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Offline Incredible

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« Reply #120 on: Jul 02, 2012, 12:07 AM »
There you have it folks. So hindi para sa lahat ang MLM  ha. Some will succeed and most will fail. Because they already got what they want from you.

You can be financially free even if you are just an employee. Its just a matter of discipline. Making more money dont guarantee you will be rich. Its what you keep and what you do with it will make or break you.

Post Merge: Jul 01, 2012, 11:06 PM
I have a friend who is attracted also to MLM. Everytime na magkikita kami ibat ibang MLM company ang iniintroduce nya. When i ask him what happened to the old company, wala na daw. Kesyo mas maganda daw tong bago.

Kesyo ok ung team na nasalihan nya.

A good business is selling products or services that meets the demands of other peoples needs. The product or services can or should sustain the growth of the business.

 And the distributor should earn profits through the sale of the products or services. And the company should create a demand for the product and not just by simply pushing it down on other peoples throat.

Again, you are talking on your own opinion without personal experience and just watching others...

You are just like a fans club in a basketball game... You loved to watch the ball game... Why don't you play for you to feel what is AIM Global...

Yung sa sinabi mong "hindi para sa lahat ang MLM" eh kasi nga "takot sumubok" baka kasi ikamatay nila yung 7,980 pesos... hahahaha... Joke... Saka di mo naintindihan sinabi ko... Sabi ko "Given na ang System... They just need to do the right things right to succeed in the business... Di mo pa rin maintindihan?

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« Reply #121 on: Jul 02, 2012, 12:31 AM »
yeah right. sana ganyan din ung sabihin nyo sa mga irerecruit nyo.

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« Reply #122 on: Jul 02, 2012, 12:56 AM »
I think you dont need to really experience failure  for you to really say na it didn't work or its not for you. At the first place, one has to know his strength, kung kaya  ba gawin ito o hindi....what's the point of learning other people's experiences if you need to experience it first hand??? we share to learn from the success and failures of others....Kaya nga hingi tayo ng advices from gurus, experts, professional to give us guidance, now its up for the individual to decide if he will dive in or not. If you ask me, nakasali na ako ng 3 MLM companies and for me it didnt work... Why??? if you try to examine the products of this companies- must of them are food supplements or products that we really don't need or we can live without. They are  expensive. Most of the advertisements uses testimonials, kesyo gumaling ako, nawala ang sakit, maginhawa ang pakiramdam,or before and after scenario, but the thing, are these claims substantiated with facts and studies??? a big NO, and you ask why...if you are aware of all drugs and substances that is taken internally or has external application,it maybe foods or drugs should register with the BFAD. How about this CURE ALL PRODUCTS? they are registered as food supplements and as such they are not required to submit medical studies for the effectiveness,side effects,and etc of the product. Being a food supplement,one can't claim for cure all efficacy of the product. Hence they rely on the testimony of the user to claim  the effectiveness of the product. Be whatever the user claim, the MLM company that sells them is not held liable for claiming anything coz in writing, you can only read that they are selling a food supplement with no medicinal claim...henceforth, the burden of proof lies on the person who gives the testimony, so, if someone claims so and so, how can someone really verify the truthfullness of that claim? no one!....then they encourage you to take it for yourself and you know it doesn't really work but you claim it works coz you are selling the products and recruiting new dealers.  Now you are not truthful because you are blinded by the greed of earning more money. Then, this practice goes  on and on with the new recruites....for me, this is not a good practice!!! in reality,  why not buy Centrum or real vitamins that is well known and less expensive compared to MLM products??? why not buy Colgate toothpaste instead of the expensive toothpaste?, why not buy TIDE laundry soap instead of their expensive soap? The list goes on and on....why are they expensive in the first place? simply because you are paying the people in the MLM pyramid (generation and generations of uplines) One conclusion, its good if you are one of the first upliners to start the MLM....if your in the bottom of the pyramid...you have a lesser chance to succeed in the business....
« Last Edit: Jul 02, 2012, 01:05 AM by happzz »

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« Reply #123 on: Jul 02, 2012, 01:04 AM »
^ agree!

kung alam mo nang mapapaso ka, kailangan mo pa bang hawakan (ma-experience) para malaman mong mainit at mapapaso ka.

sometimes it only takes a simple logic for you to arrive at a conclusion.

