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Title: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: mangben on Aug 04, 2009, 11:34 AM
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: junapos on Aug 06, 2009, 04:10 PM
I totally agree with mangben. Our body's natural ph is about 7.4. It becomes unbalanced with the "modern diet" (fastfoods, instant meals, etc..) That is why we need to drink alkaline water to raise our natural ph and alkalinize our body. Diseases/sickness don't live in an alkaline environment.

Likewise, eating an alkaline diet is not hard, following an alkaline diet requires lifestyle adjustments for the majority of people. With alcoholic beverages, softdrinks, coffee, instant tea, refined flours, and sugars being acidic, it is easy to see how the ph becomes unbalanced. Going on an alkaline diet means giving up--or greatly reducing--fast food, snack foods, and some meats. More on vegetables and fruits, they are alkaline. :D
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: Langerhans on Aug 06, 2009, 11:40 PM

Interesting post! hmm...
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: mangben on Aug 07, 2009, 08:23 AM
Well said! junapos.
The things is, even vegetables & fruits now are laced with chemical preservatives,
which are poison. (Cancer triggering)...
So it maybe proper to say that, we should choose vegetables that are organically grown.

Studies have been conducted showing certain health benefits (increased bone mass) and colon cleansed
in specific populations (older people) as a result of taking alkaline supplements.

The theory behind the alkaline diet is not widely accepted by the medical community,
as it runs contrary to conventional theories of disease.
(Alkalize or Die by Dr. Theodore A. Baroody)

And the most convenient way to have an alkaline + acid balance is to take alkaline water.
Not only, will you be following doctor's advice of drinking 8 to 10 glasses of water,
but it would be cheaper and there's NO OVERDOSE.
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: bellfox on Aug 10, 2009, 08:18 PM
Is alkaline water really that effective? Is it safe? Can you please enlighten me on alkaline water because I'm very curious of this.
Title: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: mangben on Aug 10, 2009, 08:48 PM
Honestly, it's good for your health.

Alkaline water balances excess acid waste on your body.
That's why even those suffering from gouts, arthritis or rheumatism
experience relief by just drinking alkaline water alone.

They commonly have excess uric acids which alkaline water balances.
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: julz on Aug 11, 2009, 12:50 AM
water is good, it can cure a lot of ailments
alkaline water is better than distilled, boiled (eew), solid water, tap water  :applause:

when we eat animal meat, this increases the acidity of our body, and that's how our body ages faster.

btw, there's a similar thread with same title, hope someone can merge it.
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: dinaren on Aug 12, 2009, 07:51 PM
i dont see benefits in continuous drinking of alkaline water for alkalinization of the body. Dont you know that our body and its cellular biochemical metabolic processes has an acid-base balance in order to have homeostasis(balance)? If you tamper with this so called "balance" you'll be interfering with the body's natural biochemical composition. Alkalinization or acidification of the body may result in acid-base imbalances such as metabolic/respiratory alkalosis or respiratory/metabolic acidosis. These are fatal conditions.

I suggest that you should quantify how much alkaline is going to the body and there should be periodic blood ph monitoring for those who are drinking alkaline water because any change in one's body ph is detrimental to health.

Besides we also need acid in our cycle (you know citric acid in Kreb's cycle?- it is the basic biochemical process in our body). We also need acid to digest our food and as defense mechanism to harmful oxidants and bacteria (you know ascorbic acid?) Natural vitamins and also are made up of acid, Vit.C, Nicotinic acid, Lactic acid, etc. There are also bacteria that thrives in an alkaline environment such as Pseudomonas, Proteus, etc.

So think about it, is total alkalinization of the body really benificial?
Title: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: mangben on Aug 12, 2009, 08:22 PM
Well, who sez we don't need acid.

{Besides we also need acid in our cycle (you know citric acid in Kreb's cycle?- it is the basic biochemical process in our body).}

nobody's complainin...

What we're talking here is to drink alkaline water just to balance excess acids.
Probably in the vicinity of pH 7.5 to 8. but not those alkaline water produced by a japanese gadget,
which I believe spew out water with pH of 10

Total alkalinization of the body is really bad, coz you'll suffer from alkalosis.
Fungus will grow, yeast will prevail and worst, you'll have hemorroids. Ouch!
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: dinaren on Aug 13, 2009, 12:26 AM

nobody's complainin...

