[equities_engineer]

Here are some perspectives, let's see how would people react to these:

1. There mere fact that you said the word "God", means that "God" exists.
<of course, it follows that even Zeus, Odin, Allah, Yahweh, Kabunian, Satan, etc...  exists>
2. We are the only species capable of creating God, without us, God would not exist.
3. Things that can not be explained by the human mind uses the concept of "an Ultimate Being exists" as a scapegoat to maintain its sanity. <explains why paganism extremely respects nature>
4. All things were created by God, even things that are bad, including Satan.

So there...

[Archcavalier]

I knew a time when it was the atheist looking for a fight.
Now it mostly the Christians. And they would involve anything and everything into debate.

I also notice, mostly its the Christians who would invite people to join their religion.
I was reading the Cebu saint story(Forgot his name), No offence but, I find it really hard for Christians to understand the word leave me alone. When people don't want to join your religion, take a hint. Leave them alone.

I also notice they try their very best to force their ideology to everybody especially those hardliners.

Im Buddhist by the way.

[Deist]

@ Bp22estafa

For me, you are only referring to what you learn as a Christian, within your religion and what you learn in the scripture – for example, you do not know anything about the bible and you are innocent like a child, without knowing what is good and evil and you have a good heart, you can go to heaven.

That is what happened to Adam and Eve if literal interpreted in the bible. Adam and Eve in the first genesis are innocent childlike and they have a good heart until Satan came, and tempted Eve to eat an apple in a tree of knowledge.  They know what is good and evil because of what Eve did in the first genesis.

People learn what parents taught them since child about Jesus Christ. What will happen to them if for example a child was born into another religion?  What will happen to them if they grew up in a communist country without religion?  Example is communist China. Most of them are Buddhist [Atheist]. Are they going to hell?

God is not exclusive for Christian. A Universal God is for everyone who believes in him that whatever religion they have, as long as they have good heart, have true love within them, know how to love their neighbor as they love themselves, know how to forgive – they can go to heaven.

True love is the most important thing here on earth that is why even Atheists that never knew God since child, as long as they possess all those qualities, they can go to heaven.

Atheists’ people that seen light felt true love. It is different feeling than here on earth. Most of the experiences we encounter here on earth are mostly our “hellish life”.

When Jesus Christ died on the cross, he also teaches people about true love that all of us must follow his footstep [Allegorical Interpretation]. Even Mahatma Gandhi who teaches non-violence to save his country is another example of true love and so, it is difficult to judge Mahatma Gandhi that he is in hell just because he is not a Christian.

The bible is only our guide to have a good lifestyle and to enhance our spirit and soul.  This is another reason why a person who has high in spirit is better than a person who is very religious but has low in spirit. The bible is just only our guide.

I am not on the side of the Atheists. I just open my mind that God is not malevolent, because how can he be malevolent if he is true love? God is perfect – omnipresent and omniscient. God does not punish people. God has nothing to do with Satan either. Satan is only fear, hate, any negative vibration that causes us to sin. If we die full of hatred, we are the one who block the true love of God. We are the one who block the light. It leads us to sin because of our own action.

If some people think that Satan is powerful, then it is fine with me. I respect their beliefs, but for me, if they say Satan is powerful, it looks like they really do believe that there is literal Satan that conquers the world and they easily deceived by Satan. We really cannot blame some Atheists who keep asking about why God does not do anything with Satan, because some Atheists think that Satan is powerful than God.

Some near death experience people had also seen Jesus Christ, they seen hell and they also seen other entities – like in Hinduism – they have different Gods.

The bible is perfect. It just depends on how people interpret it.

Stealing is a sin. They need to survive. Fear of death.

Lying is a sin. Fear to hurt someone they love or fear of being abused from other people in the society, so they need to defend themselves.

There are many fears and phobias listed and we are one of them. No questions ask. We are sinner.

Buddhism is I think the only organization or religion [some says that it is a religion] which practice meditation to lessen the suffering we had in the society and it teaches on how to stop the fear within us. Christians do not practice any meditation, but they teach about a sin. Fear in Buddhism while sins in Christians.

Another is what is the use of faith in Jesus Christ if they do not know about how to love?

