nalng... baka nabenta na tayo di pa natin alam.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: ghanie on May 02, 2016, 01:42 PM
Sobrang cray ng naisip ko na kung si Poe kaya ang manalo, at ibenta tayo sa US, magiging asul na ba passport natin? :D
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on May 02, 2016, 02:32 PM
^^^ malamang hinde. Kasi yun pagbenta, walang resibo yan
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on May 02, 2016, 02:34 PM
Dahil sa sinabi ni Trillanes na iimpeach si Duterte, mas tumataas ang posibilad nang magulong eleksyon at magulong gobyerno na papasok. Ayan namumula na ang stocks portfolio ko

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: CodyDeegan on May 02, 2016, 04:43 PM
I'm not a registered voter so who ever wins, I can't complain. But if I were, I would vote for MDS. Because among the candidates, she is the most deserving. They can't attack her unless it is about her health issue.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on May 02, 2016, 05:15 PM
They are not attacking her because she is not leading the survey.

Complacent e. If she is MDS 5years ago, things will be different.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on May 02, 2016, 07:10 PM
Walang nangyari killala ko yang si Digong AROGANTE yan. Madali lang naman yan kay Digong kung talagang hindi tutoo alegasyon ni Trillanes ganito lang naman sasabihin niyan "Idiot ka talaga Trilla mag sign ako ng waiver tapos ipakain ko sa iyo bukas na bukas din". Maski na yang anak niyang babae abusado rin yan pag alam nilang nasa tama sila.

Ang kaso lagpas isang linggo na tapos pag nainterview parang umamong p*ta ay tupa pala.. Ngayon may bago na naman mga 41 properties niya.

Hindi na mahalaga ang laman ang masama yung hindi niya pag declare niya na may account siya sa BPI.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on May 02, 2016, 07:56 PM
Bpi po ang nagwithhold ng info. Pumayag na nga e, kahit na yun affidavit ni trillanes based on double hearsay. Ala boy abunda na siya, tsizmis kun baga...  Masmagaling ka pa sa bpi. Mag apply ka nalang bilang bpi head para masundan yun gusto mo.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on May 02, 2016, 09:06 PM
Ibig sabihin yung una niyang pinakita na statement PEKE.

Kilala ko talaga yang si Digong pag nasa tama yan pagagalitan pa niyan ang bank exec. mabibigat sasabihin niyan, out of this world.

Yang statement ng anak niya "So sue us". that kind of statement is a sign of resignation a sign of surrendering.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on May 02, 2016, 09:29 PM
^^^ bokya ka talaga.... Di ka kukuha ng impormasyon dito.... Di mo pala alam nangyayari satsat ka ng satsat...

Yun statement last week wast recent balance...Na pinakita ni duterte...

Yun papabukas pero wait muna sabi ni bpi...ay....Hanggang dito na lang muna, magbasa ka nalang, research  ka nalang...

Di mo pala alam kung ano ang punagpuputak mo e....

Halatado ka naman masyado...



Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on May 03, 2016, 02:47 AM
May bagong negosyo pag natupad na gusto ng tao. Bounty Hunter, yung smuggled stuff sa port i distribute muna then after sometime pag medyo napansin na huntingin na at yung makulimbat na pinagbentahan hati kayo ni supremo, diretso sa banko niya. Pero pag medyo maingay na kailangan dedoin. Ganun ganun lang takbo ng negosyo cycle lang hindi naman mahirap magbenta ng ganyang stuff.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: palailai on May 03, 2016, 07:22 AM
DU30 all the way pa rin........
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Prospera on May 03, 2016, 12:12 PM
At the rate Du30 has been ruffling feathers in diplomatic circles (the Vatican, Australia, the US, India, and most recently Singapore), we might have no allies left in the international community if he becomes the next president. Gusto ba nating matulad sa North Korea?

 
A news report that is no longer accessible on The Straits Times website claims that Rodrigo Duterte had said at a campaign sortie last week that "he will burn Singapore's flag after the island state's diplomatic mission in Manila said it will seek legal advice over a 'misleading' Facebook post." 

However, a GMA News report about the same event states that Duterte was referring to 1995 — when he did, in fact, burn the Singapore flag to protest against the country's impending execution of Filipino domestic helper Flor Contemplacion.The GMA News report did not say that Duterte threatened to do it again in 2016.

The topic is already trending on Hardware Zone, a popular forum site in Singapore and a sister company of Straits Times.

A sensationalized post entitled "Incoming Pinoy president wants to burn Singapore flag as soon as possible!" has garnered alarming comments from users, from slightly bemused to hate messages.

"Let him do if he dares," said user KenSF5. "It will literally means that the millions of Filipinos working in Singapore; their jobs/career will be hanging."

There are an estimated 167,000 Filipinos working in Singapore.

Source: Coconuts Media (Manila)
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on May 03, 2016, 12:22 PM
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Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on May 03, 2016, 02:43 PM
^^^ bokya ka talaga.... Di ka kukuha ng impormasyon dito.... Di mo pala alam nangyayari satsat ka ng satsat...

Yun statement last week wast recent balance...Na pinakita ni duterte...

Yun papabukas pero wait muna sabi ni bpi...ay....Hanggang dito na lang muna, magbasa ka nalang, research  ka nalang...

Di mo pala alam kung ano ang punagpuputak mo e....

Halatado ka naman masyado...

Wow. GS has deteriorated this quickly pordalab.

Carry on.

Anong latest na ba mga ateng...
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on May 03, 2016, 03:04 PM

A news report that is no longer accessible on The Straits Times website claims that Rodrigo Duterte had said at a campaign sortie last week that "he will burn Singapore's flag after the island state's diplomatic mission in Manila said it will seek legal advice over a 'misleading' Facebook post." 

