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Author Topic: Would You Accept P5M and allow your mother’s death be A Day earlier?  (Read 3453 times)

Offline vicces

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Let’s say you know for certain that your mother will die tomorrow. The angel of death or whichever evil creature you can think of, bribes you with P5 million if you will allow her death to happen a day earlier or 24 hours ahead of its schedule.  Take note, its not like you’re getting her killed by accepting the money, because she is destined to die anyway you’re just giving your permission to make it a day or 24-hours earlier. But then… shes your mom, right?! Moral dilemma.

additional conditions: you cant ask for advice from anyone (not even your mom herself), and no one will ever find out of this deal.

So, deal or no deal?

is your answer negotiable (ie., you will accept if its P50M, or if its just 12 hours earlier, or just a sibling)?

Look at it from whatever angle: a rational economic man’s perspective, or from your religious beliefs, or from a financially learned person, or just based on your personal moral values.

Explain your answers please, with charts, if necessary. LOLN.
« Last Edit: Nov 10, 2011, 08:50 PM by vicces »
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technical charts? :D

kailangan pa ba pagisipan yan?
of course, babu dun sa 5M.
ang pera kinikita yan. ang nanay, hindi.
What would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail? - Robert Schuller Don't limit your challenges - challenge your limits.

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this very unrealistic....

although i "may" not want it, but my mother would surely take the deal.

and if i were the mother, i will convince my son/daughter to take the deal. i would sacrifice my one day life for a year(s) of my children living with such an amount...

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Sir rds,
ang tanong jan, magiging maayos ba ang paghawak ng anak mo dun sa pera?
kung hindi, masasayang lang yung sakripisyo mo.
What would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail? - Robert Schuller Don't limit your challenges - challenge your limits.

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^kung maging maayos ba? yan ay di ko masasagot dahil nga sa kondisyon na ibinigay - ay wala na ako nun sa mundo.

but...that question and that risk will always be there whether we have sacrificed much, less or everything to our children. the answer lies on their hands.

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no deal definitely. masyadong madali ang tanong @vicces.

you should have included a catch like, if you don't take up the deal, kamatayan will take your life instead. now that would be a more challenging decision to make  :watchuthink:

or you will wear your peepee on your forehead for the rest of your miserable life something to that effect hahaha

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Selling yourself to the devil for 5M? Baka kung sabihin pa ng devil na aayusin nya yung butas sa ozone layer, baka pa. or, pumayag si mother na kaluluwa  nya ang tatangayin ng demonyo :D

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^sinabi ba ng TS na "selling yourself to the devil"?

sinabi ba nyang once na pumayag ka sa deal ay your mother will not go heaven?

he said mapaaga lang ng 1 day ang kamatayan ng mother mo, the rest will be the same (her destiny, your destiny, etc.).

so if i were the mother, i can arrange for my children to take the deal and lessen my life not just for 1 day, but for 7 days minimum at a cost of 35M (7 days x 5M)...that's a lot of money for my kid's future, for a little sacrifice of 7 days. yung ibang parents nga, kahit alam na risky yung magtrabaho sa iraq, ginagawa pa din for that much only...

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@cjoy nope u r not selling urself. u just get P5M if u allow her death 1 day ahead. sabihin na nating busy si kamatayan bukas kaya gusto nya iadvance na ung pagsundo nya sa mudraks nyo... same lang kung ano ung ikakamatay nya bukas, araw lang talaga ang mababago.

@rds, im sure my mom would also convince me to take it... but lets say you cant ask any advice from anyone and no one shall ever find out of this deal... will ur answer be the same?

@bp22, its an easy question because...? is your answer negotiable (ie., if its 50 million? or if its just 12 hours earlier? or if its just your sibling)?

ok just a backgrounder... this was actually a bonus question from my economics 101 class many, many years ago. of course i have left out the other details of the hypothetical question. but essentially, its the rational vs emotional side of you that we are trying to measure/look into.

but since its an economics class, we knew that we are to apply the cost-benefit analysis and the rational economic man theory. guess what? 100% of the class answered, YES i will take the offer precisely because we all invoked the rational economic man, if benefit is greater than the cost, then from that man's perspective, its a good deal. in this case your only cost is -- the guilt that you will carry with you,but even that is diluted by the fact that its only a 24-hour difference before ur mom actually dies (you can always rationalise in that sense), and you have no way of preventing the death anyway so why refuse the offer? you can even go as far as saying, i will use the money to establish a foundation in my mom's name or something.

now if it was an ethics or religion or socio/psych class, then the best answer will be NO. there you may even say, i will even pay them P5M just to give me another day with my mom...awww....

i suppose its an easy question because we are pinoys, we are catholics, very emotional/dramatic bunch and close to our family. and based on the answers so far, it seems that we really cannot achieve that ideal state of being completely rational with our decisions, we will always follow our heart more than our mind.  the idea of losing a loved one is just too heartbreaking that we instinctively refuse any kind of "material consolation" because its "nakakahiya" or walang delicadesa or its a sumbat-worthy act.

i remembered this question quite well because the prof wrote in my blue book: "Good answer. but you know, sometimes its better to be honest than to be correct". but i still got the 5pts bonus, so there... :watchuthink:

if we changed/updated the facts this wise:

your mother's insurance will expire today no chance to renew -- wala ng coverage by the time she dies tomorrow. wouldnt you wish she died a day earlier?