What is the use of faith in Jesus Christ if they have wicked heart.

I rather choose people who have a good heart like a child and knows love even if they are not Christians, than people who have faith in Jesus Chrst, worship Jesus Christ but do not know what is love all about. I mean they are just a follower of Jesus Christ and worship Jesus Christ without a heart.
Post Merge: Mar 17, 2012, 07:49 PM
Christians follow God's command, to seek and save those who are "lost".
To go, reach out to whoever including Atheists and preach the gospel to them and make them disciples. Yes, it doesn't happen overnight, it could take years, or even until their death bed before a person would repent...

God can enlighten people directly, but God also uses other Christians to encourage/enlighten others as well. Christians simply obey.

To ignore atheists or other unbelievers, is disobeying already.

So if Christians do not convert Atheists, does it mean Christians will go to hell? I would say the concept of God in Christians is malevolent. How could a loving God punish those Christians who disobey his laws and commandments?  God is like Ferdinand Marcos.  He is like a dictator.  It is as if we do not follow the rules, we go to jail. That is so harsh. I thought God is true love.

I am trying to say is respecting each other belief is much better because Atheists have their own beliefs. If Christians keep on insisting to change the beliefs of Atheists, the negative vibration felt by Christians like hatred, without peace and frustration would reflect in their spirits. There is a possibility that they would feel frustrated if they do not convert Atheists into Christians – it is a negative feeling.

To avoid this, just ignore them as much as possible and focus their relationship to God. As for me, God would not punish them just because Christians disobey his laws. He still looks at the heart on each people so even if Christians disobey his laws, he would not put them in hell because God has nothing to do with Hell or Satan. We are the only one who does the action. We are the one who block the light from God, which is true love. He knows their motives and intentions.

God has nothing to do with Satan that is why if something bad happen to them, they keep blaming to God. They thought God has to do with Satan. You know, God created Satan and Satan ruled the world, and tempted people here on earth and as a result, they keep blaming God because they keep asking about why God does not do anything with Satan.

It is so obvious why some people turn back to God and become Atheists because they thought God is malevolent and not good.

There are many atheists in other parts of the country. Some children are already born atheists, like those who live in a communist’s country who knows nothing about God. How they would convert all atheists in other countries if most of them do not have a religion since birth? There are so many of them. We have also more than hundreds of religion and sub religion all over the world, and it is so unfair if Christians are the only one who would go to heaven, and the rest would go to hell.

Says who? Any one been there and back here to confirm that?
NDE can just be a dream and not really a vision from God, or their imagination.
It is a personal experience, and hard to confirm if the message is true or deception.
Same thing not all "professing" Christians would go to heaven.
I agree. Only God is good. Only God is right. Only God is holy.

Says those people who already died and come back to life, and according to those people who witness, they confirm dead for 45 minutes or something more. Their heart beat stop during the operation and some events happened in the hospital. 

Also, some people that have different religion, different culture and different races that experience death and come back to life have the same encounter. They seen light, they seen hell, they seen Jesus Christ and they seen ‘life preview’.

My friend told me that her brother’s best friend had a car accident. He also seen a ‘life preview’ and after what happened to him, he became ‘born again Christian’ and not Catholic.

Saint Paul in the bible had also encountered NDE. The bible is true and perfect. It really depends on how people interpret the bible.

There is no inborn atheist. We were all born with a conscience, with innocence, with desire to know God, with eternity in our hearts. Kahit 5 yrs old pa lang ako nun, di pa ako nagsisimba, kahit inisip ko na Alien si God kasi alam ko hindi sya from Earth, alam ko nang may God... Children of communist countries were brain-washed.

When I was a kid, all I know is to play outside from home. I go to sleep without praying to God until my mom taught me to pray the rosary. Even though I pray the rosary, I still did not know anything about the rosary. I just follow what my mom told me and it did not occur to my mind about heaven and hell. Pray the rosary, she told me and she taught me how to pray the rosary, and she also gave me the cross with Jesus Christ on it, so every time I sleep, the cross is always beside me until I fall asleep, I still did not know what Jesus Christ is all about. I grew up. I learn about God because my mom taught me that Jesus Christ is a God. She is the one who taught me many things about Catholic faith, until I become religious Catholic and then, I become a deist.