However, a GMA News report about the same event states that Duterte was referring to 1995 — when he did, in fact, burn the Singapore flag to protest against the country's impending execution of Filipino domestic helper Flor Contemplacion.The GMA News report did not say that Duterte threatened to do it again in 2016.

I think your first paragraph is more correct. du30 made a new statement that he will burn the SG flag, after SG said that they are seeking legal advice re: the insistent false claim that SG PM was endorsing Du30.

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The topic is already trending on Hardware Zone, a popular forum site in Singapore and a sister company of Straits Times.

A sensationalized post entitled "Incoming Pinoy president wants to burn Singapore flag as soon as possible!" has garnered alarming comments from users, from slightly bemused to hate messages.

"Let him do if he dares," said user KenSF5. "It will literally means that the millions of Filipinos working in Singapore; their jobs/career will be hanging."

There are an estimated 167,000 Filipinos working in Singapore.

Source: Coconuts Media (Manila)[/b]

SG people demanding reprisal against filipinos, is a real possibility.

Remember what happened to that pinoy nurse who made nasty FB comments against Singaporeans. He got fired from his job and deported ba or jailed there?

But no worries @prospera, du30 has all sorts of tricks under his sleeves. Manalig ka lang.

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on May 03, 2016, 03:08 PM
^^^^ thanks, for nitpicking.
My comment is to highlight the fact that Gineto does not know what he is talking about on that instant. His jabs were baseless.
 
It was an issue based-comment.

While yours is a personality jab, and to think that you yourself proclaim to be someone who wants to discuss issues. You are a woman of contradiction.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on May 03, 2016, 03:20 PM
Desperation
posted May 03, 2016 at 12:01 am by Jojo Robles
The guy has guts, I’ll give him that. Or else, he’s really incurably dense and hopelessly forgetful—or just incredibly desperate.

It turns out that President Noynoy Aquino didn’t go to the Iglesia ni Cristo headquarters in Quezon City yesterday to ask the influential bloc-voting church to vote for administration presidential candidate Mar Roxas. According to my sources, Aquino swallowed his pride—more on this later—to ask the INC to endorse his vice presidential bet, Leni Robredo.

Aquino needn’t have bothered. As politely as possible, he was told by executive minister Eduardo Manalo and other elders of the church that his candidates are simply not on their list.

In the case of Robredo, in fact, the issue has already been settled, Aquino was reportedly told. All indications (confirmed by my own sources in the church) point to a firm decision by the Iglesia to vote for Senator Ferdinand “Bongbong” Marcos, even if it has not yet declared its choice for president as yet.

Besides, Aquino was already too late when he went to “Sentral,” as INC members call their church’s headquarters. One highly-placed source in the church told me that the sample ballots for INC members have already been prepared and printed and may be distributed to the faithful as early as today—even if no one except for Manalo and a few top-ranking advisers of his know its contents.

I cannot confirm if Aquino followed the usual protocol before visiting Sentral. A sitting president who goes to Sentral usually sends feelers first to designated INC liaison officers, through his own liaison people in Malacañang.

If Aquino did any kind of prior intelligence-gathering and liaising, he would have saved himself the embarrassment of personally hearing his request turned down (no matter how nicely) by the church’s leaders. And the INC, out of courtesy, would certainly not stop him from paying them a visit, even if they already knew that they were not supporting the president’s candidates.

But what Aquino seems to have gotten right is the futility of pushing for Roxas—before the INC or anywhere else. And the push for Robredo could be motivated purely by the supposed “winnability” of the congressman from Naga City or part of a more complicated plan to keep the Yellows in power through an alleged “Plan C” that involves ousting the winner in the presidential race, in order to install Leni as a Gloria-like president afterwards.

Whatever motivated Aquino to visit Manalo and the INC, it certainly wasn’t because he suddenly realized that he was a friend of the church. Because, if you know the back story, he most certainly is not.

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....

Desperation is a powerful motivation. And Aquino, for all his tough talk and empty claims of being the best president ever, is clearly one scared, soon-to-be-powerless ex-president.


http://thestandard.com.ph/opinion/columns/lowdown-by-jojo-robles/204782/desperation-20160503.html
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: freefront on May 03, 2016, 03:43 PM
Makikisingit nga GS. Bago ako mag-walk to stock up the pantry at wala ako balak lumabas pre and post election lol

May in-law ako na ang banat sa akin bigla is" Tita, bakit galit na galit ka kay Duterte?" ---> dahil yan sa article na nagdeny sya, tapos umamin tapos nagastos na daw nya sa happy-happy yung mga milyones na regalo nung bday nya. Meron nga bang mga bday cash gifts? Kasi sa akin, ang issue, may account ba sya dun sa bpi o wala? Yung in-law ko, biglang nag-bisaya na lang ang mga posts nung sinabi ko na hindi ako galit. Looking forward lang sa possible repurcussions ng mga salita nya. Ngayon, kung mananalo si Duterte, and he calls for change and he makes good on his words, eh di aktibista ulit ang lola mo lol. Sabi ko nga, sawa na ako sa street revolution, boycott at impeachment. Sawa na rin ako sa perjury, mga kabit, mga kaibigan nila, etc.

So, putting aside where that assh*le got his intel, meron ba syang accounts sa bpi at hundreds of milyons nga ba ang dumaan dun? DUMAAN. Hindi outstanding balance. Kasi naman, the other assh*le is pulling the " the burden of proof lies on the blah blah blah blah" which is just true and rightfully so, but Duterte is running on THE anti-corrruption campaign.

Mananalo si MAR just for the backlash on the negative campaign style ng mga Duterte fans. Kagagaling naman talaga mag-photoshop at gumamit ng "KILL" at "RAPE" in one sentence na mga rebuttals  :evil: :p
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on May 03, 2016, 04:14 PM
^^
Freefront, same here, life goes on, before and after election. Admittedly, this pre election has chewed up a lot of my time... Lol...