What we're talking here is to drink alkaline water just to balance excess acids.
Probably in the vicinity of pH 7.5 to 8. but not those alkaline water produced by a japanese gadget,
which I believe spew out water with pH of 10


aah.. so how will you know if a person has excess acid? are there any tests?

does it mean if a person doesnt have excess acid he doesnt need any alkaline water? how can we quantify "excess acid"?

and if youre saying that your alkaline water's ph is around 7.5-8 then it is no difference from any other water like purified, mineral, distilled, or tap water coz They have also the same ph. There's no significant difference in ph.
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: junapos on Aug 14, 2009, 02:58 PM
you can test your body's ph level/acidity by buying pH level test strips (available at mercury drug). with that you will know if you are acidic or not. likewise, you can also test your water's ph by buying ph concentrate drops together with the ph chart. you can buy it at any leading aquarium stores. you will know your water's true ph and not just what is indicated in the label.
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: dinaren on Aug 15, 2009, 04:13 PM

you can test your body's ph level/acidity by buying pH level test strips (available at mercury drug). with that you will know if you are acidic or not. likewise, you can also test your water's ph by buying ph concentrate drops together with the ph chart. you can buy it at any leading aquarium stores. you will know your water's true ph and not just what is indicated in the label.


i understand, but which part or fluid of the body ba ang dapat i-measure para malaman kung acidic ka ba or hindi? coz as far as we know the ph of the body's fluids (eg.blood, urine, sweat, tears, etc.) has different ph levels. besides lahat yan may normal range and is found in the majority of the population, so if it is normal then why mess it up by drinking alkaline water?
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: junapos on Aug 17, 2009, 03:48 PM
the normal range of our body's ph is 7 to 7.5 (may it be our blood, urine, saliva). but it becomes unbalanced because of the things we put into our mouth like alcohol, softdrinks and simply put our modern diet w/c comprised of fastfoods, instant meals. its hard to maintain the body's ph level at normal range. thats why we get sick because becoz our body is already burden in trying hard to maintain that normal range. drinking alkaline water helps our bodies to achieve that alkaline state which is 7.5 to 9. likewise, when we eat greens (vegatables and fruits) we also help our bodies achieve that.
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: dinaren on Aug 19, 2009, 12:29 AM
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: GoodSteward on Aug 19, 2009, 01:32 AM
May narinig pa ako, if you want to have a baby boy, guys should drink alkaline water daw everyday...sure ball lalaki yun baby walang sablay daw. I wonde rhow true it is or its just marketing gimmick lang....
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: SirZap on Aug 19, 2009, 02:22 AM
I am suppose to buy alkaline water for my own consumption for the simple reason that I am acidic.
then I read this thread and got confused  :scratch:
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: dinaren on Aug 19, 2009, 04:22 AM

I am suppose to buy alkaline water for my own consumption for the simple reason that I am acidic.


exactly my point. as mr sirzap said he wants to drink alkaline water because he is "acidic". Maybe what he means is "hyperacidic" which pertains only to the stomach. Being "hyperacidic" or having gastritis due to excess production of acid in the stomach or injury in the stomach linings doesnt mean everything else outside the stomach is also acidic na rin including your blood and other body fluids. That condition is confined only in the stomach.

My point is, It is understandable to drink alkaline water with such condition like hyperacidity (even so, you also need to know how much alkaline is entering your system). IMO it is still better to drink medicines (like antacids) at least you know exactly how much the dosage of alkaline is entering your body. Unlike alkaline water (with ph of 7.5-9), wherein we supposedly use it as "water"? wow! You know liquid sosa? It is also alkaline and it's poisonous!

So once and for all, for normal people like us, do we still need to drink alkaline water? Do we have to mess up the normal biochemistry of our body? :cool2:
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: junapos on Aug 19, 2009, 11:49 AM
@ dinaren, ok just to make it clear, yes indeed our body's natural ph is 7.4, neutral state (neither acidic nor alkaline). the big question is, does our body able to maintain the neutral state? As I oftenly say, modern diet and the toxic world around us tends to create clutter in the blood and diminish the blood's ability to carry nutrients. This inefficient state of the blood will inevitably result in the body becoming more acidic to try to speed the nutrient flow to vital organs. Our desire to be healthy is not just to be in the neutral state but more on the alkaline side (higher than 7.4 and up to 9). its not being too alkaline, its just being 70% alkaline and 30% acidic. You said that if we have too much acid in our system, our body also has natural ways of getting rid of excess acid. If that is true, then various diseases such as arthritis, gout, hypertension, diabetes, ulcer, cancer, etc.. will not exist. But why do we experience it?, its because our bodies could not maintain its alkaline state anymore. Burdened na sya kaya dapat we should help our bodies become alkaline for it to fight these diseases caused by acidity. You can search it for yourself in the net, google it (body ph) and you will have clear a understanding of that fact that being alkaline is the way to good health. :cool2:
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: dinaren on Aug 19, 2009, 04:25 PM
i still leave you the benefit of the doubt but overwhelming facts points that alkalinization of the body is just as detrimental to our health as acidification of our body. try reading this:
http://www.merck.com/mmpe/sec12/ch157/ch157d.html