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« Reply #124 on: Jul 02, 2012, 01:04 AM »
I think you dont need to really experience failure  for you to really say na it didn't work or its not for you. At the first place, one has to know his strength, kung kaya  ba gawin ito o hindi....what's the point of learning other people's experiences if you need to experience it first hand??? we share to learn from the success and failures of others....Kaya nga hingi tayo ng advices from gurus, experts, professional to give us guidance, now its up for the individual to decide if he will dive in or not. If you ask me, nakasali na ako ng 3 MLM companies and for me it didnt work... Why??? if you try to examine the products of this companies- must of them are food supplements or products that we really don't need or we can live without. They are  expensive. Most of the advertisements uses testimonials, kesyo gumaling ako, nawala ang sakit, maginhawa ang pakiramdam,or before and after scenario, but the thing, are these claims substantiated with facts and studies??? a big NO, and you ask why...if you are aware of all drugs and substances that is taken internally or has external application,it maybe foods or drugs should register with the BFAD. How about this CURE ALL PRODUCTS? they are registered as food supplements and as such they are not required to submit medical studies for the effectiveness,side effects,and etc of the product. Being a food supplement,one can't claim for cure all efficacy of the product. Hence they rely on the testomony of the user to claim  the effectiveness of the product.Be whatever the user claim,the MLM company that sells them is not held liable for claiming anything coz in writing, you can only read that they are selling a food supplement with no medicinal claim...henceforth, the burden of proof lies on the person who gives the testimony, so, if someone claims so and so, how can someone really verify the truthfullness of that claim? NO  one....then they encourage you to take it for yourself and you know it doesn't really work but you claim it works coz you are selling the products and recruiting new dealers.  Now you are not truthful because you are blinded by the greed of earning more money. Then, this practice goes  on and on with the new recruites....for me, this is not a good practice!!! in reality, talking about food supplements, Why not buy Centrum or real vitamins that isnwell known and less expensive compared to MLM products??? Why not buy Colgate toothpaste instead of the expensive toothpaste, why not buy TIDE laundry soap instead of their expensive soap? The list goes on and on....Why are they expensive in the first place? simply because you are paying the people in the MLM pyramid-generation and generations of uplines! One conclusion, its good if you are one of the first upliners to start the MLM....if your in the bottom of the pyramid...you have a lesser chance to succeed in the business....

Why did you fail?

Post Merge: Jul 02, 2012, 01:10 AM
^ agree!

kung alam mo nang mapapaso ka, kailangan mo pa bang hawakan (ma-experience) para malaman mong mainit at mapapaso ka.

sometimes it only takes a simple logic for you to arrive at a conclusion.

Kasi negative ang mind set,,, If you are going to look for a negative you always get a negative,,, why don't you try to look for the Positive side... huh... 600 plus Millionaires in 6 years... How can you not do that? Simply because afraid of failure and rejections... Doubt, because lack of learning... Why don't you study first then prove that it is wrong... Hearsay,,, lots of hearsay... So, I think you are a very successful employee now,,,
« Last Edit: Jul 02, 2012, 01:10 AM by Incredible »

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« Reply #125 on: Jul 02, 2012, 01:15 AM »
I stopped because as i climb the ladder of the dealership, i end up adding more capital to the business. Like kung simple dealer ka lang, you need 5,000 to start. then maging supervisor, then you have to have 25,000 for inventory, then manager 150,000, then area manager 500,000. Parang may pattern yata!!! so yung mga bonus mo at kung ano anong perks, it ends up na napupunta sa product, ang winner ngayon? ang MLM company...

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« Reply #126 on: Jul 02, 2012, 01:19 AM »
I stopped because as i climb the ladder of the dealership, i end up adding more capital to the business. Like kung simple dealer ka lang, you need 5,000 to start. then maging supervisor, then you have to have 25,000 for inventory, then manager 150,000, then area manager 500,000. Parang may pattern yata!!! so yung mga bonus mo at kung ano anong perks, it ends up na napupunta sa product, ang winner ngayon? ang MLM company...