Well sa tingin mo kung manalo si Mar eh bec of negative campaigning, ako naman sMARtmatic vote counting machine. Ang dami na lumabas na reibo mar- leni pero iba binoto nila...

And the negative campaigning of Mar is miniscule compared to what the giant media has been doing... They even twist facts... Read whatever news feed that is coming out on your fb, anything about duterte, "may". Duterte presidency may blah blah blah according to blahblahblhah...

Despite our differences in prez candidate, talo tayo pareho.  I still see taya ni bauer coming out on top. Hope im wrong though.


Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on May 03, 2016, 04:35 PM
@GS

hidni ata dapat basta na lang maniwala sa mga news na lumalaganap. A ewan, parang this time lahat nagkakaroon ng deterioration. Pati mga news personnel.
Hindi mo na alam kung ano ba talaga ang totoo. Just look at the news of Duterte-Trillanes Trila in Julia. Iba iba ang news na naglilipana sa dos, syete at telephone-boxing nila Panelo at Trillanes sa singko

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
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Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on May 03, 2016, 04:52 PM
^ayan jeno, kakabanggit niyo lang, about di mo alam kung kanino ka maniniwala.

Seen those stuff as well. Di na bago yan. Wrecking job until election na yan..

Yan "mandarambong at mamamatay tao na yan" ang ihahire ni Poe bilang DILG Sec. Lol

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Futurama on May 03, 2016, 05:04 PM
Duterte all the way! just finish voting here in Dubai... #changeiscoming
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: TulogSaPancitan on May 03, 2016, 05:07 PM
So, putting aside where that assh*le got his intel, meron ba syang accounts sa bpi at hundreds of milyons nga ba ang dumaan dun? DUMAAN. Hindi outstanding balance. Kasi naman, the other assh*le is pulling the " the burden of proof lies on the blah blah blah blah" which is just true and rightfully so, but Duterte is running on THE anti-corrruption campaign.

Mananalo si MAR just for the backlash on the negative campaign style ng mga Duterte fans. Kagagaling naman talaga mag-photoshop at gumamit ng "KILL" at "RAPE" in one sentence na mga rebuttals  :evil: :p

madali lang kumuha ng intel. kung meron kang panyero sa loob mismo ng banko. or merong isang concerned na empleyado. questioning the source (bank, bsp or amlc) is somewhat a sign of guilt, coz if info is wrong, the same could be proven wrong in minutes and same time gain brownie points and finally demolishing trillanes. so far he doesnt attempt to. why not??? to a thinking person, most likely he is hiding something.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on May 03, 2016, 05:48 PM
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/782948/santiago-ph-not-ready-for-a-duterte-presidency
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: freefront on May 04, 2016, 11:33 AM
Duterte admits receiving gifts from Quiboloy


^^^impeachable ba yan?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: jenofstructures on May 04, 2016, 11:40 AM
Natatawa ako kay Bauer and GS..... Hindi kaya after election sabihin nyong dalawa na na hack lang ang account nyo?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on May 04, 2016, 12:11 PM
scoop/.... malaking tanongh : ptv government station pa ang nagrelease ng info hahahaha.....

does that mean may insider sa government na sukang suka na sa dilaw?

Anong scoop yun? in a few muinutes...

kakapagtaka wala pa sa news ng abscbn o gma ...lol

^^jeno , basta ako win or lose yun taya ko, i go on with my life... just doing my mini contribution as a supporter, di man gaano kalak ang audience ng pmt as compared to other forums and fb pages....

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on May 04, 2016, 12:12 PM
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lol... nagiisip pa yun ibang ntwork paano paikutin yan....
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on May 04, 2016, 02:48 PM
May in-law ako na ang banat sa akin bigla is" Tita, bakit galit na galit ka kay Duterte?" ---> dahil yan sa article na nagdeny sya, tapos umamin tapos nagastos na daw nya sa happy-happy yung mga milyones na regalo nung bday nya. Meron nga bang mga bday cash gifts? Kasi sa akin, ang issue, may account ba sya dun sa bpi o wala? Yung in-law ko, biglang nag-bisaya na lang ang mga posts nung sinabi ko na hindi ako galit. Looking forward lang sa possible repurcussions ng mga salita nya. Ngayon, kung mananalo si Duterte, and he calls for change and he makes good on his words, eh di aktibista ulit ang lola mo lol. Sabi ko nga, sawa na ako sa street revolution, boycott at impeachment. Sawa na rin ako sa perjury, mga kabit, mga kaibigan nila, etc.
So, putting aside where that assh*le got his intel, meron ba syang accounts sa bpi at hundreds of milyons nga ba ang dumaan dun? DUMAAN. Hindi outstanding balance. Kasi naman, the other assh*le is pulling the " the burden of proof lies on the blah blah blah blah" which is just true and rightfully so, but Duterte is running on THE anti-corrruption campaign.

meron siguro kasi kung walang hundreds of millions na pumasok at lumabas on a regular basis, hindi yan mag-aatubili to make sampal to trillanes’s face, just to prove his point/innocence. But it was very apparent how he suddenly backed down from the limelight and allowed his lawyers to suddenly face the media.alam naman natin si mayor kung anong nasa isip sinasabi na lang…

But how do you now reconcile yung “against elitism” stance which he allegedly represents, kung eto nga bilyon ang aggregate value of bank transactions na dumaan sa account nya. Doesn’t that make him an elite as well, one who has money and power and influence he can wield at will. You don’t have to live in Forbes to be elite. Anong pagbabago ang sinasabi, eh hindi ba yun mismong gustong buwagin na “kurap” e meron nang patunay na sya mismo pala ang gumagawa (receiving cash, gifts or rewards is ABSOLUTELY PROHIBITED under the Anti-Graft and Corrupt Practices Act)? Now his people are crying foul for invasion of privacy and bank secrecy violation… the tenor of their statements now is, daanin muna sa ebidensya at korte… e hindi ba gusto nya ay matapang at mabilis na aksyon, kung tinatawaga na criminal, patayin na agad. Now he gets a dose of his own medicine. Hindi sya kasama sa ganung patakaran? Sya pwedeng humingi ng due process at hindi dapat pasabugin ang ulo agad-agad?

