[pocoyo]

thanks for the posts guys... i really appreciate your comments... muntik na kc ako sumali sa CA2020... hay pagnagkataon... sayang na naman ang pera... sa totoo lang sawang-sawa na ko sa networking, wala lang ata tlaga akong swerte or di ko lang tlaga sya linya - flp, first quadrant, win, herbalife, real wheat, etc etc... sa sobrang dame di ko na maalala. Isa lang ung na-maintain ko because of the quality of their products, its amway. I am a salesman, and I am still a great believer of direct-selling and/or business service business

[rzc24arcel]

The complete lowdown and process of ca2020 - from what happens when you finish all the courses to how they earn their money (source: thedailyeye-rebel.blogspot.com):

Have you been invited or are you being invited by any member of a so-called community named "Create Abundance 2020" or "CA2020" for short? They say that they would like to make the Philippines a "First World Country" by making Filipino "multimillionaires".


If  you are not aware, here is a brief introduction to this community.


CA2020 Free Wealth Courses
They have 3 "free" wealth courses in which you have to finish a task to be able to attend the next module.
Their first module "Awareness". They make you aware of what the future holds for you with your current situation. But for this module I think the concept of "Money Jar" stand out. It did help me manage my money more efficiently.

Money Jar as Money Management
Necessity - 50%
FFA (for Investment) - 20%
LTS (Lifetime Savings) - 10%
Education - 10%
Play - 5%
Give - 5%

To be able for Mr. Wings to attend the second module "Unlearning", he have to invite 2 people to attend Module 1 and 101 ways on how he can be get Php1,000,000.00 in a week. This can include logica/illogical or legal or illegal ways. If he is having second thoughts, he will still be follow-up by this community.  Even if you say "NO", they will still ask you few more times. Now, let us say that Mr. Wings attended this module, he is able to invite 2 of his friends. This lecture is about what is your way of thinking about rich people. How you're thinking is influence by your parents and their previous experiences, media and your surroundings. They will ask you to keep an open-mind during the discussions and to be as honest as possible. The moderator for this lecture was good and got me more interested and intrigue.

Module 3 "Relearning", to be able to attend this module, Mr. Wings have to invite 2 people more to attend module 1 and write 101 reasons why he want to be rich. The reason that he will he be stating will be based on his dreams, ambition and goals. Still, CA2020 will do continuous follow-up on him to finish his 101 reason. Again, the discussion was good and believable. This is the part that he is asked if he will continue or stop. He can say "YES" or "NO".

Wealth Courses are held in the following:

Monday/Tuesday - 3:00~5:00 and 6:00~9:00
Before: Starbucks, Pearl Drive Ortigas Complex, Pasig City
Now: Shangrila, Near the Cinema

Wednesday/Thursday - 3:00~5:00 and 6:00~9:00
Paseo de Roxas Bldg. Makati

Most of what they teach are from Robert Kiyosaki and T. Harv Eker Books. They also quote some entry in the books and tell it to the attendees of the modules.


CA2020 Cash Flow 101 and Cash Flow 202
I was also able to attend the cash flow game of R. Kiyosaki organized by this group. They asked for Php400.00/player or 200/player of group of 3 which is used for the players lunch and rent for the place . I only played once but I have to admit the game was fun and educational. It is something new for me. It was done every Saturday and  Sunday or special events. They usually hold it in "Spicy Fingers" and "Makati Stock Exchange". By the way, Cash Flow 101 Board game made by R. Kiyosaki costs approx. Php15K and we only found 1 in Toy 'r Us at Robinson Galleria.


Start of the Dilemma
Again, let us assume that Mr. Wings said "YES" after module 3, to be able to attend the Module 4,  He have to state 101 reason why he want to be a member of the"Core Team". Also, he have to read "Why We Want You to be Rich" or what they call "3WYTBR" by R. Kiyosaki, CA2020 Power Investing Plan, Do you have what it takes to be rich and Top 10 to do before joining the CA2020 Core Team. Of course, he finished them all, so he was able to attend the next module. Now, during Module 4 another coach gave some questions during the discussion which  the goal is to get his "deeper why". He wrote down on the paper Php1,000~Php50000 denominations and asked mr. Wings to write names of friends that he think will lend  him the money that will have a total of Php100K.  Yes, I repeat Php100K. Then, he was asked to send text messages to this people and see if how many will lend him the money.  This is what they call "NT" or "Network Test".