also the diseases that you mentioned are not caused by too much acid and couldn't be treated by alkalinization either except for ulcer maybe

i "googled" them and here are the results:

hypertension- it is the increase in blood pressure caused by hardening of arteries, or some hormonal problems, 90% have still no known cause, they are usually hereditary. they are NOT caused by acids.

arthritis- is a degenerative condition of the joints due to wear and tear, they are NOT caused by acids

gout- caused by excess uric acid because the body fails to metabolize it. Again it is caused by uric acid ONLY and not by all the other acids that are useful in our body which are "eliminated" by your alkaline water. If you want to eliminate uric acid then why not treat it with a drug specific for uric acid only?

diabetes- is caused by lack or insufficient amount of insulin, sometimes its hereditary NOT caused by acid.

ulcer- is not entirely caused by hyperacidity, sometimes its caused by a tumor in stomach, its also may be caused by smoking and some harmful medicines which could damage the natural protection of its linings.

cancer- it's caused by oxidants and carcinogens(in fact only a few are acids and there are alkaline carcinogens too), it could also be hereditary, and sometimes by radiation. it is NOT entirely caused by acid.

my point is, if we have certain diseases like mentioned above, why dont we instead target the "offending agents" only and not the entire acid of the body which some of them are proven to be beneficial to our system.

me as an ordinary deciphering consumer, just asking lang naman. no offense meant really
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: junapos on Aug 19, 2009, 05:39 PM
well, i respect your opinion. anybody is entitled to it. from my own personal experience, i got sick, terribly sick that i had to resign from my job. i tried all kinds of traditional medicines, yet to no avail. a friend introduced me to alkaline water. guess what? it cured me. and im living an alkaline diet ever since. im a living testimony to it. as a parting words to you my friend so that you will be enlightened, all sickness is caused by too much acid in our body...

here are some helpful articles:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/213268/unbalanced_ph_levels_in_your_body_how.html?cat=51
http://ezinearticles.com/?How-Body-pH-Can-Affect-Your-Energy-Levels&id=4670
http://www.naturalhealthschool.com/acid-alkaline.html
 :watchuthink:
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: dinaren on Aug 19, 2009, 05:56 PM
junaphos: "all sickness is caused by too much acid in the body"

what i can say to that statement: ^its purely hearsay, unproven, no scientific and supporting evidences/studies from reputed organizations, and totally inaccurate.. that statement is only a hypothesis. Besides, if i really wanted alkaline diet, i'll just pick some vegetables in my backyard it could also give me some essential vitamins and minerals, plus the added antioxidants and anti-carcinogenic factors, and fibers, that are not found in alkaline water. ANd its also cheaper. :cool2:

nuff said. peace
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: junapos on Aug 19, 2009, 07:17 PM
here are additional articles to help you be enlightened more...some of it are based on real life experience, contrary to what you are defending which i say is purely theoritical. i dunno where is your information coming from. maybe ur a dealer of a certain soda company that sells acidic beverages? (just joking)


here are additional articles to help you be enlightened more:

http://www.alkalife.com/page.php?&cms=article&articleid=22
http://showbizandstyle.inquirer.net/lifestyle/lifestyle/view/20090213-189226/Alkaline-water-for-better-health

as i oftenly say, just keep an open mind. i am a living testimony of the wonder of alkaline water and diet. you can't refute that.  :watchuthink:
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: dinaren on Aug 19, 2009, 09:43 PM
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: dinaren on Aug 19, 2009, 09:59 PM

drinking alkaline water helps our bodies to achieve that alkaline state which is 7.5 to 9.


here are some of the text in medscape (ill just paste it here for your 'enlightenment'):
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 Mortality/Morbidity
Severe metabolic alkalosis (ie, blood pH >7.55) is a serious medical problem. Mortality rates have been reported as 45% in patients with an arterial blood pH of 7.55 and 80% when the pH was greater than 7.65.