What would be the implications of his declarations/admissions? For me it says a lot about his mental state. Lawyer ito who knows his way around the legal system, and it’s almost like he’s begging to be charged with all kinds of offenses. Inamin or pinagyabang na nyang marami na syang pinatay, he accepts millions of cash as “gifts from rich friends”, his bank accounts and properties that are undeclared in his SALNs. Now his fans idolize him more because he’s digging a hole for himself but which they think he craftily gets away from through his wit and humor. Ang funny lang din akala nila namilosopo sa TV, abswelto na? Hahaha. Outstanding balance na P17,000+ and P26k+ yata, ung classmate na lawyer (at ka-brod nya) pa ang nagpost sa fb. LOL. E kahit sino naman na may P200M na walang legit source of income na ganyan kalaki, pwedeng-pwedeng mag-wire transfer sa offshore account nya or sa ibang bangko, in 30 seconds maglalaho. Ang lalim din mag-isip eh. Hahaha.

But then again he’s old. 71 yrs old na so he’s not criminally liable anymore, baka yun ang pinanghahawakan. Though I think the reckoning point is the age at the time the offense/graft act was committed, pasok pa sya (the biggest deposits—in hundred millions- were done exactly on his 69th bday).

Just as in deciding what to do with your stock holdings… if the reason for you buying the stock no longer exists, then its time to sell. May change nga ba or the same snake just wearing a different skin? Itataboy nga ba ang elite kung ang totoo e kabaro naman pala nya.

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Mananalo si MAR just for the backlash on the negative campaign style ng mga Duterte fans. Kagagaling naman talaga mag-photoshop at gumamit ng "KILL" at "RAPE" in one sentence na mga rebuttals  :evil: :p


If the fans turn into defectors, I don’t think they will vote for Mar instead (unless they felt so betrayed with the accusations). Duterte fans are necessarily Mar haters. Im guessing Grace will catch the throw away votes. And lets remember the Pnoy-Grace secret alliance has not been completely shaken out. Daang Matuwid still wins. Hahaha. Belat sa mga sinusuka ang DM.

I am not expecting a Mar win and I’m ok with that becoz it means Korina wont be first lady. That’s the farthest my selfish motives could take me. <evil laugh>
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on May 04, 2016, 02:50 PM

Yan "mandarambong at mamamatay tao na yan" ang ihahire ni Poe bilang DILG Sec. Lol

Correct me if im wrong, pero matagal na yata itong binawi ni GP.  Touch move ba?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on May 04, 2016, 02:55 PM

Ramon del Rosario, chairman of Makati Business Club, has this to say on this crazy elections...

http://opinion.inquirer.net/94563/a-vote-for-our-future



MAYOR Rodrigo Duterte was our guest at a recent meeting of the Management Association of the Philippines and the Makati Business Club. He is now the frontrunner in the presidential race, and Election Day is only a few days away.

As we consider our final choices, my appeal is that we pause to fully appreciate the implications of our vote. Whatever others may say, the choice of our next president does matter, very much. The reason our economy has done well these past six years, and many more jobs have been created compared to the previous 12, is mainly the improvement in governance provided by President Aquino and his Cabinet, which brought about the confidence investors needed to bring in their investments and create many more jobs.

As the mayor is the frontrunner, he deserves close scrutiny.  And the best way to know him is to go by what he has said throughout the campaign.  Let us study some key statements that are particularly noteworthy.

The mayor said months ago that there would be a lot of fat fish in our waterways because he will dump there 100,000 suspected criminals whom he will order to be killed. He repeated before the business groups that his standing order to his law enforcers when suspected criminals resist arrest is to kill them—and he will arm the enforcers with presigned pardons so that human rights do-gooders cannot get in their way. He also repeated that if a son of his is found to be a drug offender, he will have him killed. For good measure, the mayor also warned the Office of the Ombudsman, the Commission on Human Rights, and Congress not to block him or interfere with his work. And he added that at the end of his term, he would issue himself a pardon for the crime of multiple murder.

The mayor has threatened on more than one occasion to abolish Congress if it does not cooperate with him, or threatens to impeach him. A few days ago he said he might just form a revolutionary government.

The mayor has also expressed strong admiration for Ferdinand Marcos, whom he believes to be the best president our country has had, a hero who deserves to be buried at the Libingan ng mga Bayani. To my knowledge, he has made no statements about the world-class plunder of the Marcoses, the massive human rights abuses, and how Marcos brought our once thriving economy to bankruptcy. He also said on one occasion that he may not be healthy enough to last six years as president, but he looks forward to a state funeral, and would turn over the presidency to Bongbong Marcos.

Of course, there was his famous remark expressing disappointment that he did not have first crack at the rape of an Australian missionary. And lately, he declared some bank accounts with significant deposits to be nonexistent, only to later admit that they do exist after all.

There are probably many more statements that would give us a clearer idea of what kind of person the mayor really is. Many who support him clearly believe that statements like these simply demonstrate the strong, decisive leadership that they find lacking in the current administration. Don’t worry, they say, that’s just tough talk. Don’t worry that the mayor will actually do what he promises.