What is the money for?
This is the fun part, most of the people who attended the wealth courses were fueled by their curiosity. Why? because if you talked to a coach and he said that "I did not experience employment, after graduation I found this community and joined. Now, I am earning passive income.". Who would not want that kind of life, or who would not want to earn passive income? So you start to ask how can they do that, what are their businesses? They will say that if you are not a member of the core team, it is a secret. They will tell you that "if   this secret/system  is broadcast to the public then many would like to join, anyone can join. Here are some more lines that you might hear:

1. Have we sold anything to you?
2. Big Business owner do leverage on "Other peoples time (OPT), "Other people money(OPM)", "Other people resources(OPR)", "Other Peoples skill(OPT)", etc.
3. Imagine through if there is 150 members in the community and each member net worth is 1,000,000, you have 150,000,000 total net worth.
4. Answers will be given one step at a time

Now, I think it is time to answer the question what is the 100K for?

Mr. Wings was able to gather 100K, he have to bring the money and attend the Pre-Panel. What is Pre-panel? Mr. Wings will be given a "application form" (but they call it a contract) of NU Skin Enterprises (NSE).  NSE is a legal and good company (you can check their site if you like). Yes, it as you think, the 100K that you leverage with other people will be used to buy NSE starter kits. Normal process, to be a distributor you can spend 12,600 or 21K++ and they are point basis, CA2020 is no exception.

How to return your 100K?
Mr. Wings is not familiar with this company, that it is a kind of network marketing. He gave the 100K and buy the kits. To return his 100K, he is shown the "compensation plan", but to make it short you have to, as to what their term is "invite" 4 people who will join the core team and spend 100K. This is what CA2020 call "Innovative Franchising". It is their "First step" to earn passive income. To increase Mr. Wings passive income through network marketing he and his other invites must invite more people who are willing (sort of).


They say, they have other source of income, that NSE is only 5% of the whole picture. They will say "We are looking for leaders", or in network marketing term "downline". They will also differentiate "downline" from "leaders",  they say leaders because they train you how to talk and express your self, "to prepare you to be an entrepreneur". Well, they do provide leadership trainings which include their free wealth course. Furthermore, they say to a new core team member, "all you have to do is invite, we will do the rest". "The rest" means the community will "convert" your invites so they might join the community.


For my points of view,


a. Nothing should be kept especially if it involves that amount of money.
b. It is like that the dreams, goals or ambition of the person attending the wealth course is being used
    as ammunition for hypnotizing these person.
c. Since the person joining the core team is entrusting their dreams to the community, everything
    should be open or cleared.
d. Do not call people "LOSERS" just because they quit. It is said that personal growth is developed in
    this community but this behavior does not show it.
e. If you are not prepared to do their system, STOP now, cause it will be a lot harder getting out
   and it is hard to return the 100K.




I wrote this blog so that people who are searching about CA2020 will be able to see what they are getting in to especially if details are being kept from them. I am not saying that they are a scam or not a scam. The judgement to this will still be from the person who is going to enter this community. For those who will be or planning to join, please do proceed with caution, Do not let your curiosity get the best of you. Remember that "curiosity kills the cat".

The most objective post that I read so far about ca2020. Thanks for showing two sides of the coin. Grace and peace!
Post Merge: Nov 27, 2011, 11:27 AM

  sir Bizsolutionsph for enlightening us

It made me wonder why you had taken the pain of explaining things here. Where are those members  

There might be hiding something to cover up

Or they might be thinking na sayang lang ang oras...
Post Merge: Nov 27, 2011, 11:53 AM

It's quite some time since I read about my own thread and I was smiling while reading the different replies regarding my post. 

Well I would like to comment to some questions raised and comments:

I guess we have established that CA2020 is under the MLM NU Skin, therefore if you join them you'll be a retailer of NU Skin (w/c from what I heard the product is not so bad at all, but the cost is way to pricey!) As an aspiring Cosmetic Sx I should check that out.