I mean I still remember when I was a kid -- I always followed rules and obey my parents without questions ask. I also thought that all people here on earth are all Catholics… ha ha ha ha ha, because I grew up in a religious Catholic family without knowing what is in ‘the outside world’.

I do not know how old I am in that time, but my memory is still fresh. I am still trying hard to remember those things in the past. It is so difficult to remember those past when we were still kids because there are the times that we really cannot remember some of it unless we die and see our own ‘life’ – flashback.

I am so innocent at that time. When I was a kid, I thought this is heaven with no suffering. Ha ha ha...

[rexmadrigal]

the answer to why some prefers to be atheist is because of greed. We all want the best for us and pray for worldly gifts, and when we can't have it, that's the time that some will conclude that there is no God.Let's leave them as such.

As for me, I am happy to have God with me in my heart.

[mlangseth]

Too many misconceptions about atheism.

Meet us at the convention in Bayview on April 21st..the very first, history making convention in SouthEast Asia.. MR. Dan Barker, exEvangelist, ex pastor, CEO Of Freedom from Religion Foundation (USA) is our primary speaker...and 7 more speakers..

Do not let your ignorance and Faith blind you.
WE are normal human beings who want freedom from religion..
WE want equality and fairness in all aspects of life..that is why we are PATAS...www.patas.co

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ5QG3MUTtg&feature=share

Post Merge: Mar 19, 2012, 04:54 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Atheists_and_Agnostics_Society

[jenxent]

dahil kasi sa usaping pera,jan kadalasan nakakalabo-labo mula sa pamilya hanggang sa atong goberno pati sa mga simbahan kaya maraming division of churches in my opinion lang naman...

[stockbreaker]

the answer to why some prefers to be atheist is because of greed. We all want the best for us and pray for worldly gifts, and when we can't have it, that's the time that some will conclude that there is no God.Let's leave them as such.

As for me, I am happy to have God with me in my heart.

They (atheist) just can't accept the fact that human is not in control of everything... that there is someone up there who is control of everything.

[bauer]

They (atheist) just can't accept the fact that human is not in control of everything... that there is someone up there who is control of everything.

God does not control all human beings.  God gave man the gift of free will. it is being taught in catholic schools ever since.

[Market_Market]

Joke time!
From this post: http://www.financemanila.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1047&p=336446&hilit=Atheist#p336446

An atheist was walking through the woods one day in Alaska admiring all that evolution had created.

"What majestic trees !

What a powerful river !

What beautiful animals!" he said to himself.

As he walked alongside the river he heard a rustling in the bushes behind him. Turning to look, he saw a 13 foot Kodiak bear beginning to charge toward him. He ran as fast as he could down the path. He looked over his shoulder and saw that the bear was rapidly closing on him. Somehow he ran even faster, so scared that tears came to his eyes. He looked again and the bear was even closer. His heart pounding in his chest he tried to run even faster yet. But alas, he tripped and fell to the ground. As he rolled over to pick himself up he saw the bear reaching for him with his left paw and raising his right paw to deliver a killing blow.

"OH MY GOD !" he pleadingly screamed.

Time stopped.
The bear froze.
The forest was silent.
Even the powerful river stopped flowing.

A brilliant light shone upon the man and a thunderous voice came from all around,
"YOU DENY MY EXISTENCE FOR ALL THESE YEARS. YOU TEACH OTHERS THAT I DON'T EXIST. YOU EVEN CREDIT CREATION TO SOME COSMIC ACCIDENT. DO YOU EXPECT ME TO HELP YOU OUT OF THIS PREDICAMENT? AM I TO COUNT YOU AS A BELIEVER? "

Difficult as it was, the atheist looked directly into the light and said, "It would be hypocritical to ask to be a Christian after all these years and under these circumstances but perhaps you could make the bear a Christian? "

"VERY WELL" said the voice.

The light went out.
The river ran.
The sounds of the forest resumed.

The huge bear dropped down on his knees, brought both paws together, bowed and spoke............
"Lord, thank you for this food which I am about to receive."

