[neo]

I think the above verse does not suggest FIRST DAY of the week observance. It does not even suggest of a church gathering. It suggest more of an INDIVIDUAL gathering and preparation of offering "each one of you set aside...saving it up", so that when Paul will come anytime, everybody is ready to give.

It think supporting verse lang po yan nung sumunod na verse cited by Decapolis. Actually maganda po yung line up ni Decapolis nung dalawang verses pero di lang maganda yung version na pinagkuhanan.

1Co 16:2  Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

Sa original Greek po, ang ibig sabihin nito ay parang itipon sa treasury. Kaya po kung mapapasin nyo po sa last statement

that there be no gatherings when I come

upang huwag nang gumawa ng mga ambagan sa pagpariyan ko

Pagdating po ni San Pablo, wala nang ambagan kasi yung na-collect, ibibigay na lang po.

Nagpapakita po yung dalawang verse na nangkakatipon sila every first day of the day to break the bread and during that day, they also do their collection.

[decapolis]

nasanay kasi akong puro NIV

[neo]

nasanay kasi akong puro NIV

Ok lang po yun. 

[rds]

It think supporting verse lang po yan nung sumunod na verse cited by Decapolis. Actually maganda po yung line up ni Decapolis nung dalawang verses pero di lang maganda yung version na pinagkuhanan.

HERE ARE THE OTHER VERSIONS:

2 Every Sunday each of you must put aside some money, in proportion to what you have earned, and save it up, so that there will be no need to collect money when I come. (Good News Translation)

2 On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside and store it up, as he may prosper, so that there will be no collecting when I come. (English Standard Vesrion)

2 On the first day of the week, let every one of you put apart with himself, laying up what it shall well please him: that when I come, the collections be not then to be made. (Douay-Rheims)

2 On the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come. (New American Standard)

All the verses mentions "each of you", "by himself", "with himself"; and more importantly, I have not read anything mentioned about "WORSHIP OBSERVANCE".

Nagpapakita po yung dalawang verse na nangkakatipon sila every first day of the day to break the bread and during that day, they also do their collection.

We'll check @decapolis other verses later this evening...work muna...

[neo]

All the verses mentions "each of you", "by himself", "with himself"; and more importantly, I have not read anything mentioned about "WORSHIP OBSERVANCE".

Wala nga pong worship observance na mentioned diyan kaya nga po ang sabi ko--

It think supporting verse lang po yan nung sumunod na verse cited by Decapolis.

Tapos, in-elaborate ko po sa dulo--

Nagpapakita po yung dalawang verse na nangkakatipon sila every first day of the day to break the bread and during that day, they also do their collection.

Sa mga versions po, ang sabi, put aside and save. Saan po i-pu-put aside and save? Sa kani-kaniyang strorage po ba? Kung sari-sariling storage po, bakit po sinasabing--

so that no collections be made when I come

Halimbawa po may 500 members, lahat sila nag save sa kani-kanilang bahay, paano po maibibigay kay San Pablo yun kung hindi kokolektahin?

[bloomerman]

Matanong ko lang sa mga may alam, bakit ba ang daming version ng Bible? Bakit ang Quran ng Islam iisang Version lang... ? I am just curious..

[kithe]

Why Are There Different Versions Of The Bible?

When people hear there are over 50 different versions of the Bible in English alone, they often think to themselves, "No wonder there are many denominations each teaching different things, there are many different versions of the Bible." This view, however, is wrong. Yes there are many denominations, but don't blame that on the fact there are many versions of the Bible. There is one Bible.

First we need to understand what we mean by a "version". A better word than "version" is "translation". The Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew and the New Testament in Greek. If every man could read Hebrew and Greek, then we would have no need for an "English version". Most people can't read Greek, "It's all Greek to me"! We must rely, therefore, upon men who are fully fluent in English and Greek. These "scholars" read the original Greek Bible and come up with an English equivalent. This process is called translation. We have all seen a foreign diplomat give a news conference through the help of a translator. One translator may choose different words or sentences, but the message is identical. Translation is a reliable science of communicating between different languages. Remember, it was God Himself who created all the language barriers in Genesis 11 at the Tower of Babel. God is satisfied that His inspired word can be maintained although translated into over 200 languages.