First Comment ko is about the 100k na investment sa CA2020.  From what I heard if you want to join NU Skin MLM you just have to shell out the 12k or 25k PHP directily to them and you'll have the kit plus member ka na.  So in short if I join CA2020 (which will link me to NU Skin eventually) what will happen to my 80k-75k PHP additional investment??? I don't suppose that is my payment for all the modules that I have attended, the time the coaches spend on training or giving financial literacy and the xerox copy that I have filled out! For me 100,000.00 PHP for an MLM and Beauty products is way to freaking expensive.  Unless puro Channel yung brand nila or may free rhinoplasty, blepharoplasty or botoux injection yan.

Second Comment, w/ regards to the cashflow game of the CA2020 I have attended there games 3 times and not ones they told me the essence of the cashflow 101 game.  I just found out when I bought my own board game.  The real essence of playing CASHFLOW 101 By R. Kiyosaki is not knowing were to invest, or how to buy real estate or stock but how to read the financial statement and balance sheet.  Basically how to work on the numbers and tip the balance to create a high enough passive income on that Financial statement.  So Basically I was mis-informed and I spend 1200php just to be misinformed. I remember one game the coach or moderator of our game didn't told us to change our expense column when we loaned on the bank.  Well if they are screening or filtering there core team or coaches they're not doing such a great job.  Also they have there own set of rules on the game.

3rd Comment be proud of your product if you have any.  Don't keep it a secret. Don't act like you're some kind of a secret society that divulged your true intentions to the member of the group.   Well unless you have a deeper purpose aside from teaching. 


Posted on: Jan 01, 2010, 10:31 PM
I would like to comment on this by exposethefake.  Honestly I heard from other people who quit the CA2020 that they are being bombarded in there email with negative messages.  Either they say "quitter ka" or "hindi ka yayaman sa attitude na yan" or "hopeless case" etcetera etcetera.  So since I think piameg you're a core member of the group do you really do such a thing???

If YES why do you do it?
If NO why do people who came inside CA2020 say you do it?

Curious lang naman. 

Isa ako sa nag-quit sa ca2020 but I never receive even a single negative email. For 2 years of staying in ca2020, I never met people described by ca2020-haters. I never regretted investing 100k for I received more than that...sale, products, connection, at higit sa lahat mindset...I would never appreciate financial literacy, wellness industry, business, and investing without ca2020...kung nagquit man ako, it's due to personal reason...hope to see them in the finals... 

[IluvNuSkin]

Clarification.

CA2020 is, as far as Nu Skin is concerned, a distributor group created by Marsel & Rovel Tomambo. It is not synonymous with Nu Skin - actually, around 80% or more of Nu Skin's distributors, including the overwhelming majority of those who have earned over a million pesos are not affiliated with CA2020.

What they do is NOT endorsed by Nu Skin Enterprises. NSE has a stated policy in line with current law that prohibits frontloading (buying products to maintain your Executive status or buying more than what you can dispose of).

A person can sign up for Nu Skin in several different ways. Just check their website for the options.

In a nutshell:

You can buy the business portfolio and sign up for P 1,250.00.

You can buy AT LEAST P5,000.00 (distributor's price) worth of products (or 8k at retail price) and sign up for free - you're just buying the products. the portfolio and sign-up are free.

Buy one of the Fast-Start Packages (P21,500), the best, in my opinion, being the ageLOC Galvanic Spa kit, and sign up for free. Unique kasi gadget, hindi consumable products lang.

There are other product packages: visit nuskin.com and choose the Philippines link.

The Distributor Agreement Form of Nu Skin actually contains the first 2 options - READ THE FINE PRINT BEFORE SIGNING ANYTHING!

[george88]

Clarification.

CA2020 is, as far as Nu Skin is concerned, a distributor group created by Marsel & Rovel Tomambo. It is not synonymous with Nu Skin - actually, around 80% or more of Nu Skin's distributors, including the overwhelming majority of those who have earned over a million pesos are not affiliated with CA2020.

What they do is NOT endorsed by Nu Skin Enterprises. NSE has a stated policy in line with current law that prohibits frontloading (buying products to maintain your Executive status or buying more than what you can dispose of).

A person can sign up for Nu Skin in several different ways. Just check their website for the options.