Lesson learned.... Not all MLM have the same Marketing Plan... Try to look at Alliance in Motion Global's marketing plan... That's very far from what's your previous MLM Company...

What about the other two MLM company? What happened? Why you also failed?
« Last Edit: Jul 02, 2012, 01:21 AM by Incredible »

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« Reply #127 on: Jul 02, 2012, 01:26 AM »
600 plus millionaires..ok.... ilan tao ang kailangan mo marecruit for you to earn a million in your company?

then those same number of people....those people...what have come of them?  specially ung nasa bottom?

in ratio to those 600++ Millionaires.....gaano kadaming tao naman kaya ung hindi naging millionaire?

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« Reply #128 on: Jul 02, 2012, 01:27 AM »
In my observation, the 600 millionaires you are talking about is questionable??? Maybe they are millionaires in the first place bago sila nagjoin??? isipin mo nman, as you climb the ladder of delearship, you add up more money, so eventually, millions na talaga ang pag uusapan natin!!!


Post Merge: Jul 02, 2012, 01:45 AM
Whatever it is, MLM companies are of the same principle, PYRAMIDING....just like the other two MLM that i joined, pareho lang...1-a product needs to be consume by u and sell to others, if u decided to b just a user, then atlst the MLM company still have u as a consumer. 2-you recruite new members to be your downline, from your downline your earn a percentage of residual income,3- nurture your downlines because if everybody in your downline fails, you fail....4-You have to keep on recruiting or atlest give testimonies that you are a success and a millionaire doing the MLM...(come to think of it!!! real millionaires don't flaunt their wealth or atlest claim in public that they are!!! May narinig ka ba kay Henry Sy na nagsasabing bilyonaryo siya??? o may kakilala kaba na mahilig magyabang na he is a millionaire??? diba kadalasan ang mayayabang ay di totoo!!! puro pala otang???  ang totoong mayaman ay tahimik laang....)

Post Merge: Jul 02, 2012, 02:09 AM
I think there is nothing wrong being an employee....steady and consitent income-100% all the time.  MLM, yes you might succeed, but only 1% will succeed....see the difference!
« Last Edit: Jul 02, 2012, 02:09 AM by happzz »

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« Reply #129 on: Jul 02, 2012, 07:29 AM »
"Di mo na kailangan tikman ang panis na pagkain pag nakita mo na kulay berde at bumubula na"

You don't have to undergo what the first people who tried it, survived and lived to tell about it just to make your case. Otherwise we should not bother write it down and tell it to others to serve as guide or warning perhaps.

I'm not saying MLM is evil but it is really doomed to fail as many time history told. You just have to remember the law of conservation. Nothing is created or destroyed. In order to earn money other must lose money just like in MLM, If you want to get P8000 richer one person (downlines) must get P 8000 poorer and convince with all your muster the one who got poorer because of you. S/he must recruit in order for him to get P8000 richer. As like law of finite resources, it will reach a saturation point where all possible recruiters are no longer be found thus, the doom of the downlines and the company itself.

Preaching all will become millionaire who joined a MLM or your MLM is complete fallacy. Because money is not created nor destroyed.
« Last Edit: Jul 02, 2012, 07:56 AM by nanashi »

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« Reply #130 on: Jul 02, 2012, 07:50 AM »
In my observation, the 600 millionaires you are talking about is questionable??? Maybe they are millionaires in the first place bago sila nagjoin??? isipin mo nman, as you climb the ladder of delearship, you add up more money, so eventually, millions na talaga ang pag uusapan natin!!!