Translation of the Greek New Testament is a very precise science. The New American Standard Bible, for example, was translated over 10 years, by over 45 scholars and was first published in 1962 AD. Similar painstaking work was applied to the production of the New International (1978 AD), and King James (1611AD) and the New King James (1982AD). These translations and others like them were the products of many years of work from scholars from many denominations.

Each translation has its own strengths and weaknesses. The King James Version (KJV) is excellent, but you must use a dictionary as you read because it uses language typical of the time it was translated (1611). I recommend you purchase a more recent translation. The New American Standard Version (NASV) is believed by many to be one of the most accurate translations and is an excellent study Bible. The American Standard Version (ASV) is also excellent and highy accurate. The New King James Version (NKJV) is high on the recommended list. The New International Version (NIV) tries to make the text as easy to understand as possible and is an excellent reading Bible, but not a good study Bible. The New World Translation (1950, the Jehovah's Witnesses Bible) should be avoided because its is actually corrupt, being a sectarian paraphrase rather than a true translation of the Holy Scriptures.

Although the exact choice of words or sentence structure is different in each translation, the meaning is identical. Take the words of Jesus in Mark 16:16 from three "versions" as an example; NIV: "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved". KJV: "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved". NAS: "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved" Different words and sentences but the meaning is identical. To blame religious division on the fact there are different Bible versions, therefore, is incorrect. The view that each translation of the Bible conveys a different message is also incorrect. There is only one Bible message that has been translated into hundreds of different languages.

"IS THE BIBLE ACCURATE?"

In a conversation with a man at Walmart, a statement was made as well as a question asked: "The Bible was taken from hand written copies, much of which are only fragments. How can we trust that what we have is accurate?"

Because there are over 14,000 manuscript copies of the New Testament we can absolutely be confident of its accuracy. With this large number of manuscripts, comparing manuscripts easily reveals any place where a scribe has made an error or where there is a variation. There are approximately 150,000 variations in the manuscripts we have today. However, these variations represent only 10,000 places in the New Testament (if the same word was misspelled in 3,000 manuscripts, that is counted as 3,000 variations.) Of these 10,000 places, all but 400 are questions of spelling in accord with accepted usage, grammatical construction, or order of words. Of the remaining variations, only 50 are of significance (such as two manuscripts leaving out Acts 2:37). But of these 50, not one alters even one article of faith which cannot be abundantly sustained by other undoubted passages.

There are some manuscripts that date as early as 130 AD, very close to the completion of the New Testament. These manuscripts are nearly identical to those dating 900 years later, thus verifying the accuracy of the scribes.

Besides this, Jesus promised that His words would not pass away. (Mat 24:35) .. "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."

[bloomerman]

Why Are There Different Versions Of The Bible?

When people hear there are over 50 different versions of the Bible in English alone, they often think to themselves, "No wonder there are many denominations each teaching different things, there are many different versions of the Bible." This view, however, is wrong. Yes there are many denominations, but don't blame that on the fact there are many versions of the Bible. There is one Bible.

First we need to understand what we mean by a "version". A better word than "version" is "translation". The Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew and the New Testament in Greek. If every man could read Hebrew and Greek, then we would have no need for an "English version". Most people can't read Greek, "It's all Greek to me"! We must rely, therefore, upon men who are fully fluent in English and Greek. These "scholars" read the original Greek Bible and come up with an English equivalent. This process is called translation. We have all seen a foreign diplomat give a news conference through the help of a translator. One translator may choose different words or sentences, but the message is identical. Translation is a reliable science of communicating between different languages. Remember, it was God Himself who created all the language barriers in Genesis 11 at the Tower of Babel. God is satisfied that His inspired word can be maintained although translated into over 200 languages.