But surely the mayor and his supporters cannot take offense if we take his statements seriously, for these are certainly no laughing matter. For the sense that his statements convey  a distinct lack of respect for the rule of law.  And the rule of law is the foundation upon which confidence is built. Of course, peace and order are important, but these must be attained within the confines of the law. Without the rule of law, there will be chaos and anarchy, and no confidence in our country. Without confidence, there will be no investments, and without investments, there will be no jobs. These are not threats, only sheer facts. And it will not be just the business owners and bosses who will suffer, but also thousands of workers and their families who will be deprived of jobs. Remember that peace and order ultimately do not come from the end of the barrel of a gun but from food on the table, access to good education, housing and health.

It is in this context that I fervently appeal that we all review our choices one last time before we vote.  Let us not vote out of despair or sheer disgust at an indecisive, slow-responding administration, or the infuriating traffic, or rampant crimes. Let us not go for a solution that may be far worse than the problems we are addressing. Think instead of what your vote will mean for your future and the future of millions of younger Filipinos, including your children or your younger siblings and coworkers. Consider the tremendous cost of the wrong choice.

Focus finally on the leaders we need to build on our gains, and to address the indecisiveness and ineptitude that have deterred our progress. Let us select no less than leaders who embody the decency, honesty, competence, toughness and patriotism that we want, and who have the capacity to bring us all together after the elections, so that we can be one united nation in pursuit of a better life for all Filipinos.

Please vote wisely!

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on May 04, 2016, 03:20 PM
^^^haha... Pahinge source na binawi ni Poe yun dilg sec appointment declaration niyafor duterte?
Kaya nga di makasagot si bauer e... Ayan, dont add fuel to the fire! Lol

If you believe in survey, you should be happy Roxas is number 2 na... Script is followed lol...

Bauer kasi panay tira kay Duterte, nakalimutan may iba pang rival....na blindsided yun pag overtake ni Roxas kay Poe....bwahahaha ( that is if you believe in surveys) di mo kasi sinasagot yun logical question ko na illogical sagutin... Haha

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on May 04, 2016, 03:51 PM
Zsa Zsa Padilla, Conrad Onglao call off engagement
http://www.rappler.com/entertainment/news/131623-karylle-zsa-zsa-padilla-conrad-onglao-break-engagement?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=referral

^^^This soon??

Anong connect? Expect the unexpected...Timing, timing, timing....
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on May 04, 2016, 04:03 PM
May kilala ako na ganito dito. tamaan wag magalit.

By someone and shown on my fb feed:
Intellectuals on my feed are panicking at the prospect of a Duterte presidency. Some have resorted to labeling Duterte supporters as retards and fanatics - an unthinking mob. This betrays a tendency to respect the voice of the people only when it coincides with their choices. By considering votes for Duterte as irrational and illogical, they are implying these votes as less than equal, less than the legitimate voice of the electorate as when the elite dismissed the masa vote of Erap. They fear the rise of a fascist dictatorship, not realizing their own attitude is fundamentally undemocratic.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on May 04, 2016, 04:17 PM
https://www.facebook.com/ThePhilippineSTAR/videos/607629559390729/

^^Digong presscon live

too bad cant catch it
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: freefront on May 04, 2016, 04:25 PM
Duterte- riding on the anti-corruption campaign......methinks he really doesn't want to be president  :D

Duterte admits receiving gifts from Quiboloy


Davao City Mayor Rodrigo Duterte on Monday admitted his friend Pastor Apollo Quiboloy had given him gifts, including properties and cars.
During Quiboloy’s late-night show, Duterte said he had three properties at Woodridge Park, Ma-a, in Davao City given to him by Quiboloy.
“When I was mayor, Pastor bought three properties. He said ‘I will buy properties for your children because if anything happens to you because of your work, if you die …’ because I really go after the criminals here. He gave me a house at Woodridge. I didn’t accept it. And it’s there. Go to Woodridge, who bought it? It’s Pastor who paid,” Duterte said.

The tough-talking local executive said Quiboloy had also given him a Nissan Safari and Ford Expedition.
“Pagpunta ko ng airport, P300. Hindi na makabalik. So P600 (When I went to the airport, gasoline cost P300. We couldn’t go back; we needed P600),” Duterte said.
“(I said) ‘Pastor, iyo na ’yan (Pastor, that’s yours),’” he said, referring to the Ford Expedition. “So binalik ko (I gave it back to him).”
But the mayor said his daughter, Sara, wanted to keep the vehicle.
“I returned it. Then Sara got mad because she wanted it,” he said. “(I told her) ‘Eh saan ka magkuha ng pang-gasolina? Para kang buang diyan (Where will you get the money for gas? You’re crazy).’”

With his 30 years of friendship with Quiboloy, Duterte said the pastor would always buy two so he could give one to him.
“Every time Pastor buys something, he always gets two. One is mine, for sure,” Duterte said. “He doesn’t have other friends. I mean, a friend he can really trust.”

The mayor also narrated an incident when he went to the United States to treat his “sweaty hands” and Quiboloy offered to pay for the mayor’s expenses for a neurosurgeon, whom he identified as Dr. Martin Cooper.
If elected president, Duterte said he would commute to Davao City every day.
“I do not have to embezzle funds. I can ask Pastor,” he said.
He said Quiboloy offered his plane for his use.
“I told him I’ll just use it because if I win, I’ll go home every night here in Davao,” he said. “That’s service, that’s the contribution of Pastor to our government.”

Duterte is facing allegations of ill-gotten wealth after Sen. Antonio Trillanes IV accused him of having at least P211 million at the Bank of the Philippine Islands (BPI) branch in Julia Vargas Avenue, Pasig City.
Trillanes said Duterte did not declare this amount in his statement of assets, liabilities and net worth.
The senator also released a list of Duterte’s properties to belie the latter’s claim that he was poor.
During his interview with Quiboloy, Duterte said the pastor had been generous with him because of their friendship.
“Pastor has given me so many things, I’m not going to mention everything, over the years,” Duterte said. “But not billions.” RC


Read more: http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/783042/duterte-admits-receiving-gifts-from-quiboloy#ixzz47fo9zAV9
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Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: freefront on May 04, 2016, 04:45 PM
Duterte-Joma Sison Alliance CONFIRMED.