Severe alkalosis causes diffuse arteriolar constriction with reduction in tissue perfusion. By decreasing cerebral blood flow, alkalosis may lead to tetany, seizures, and decreased mental status. Metabolic alkalosis also decreases coronary blood flow and predisposes persons to refractory arrhythmias.
Metabolic alkalosis causes hypoventilation, which may cause hypoxemia, especially in patients with poor respiratory reserve, and it may impair weaning from mechanical ventilation.
Alkalosis decreases the serum concentration of ionized calcium by increasing calcium ion binding to albumin. In addition, metabolic alkalosis is almost always associated with hypokalemia, which can cause neuromuscular weakness and arrhythmias, and, by increasing ammonia production, it can precipitate hepatic encephalopathy in susceptible individuals.

source:medscape
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/243160-overview


hth
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: GoodSteward on Aug 19, 2009, 11:59 PM
hmm...i think case to case basis yan...like accupuncture, some have good testimonials, some naman lalong lumala yun sakit pagkatapos ng pagtuturok ng karayom....

Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: junapos on Aug 20, 2009, 09:01 AM
According to many health researchers, total healing of chronic illness takes place only when and if the blood is restored to a normal, slightly alkaline pH. In case you missed it, let me say it again...

Total healing of chronic illness takes place only when and if the blood is restored to a normal, slightly alkaline pH.

The magnitude of meaning behind this research is of incredible importance to someone who is fighting a disease, overcoming an illness, or just desiring to feel better. What it means is this...

Your Body pH Affects EVERYTHING.

The issue here is being on the alkaline side, not just drinking alkaline water per se. Most vegetables and fruits are highly alkaline, but it doesnt mean that if i eat a lot of fruits and vegetables everyday ill have alkalosis. Again we are not talking about just drinking alkaline water, its the totality of being alkaline, which is the way to good health. No products are being sold whatsoever, as dinaren wrongly interprets.
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: dinaren on Aug 20, 2009, 02:38 PM
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: junapos on Aug 20, 2009, 05:04 PM
The theory is that degenerative disease is the result, at least in large part, to an acidic body. In other words, when someone's ph levels stay acidic too long, disease and aging happen.

I have some personal beliefs around that. Even though our bodies has their own internal ways of balancing ph levels, they were never designed to carry the acidic load the modern diet dumps into them. Our typical diet today is so high in acid-producing foods that I believe our bodies cannot stay balanced.

There explains why our average mortality rate is rapidly decreasing from 90 to 80 and now 70 due to diseases brought about by modern living.
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: dinaren on Aug 20, 2009, 07:20 PM
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: junapos on Aug 20, 2009, 09:01 PM


So how would you explain this? Now that its proven (with supporting links) that Our life now is actually better now than before.

Again, why fix what is not broken?


Those figures are are not the actual figures my friend. and our life is better than before? hahahaha...you make me laugh and almost fell off my chair...How do you compare our life now than before? our life now is more convenient than before, maybe thats what you meant. Is it? In our life now, we like convenience, but our diet suffers. We have busy, stressful lives, but don't exercise enough. We like our motor vehicles, yet they pump toxins into the air. There are health consequences to these trade-offs. Heart disease, diabetes, and cancer are now thought to be a direct result of diet, lack of exercise, environmental factors, and other lifestyle factors.  Our foods are filled with chemical additives and our bodies serve as depositories for these toxins, which disrupt our natural chemistry.

These and other non-communicable diseases are the cause of more and more deaths every year. The medical community is tirelessly researching and conducting studies, scrambling to find answers. Though poor health is often the result of many factors, in the end, all fingers point to a single culprit. It's us. We're damaging our bodies through the foods we eat, the environments we live in, and the lifestyles we lead.

The good news is that we do have the ability to take preventative measures against deadly disease. By starting the fight now, we reduce the chance of a future diagnosis. THE BIGGEST MISTAKE PEOPLE MAKE IS TO WAIT UNTIL THEY'RE BROKEN TO BE FIXED. Simple lifestyle changes can make the body stronger and more resilient, making it less susceptible to future problems. I hope you get the point now.
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: dinaren on Aug 20, 2009, 09:26 PM
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: junapos on Aug 23, 2009, 06:43 PM
you still dont get the point...


http://www.prevmedctr.org/
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: dinaren on Aug 23, 2009, 09:55 PM
 :D
I got it, crystal clear. Now after all the facts were presented here with matching links and "assumptions" it is till up to the consumers to decide what's best for them. Im just here to remind everyone (yup that includes you), to be INFORMED of the facts surrounding a 'product' before indulging in it. Nasa huli palagi ang pagsisisi.