Translation of the Greek New Testament is a very precise science. The New American Standard Bible, for example, was translated over 10 years, by over 45 scholars and was first published in 1962 AD. Similar painstaking work was applied to the production of the New International (1978 AD), and King James (1611AD) and the New King James (1982AD). These translations and others like them were the products of many years of work from scholars from many denominations.

Each translation has its own strengths and weaknesses. The King James Version (KJV) is excellent, but you must use a dictionary as you read because it uses language typical of the time it was translated (1611). I recommend you purchase a more recent translation. The New American Standard Version (NASV) is believed by many to be one of the most accurate translations and is an excellent study Bible. The American Standard Version (ASV) is also excellent and highy accurate. The New King James Version (NKJV) is high on the recommended list. The New International Version (NIV) tries to make the text as easy to understand as possible and is an excellent reading Bible, but not a good study Bible. The New World Translation (1950, the Jehovah's Witnesses Bible) should be avoided because its is actually corrupt, being a sectarian paraphrase rather than a true translation of the Holy Scriptures.

Although the exact choice of words or sentence structure is different in each translation, the meaning is identical. Take the words of Jesus in Mark 16:16 from three "versions" as an example; NIV: "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved". KJV: "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved". NAS: "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved" Different words and sentences but the meaning is identical. To blame religious division on the fact there are different Bible versions, therefore, is incorrect. The view that each translation of the Bible conveys a different message is also incorrect. There is only one Bible message that has been translated into hundreds of different languages.

"IS THE BIBLE ACCURATE?"

In a conversation with a man at Walmart, a statement was made as well as a question asked: "The Bible was taken from hand written copies, much of which are only fragments. How can we trust that what we have is accurate?"

Because there are over 14,000 manuscript copies of the New Testament we can absolutely be confident of its accuracy. With this large number of manuscripts, comparing manuscripts easily reveals any place where a scribe has made an error or where there is a variation. There are approximately 150,000 variations in the manuscripts we have today. However, these variations represent only 10,000 places in the New Testament (if the same word was misspelled in 3,000 manuscripts, that is counted as 3,000 variations.) Of these 10,000 places, all but 400 are questions of spelling in accord with accepted usage, grammatical construction, or order of words. Of the remaining variations, only 50 are of significance (such as two manuscripts leaving out Acts 2:37). But of these 50, not one alters even one article of faith which cannot be abundantly sustained by other undoubted passages.

There are some manuscripts that date as early as 130 AD, very close to the completion of the New Testament. These manuscripts are nearly identical to those dating 900 years later, thus verifying the accuracy of the scribes.

Besides this, Jesus promised that His words would not pass away. (Mat 24:35) .. "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."

Nosebleed!!! 

[rds]

Nagpapakita po yung dalawang verse na nangkakatipon sila every first day of the day to break the bread and during that day, they also do their collection.

Sa mga versions po, ang sabi, put aside and save. Saan po i-pu-put aside and save? Sa kani-kaniyang strorage po ba? Kung sari-sariling storage po, bakit po sinasabing--

so that no collections be made when I come

Eto pa po ang ibang version/translation, weigh every word according to conscience:

2 On the first day of every week let each of you put on one side and store up at his home whatever gain has been granted to him; so that whenever I come, there may then be no collections going on. (Weymouth New Testament)

2 On [the] first of [the] week let each of you put by at home, laying up [in] whatever [degree] he may have prospered, that there may be no collections when I come. (The Darby Translation)

2 one day of the week. Each of you keep at himself [Each of you keep, or lay up, at himself], keeping that that pleaseth to him(self), that when I come, the gatherings be not made. (Wycliffe Bible)

2 on every first [day] of the week, let each one of you lay by him, treasuring up whatever he may have prospered, that when I may come then collections may not be made; (Young’s Literal Translation)

2 On the first day of the week, each of you should set aside whatever you can afford from what you earn so that the collection won't be delayed until I come. (Common English Bible)

2 Every Sunday each of you should set aside some of your money and save it. Then money won't have to be collected when I come. (God’s Word Translation)

2 Every Sunday each of you must put aside some money, in proportion to what you have earned, and save it up, so that there will be no need to collect money when I come. (Good News Translation)

2 On the first day of every week, each one of you should put aside money as you have been blessed. Save it up so you will not have to collect money after I come. (New Century Version)

[neo]

Matanong ko lang sa mga may alam, bakit ba ang daming version ng Bible? Bakit ang Quran ng Islam iisang Version lang... ? I am just curious..