Chatting with Joma Sison via webcam re: revolutionary gov't. Duterte declares he is a socialist and has always said so. Stil think he wants to sit as the president you want him to be?

https://www.facebook.com/sonnytrillanes.official/videos/1204895492856011/

The video is from Trillanes. Surely edited but I don't have the discernment to know if magic has been done like that sanamagan Jose Mari Gonzales did to a 45 minute encounter between MAR and his son-in-law via KringKring Gonzales. Begs the question, was that in a closed room encounter? The next thought would be, may nag-leak sa kampo nila. Aval bakit why?


More than anything, he's probably afraid to get married again just to satisfy the protocol of his office as a president and representative of the Filipino people. So, it has to be a revolutionary gov't. so he can say " whodafuckcares!" and Honeylet can cook him pritong isda in Malacanang. Socialist revolutionary gov't. at that. Not your socialist democratic Denmark-Netherlands-Finland-kind, but a socialist-Joma Sison and his cadres will be part of the gov't-kind  :watchuthink:

Then, it comes to full circle. When he said he will solve the crime and drug problems within 3-6 months, did anybody say, "You and whose army?". And there you go.

Sobrang wild ba ang imagination ko?  :D
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: freefront on May 04, 2016, 04:50 PM
May kilala ako na ganito dito. tamaan wag magalit.

By someone and shown on my fb feed:
Intellectuals on my feed are panicking at the prospect of a Duterte presidency. Some have resorted to labeling Duterte supporters as retards and fanatics - an unthinking mob. This betrays a tendency to respect the voice of the people only when it coincides with their choices. By considering votes for Duterte as irrational and illogical, they are implying these votes as less than equal, less than the legitimate voice of the electorate as when the elite dismissed the masa vote of Erap. They fear the rise of a fascist dictatorship, not realizing their own attitude is fundamentally undemocratic.

Linawin natin  :)

Maraming matatalinong Duterte supporters. Isa ka na dun. Intellectuals? Matalino daw na may kakayahan ng critical/analytical thiking. Isa ka pa din dun.  Paano na yan?

As far as I know, and I did meet a lot, anti-Duterte people can drop fbombs like a Duterte fan would, but I haven't heard them threaten people with violation and death.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on May 04, 2016, 04:55 PM
^ again, to viewpoints. unifying leader or the articles so called alliance.

I choose the former.

Receiving gifts. Im not a lawyer, but from my understanding, as long as the fund is not from tax payers money, and it doesnot entitle the giver to have his personal agendas granted in dealing with government, theres no problem.

Yolanda funds. Toink. Toink. Toink.

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: freefront on May 04, 2016, 05:05 PM
meron siguro kasi kung walang hundreds of millions na pumasok at lumabas on a regular basis, hindi yan mag-aatubili to make sampal to trillanes’s face, just to prove his point/innocence. But it was very apparent how he suddenly backed down from the limelight and allowed his lawyers to suddenly face the media.alam naman natin si mayor kung anong nasa isip sinasabi na lang…

But how do you now reconcile yung “against elitism” stance which he allegedly represents, kung eto nga bilyon ang aggregate value of bank transactions na dumaan sa account nya. Doesn’t that make him an elite as well, one who has money and power and influence he can wield at will. You don’t have to live in Forbes to be elite. Anong pagbabago ang sinasabi, eh hindi ba yun mismong gustong buwagin na “kurap” e meron nang patunay na sya mismo pala ang gumagawa (receiving cash, gifts or rewards is ABSOLUTELY PROHIBITED under the Anti-Graft and Corrupt Practices Act)? Now his people are crying foul for invasion of privacy and bank secrecy violation… the tenor of their statements now is, daanin muna sa ebidensya at korte… e hindi ba gusto nya ay matapang at mabilis na aksyon, kung tinatawaga na criminal, patayin na agad. Now he gets a dose of his own medicine. Hindi sya kasama sa ganung patakaran? Sya pwedeng humingi ng due process at hindi dapat pasabugin ang ulo agad-agad?

What would be the implications of his declarations/admissions? For me it says a lot about his mental state. Lawyer ito who knows his way around the legal system, and it’s almost like he’s begging to be charged with all kinds of offenses. Inamin or pinagyabang na nyang marami na syang pinatay, he accepts millions of cash as “gifts from rich friends”, his bank accounts and properties that are undeclared in his SALNs. Now his fans idolize him more because he’s digging a hole for himself but which they think he craftily gets away from through his wit and humor. Ang funny lang din akala nila namilosopo sa TV, abswelto na? Hahaha. Outstanding balance na P17,000+ and P26k+ yata, ung classmate na lawyer (at ka-brod nya) pa ang nagpost sa fb. LOL. E kahit sino naman na may P200M na walang legit source of income na ganyan kalaki, pwedeng-pwedeng mag-wire transfer sa offshore account nya or sa ibang bangko, in 30 seconds maglalaho. Ang lalim din mag-isip eh. Hahaha.

I got schooled by Miriam on "Rule of Law" hahaha. Ang dami palusot ni Duterte. Nagsinungaling sya. Tapos ang usapan. Ipasok nyo pa yung walang gift tax, wala sa SALN, graft and corrupt practices, blah blah blah.... Alam mo naisip ko? His fans are acting a bit like spousal abuse victims who stay despite being habitually smacked in the face. "Andyan na yan, eh". Tapos ang usapan. Bugbog pa more  :evil:

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But then again he’s old. 71 yrs old na so he’s not criminally liable anymore, baka yun ang pinanghahawakan. Though I think the reckoning point is the age at the time the offense/graft act was committed, pasok pa sya (the biggest deposits—in hundred millions- were done exactly on his 69th bday).