Have you noticed why the swine flu vaccine takes lot of time before it goes out of the market inspite of the urgency of the situation? Its because it undergoes clinical trials and safety tests first before it can finally be released in the market. Safety should not be compromised in favor of convenience. What im saying is if you're not sure of the product, then better leave it alone, otherwise, you'll just be part of the "experiment".

So for now, yun lang muna. And to the people here who would like to continue with their "business", good luck na lang po. Just be responsible. What is a few profit compared to the lives you might endanger.  :help:
Title: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: mangben on Aug 24, 2009, 07:52 PM
Well junapos and dinaren...

Pareho kayong tama sa mga tinuran ninyo.
Only probably, nagkaiba lang ng konti ang inyong views and points.

But anyway, I'm sure, what you're after is to inform the public,
and help them to be more knowledgeable.

Kanya-kanyang views talaga...
even the scientists don't exactly agree with each other pagdating sa huli.

Anyway, there's no harm in drinking alkaline water, as I said
Wag lang to the extreme, meaning drinking those with high pH value.

It helps, much easier to drink the water,
kesa naman umasa ka sa alkaline na makukuha
sa mga organically grown fruits and vegetables.

So, we just put it to rest, bahala na ang madla
kung pipiliin nila ang uminom ng alkaline water o purified distilled water.

Thanks to dinaren for being well informed.
Also salamat din kay junapos sa kanyang well research na mga pananaw.
Title: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: sicalsem on Aug 25, 2009, 09:12 PM
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Post by: tops5450 on Aug 25, 2009, 09:21 PM
Title: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: bonix on Nov 08, 2009, 02:15 PM
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: dinaren on Nov 08, 2009, 07:41 PM
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: bonix on Nov 09, 2009, 12:13 AM
I've never thought there was a saying like that.. Thanks for sharing! Now I know why some medical practitioners are doing the best they can to save their livelihood, sickness business. I would like to share also a saying that "The mind is like a parachute, it is best when it is open"  :D

Sure! I think I could answer your thousand-fold questions, hope you could answer mine as well.

* you presented the number of adr's (adverse reactions)only of what particular drug? can you please be specific.. (lets say if its an antineoplastic, analgesic, or cardiovascular drug. which one?)
- I would like to. I presented an abstract of this research to give you an idea that adverse reactions are worth researching and can't be overlooked. I'll look for more detailed research.

* You didnt even cared to mention the number of lives or symptoms these drugs already saved or alleviated for the same period (1998-2005)
-because the research is entitled "incidence of adverse drug reactions in hospitalized patients: a meta-analysis of prospective studies", it would be out of its scope and delimitation.

* My friend while it may be true that these drugs presented adr's there had been millions or even billions treated by the mainstream medicines you are referring to.
- Could you give me a scienifc basis or proofs, such as research, that these mainstream medicines had actually cured millions or billions?

*YOu should come up with a statistics about the benefits of the drugs you are referring first and from there, you do the comparative study. Only then you can draw conclusions.
- It seems you did not also do a comparative study as well, that's why you are also asking me to do it for you. Thus, you have not concluded that these "mainstream medicines had actually cured millions or billions".

* Remember for each drug the benefit should outweigh the risk. So lets say if a cancer patient had these adr's in order to save his life, so be it. The ultimate goal is TO save LIFE.
- The risks of medicines despite proper usage can also be fatal. I have a different ultimate goal that is TO save LIFE with LEAST SIDE EFFECTS.

* Im sure before a patient receives his/her medicine it is sop that there should be an informed consent.
- That's the ideal. Im not sure about that in current practice.

*At the end of the day, statistically there are still more people treated with cancer today than in the old times wherein having a cancer means a death sentence already.
- Yet there are still patients who died in their treatment of cancer using chemotherapy and radiation. (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/11/13/2418640.htm). Chemotherapy, surgery and radiation did not stop cancer or else cancer would not be in the leading cause of deaths. (http://www.doh.gov.ph/node/1489). Thus we should not stop researching, exploring and studying alternative ways in curing cancer. Doctors can suggest or prescribed their treatment, however if the patient is capable, he or she should be the one to decide the treatment of his or her choice and whether to continue them or not. Because no one is more liable to his health, than himself.