To cut the long story short, hehehe...Yung Qur'an po kasi ay nasusulat sa Arabic and was later written so madali po ang translation.

Yung mga books po kasi ng Bible was written in several language such as Hebrew, Greek at may Aramaic pa po ata (please correct me if I am wrong).

Sa Hebrew po at Greek, may mga terms po kasi na may multiple meaning.

Halimbawa po yung salitang "hedraioma" sa Greek. Ang translation po niyan is "support" or "foundation". Kung mapapansin nyo po, parang medyo malayo po yung dalawang translation. So, yung translator po will choose the preferred translation based on the context of the scripture.

When, in doubt po sa translation, mas mabuting i-consult po yung original text na ginamit para makasigurado.

Meron naman pong translator na nagkakamali sa translation or sadyang minamali dahil may vested interest.
Post Merge: Aug 08, 2012, 04:44 PM

Eto pa po ang ibang version/translation, weigh every word according to conscience:

2 On the first day of every week let each of you put on one side and store up at his home whatever gain has been granted to him; so that whenever I come, there may then be no collections going on. (Weymouth New Testament)

2 On [the] first of [the] week let each of you put by at home, laying up [in] whatever [degree] he may have prospered, that there may be no collections when I come. (The Darby Translation)

2 one day of the week. Each of you keep at himself [Each of you keep, or lay up, at himself], keeping that that pleaseth to him(self), that when I come, the gatherings be not made. (Wycliffe Bible)

2 on every first [day] of the week, let each one of you lay by him, treasuring up whatever he may have prospered, that when I may come then collections may not be made; (Young’s Literal Translation)

2 On the first day of the week, each of you should set aside whatever you can afford from what you earn so that the collection won't be delayed until I come. (Common English Bible)

2 Every Sunday each of you should set aside some of your money and save it. Then money won't have to be collected when I come. (God’s Word Translation)

2 Every Sunday each of you must put aside some money, in proportion to what you have earned, and save it up, so that there will be no need to collect money when I come. (Good News Translation)

2 On the first day of every week, each one of you should put aside money as you have been blessed. Save it up so you will not have to collect money after I come. (New Century Version)

Kung sa bahay nga po isa-save, bakit mawawalan na po ng collection?

[palailai]

sa pagkaka-alam ko ang qur'an ay mga english translation din. example yusuf ali at marmaduke pickthall english translation of koran.
Post Merge: Aug 08, 2012, 04:56 PMang bible na binabasa ko ay yung may nihil obstat at imprimatur lahat yan pirmado pero yung iba parang peke kasi walang nakapirma yung bible na ginawa nila...meaning di sila sigurado sa kanilang translation...

[rds]

Kung sa bahay nga po isa-save, bakit mawawalan na po ng collection?

Maybe this could help...

2 On the first day of the week, each of you should set aside whatever you can afford from what you earn so that the collection won't be delayed until I come. (Common English Bible)

2 On the first day of every week, each one of you should put aside money as you have been blessed. Save it up so you will not have to collect money after I come. (New Century Version)

IMO...It seems to me that the "collection", or "saving", or "gathering" of money here is more of an INDIVIDUAL "saving" or "storing-up". On the start of each week (Sunday - or more accurately Saturday evening since Bible's Sunday start with sunset Saturday upto Sunset Sunday) EACH ONE should already DETERMINE, SET ASIDE AND STORE how much would be his offering, so that when Paul comes, each one will need not anymore "save" for offering, because each one has already determined and "stored" something to give.