Just as in deciding what to do with your stock holdings… if the reason for you buying the stock no longer exists, then its time to sell. May change nga ba or the same snake just wearing a different skin? Itataboy nga ba ang elite kung ang totoo e kabaro naman pala nya.
 

If the fans turn into defectors, I don’t think they will vote for Mar instead (unless they felt so betrayed with the accusations). Duterte fans are necessarily Mar haters. Im guessing Grace will catch the throw away votes. And lets remember the Pnoy-Grace secret alliance has not been completely shaken out. Daang Matuwid still wins. Hahaha. Belat sa mga sinusuka ang DM.

I am not expecting a Mar win and I’m ok with that becoz it means Korina wont be first lady. That’s the farthest my selfish motives could take me. <evil laugh>


Pareho na may pagka-selfish ang isang rason: Duterte will institutionalize the "kabit syndrome" without him saying anything about a remedy of this situation. For me, it has a huge economic repurcussion lalo na sa mga anak ng mga hindi naman kasing dami ng pera gaya ni Duterte. Is he going to go against the church on the matter of divorce or what?
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on May 04, 2016, 05:08 PM
^^^ @freefront show me any post of mine calling any of you guys choice irrational? Show me a single post that says anyone of you guys are not thinking in selecting your votes.

More importantly, the so called intellectuals are generally categorizing duterte supporters as stupid non thinking voters. Buti ka pa, kala mo intellectual ako. Haha... Show me a single post for categorizing a group of voters generalizing them in one way or another.

But I will still question bauers vote, very far from generalizing all poe supporters as such. I hope you get my point freefront.

Here It is again: " how can you vote for someone who is willing to delegate a very important government post to someone that you hate (do negative campaigning)so much? "

Until now, he does not want or cant or dont dare or scared to answer.

Death threats and curses? Yeah i see a lot of Duterte supporters doing that. Tabla tabla lang sa mga Roxas supporters who think Duterte people vote without thinking.Self righteous supporters vs fbomb supporters. 

Namimikon vs. pikon. Or pikon vs. namimikon. Disenteng pikon vs barumbadong namimikon. Disenteng namimikon vs. barumbadong pikon.  Either way. Tabla tabla.

Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: rds on May 04, 2016, 05:29 PM
^no need further explanation...yung nakakaintindi lang.

besides, based sa nabasa ko sa inquirer, even the PSE members and the DOF employees (ba?), majority maka-Duterte din, ibig ba sabihin irrational din ang majority sa kanila?

kung sana lahat ng boboto kay Duterte ay puro "mob", di sana masasabi ko baka nga delusional lang yung Dtuerte supporters.

kaya lang, based sa consistent survey results, Duterte is favored by almost all class of people - ABCDE...from squatter to rich!
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on May 04, 2016, 05:39 PM
@freefront,

http://josiahgo.com/decoding-a-demagogue-strategy-in-the-2016-philippine-elections-by-josiah-go/

Read this article. And read the comments. Hope you get my point.

Disclosure : this is an anti-duterte-pleasure-reading piece of writing in a marketing perspective. So enjoy! Hehehe... Read very carefully, generalization hints here and there.

Welcome to one of ro-ro supporters. Ayan. Josiah Go. Marketing expert. Bestseller marketing book author. Enjoy!
May facebook page siya. Just search for the name. Like it in case you become a fan.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: ghanie on May 04, 2016, 05:41 PM
Natatawa ako kay Bauer and GS..... Hindi kaya after election sabihin nyong dalawa na na hack lang ang account nyo?

*kuha popcorn*
ako rin, kaya nood lang ako dito sa thread na to, abangan ang susunod na kabanata. :D

ilang araw na lang, tingin ko panalo na si Duterte. :o
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: ghanie on May 04, 2016, 05:48 PM
meron siguro kasi kung walang hundreds of millions na pumasok at lumabas on a regular basis, hindi yan mag-aatubili to make sampal to trillanes’s face, just to prove his point/innocence.

Yan din unang pumasok sa isip ko. Gusto ko talaga sya dati lalo pa nung wala pa sya tv ads masyado kasi nga sabi nya wala naman sya perang pambayad and nahingi siya tulong sa mga tao na sila na lang gumawa ng campaign materials nya. Okay na okay siya sa paningin ko non. :D Tapos biglang nagulat ako sandamakmak bigla ads niya tapos medyo off yun ibang supporters nya, nang-aaway and kung anu ano pa sinasabi. Naisip ko sino tong grabe magbigay ng pera para sa pangangampanya nya, samantalang dati wala siya halos makinarya. Pero again, pag naman tumingin ako sa Davao and lahat ng friends at kakilala kong taga davao, solid pa rin naman sila na Duterte dahil sabi nila kilala na daw nila kung papano mamuno to. Ang gulo no? Mapapaisip ka talaga.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on May 04, 2016, 05:50 PM
Oh ya, si carlos celdran, saan natin icacategorize? Kasi Fbomber din siya, pero roxas supporter. Hahaha... Kaya wag mag generalize.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: GoodSteward on May 04, 2016, 05:55 PM
@ghanie, the destiny of your vote lies on your hands... Trying to sound profound...lol... Pero eto lang masasabi ko. Granting that we weigh everyone equal in terms of corruption, that is a big assumption, lets look at sino ang may nagawa. Sino ang may ginagawa. Sino ang wala pang ginagawa. Sino ang walang nagawa at walang  gagawin.
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: Gineto on May 04, 2016, 05:58 PM
You know what is happening to SALN? Ask Miriam she knows better Nyahaha.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amNHS3Rbbzc
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: TulogSaPancitan on May 04, 2016, 06:05 PM
repost--> http://www.manilatimes.net/duterte-quite-obviously-hiding-his-wealth/260059/

Anybody with a bank account would conclude without a shadow of a doubt that Mayor Rodrigo Duterte is hiding his unexplained wealth – at least P211 million in a BPI branch, as Senator Antonio Trillanes alleged.