[nobagger]

There is no inborn atheist. We were all born with a conscience, with innocence, with desire to know God, with eternity in our hearts. Kahit 5 yrs old pa lang ako nun, di pa ako nagsisimba, kahit inisip ko na Alien si God kasi alam ko hindi sya from Earth, alam ko nang may God... Children of communist countries were brain-washed.

Nung 5 years old ka pa lang, alam mo nang may God... pero based on what? Walang evidence di ba? Basta alam mo lang? Gut feelings mo lang kumbaga. Yan ang mahirap. Hindi porke "alam" mo na may God ay totong may God nga. Halimbawa, bigyan kita ng situasyon. Kunwari alam kong may God na mas mataas pa kay God based on my gut feeling, ibig sabihin ba ay totoo ito? Malamang hindi, di ba? Pero kung iisipin mo, posible yun, parang tao, merong chain of command. Eh bakit sa isang God lang mag-e-end? Malay mo may God pa si God di ba? Pero gut feeling lang yun ha, katulad sa iyo.

Sinabi mo, "Children of communist countries were brain-washed.". Eh naku mahirap yan pre, kasi yung vice versa could be said as well "Children of religious countries were brain-washed." Siyempre, sasabihin mo yung statement mo ang tama. Pero ang sasabihin naman ng nakatira sa communist country eh yung statement niya ang tama. Kung magpakita lang sana si God ngayon din ora mismo at wala nang paligoy ligoy pa at excuse katulad ng padaan-daan sa bibliyang mga tao lang din ang may akda (and hence still not a proof of his existence), eh di nalaman na sana natin kung aling statement ang mas tama.

[akoni]

Nung 5 years old ka pa lang, alam mo nang may God... pero based on what? Walang evidence di ba? Basta alam mo lang? Gut feelings mo lang kumbaga. Yan ang mahirap. Hindi porke "alam" mo na may God ay totong may God nga. Halimbawa, bigyan kita ng situasyon. Kunwari alam kong may God na mas mataas pa kay God based on my gut feeling, ibig sabihin ba ay totoo ito? Malamang hindi, di ba? Pero kung iisipin mo, posible yun, parang tao, merong chain of command. Eh bakit sa isang God lang mag-e-end? Malay mo may God pa si God di ba? Pero gut feeling lang yun ha, katulad sa iyo.

The God that Christian is referring to is the God that creator of everyting, meaning the sole source of everything then hindi na pweding sabihin mo pang  meron pang mas higit pa sa kanya, kung sino man yon eh yon ang tinutukoy ng mga Christiano.

We both know there are truths which are beyond the power of reason to demonstrate, but that doesn't mean it's irrational(against reason). Ang tawag dyan Supra rational (above reason), meaning may mga bagay talaga na hindi kayang  I explain ng tao because of his limited minds but that doesn't mean there aren't thing beyond what he can know. The problem is on the side of the rationalist or atheist because they claimed anything beyond science lang ang kanilang paniwalaan, eh ang daming bagay na until now hindi ma prove nang science at pilit pa rin nilang pinanghahawakan.hmmpppp…

Sinabi mo, "Children of communist countries were brain-washed.". Eh naku mahirap yan pre, kasi yung vice versa could be said as well "Children of religious countries were brain-washed." Siyempre, sasabihin mo yung statement mo ang tama. Pero ang sasabihin naman ng nakatira sa communist country eh yung statement niya ang tama. Kung magpakita lang sana si God ngayon din ora mismo at wala nang paligoy ligoy pa at excuse katulad ng padaan-daan sa bibliyang mga tao lang din ang may akda (and hence still not a proof of his existence), eh di nalaman na sana natin kung aling statement ang mas tama.

Matagal ng nagpakita si God at nagiging kasama pa natin at nag iwan ng magagabayan natin tulad ng scriptures and the Church that he founded, ang problema ilang taon na nilang pilit sirain ang cridibilidad ng Biblia till now nanatili pa rin itong matatag, No books that have same credibility that the Bible had. By the way, speaking of hindi paniwalaan kasi sulat lang ng tao, then huwag na tayong mag aral, huwag na tayong magbasa ng mga standard reference or textbook from school, they were all written by humans di ba? Pero hindi ganun eh, pinaniniwalaan natin ang mga iyon dahil sa credibilidad ng nagsulat. We believe them because of their expertise on their fields.