« Last Edit: Nov 10, 2011, 08:54 PM by vicces »
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Ahhh. Walang drama. Go.

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it's easy for me cause i believe in all of my heart & mind that it's the right thing to do. to turn down the deal.

a 'lil backgrounder. my dad has been bedridden for the last 3 years. it's a chronic predicament so no chance for him to get better. around 2-3 months ago, every time i visited, He kept telling me that it's not worth it to live like that anymore, that i should do something to tell the doctor that he wants death. yes, gusto na niyang mamatay & it's tough seeing him like that. it took me a few days to know the right thing to say to him or at least say something positive. i even asked God wtf?!? all i can say i hang on, hang on pa...honestly i was quite speechless & gave him kisses on the cheek & the forehead. then just stayed there holding his hand, massaging it til he fell asleep.

the thought of it just floated on my head for the next 2 days. i feel helpless & hopeless that i can't do anything about it. then i visited again. this time knowing what to say. i said "pa, gusto mo na ba talagang mamatay? tango siya. i said" sige, i'll do it but only with one condition. he said "what's that?" that i will have to go with him, if he really wanted to go. i'll pull the plug & i'll kill myself it's that really what he wanted(syempre hindi ko naman gagawin mag-suicide). but something i said brings a lil smile on him & he told me that " anak, nagbibiro lang ako!" then said something like "my stupid son!" then i've reiterated that anytime he wants to go, just let me know, get someone to inform me & i'll accompany him to when he's ready to go again. He said "ayaw ko na." anyways, he has been long due for a check up eversince mid of this year & refuse of us taking him to the hospital. 3 days after that He asked my mom to tell me that He need to get to the hospital. we went in just last thurs & was disharged just 2 days ago.

ah meron pa pla ako na mentioned. i asked him he he remember when me & my brothers would take care of paying off his huge debts around 15 years ago. He said Yes. so sabi ko Pa, may utang kapa rin & hindi ka pwedeng mamatay ng hindi namin matatapos bayaran mga yun, ok? again, "Stupid son!" then he laugh after saying that.


ayan napahaba nanaman. actually doing the deed would be easy. all i have to do is pull the plug off his ventilator & he'll maybe choke to death in less than 5 mins. it's that easy. after the hospital, he's back to his normal self again, i mean emotionally. still worries about the welfare of his children, reminding me to not gamble in a casino, work hard & take good care of my own family, my health & continue to help others as much as we can. to value our time & money. succeed not for yourself but for others. basta madaldal na ulit which is good  :cool2:

Post Merge: Nov 10, 2011, 09:54 PM
& oh if the scenario is a bit different. say i'm earning only on minimum wage or is as poor as dirt & one of my kid needs required a surgery in the next 24 hours which will cost around Php5M. hmmm let me think for a while...yup my Dad's probably dead meat! :hihi:
« Last Edit: Nov 10, 2011, 09:54 PM by Bp22estafa »

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Pag true to life, di ko pagpapalit yun yun 1 day with any how much...

Pag test, aanswer ako ng sagot na pang taas ng grade ko hehehe...

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Sir Bp22,
F*ck... kala ko kung anong simpleng kwento lang
nakakainis ka naman. bat mo pa knwento yan. ayoko ng ganyang kwento e.

alam mo ba, nakikinig ako ng mp3 ngayon.
ang title "Watch over you" by Alterbridge... fave song ko ngayon.
pakinggan mo... related sa kwento mo. parang lalo tuloy gusto ko umiyak
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORS0SLk78rE

F*ck, ngayon ko lang nakita yang video na yan. nakakaiyak din. bwisit
« Last Edit: Nov 10, 2011, 10:02 PM by ferrariEverest »
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@ferrari...sinabi mo pa! kaya ko nililihis...mabigat tong thread na to a.....

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^ yung kay Sir vic parang trick question e.
e yung kay Bp22, totohanan na.

sinara ko na trade ko, nawala na concentration ko.


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alam nyo, takot ako sa ospital.
ayoko may nakikita or naririnig na taong may sakit. kaya nga health buff ako e. bukod pa sa gusto ko humaba buhay ko up to 100+ y.o.
nung na-dengue ako, 1st time ako naospital. halos 1week ako may lagnat kasi nga ayoko magpacheck-up. pero wala na ko choice, masama talaga pakiramdam ko, kaya pumayag na ko pumunta ng clinic. a few hours later, dinala nako sa ospital... wala na ko takas. awa ng Diyos, 3 days lang ako nun sa ospital.
« Last Edit: Nov 10, 2011, 10:11 PM by ferrariEverest »
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