Look, what would you do if somebody falsely claimed that you had P100 million in your bank account, when you had much, much less?
You would log on to your online account – which most banks and depositors now use, and which I suppose Duterte does, too, to monitor his wealth from far-way Davao – download your account information, its history, and then print it out.

Or the easier way would be to go to the bank, give the teller your passbook and ask her to update it. I did this myself recently and it just took 15 minutes for the teller to post on it my transactions since I opened the account in 2011.

It’s really as easy as that to debunk a false claim that you have such amounts as this and that in your bank account.
This is no longer the era of banks keeping information about your account in brown Manila envelopes and logged manually in those thick ledger books, folks. Banks’ digital information systems are designed to produce all of the details of your bank account in nanoseconds on a computer screen or a printed page.

Duterte could just have photocopied his bank statements the day after Trillanes made the allegation, released them and in his usual vulgar way, bullied him in front of national media saying: “O, ito ang report ng bangko, ko. Kainin mo Senator Trillanes, at baka isampal ko sa iyo. [Here is my bank account report. Eat it, or I’ll slap your face with it].” He could have done this and served the Republic well by invoking Trillanes’ promise to resign as Senator if his allegations were proven wrong.
But what does Duterte do?

First, as he and his followers can manage at their best level of discourse, he calls Trillanes names: idiot, p*tang-*na. I don’t have an account at BPI Julia Vargas, he claims.

But when a journalist and a staff of candidate Mar Roxas proved the existence of those accounts by depositing pesos and dollars into them using the account numbers Trillanes disclosed, Duterte changes his story, and admits he has those accounts at BPI.

He actually even plays the role, really hilariously, of the ignorant “promdi,” mumbling he doesn’t know how much money he has in his account because he is confused with the zeros. But a slip of the tongue betrays his ploy, saying that Trillanes is wrong to claim he has P211 million. “I only have a little less [than that],” he says, while the recorders are rolling. A day later, realizing that he has practically admitted to having a huge loot of unexplained money, he says he is just “playing Trillanes along.”

And if he only has thousands and not tens of millions in his account, why does he have to contract one of the most expensive criminal lawyers in the country, Salvador Panelo, to make sure the bank doesn’t disclose his accounts, or if it has to, only after the elections?
Panelo has built up a reputation in the country’s legal circles as the most expensive criminal lawyer “of the last resort.” His most well known client at the moment is the Ampatuan clan, charged with the most heinous Maguindanao massacre of 58 innocent people in 2009. (Panelo claims that the massacre was committed by Ampatuan’s political rivals, so they should get the blame!)
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: ghanie on May 04, 2016, 06:08 PM
@ghanie, the destiny of your vote lies on your hands... Trying to sound profound...lol... Pero eto lang masasabi ko. Granting that we weigh everyone equal in terms of corruption, that is a big assumption, lets look at sino ang may nagawa. Sino ang may ginagawa. Sino ang wala pang ginagawa. Sino ang walang nagawa at walang  gagawin.

Pag yan ang tanong, si MDS ang sagot dyan-- kung pang National ang pag-uusapan. :D
Pero kung mabilisang aksyon, malinaw si Duterte yan, pero bakit yun sa BPI account, ambagal. :(
Title: Re: POLL: Your Philippine President in 2016?
Post by: bajoyjoy on May 04, 2016, 06:18 PM

Receiving gifts. Im not a lawyer, but from my understanding, as long as the fund is not from tax payers money, and it doesnot entitle the giver to have his personal agendas granted in dealing with government, theres no problem.

buhay na buhay ang dugo ni GS! baka magka-withdrawal syndrome ka after ng election... or not kung manalo sya, araw-araw ka pa rin tatanga sa tv at FB para malaman kung anong latest kabalbalan na sasabihin nya na kailangan mong iexplain or justify. for the next 6 years.

as to the receiving of gifts.. para hindi ka magbase on your own understanding, google mo anti-graft and corrupt practices act, andun mga bawal.. so to answer your statement, YES, THERE IS A PROBLEM. Gift for whatever purpose, to get favor in return, by reason of or in consideration of his position. Exemption is gift of 'NOMINAL' value during special occasions. HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF PESOS is not nominal in any planet.

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Yolanda funds. Toink. Toink. Toink.
FIrstly why are they looking at Mar on the Yolanda funds, entirely i mean.. Remember the 2 years yata ni Lacson as Rehab czar, anong nangyari ba? I dont know. it was a special position that was created for him, to handle yolanda rehab and fund management. dapat may special report din to update everyone esp the donors.

anyway, I'll just leave this here.

(http://i.imgur.com/8xMMO9c.jpg)

Duterte admits receiving gifts from Quiboloy

^^^impeachable ba yan?
hindi pa sya presidente at the time he accepted, pwede graft as mayor. but if he's president saka sya kakasuhan, he may invoke immunity from suits...

Yan din unang pumasok sa isip ko. Gusto ko talaga sya dati lalo pa nung wala pa sya tv ads masyado kasi nga sabi nya wala naman sya perang pambayad and nahingi siya tulong sa mga tao na sila na lang gumawa ng campaign materials nya. Okay na okay siya sa paningin ko non. :D Tapos biglang nagulat ako sandamakmak bigla ads niya tapos medyo off yun ibang supporters nya, nang-aaway and kung anu ano pa sinasabi. Naisip ko sino tong grabe magbigay ng pera para sa pangangampanya nya, samantalang dati wala siya halos makinarya. Pero again, pag naman tumingin ako sa Davao and