But, as I've earleir said, this does not support the "Sunday Sacredness and Worship Observance"...

[neo]

Maybe this could help...

2 On the first day of every week, each one of you should put aside money as you have been blessed. Save it up so you will not have to collect money after I come. (New Century Version)

Mali po yata ito. "...You will not have to collect..." Hindi po ba talaga namang hindi sila ang mangongolekta kasi sila nga kokolektahan?

But, as I've earleir said, this does not support the "Sunday Sacredness and Worship Observance"...

Opo naman; it does not support Sunday Sacredness but it really does concide with the verse given by Decapolis that Christians gather on Sunday to break the bread-- ang pagpuputol putol ng tinapay na ibinilin ng Kristo na gawin bilang pag-aalaala sa Kanya.
Post Merge: Aug 08, 2012, 07:43 PM

sa pagkaka-alam ko ang qur'an ay mga english translation din. example yusuf ali at marmaduke pickthall english translation of koran.
Post Merge: Aug 08, 2012, 04:56 PMang bible na binabasa ko ay yung may nihil obstat at imprimatur lahat yan pirmado pero yung iba parang peke kasi walang nakapirma yung bible na ginawa nila...meaning di sila sigurado sa kanilang translation...

Just because wala pong pirma, hindi po ibig sabihin peke na.

Yung nihil obstat at impramatur po ay nagpapakita lamang na yung specific bible version na yun ay officially used by the Catholic Church but it doesn't necessarily mean that its translation is accurate.

[rds]

Yeah, it's vague

How about the other one? About breaking of the bread?

That's all i can find lol, that's all that i can share sorry

Acts 20:7 "On the FIRST DAY of the week we came together to break bread".

Consider carefully the following points:

1. The first "breaking of bread" administered by Jesus himself was done on THURSDAY evening (the night before He was crucified) which Catholics call now "Holy Thursday". So it is not necessarily be on holy sabbath day.

2. Early Christians observe it every so often, and has nothing to do with Holy Day worship.  Acts 2:46 “So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart”. Catholics have their communion service everyday. Modern Christian denominations observe it not necessarily on Sabbath Day or Sunday.

3. The above text (Acts 20:7), happened NOT on SUNDAY service, IT HAPPENED on SATURDAY EVENING. Remember that Jews’ day start from sunset to sunset. So when it was mentioned “on the first day of the week” he was referring to Saturday Evening. Check the complete verse below.

Acts 20:7 - On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight. (New International Version).

The reason why they have this gathering is Paul intends to leave the next morning, that’s why “he kept talking until midnight”.

And NOTICE THIS – Paul intends to LEAVE the following morning (which is SUNDAY MORNING), so Paul does not honor Sunday observance, or else he would have stayed with them the next morning to observe Sunday worship as a holy day, and not have his journey on same day (Sunday).

[AMARANTH]

11 Things The Bible Bans, But You Do Anyways!


For those who are Christian, are you truly following the word of the Lord?




1. Round haircuts. See you in Hell, Beatles... and/or kids with bowl cuts, surfer cuts or (my favorite) butt cuts. Leviticus 19:27 reads "You shall not round off the side-growth of your heads nor harm the edges of your beard."


2. Football. At least, the pure version of football, where you play with a pigskin. The modern synthetic footballs are ugly and slippery anyways. Leviticus 11:8, which is discussing pigs, reads "You shall not eat of their flesh nor touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you."And you're doubly breaking that if you wake up, eat some sausage then go throw around the football. Or go to the county fair and enter a greased pig catching contest.


3. Fortune telling. Before you call a 900 number (do people still call 900 numbers, by the way?), read your horoscope or crack open a fortune cookie, realize you're in huge trouble if you do.