Post Merge: Jul 02, 2012, 01:45 AM
Whatever it is, MLM companies are of the same principle, PYRAMIDING....just like the other two MLM that i joined, pareho lang...1-a product needs to be consume by u and sell to others, if u decided to b just a user, then atlst the MLM company still have u as a consumer. 2-you recruite new members to be your downline, from your downline your earn a percentage of residual income,3- nurture your downlines because if everybody in your downline fails, you fail....4-You have to keep on recruiting or atlest give testimonies that you are a success and a millionaire doing the MLM...(come to think of it!!! real millionaires don't flaunt their wealth or atlest claim in public that they are!!! May narinig ka ba kay Henry Sy na nagsasabing bilyonaryo siya??? o may kakilala kaba na mahilig magyabang na he is a millionaire??? diba kadalasan ang mayayabang ay di totoo!!! puro pala otang???  ang totoong mayaman ay tahimik laang....)

Post Merge: Jul 02, 2012, 02:09 AM
I think there is nothing wrong being an employee....steady and consitent income-100% all the time.  MLM, yes you might succeed, but only 1% will succeed....see the difference!

Look at this,,, eat your word... You said "real millionaires don't flaunt their wealth or atlest claim in public that they are!!! May narinig ka ba kay Henry Sy na nagsasabing bilyonaryo siya???"

"Henry Sy, 87, remains the richest person in the Philippines with a net worth of $9.1 billion, up $1.9 billion from a year ago, according to Forbes."

http://business.inquirer.net/66563/henry-sy-still-tops-forbes-2012-list-of-ph%E2%80%99s-40-richest

Wow... I can't imagine why you didn't knew it....

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« Reply #131 on: Jul 02, 2012, 09:27 AM »
^Because he is a biliionaire! hhahaahha

Speaking of MLM flaunting their earnings...
Sa facebook newsfeed ko, I saw this girl inthis MLM who is one of the top performer apparently,and she did it again. Kudos to her! This time she has a picture with her new SUV. As I read through the comments, installment pala! May nagcomment din, na "ayy,,,installment pala", and meron din nagcomment to this effect: "Dati ni-instalment di kaya, but now kaya na!"

Sa lahat ng pic na nakikita ko,ibang klaseng magflaunt ng wealth ang mga taga MLM. The "best" is yun pera ginagawa nilang "pamaypay" at "floor carpet" na nakakalat sa sahig at mga cheke na nakaalign na parang pasilip ng baraha sa pusoy dos hehehe
« Last Edit: Jul 02, 2012, 09:35 AM by GoodSteward »

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« Reply #132 on: Jul 02, 2012, 09:43 AM »
^Because he is a biliionaire! hhahaahha

Ok yun sales pitch ni Incredible a, maybe I can try but not under you? ANd use your same salespitch and compete with you? (Don't haveto take it seriously)hehehe

Speaking of MLM flaunting their earnings...
Sa facebook newsfeed ko, I saw this girl inthis MLM who is one of the top performer apparently,and she did it again. Kudos to her! This time she has a picture with her new SUV. As I read through the comments, installment pala! May nagcomment din, na "ayy,,,installment pala", and meron din nagcomment to this effect: "Dati ni-instalment di kaya, but now kaya na!"

Sa lahat ng pic na nakikita ko,ibang klaseng magflaunt ng wealth ang mga taga MLM. The "best" is yun pera ginagawa nilang "pamaypay" at "floor carpet" na nakakalat sa sahig at mga cheke na nakaalign na parang pasilip ng baraha sa pusoy dos hehehe

Thanks for opening your mind...

Different people have different minds... That's their way... That is why, the system is given.... It should be done the right things right...

The one who is reading will decide for it... You decide....

But, how can one decide if he/she is not knowledgeable in the subject matter?

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« Reply #133 on: Jul 02, 2012, 10:13 AM »
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ok po talaga ang Royale Business Club.
Visit us at Quezon Ave.
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« Reply #134 on: Jul 02, 2012, 10:19 AM »
Every mlm person I know, when they're recruiting, always shows off their new car, new watch, money that they made, etc.  Meron nga isa, she was recruiting a friend, she showed off her new BMW to convince our common friend.  Nung narecruit na, wala na yung BMW.  She returned it daw cuz di niya daw type.

One of the top of the 'pyramid' of Amway is a friend of mine.  They presented in entire function rooms.  Recruited hundreds.  Now, they are living the life...traveling free courtesy of Amway.  They have a new SUV.  But are they richer cash wise?...not really.


 

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