In a nutshell:

You can buy the business portfolio and sign up for P 1,250.00.

You can buy AT LEAST P5,000.00 (distributor's price) worth of products (or 8k at retail price) and sign up for free - you're just buying the products. the portfolio and sign-up are free.

Buy one of the Fast-Start Packages (P21,500), the best, in my opinion, being the ageLOC Galvanic Spa kit, and sign up for free. Unique kasi gadget, hindi consumable products lang.

There are other product packages: visit nuskin.com and choose the Philippines link.

The Distributor Agreement Form of Nu Skin actually contains the first 2 options - READ THE FINE PRINT BEFORE SIGNING ANYTHING!

NU Skin is Good. We are nothing against NU SKIN. There's a lot of great and professional leaders in NU SKIN

[ferrariEverest]

Clarification.

some people here are aware of that.
regardless, thank you for clarifying.

ang gusto ko bilhin sa NuSkin ay yung biophotonic scanner.
magkano po yun? (retail & member price)
u can PM me.
thanks

[allanmm13]

Clarification.

CA2020 is, as far as Nu Skin is concerned, a distributor group created by Marsel & Rovel Tomambo. It is not synonymous with Nu Skin - actually, around 80% or more of Nu Skin's distributors, including the overwhelming majority of those who have earned over a million pesos are not affiliated with CA2020.

So you mean to say approx. 20% are paying 100K sa CA2020 just to entry NuSkin?

[Market_Market]

I cannot access their website anymore...same problem with everyone?

http://www.ca2020.net/

www.iloveabundance.com
Post Merge: Jun 26, 2012, 11:13 PMI found it!

http://iloveabundance.org/

[bittersweetchic]

The founder created another group called "Creating Abundance in Real Estate Network" or CARENET. Is this a legitimate group? They are now selling real estate properties from different developers. I'm just worried that something is not right here coz this group is created by the CA2020 mastermind. Could you share more info about this group and their dealings? Thanks.

[joshlegaspi]

ano latest sa kanila?

Buhay/Active pa ba ito?

I had a personal experience with this group, muntikan na ako!

[bittersweetchic]

I bumped into a former colleague, she is now a real estate agent selling condo properties from reputable developers naman.  i just found out that she is a member of this CARENET group which is under CA2020.  I even referred a friend to her.  i'm just worried that there might be something fishy on their dealings bcoz she's under ca2020 which i dont trust.  

Before I knew that this colleague is under ca2020, nag kwentuhan pa kami.  nagulat pa sya that an ordinary employee can earn up to 6 digits a month.  naisip ko tuloy, ang turo ba sa kanila ng ca2020, walang yumayaman sa pagiging empleyado?  pwede din actually mag sideline as real estate agent ang empleyado.  so doble kita.

anyway, i told my friend about ca2020.  and warn my friend not to say anything negative about this group.  i told my friend "sila yung tipong ipaglalaban ang kulto nila ng patayan, hahaha..."  that's my exact words to my friends, but ofcourse i dont mean it literally.  gets na ng friend ko what i mean.

[george88]

bagong scheme na naman ng founder yan carenet hehe

[joshlegaspi]

May pagkakulto nga naman talaga sila based sa experience ko sa kanila.  lol

[Market_Market]

Before I knew that this colleague is under ca2020, nag kwentuhan pa kami.  nagulat pa sya that an ordinary employee can earn up to 6 digits a month.  naisip ko tuloy, ang turo ba sa kanila ng ca2020, walang yumayaman sa pagiging empleyado?  pwede din actually mag sideline as real estate agent ang empleyado.  so doble kita.

Natawa naman ako dito.    Baka new grad siya or d siya "gala".
Ako din ganyan magisip dati, na pag sa Pilipinas mga 50k lang sahod na pinakamataas para sa normal na empleyado.  Ngaun sa office namin (mga 100 na tao sa floor), 15-20 dun 6-digit sahod. Yung iba less than 1 year sa company (ako more than 5 hahaha).  Depende sa roles kasi, hindi sila mga managers, mga programmers sila or tech guys handling servers.

[hannya]

Now I'm afraid to invest in real estate, baka ma-CareNet pa ako  Mabuti nang sigurado, dapat developer na agad ang kausap pagdating sa payment schemes.