*you mentioned only one case of uti which you "treated" with alkaline water, and you draw your conclusion from that one case?? where's the objectivity in that?
- Please read again the third paragraph of my previous post. I said, "But what convinced me is when i witnessed the curing effects of alkaline water to the people who drank alkaline water. One of the many incidents is a lady with a severe case of Uti,." I was convinced because of the various testimonies of the curative effects of alkaline water, in which most of them I became a witness. I indicated one of them.

* about the bubonic plaque, it is now sporadic as you noticed it is confined only to "undeveloped" places which means that science barely reached these places yet.
- Since it came from you that bubonic plague is sporadic you have refuted your own statement "Heard of bubonic plague that wiped out 1/3 of the population of europe before? now its completely eradicated"

*Understandably you cannot see it in developed countries where science flourished into a full bloom.
- The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reports that there are 10 to 15 cases of bubonic plague in the United States each year. - U.S. is a developed country where science flourished into a full bloom, however U.S. CDC CAN see that there are still cases of bubonic plague in their area.

* My point is without modern medicine how many more people could have died in that era? without these vaccines such as polio, bcg, tetanus, measles, rubella, influenza, how many percent of population could have further succumbed to once 'incurable' diseases?  
- In 1990, the Journal of the American Medical Association had an article on measles which stated " Although more than 95% of school-aged children in the US are vaccinated against measles, large measles outbreaks continue to occur in schools and most cases in this setting occur among previously vaccinated children." (JAMA, 21/11/90) (http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web2.html)

* Nowadays Can you just treat it with alkaline water?
- Why not? It would be much better if it is accompanied with good nutrition, living in a safe environment, and change into a better lifestyle.

 * as regards "doctors error" the term iatrogenic is so broad can you be specific with it? and how in earth could infections in hospital be attributed to doctor's error. Its not like the doctor himself intentionally infected this patients. Imo its beyond doctors' control
- iatrogenic is induced inadvertently by a physician or surgeon or by medical treatment or diagnostic procedures (Merriam-Webster). True, doctors did not intend to infect their patients, unintentionally they did. But, I want you to notice the 106,000 deaths per year caused by non-error, negative effects of drugs. These drugs were safely given to the right patients, yet it caused a great number of deaths.

* and so..these so-called mainstream medicines in the market have been around for some time already so continuous research was done in order to ensure the safety of the ones using it and also to continuously improve the product. Yes these researches could be expensive but no amount of money could equal the importance of saving lives especially if it is our loved ones.
-True, no amount of money could equal the importance of saving lives especially our loved ones. But the problem is there are people who has insufficient funds for drugs and treatment despite their insurmountabe desire to save their loved ones' lives. One of my goals is to find more cost-effective treatment in curing diseases. That's one of the reasons why I'm planning to pursue alternative medicine.

*At least these mainstream medicines were subjected to the most rigid experiments and studies imaginable to man. That's why they came out with these ADR's which was also incidentally mostly reported by doctors, nurses and scientists because HoneSTY matters in their business.
- The problem is when you study a symptom of a patient, is it caused by the course of the disease or the ADRs of synthetic drugs. Since honesty matters in their business, are they honest enough to to tell their patients the side effects of each drug they prescribed? Are they honest enough to tell the relatives of a deceased patient that he might have died from the drugs they prescribed or administered? Are they honest enough to tell the actual cure, telling them not to undergo unneccessary diagnostic exams, nor prescribing unnecessary drugs in which side effects generates income for the health professionals?

*Now going back to alkaline water. We understand that this is a relatively new product so there's not much research  done yet as regards this. YOu yourslef can do  a study its not that expensive even college students can do it. YOu can even have sponsors like the dost and bfad. Then you can release some journals revealing the results of your study and be accepted in the maistream. Who knows, in the course of your study you may stumble upon some adr's of alkaline water and try to improve your product (ADR's are discovered in years of using a product). That way, you will appear as legit and business will flourish.
- I do plan to conduct a research about alkaline water. A research was already made by a group of medicine students from a college in Pampanga according to an acquaintance of mine. They compared different alternative methods in curing cancer, and they've found out that alkaline water is the most effective. Patients showed no typical chemotherapeutic side effects, while undergoing alkaline treatment. I'm trying to get a contact from them to get a copy of their research. I know a person who has not only been drinking alkaline water, but living an alkaline lifestyle. Since 1986, he was never admitted in the hospital, nor consulted a doctor, nor took any synthetic drug. According to him, side effects of alkaline water is becoming a healthier and happier person.