Leviticus 19:31 reads "Do not turn to mediums or spiritists; do not seek them out to be defiled by them. I am the Lord your God." The penalty for that? Check Leviticus 20:6: "As for the person who turns to mediums and to spiritists, to play the harlot after them, I will also set My face against that person and will cut him off from among his people."Seems like a lifetime of exile is a pretty harsh penalty for talking to Zoltar.


4. Pulling out.The Bible doesn't get too much into birth control... it's clearly pro-populating but, back when it was written, no one really anticipated the condom or the sponge, so those don't get specific bans. But... pulling out does. One of the most famous sexual-oriented Bible verses... the one that's used as anti-masturbation rhetoric... is actually anti-pulling out.

It's Genesis 38:9-10: "Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother's wife, he wasted his seed on the ground in order not to give offspring to his brother. But what he did was displeasing in the sight of the Lord; so He took his life also."Yep -- pull out and get smote. That's harsh. Banned.

religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as every government


5. Tattoos. No tattoos. Leviticus 19:28 reads, "You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves: I am the Lord."Not even a little butterfly on your ankle. Or Thug Life across your abdomen. Or even, fittingly enough, a cross.


6. Polyester, or any other fabric blends. The Bible doesn't want you to wear polyester. Not just because it looks cheap. It's sinfully unnatural.

Leviticus 19:19 reads, "You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together."Check the tag on your shirt right now. Didn't realize you were mid-sin at this exact second, did you? (Unless you checked the tag by rolling off your neighbor's wife while you two were having anal sex in the middle of robbing a blind guy. Then your Lycra-spandex blend is really the least of your problems.)


7. Divorce. The Bible is very clear on this one: No divorcing. You can't do it. Because when you marry someone, according to Mark 10:8, you "are no longer two, but one flesh." And, Mark 10:9 reads, "What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate."Mark gets even more hardcore about it a few verses later, in Mark 10:11-12, "And He said to them, 'Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her; and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery.'"


8. Letting people without testicles into church. Whether you've been castrated or lost one or two balls to cancer isn't important. The Bible doesn't get that specific. It just says you can't pray.

Deuteronomy 23:1 reads (this is the God's Word translation, which spells it out better), "A man whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off may never join the assembly of the Lord.

"Oh, and the next verse says that if you're a bastard, the child of a bastard... or even have a great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchild of a bastard, you can't come to church or synagogue either. Deuteronomy 23:2 reads, "No one of illegitimate birth shall enter the assembly of the Lord; none of his descendants, even to the tenth generation, shall enter the assembly of the Lord."


9. Wearing gold. 1 Timothy 2:9 doesn't like your gold necklace at all. Or your pearl necklace. Or any clothes you're wearing that you didn't get from Forever 21, Old Navy or H&M.

"Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments." All banned.


10. Shellfish.Leviticus 11:10 reads, "But whatever is in the seas and in the rivers that does not have fins and scales among all the teeming life of the water, and among all the living creatures that are in the water, they are detestable things to you." And shellfish is right in that wheelhouse. Leviticus 11 bans a TON of animals from being eaten (it's THE basis for Kosher law); beyond shellfish and pig, it also says you can't eat camel, rock badger, rabbit, eagle, vulture, buzzard, falcon, raven, crow, ostrich, owl, seagull, hawk, pelican, stork, heron, bat, winged insects that walk on four legs unless they have joints to jump with like grasshoppers, bear, mole, mouse, lizard, gecko, crocodile, chameleon and snail.

Sorry if that totally ruins your plans to go to a rock badger eat-off this weekend.


11. Your wife defending your life in a fight by grabbing your attacker's genitals. No joke. Deuteronomy actually devotes two verses to this exact scenario: Deuteronomy 25:11-12."If two men, a man and his countryman, are struggling together, and the wife of one comes near to deliver her husband from the hand of the one who is striking him, and puts out her hand and seizes his genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; you shall not show pity."That's impossible to misinterpret. Ladies, if your husband is getting mugged, make sure to kick the mugger in the pills. Do not do the grip and squeeze (no matter what "Miss Congeniality" might advise). Or your hand needs to be cut off.