[nobagger]

The God that Christian is referring to is the God that creator of everyting, meaning the sole source of everything then hindi na pweding sabihin mo pang  meron pang mas higit pa sa kanya, kung sino man yon eh yon ang tinutukoy ng mga Christiano.

We both know there are truths which are beyond the power of reason to demonstrate, but that doesn't mean it's irrational(against reason). Ang tawag dyan Supra rational (above reason), meaning may mga bagay talaga na hindi kayang  I explain ng tao because of his limited minds but that doesn't mean there aren't thing beyond what he can know. The problem is on the side of the rationalist or atheist because they claimed anything beyond science lang ang kanilang paniwalaan, eh ang daming bagay na until now hindi ma prove nang science at pilit pa rin nilang pinanghahawakan.hmmpppp…

Matagal ng nagpakita si God at nagiging kasama pa natin at nag iwan ng magagabayan natin tulad ng scriptures and the Church that he founded, ang problema ilang taon na nilang pilit sirain ang cridibilidad ng Biblia till now nanatili pa rin itong matatag, No books that have same credibility that the Bible had. By the way, speaking of hindi paniwalaan kasi sulat lang ng tao, then huwag na tayong mag aral, huwag na tayong magbasa ng mga standard reference or textbook from school, they were all written by humans di ba? Pero hindi ganun eh, pinaniniwalaan natin ang mga iyon dahil sa credibilidad ng nagsulat. We believe them because of their expertise on their fields.

*rolls eyes* na lang ako.
Post Merge: Jul 13, 2012, 01:19 AMTanong po sa mga religious o believers.. kunwari merong atheist group. Tapos etong mga miyembro ng atheist group na ito eh nagrerecruit ng mga tao pero walang kamalay-malay yung mga tao na naging miyembro pala sila. Sa sobrang galing ng mga atheists na ito ay na-i-sign up nila ang mga tao sa kanilang grupo na hindi nalalaman ng mga taong yun. Nung nalaman nila, huli na ang lahat at na-i-sign up na sila.

Tanong: Kung isa kayo sa mga taong iyon na na-i-sign up sa grupo nila pero wala kayong kamalay-malay, magagalit ba kayo sa atheist group na ito?

[Market_Market]

Paano po ba mag resign sa pagiging Katoliko?
Halimbawa, ayoko na kasi maging myembro.
Pwede ba yun?  Nilalagay ko kasi sa "Religion" pag me fill-up ako is "N/A".

[stockbreaker]

God does not control all human beings.  God gave man the gift of free will. it is being taught in catholic schools ever since.

Did I said that God controls our actions, emotions, decisions, life in general? I guess you might have misunderstood my statement. 

[akoni]

*rolls eyes* na lang ako.
Post Merge: Jul 13, 2012, 01:19 AMTanong po sa mga religious o believers.. kunwari merong atheist group. Tapos etong mga miyembro ng atheist group na ito eh nagrerecruit ng mga tao pero walang kamalay-malay yung mga tao na naging miyembro pala sila. Sa sobrang galing ng mga atheists na ito ay na-i-sign up nila ang mga tao sa kanilang grupo na hindi nalalaman ng mga taong yun. Nung nalaman nila, huli na ang lahat at na-i-sign up na sila.

Tanong: Kung isa kayo sa mga taong iyon na na-i-sign up sa grupo nila pero wala kayong kamalay-malay, magagalit ba kayo sa atheist group na ito?

seguro magagalit  kasi malinaw na panloloko ginawa nila but.. not a bigdeal its because Im not professing their beliefs anyway.
Post Merge: Jul 13, 2012, 08:11 AM

Paano po ba mag resign sa pagiging Katoliko?
Halimbawa, ayoko na kasi maging myembro.
Pwede ba yun?  Nilalagay ko kasi sa "Religion" pag me fill-up ako is "N/A".

Walang paper resignation, pwedi kang tumalon anytime kung ayaw mo na, walang pilitan sa Katoliko, pwedi ka rin bumalik anytime, just do confession to a priest.