*My whole point is, before we do this to human beings, can we at least do it first to the guinea pigs and rats?
- People who are promoting this alkaline water are those who have experienced the health benefits. Since they were cured, they wanted to share the information of alkaline water to their friends and relatives who are undergoing the same condition or worse. The alkaline water I've been using has already been approved by FDA. So it is guinea pig and rat-friendly :)
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Post by: dinaren on Nov 10, 2009, 11:09 PM
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: yeshadette21 on Oct 21, 2010, 04:23 PM
The pH level or the acid - alkaline measurement of our internal fluids affects every cell in our bodies. These will just show how important the role of alkaline in our body. Generally speaking, our proper health starts with the correct acid-alkaline balance in your body.
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: tops5450 on Oct 21, 2010, 08:36 PM
Other sources of vegetables that are rich in alkaline are a good substitute for a pricey alkaline water :b_peace:
Title: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: kevinjones on Oct 25, 2010, 05:27 PM
There has been much discussion over the past few years about the quality of the water we drink and the effects that this may have on our health. Alkaline water also is said to be better at hydrating the body because it penetrates cells more effectively.
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: dinaren on Oct 25, 2010, 07:31 PM
Alkaline water also is said to be better at hydrating the body because it penetrates cells more effectively.

oh really? how is that so?

and again what is the difference in eating cheaper vegetables and fruits from drinking "pricey" alkaline water?
Title: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: tops5450 on Oct 25, 2010, 08:20 PM
. Alkaline water also is said to be better at hydrating the body because it penetrates cells more effectively.

Is this not a placebo effect :book:
Title: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: princefox3 on Oct 27, 2010, 11:54 PM

There are no health benefits to drinking water that is slightly alkaline or acidic. The concept of your body being too alkaline or acidic is based on poor knowledge of basic homeostasis and physiology.
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: dioj on Oct 30, 2010, 03:31 PM
Other sources of vegetables that are rich in alkaline are a good substitute for a pricey alkaline water :b_peace:
what are those vegetables?
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: chasper08 on Jan 19, 2012, 01:52 PM
alkaline water and acidic water in our body shud be balance para iwas sakit, pag alam mo puro acidic food ang kinakain mo at acidic water iniinom mo, thats the time u shud drink plenty of alkaline water to neutralize high acid level in our body.
Title: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: mangben on Feb 08, 2015, 02:01 PM
Just stumble on this topic that I started 3 years ago... and it was really educational.. ang mga responses ng mga nag-post dito. :applause: :cool2:
You must read from the first input/post kung ano ang mga observations and enlightening responses nila to deeply understand them.
Would anybody like to share your views or experiences?... Post mo na dito para mas masaya
Title: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: juvyjagunap on Feb 26, 2015, 04:33 PM
alkaline water help our body cell by penetrating acid, and better to drink 8 to 10 glass of water everyday
Title: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: Jayumaster on Feb 27, 2015, 12:37 PM
Sa mga nagtitipid, ibabad sa tubig ang okra overnight tapos inumin the next morning. Alkaline na!

Sa mga kuripot talaga, pwede ring 1 part sosa sa 20 parts water para tipid. Alkaling nga! :yoohoo:
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: bauer on Feb 27, 2015, 02:37 PM
Basically, all drinking water should be pH neutral to slightly alkaline.

Any claims on alkaline water's special benefits are just marketing ploy to purchase their products which is NOT DIFFERENT to other drinking water available in the market.  Ignorance is costly sometimes.
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: icarusjun on Jan 04, 2016, 11:14 AM
instead of alkaline water... buy BRAGG's APPLE CIDER VINEGAR, put one tsp. to a glass of water... much better...
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: Reimaru on Jan 04, 2016, 06:24 PM
instead of alkaline water... buy BRAGG's APPLE CIDER VINEGAR, put one tsp. to a glass of water... much better...

Agreed. Laging out-of-stock nga lang Bragg's.
Yung ibang brand naman pasteurized at filtered so mas-kaunti yung mga enzymes (long-chain molecules yun na madaling masira sa init). May ibang brand akong napansin na mukhang ok din, pero di ko maalala.

Anyway, try na rin yung vegetable water, lemon water, etc.
Title: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: wilch23 on Mar 08, 2016, 03:29 PM
Dba the human body is more acidic than alkaline?
I believe the acidity helps to kill some germs.
So why alkaline water?
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: Maria777 on May 24, 2016, 08:59 PM
This article is very useful...

The “alkaline” in alkaline water refers to its pH level. The pH level is a number that measures how acidic or alkaline a substance is on a scale of 0-14. For example, something with a pH of 1 would be very acidic, and something with a pH of 13 would be very alkaline.

Alkaline water has a higher pH level than regular drinking water. Because of this, some advocates of alkaline water believe it can neutralize the acid in your body. Normal drinking water is generally a neutral pH of 7. Alkaline water generally has a pH of 8 or 9.

Natural or Artificial?
Water that is naturally alkaline occurs when water passes over rocks – like springs – and picks up minerals, which increase its alkaline level. There are companies that sell products, like ionizers, that claim to make water alkaline through a chemical process called electrolysis. Makers of ionizers say electricity is used to separate molecules in the water that are more acidic or more alkaline. Although some doctors and researchers say these claims are not backed quality research.

A study published by the World Health Organization cautions against drinking low-mineral content water on a regular basis.

Where Do You Get It?
Alkaline water can be bought in many grocery or health food stores. Water ionizers are sold in many large chain stores as well.

You can also make your own at home. Even though lemon and lime juice is acidic, they contain minerals that can change the composition of water. Adding a squeeze of lemon or lime to a glass of water can make your water more alkaline. Adding pH drops is another way to make water more alkaline. It’s important to use distilled water when making alkaline water because tap water or bottled water may have other additives.

Does It Really Work?
Alkaline water is a somewhat controversial topic. Many health professionals argue against its use, saying there isn’t enough research to support the many health claims made by users and sellers. According to Mayo Clinic, regular water is best for most people as there is no scientific evidence that fully verifies the claims made by alkaline water proponents.

However, there are a few studies that suggest alkaline water might be helpful for certain conditions. For example, a 2012 study found that drinking alkaline water with a pH of 8.8 can help deactivate pepsin, which is the main enzyme that causes acid reflux. Another study suggested that drinking alkaline water may have benefits for people who suffer from high blood pressure, diabetes, and high cholesterol.

Is It Safe?
The issue that many health professionals have with alkaline water is not its safety, but rather the health claims that are made about it.

There is not enough scientific evidence to support the use of alkaline water as a treatment for any health condition. Medical experts warn against believing all the marketing claims.

Drinking natural alkaline water is generally considered safe, since it contains natural minerals. However, you should use caution with artificial alkaline water, which likely contains fewer minerals necessary for good health than its high pH would have you believe, and overuse may leave you deficient.
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: wilch23 on May 25, 2016, 08:46 AM
For most people, alkaline water would be a waste of money.
Mas ok siguro just drink water from a variety of sources para balance by diversity.

Huwag lang DISTILLED water unless no choice.
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: cruzmervin217 on Nov 02, 2016, 06:01 PM
Some have more acid secretions in their stomach. To reduce it you take antacids like soda-mint, creamalin maalox etc. as the need arises. For severe cases, you take generic omeprazole or proton-inhibitors. For mild attacks take dompheridon  30 mins before meals. Better ask your doctor to confirm what I recommend.

Do not take vinegars, alcohol, spicy foods and then you do not need any alkaline/antacid boosters.

Do not spend your hard earned money on a scam like alkaline water machine. You have to pay thousands for the chemical cartridge lasting only a few months. From what I learn these cartridge element is just over-loaded with inexpensive antacids to turn plain tap water slightly alkaline.

very insightful. baka nga mas mura pa na magpaconsult ka nalang din sa doctor mismo and get guidance on your diet para macorrect yung acidity.
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: MaryannHall on Jan 27, 2018, 01:09 PM
Interesting post.
Title: Re: Re: Benefits of alkaline water
Post by: Spellstalker on Jun 09, 2019, 10:23 PM
Water is beneficial for our overall health, which is why the experts recommend 8 glasses of water per day. We should take water that is neutral to slightly alkaline, but that doesn't mean that alkaline water is the best. Sometimes ignorance is a very dangerous disease because someone simply markets alkaline water and you go buying their brand thinking you'll live forever, water is water, so long as it is pure